DET picks XP, Lenovo for 200k netbooks

update The NSW Department of Education and Training has picked Microsoft Windows XP and Office software and Lenovo hardware to run on its impending roll-out of 200,000 student netbooks funded through Kevin Rudd's Digital Education Revolution, leaving the Linux alternative out in the cold.

DET chief information officer Stephen Wilson said in a statement today that Microsoft's solution was "closely aligned with the New South Wales Government's digital education priorities". A Lenovo spokesperson confirmed the vendor had won the hardware component of the deal.

"We've also found Microsoft's platform to be ideal for learning and development and are confident that it is the best platform to accompany our children through today's education system," said Wilson.

Wilson said he was "pleased with Microsoft's innovative and flexible approach to software licensing and support".

The deal brings Microsoft's Windows XP licence count to 390,000 with the department.

Wilson hinted that Windows would be a logical decision for the department when he told ZDNet.com.au last month that DET was "happy with XP and the environment we have got" in relation to its existing desktops. He also said DET would hire an additional 471 staff to support the student netbooks.

"It's a huge change management issue for us if we change operating systems, so we don't take it lightly," he said. The story was different for Windows 7, however: Wilson said DET was "considering" Microsoft's incoming platform.

The laptop is set to be rolled out in July this year, just months before Microsoft has been tipped to release Windows 7. And according to Microsoft, DET intends to adopt and upgrade to Windows 7.

Microsoft said Windows 7 would address direct access, wireless capabilities, improved battery life, system management and an application locker to minimise unauthorised downloads.

DET's "uncrackable" filters will also be applied to the netbooks. For them to operate, students must sign in to DET's filtered environment. Wilson said DET may apply a time-based filtering policy to the netbooks, which would allow them to access the internet under a relaxed version of the filter. Currently students are unable to access YouTube and any site that has not been categorised by DET.

Microsoft products already included in DET's volume licensing agreement includes a Windows Vista enterprise upgrade, which Wilson had said he "didn't see any compelling reason to move forward" on. Other products students will have access to include Microsoft Office, Enterprise 2007 — with OneNote & Groove — and Microsoft Office for Mac Professional Edition, Microsoft Enterprise CAL Suite, Microsoft Forefront, Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack, Expression Web, and Visual Studio Pro.

Besides Microsoft Windows and Office software, DET has negotiated a software package that includes coveted and costly Adobe creative software such as Flash CS4 Professional, Photoshop Elements, and Dreamweaver CS4 amongst others.

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Talkback 46 comments

    Same old, same old Anonymous -- 01/04/09

    Windows XP. Could be a safe bet, could be a backward step. In terms of a "Digital Education Revolution", we aren't talking about much change installing a 6 year old OS.

    But in terms of teacher's ability to manage the platform, it's probably more likely with this than Linux.

    I look forward to actually seeing this "custom" device that is supposed to last 4 years in a high school student's schoolbag.

    Viva la Revolucion!

    Ancient OS Ancient CIO Anonymous -- 02/04/09 (in reply to #320127438)

    "installing a 6 year old OS."

    Try 8 years !

    im in yr 9, wwwwooooooo! Anonymous -- 29/07/09 (in reply to #320127719)

    and by the time we're in yr 12 it would be 12 years old....... BUT

    my teacher showed us hers yesterday and it had windows 7! so im actually pretty syked to get mine now

    and she also told us when we take it home there are no restrictions on the internet as it is ours... not very smart because it will make it a whole lot easier to crack DET's defences and filters from home

    OS Anonymous -- 03/08/09 (in reply to #320127438)

    They are all gonna be running windows seven with the latest software which is needed. They are efficient and secure in what they do! We have worked with the trail program at our school and stand to say that they really are a gud option!

    The Usual Corrupt Behavior Anonymous -- 01/04/09

    Nothing new here, just government procurement officials maximizing the bribes, kickbacks, and backhanders they feel they are entitled to. Once again, Australian owned suppliers and workers are the losers and foreign government supported companies are chosen for both the hardware and software.

    Don't think the school children are not aware of what this represents and will respond appropriately. I don't think devices they 'do not like' will last long in 'service'.

    Idiot Anonymous -- 01/04/09 (in reply to #320127439)

    Nice comment you tool. Go back to your sheltered workshop.

    No, you are the one that is ignorent Anonymous -- 01/04/09 (in reply to #320127440)

    Do you truly believe that NO Australian owned companies could have supplied either the hardware or software for this procurement? Do you really think the Australian public is so stupid as not to know what is going on? If so, you are in for alot of surprises.

