Teachers attack NSW DET filter

A number of NSW teachers and librarians have criticised the Department of Education's (DET) web filtering system, claiming it is too restrictive and has sacrificed educational benefits in the name of child protection.

(School bus image by Kevin Dooley, CC2.0)

"We have such a fixation within the DET on a technological solution for child protection issues most Web 2.0 apps are completely blocked or severely crippled," teacher-librarian and president of the Bangalow-Byron Bay Teachers' Association, Jim Richardson, told ZDNet.com.au recently.

Most Web 2.0 apps are completely blocked or severely crippled

Teacher-librarian Jim Richardson

Richardson, speaking on behalf of several other teachers who did not wish to be identified, said the issue conflicted with the fact that leading educators, both nationally and within DET, had been extolling the learning opportunities of Web 2.0-style applications.

DET's filtering system has two components: a website categorisation engine, SmartFilter, provided by the now McAfee-owned company, Secure Computing; and DET's whitelist approach to filtering.

A whitelist filter blocks any URL that has not been approved, while a blacklist contains a list of URLs that cannot be accessed. In DET's case, if a site has not been categorised and approved by DET's panel of three "educationalist" experts, the site can't be accessed by students.

DET's chief information officer, Stephen Wilson, told ZDNet.com.au that of the 100 million or so websites in the world, the department had categorised about 25 million.

Wilson also disagreed with Richardson's assessment of the impact its filters were having on education. "What we are trying to do is continually improve the experience for kids, so that it is pleasant. That's one of the reasons why we brought filtering in-house last year, which is now done in our datacentre," he said.

A persistent challenge for the state's teachers and those managing the filters, not surprisingly, is the vast range of content available on the web. Wilson said that the 500 most popular sites that were blocked due to being uncategorised are each day submitted to SmartFilter for categorisation and assessment by the panel.

But, he added: "I would expect that most of the hits are within the 25 million that are categorised." He did not have exact numbers on how many URL requests were blocked each day.

Not included on that list of approved sites, however, were free web mail services such as Hotmail, and social networks MySpace and Facebook, which Wilson said DET did not consider to be of educational value.

"We don't think there is a place for that at school. We have our own collaboration systems within the department, and we want our students to use those systems," Wilson said.

The stance on social networking is an interesting contrast to that taken by corporations, such as AMP, which has allowed Facebook to become an integral part of its corporate communications. DET's stance, argued Wilson, was because it had a duty of care to students.

"AMP has a completely different duty of care to its employees than the DET has for underage students. If a child is groomed by a sexual predator or they're subject to bullying, we're accountable for that... If we have systems to prevent that from happening, we are bound to implement them," he said.

More frustrating for teachers, however, according to Richardson, is that many teachers' personal blogs, wikis and content uploaded to YouTube are prevented from being used at school.

Not all bad news
Wilson said that DET does allow "certain collaboration sites" through on exception. "Particularly when they're controlled by a teacher, but as a general rule we don't allow pure social networking on sites that are un-moderated. We don't allow access to YouTube within the environment for this reason," said Wilson.

Personal blogs and wikis look set to remain a sticking point, primarily because DET's filters won't allow sites accessed via a third-party web proxy. "It's our experience that many of the sites that are uncategorised and blocked are proxy anonmyisers and we will not allow anyone to use them within our environment," said Wilson.

Though, the outlook for the ban on YouTube appears a little brighter, with DET aware it does hold some educational value. "We're reviewing access to YouTube right now as a matter of urgency," Wilson said.

What we are trying to do is continually improve the experience for kids, so that it is pleasant.

NSW DET CIO Stephen Wilson

"It's not like we're blind to this. I mean there is so much good information on YouTube. It's just a matter for us to figure a way to only allow the things that teachers have pre-qualified potentially for students to see — then we'd be OK with it. We're working with Google and other companies to find solutions for those issues."

A likely catalyst for further change to the filter is the upcoming deployment of 200,000 netbooks the department is deciding on in the coming weeks, under the Federal Government-funded Digital Education Revolution.

DET already has age-based filtering, permitting senior students to access nudes deemed "art" by the department, while similar sites are blocked for kindergarten students.

"With the learning devices going out, we have a group of people examining the possibility of doing not only age-based but [also] time of day filtering that would change according to the time of day," said Wilson.

That system would mean that the filters were relaxed after say 3:30pm, "so when you take the device home, it has a different profile."

"We want to make it pleasant and we don't want someone surfing the internet and getting a lot of blocks for the wrong reasons. We want them to be blocked for the right reasons," said Wilson.