    Aussie Companies Anonymous -- 01/04/09 (in reply to #320127445)

    Care to elaborate on some Australian companies that could possibly provide 200,000 fully functioning systems and have the support structures in place - while still having common enough industry standards so that DET can actually provide support?? If anyone other than Dell, Lenovo or HP and Microsoft won this I'd seriously consider whether DET had any logic in their procurement practices.

    Actually - no! Anonymous -- 01/04/09 (in reply to #320127445)

    If you think there are Australian companies that could have done this - you are seriously deluded. Name a couple...

    Still waiting Anonymous -- 02/04/09 (in reply to #320127455)

    ???

    Stil lwaiting Anonymous -- 04/04/09 (in reply to #320127833)

    ???

    Secure with XP... Not bloody likely! Tim B -- 01/04/09

    These things were meant to be secured to the DET network and unusable without a DET username/password. Now we know they are running XP, there's going to be so many attack vectors it's not funny.

    I'm also appalled at the announcement saying Microsoft's platform is the ideal learning platform... It was only 6 months ago they started adding Open Office to the rollout PCs in an attempt to switch over and cut costs!
    Must have been an interesting price structure that MS gave them for these, because we were almost all expecting Linux, or at least Open Office instead of MS Office.

    Anyway, I can't wait to get my hands on one... Hopefully I get to have a proper play with a spare one, since I won't be getting one officially.

    10 yo "revolution" Peter T. -- 01/04/09

    Choosing XP is akin to a 10 year old, out of date "revolution". There is nothing particularly revolutionary about using such an old OS. Given that I am working my backside off to pay taxes that buy a computer for someone else, I really would have liked to have seen something far more revolutionary. Again, another Rudd dud.

    XP is a solid OS - good choice. Anonymous -- 01/04/09 (in reply to #320127443)

    Do you REALLY fancy running Vista or Windows 7 on a ultraportable with an ATOM processor? I think not. Regardless of age, XP is still viable. Every app that a student or staff member will need is suppored - as are most of the 10 year old plus software packages and every crap piece of shareware software loaded onto the school PCs at the moment.

    Who said Windows? Anonymous -- 02/04/09 (in reply to #320127493)

    I note the original comment only said WinXP was old, not that Vista or Win7 should be the chosen OS...

    Peter T. Peter T. -- 02/04/09 (in reply to #320127493)

    Anonymous, you must have X-ray vision or a mental condition because you are seeing something that is not there. Where is my posting do I refer to W7 or Vista? I didn't!

    BTW, if you want to criticise Vista on a netbook with 1G RAM then why not include Office too. I can hardly begin to wonder how poorly office performs on these baby-computers.

    An OSS OS and applications would have provided a far better alternative. More so, the $23m paid to MS for licences could probably have bought 46,000 more netbooks (assuming a price of about $500ea).

    Peter T. Peter T. -- 02/04/09 (in reply to #320127747)

    I should also have continued and said that the $23m being paid to MS would have bought a LOT of IT jobs! On $100,000 a year (ie say $80,000 salary and $20,000 on-costs) then $23m would have paid for at least 70 additional IT staff on for 3 years on fixed term contracts. This would have been socially responsible especially given the current economic situation. Instead, most of $23m goes straight out of Australia and to the USA. Would Rudd and Rees please explain how the hell that helps with jobs in Australia!

    Operating System Anonymous -- 03/08/09 (in reply to #320127443)

    Look! They are running Windows 7 and there is now no question about it! We have used and trialed them and they aren't as bad as everyone is pointing out! They are extremely fast, efficient, compact, secure and clever!

    Who much tax do you really pay? Anonymous -- 22/08/09 (in reply to #320127443)

    You act like you are paying for every single laptop yourself. The money you pay in tax would not even pay for one of the laptops!

    My Tax? Anonymous -- 08/10/09 (in reply to #320237799)

    Mate, I don't know how much Tax YOU pay, but I can tell you my Tax would definitely pay for more than one.

    Can't Wait AName -- 01/04/09

    I can't wait to see what that numpty Graeme Harrison says about this. It'll be a hoot!

    Netbooks in general Anonymous -- 01/04/09

    I just hope they can afford all the electricians needed to install the multiple powerboards needed to charge these things. Or are they expecting everyone to turn up to school with a fully charged netbook. Also I pity the 470+ staff that will be employed to provide "support", I hope they don't plan on sleeping after these units are distributed.

    Re: Netbooks in general Mark -- 01/04/09 (in reply to #320127457)

    Absolutely spot on there anonymous. I hope - but bet they haven't - someone beyond the obvious benefactors of Lenovo and Microsoft have seriously looked into the cost of keeping this going.

    Are they paying for wireless for all schools to allow our students to connect (that's outside of DET standards, right?) or are setting up loads of wired LAN ports?

    Is there the budget to maintain and more critically, support the admitedly pretty good DET XP build, or within months, just like in so many high school classrooms, you'll be seeing stacks of unused, no-longer-working equipment.

    Wireless LAN Anonymous -- 01/04/09 (in reply to #320127462)

    Part of the NSW DET project is to install a managed wireless solution in every high school. The details of the vendor is still being finalised

    As the old saying goes... Anonymous -- 01/04/09

    "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" ....though in this case it's what used to be IBM...*L*, together with the software company that beat IBM at it's own game.
    Time will tell if erring on the side of caution was sound, or a lost opportunity - I'll just be glad that sometime this year my students will finally be getting SOMETHING!
    Retraining on a new operating system would certainly have been an issue for many older teachers - but I don't believe a different OS would have troubled many students.

    Waste of money! John Prenton -- 01/04/09

    If it wasn't going to be costing taxpayers so much money, then this would be great entertainment...

    It will be a failure of massive proportions.

    They should have spent this money on desktop PC's that would stay in the schools, be maintained by the schools, and be the schools responsibility.

    These netbooks will be in school bags that get thrown to the ground at lunchtime, taken home and used and then brought back to school with 1% battery life remaining... And if you want a deal on a cheap netbook, turn up at cash converters where i'm sure a couple will have been pawned off to fund some students purchase of a new mobile phone or whatever else...

    Teachers won't know how to fix many of the problems that arise on each students netbook from time to time (this is the only area where XP is a more sensible choice over Linux though, at least the teachers will stand a chance)

    And forgive me if i'm wrong here, but are they expecting these netbooks to be handed back in at the end of the year, to be re-distributed to next years students? If so, well... good luck.. Remember getting the text books at the start of year? Even the one that were brand new last year were now filled with graffiti, missing pages and covered in dirt/food/dried liquid...

    Handed back - no the kids keep them at end of year 12. Anonymous -- 01/04/09 (in reply to #320127470)

    makes sense - think about it - DET is effectively washing its hands of all its out-of-warranty netbooks; they just give them to the student. saving the cost of disposal, maintenance and repairs after the 4 years are up and making it all the students problem - not the governments......bloody near perfect if you ask me

    Laptops - Out the door they go! Michael -- 01/04/09

    Should make a nice little contribution to the "fell off a back of a truck market". If you can't play games on it it'll end up with dad in the pub for sale, or computer geek brother or sister for parts.
    Nice one, I'm looking forward to picking 10 if them up for a song!

    Stolen Laptops Graffiti Kid -- 01/04/09

    The student ones will be a bright ridiculous colour, so you'll know they are stolen.

    Stupid Colours The Logic One -- 26/07/09 (in reply to #320127476)

    I know for a fact my school is getting a ridiculous shade of ORANGE! Ewww! And heard other schools were getting different colours to ours eg. Red and Silver (together). I am honestly VERY dissapointed in them (DET) couldn't they put strange patterns rather that ridiculous coulours?
    Honestly! THINK! WHO IN THE HECK WANTS AN ORANGE COMPUTER! NOT ME!

    we trialed them Anonymous -- 03/08/09 (in reply to #320127476)

    The laptops are inbuilt with high security devices such as a tracking device and lockdown so as soon as it goes missing it cannot be even switched on! The DET have complete control over this problem and they can be easily retrieved! The colour are not that ridiculous so stop exagerating!

    Linux is not ready Max -- 01/04/09

    Linux could have been usable if they want them to be completely locked down - but for a novice user to perform more than basic functions on most current linux distros is unrealistic. You try explaining to an older teacher that they need to get some new libraries to fulfill the dependencies of their new software - on the other hand with a windows OS they know they can just install software. Linux may be a better platform - but it's still not polished enough to be idiot proof.

    Idiots Michael -- 01/04/09 (in reply to #320127481)

    So then we proceed with the mentality of encouraging another generation of soft thinkers.

    Software Anonymous -- 05/04/09 (in reply to #320127481)

    Im pretty sure they DONT want teachers installing software.

    A relieved parent BChau -- 01/04/09

    As a parent I am relieved that I don't have to become the Linux tech support for my son. Nothing against Linux as I don't know Linux. Had the govt pick Linux, they'd better provided parents with Linux training, assuming I had the time and the capacity to learn it.