Talkback 69 comments

    Teach digital citizenship K-12 Anonymous -- 04/03/09

    DET filtering does listen to specific unblock requests and has been helpful in explaining reasons why sites remain blocked.

    But the unblock process remains more cumbersome than it need be. It also defeats the immediacy we expect when browsing. The current system is not viable in the long run and must change.

    Unfortunately the bigger issue of authentic student engagement with the "real" web2.0 world has been lost on DET NSW thus far. This is the issue Wilson alludes to when he speaks about relaxing or shaping the filters on the compact learning devices.

    DET know they are behind other school systems in terms of net access and how to explicitly teach digital citizenship. This is particularly challenging for such a large centralised system who is trying to retain control when web2.0 learning relies so much on the opposite, fluid human networks, flexiblity and access.

    Public DET NSW students are currently disadvantaged and a parent class action for failure to provide equal learning opportunity may not be that unreasonable at some point down the track. DET will change their policies but just how long that may take is the $64k question.

    To shield consumers for child protection issues is one thing, but to educationally disadvantage by cloistering, censoring or blanket blocking is entirely another. No wonder Mr Wilson said it's difficult.

    Technical Solutions to a moral question M0TT -- 04/03/09

    Why do we always leap to a technical solution?

    The education of students MUST include training on how to make a decision based on their moral compass and community expectations.

    The more we "shield " our children - the less likely they will be able to make considered and appropriate decisons in adult life.

    We need to "teach" them how to identify right from wrong / how to identify good from bad / what to do when they don't know an answer.

    The education Department has lost its basic moral compass because the staff there are new generation that did not get these skills from their parents - and now they are scared because of the world it has exposed them to - and their only answer is to stop their children from seeing the world as it is.

    Well I have news for you - they will see the world as it is - and they will have to deal with it - it is our responsibility to give them the tools to do that and not perpetuate the tradgedy

    Tech solutions to a moral prob Anonymous -- 04/03/09 (in reply to #320124750)

    here here MOTT!!!
    The DET takes the easy option every time - if in doubt block it!
    Whilst I have seen many many articles and missives from the DET referring to the need to "protect" students from the internet I have not seen ONE suggesting ways to educate them in evaluating sites and understand what it is they are viewing.

    Google Docs Anonymous -- 04/03/09

    One area that is often joked about is DET blocking of Google Docs. A great tool for sharing documents and collaboration, it has been repeatedly asked to be unblock for staff and students.
    The response from DET filtering has usually been because Google Docs "are in direct competition to MS Office", which as most using it know is completely false.
    As new functions become available such as the Google Docs Survey Tool, this becomes even more ludicrous.

    Google Docs Anonymous -- 04/03/09 (in reply to #320124766)

    I really doubt the reason given for blocking google docs is that it is in competion to MS Office!! That doesn't even make sense.

    The reason google docs is blocked is that it allows collaborative sharing of content between unauthenticated users. In other words, a student does NOT know who they are sharing a document with beyond the email address, making google docs just as effective a tool for predatory behaviour as any other social networking or Web 2.0 tool where the users are not authenticated.

    Not the reasons stated though Tim B -- 04/03/09 (in reply to #320124817)

    A DET representative gave that response to a school teacher though. It may not be the real reason, but it's what a user was told when they requested it.

    Google docs anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124817)

    Doubt all you want.
    I was told by senior DET officer after much fruitless discussion on the benefits of google docs, that "no matter what argument you make, it is blocked because it competes with our corporate office ware solution (MS office)" Needless to say I was stunned. Moreso when it was clear that TAFE students had open access, but DET school teachers were blocked. The message I got was that NSW teachers were "less trustworthy" than NSW Tafe students.

    I'm not joking!

    Google docs Anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124863)

    Last I checked TAFE students don't have access to Google docs

    Google Docs anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124894)

    They did have access when I delivered a course there, it was blocked back at the school though.

    TAFE Passwords higher than teachers Anonymous -- 30/05/09 (in reply to #320124894)

    But they do have access to many more sites that teachers do not, namely the web-based email severs such as Hotmail. We get commented on by the teachers as having more access than they do. its at the point where even the school teachers have begun to use TAFE passwords just for the relaxed filtering that it offers.

    distrust of teaching staff by management impairs teaching Anonymous -- 06/03/09 (in reply to #320124863)

    teaching staff must do tasks of record keeping. this adds up to millions of work hours. many of these records are of little or no use in teaching. doing these tasks takes time otherwise given to students. Why are they done? because DET management does not trust teachers. so teachers become record keepers for legal purposes. Management just want to protect their fat salaries.

    Protecting salaries motivates site blocking Anonymous -- 06/03/09 (in reply to #320124940)

    The reason management is so keen to implement site blocking is not because they actually care about what others look at.