    Ability to deliver? Anonymous -- 01/04/09

    All I want for my classroom is a VGA cable to connect a four year old laptop to a projector, 6 weeks and waiting. Like most teachers, I'll buy my own.

    So, where can I buy a 30 point power board?... oh... I can get some 6 point ones and chain them through my classroom.

    More seriously, where's the software for specialised topics? - dynamic geometry software, graphing software, something equivalent to a graphics calculator, an algebra system. Sure, there's some free stuff out there, but who's advising these people if they're not taking the required step to actually cover the learning needs of our students?

    Covering student learning needs? Anonymous -- 02/04/09 (in reply to #320127614)

    What? You think that DET administration should actually support Teachers and Students? HA HA HA HA.
    DET Admin is only there to support DET Admin

    Windows XP - my thinks not! Hylton David -- 02/04/09

    I suspect Windows XP is ony an interim measure. Windows 7 has been designed specifically to take advantage of low power netbooks - my bet, when these acutally hit the streets, Windows 7 will be the OS actually installed

    MAC's and Linux Capt Hooks First mate -- 02/04/09

    First the establishment made or Mac's 2.5 times the price of a PC and now they’re not using Linux, when will this madness end I don't think I can take anymore

    Filtering Anonymous -- 03/04/09

    "Currently students are unable to access YouTube and any site that has not been categorised by DET."

    Last time my visual arts teacher wife checked, google images was blocked too. No too easy for students to study art with looking at pictures.

    filtering Anonymous -- 03/08/09 (in reply to #320127910)

    the school may easily ask for sites to be unblocked for educational purposes. Also as soon as the laptops roll home you can access your home internet from them. Our school trialed these Lenovo Laptops so we know!

    what next DET NSW? A. Watl NSW -- 03/04/09

    Ok so DETNSW has a wireless classroom tool of some description from July ... big whoop ! That is not the issue. Not even close.

    which OS, who cares?
    brand, who cares?
    ICT support, who cares?
    stolen, sold, broken CLDs who cares?
    my pen ran out, who cares?

    The govt is just playing politics with ICT & learning. They don't give a rats re whats really needed, genuine access to the actual learning networks & resourcs.

    DETNSW blocks far too much appropriate learning by playing big brother nanna to the masses.

    Yes child protection is paramount BUT for DET to block numerous Museum sites or war memorials for fear of litigation (offending sensibilites?) then the current learning nuffies should just pack up and hand the education batton to someone who cares.

    Whats the point of Year 9 students and teachers having "connected wireless" CLD's when the quality of resources is FAR FAR better on paper? I'm deadly serious.

    One saviour? The elephant of ICT will be directly present in every Year 9 classroom and technophobic learners will find it increasingly difficult to be excused from ICT upskilling.(as they have done for the past 30 years) Fewer ICT shadows & corners to hide in, about bloody time.

    BUT, its still too slow a method of change compared to world's best learning practice.

    DET NSW is also playing desperate politics ("hang on by the skin of our nails come election time" if kiddies have shiny tech baubles to show the mummy & daddy voters!, wonder if it'll come with preinstalled election slogans....;0)

    Would have made way more sense in real engaged & connected 21st century learning, to give all kids an iphone each, if thats even what DETNSW are on about. Sure iphones present a whole different set of problems, but learning with and from them wouldn't be one of them.

    That would have set the cat well amongst it, on all fronts and it would have guaranteed changes to how kids learn.

    Oh well maybe in another decade (or four) when we are playing learning/education catch up to those nations who have.

    byp**** Anonymous -- 06/04/09

    The students can easily by pass these filters by using a online proxy server.

    GOVERMENT IS F**KED IN THE HEAD skinny -- 30/06/09

    your right these thing r goin to be a waste of time im in year 9 at the moment and i have an acer aspire one which i have been taking to school 4 9months now and its dieing more and more every day i had windows 7 RC on its and its x1000 betta then XP is good but it getts way to many virus and im really holding out for these because i need to get one so i can give my acer a rest the battery life went from just over 3hrs brand new to 1hr if im lucky its bull **** i hope the DET has the money to pay for bout 2000 new screen in the first months and all new batterys after 1 year but i guess they have said theyll do its so lets just wait and see

    trial Anonymous -- 03/08/09

    our school Cherrybrook Technology High trialed the Lenovo laptops and thought they were great! They are running Windows 7, Adobe CS4 (elements tho!), office 2007, and a whole load of school software for classwork!

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