    They care about keeping their salaries.

    Some scandal would not go down too well for job security of those in management.

    Non MS software also `blocked' from use in TAFE Anonymous -- 06/03/09 (in reply to #320124863)

    TAFE refuses to accept non MS software. TAFE promotes the sale of MS software.

    Is TAFE considering the students best interests?

    Many TAFE students are from low socioeconomic backgrounds.

    Many TAFE students speak languages other than English as their first language.

    Which type of software is freely available in many languages and does not need extensive virus protection?

    It is not MS software!

    DET distrust teachers Anonymous -- 22/03/09 (in reply to #320124863)

    'Lacking trust' in teachers is the unspoken message I get from DET. Students are under teacher supervision when they are using computers at school, yet DET does not trust teachers to encourage only responsible use.
    I have just come from the non-government sector to a DET school. Whereas I was used to using my computer consistently in class for students, I have found the frustration of "Blocked Site" so high that I no longer bother much. Actually I no longer take my computer to school every day (it is a personal one; DET does not supply teachers with individual-use computers).
    Perhaps, if all DET teachers refused to prepare class material that includes online use, until the situation is satisfactorily resolved, there might be some change because this action would put DET students even further behind non-government school students in this area.
    I sign anonymous since so many other are. Perhaps they know something I do not and I may need to be afraid of criticising DET

    Predators? Simon -- 05/05/09 (in reply to #320124817)

    Just how many of these online predators are out there trying to entrap the kids? Seems that the underlying premise for locked down content is to prevent predators from grooming kids for some unlawful purpose. Why not teach kids how to deal with social engineering as they will encounter it for the rest of their lives?

    DET filter Anonymous -- 04/03/09

    As with almost everything the DET does in regards to technology, it's a shambles. It's inconsistent; sometimes one can find a completely harmless site blocked, and when you refresh it, it will suddenly be unblocked (I was once helping a student find a picture of a Toyota Camry : it was blocked. Is there anything less offensive than a Toyota Camry?). Not only that, kids figured out how to by-pass the blocking ages ago.

    Inconsistent Blocking Anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124784)

    An example of DETs inconsistent blocking is a recent unblock request we put in. Our school has Rifle Shooting as a sport for students.

    If you search for the word "rifle" in Google you get an instant block as it is classified under weapons. However, you can search for gun, knife, and a large combination of other weapons with no ill effect.
    We were told that "Following examination by the Web Filter Unit, the site categorisation of "weapons" will remain."

    I pity any history student trying to research weapons used during past wars.

    Whose responsibility is it anyway? Anonymous -- 04/03/09

    How are we supposed to teach our students about internet safety if all sites they assume are unsafe are blocked? Do we remove all the trees, bicycles, playgrounds etc to prevent children from injury if they fall? One day very soon, some poor unsuspecting teacher will be accused of not teaching their students how to identify unsafe sites and material because a child fell prey to unsafe material whilst using the internet at home. Students can be exposed to unfiltered internet sites 18 hours a day, shouldn't it be the DET's responsiblity to demonstrate responsible use of these sites during the 6 hours they are at school?

    Whose responsibility is it anyway? anomymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124805)

    In Victoria, blocking is done at a school level. The buck stops with the principal.
    A Victorian teacher explained it this way...
    "You dont teach a child about road safety by locking them in the house and telling them how bad the road is. You take them out, hold their hand and cross the road with them."

    whose prepared to take responsibility? Anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124899)

    I would be very interested to know how many current principals would be prepared to take on that responsibility. I would be even more interested in knowing how many current principals have the skill to take on the role......

    whose prepared to take responsibility? amonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124911)

    They delegate to a computer coordinator or private contractor.

    lol pippy mcdoodle -- 04/03/09

    Just use socks or surrogafier you morons.

    Good one... Anonymous -- 04/03/09 (in reply to #320124812)

    SOCKS would work, but you need to set up a server, and figure out how to get out to it. (yes, there's a firewall too... they aren't that dumb).

    And 99.9999% of known CGI-proxies are blocked.

    They've tried this before... Anonymous -- 04/03/09

    I remember my high school was a trial for some web filter back in '08 (before I left for tassie) and it pretty much blocked everything, including some parts of hotmail as well as requiring users to go to some lame 'portal' before accessing the internet. Needless to say, that trial didn't last long.

    That wasn't the trial Tim B -- 04/03/09 (in reply to #320124813)

    The trials started in about 06. The live thing was the one you were seeing.
    And trust me... Server updates become very painful when HTTP is broken. I couldn't update our servers for about 3 months because of that stupid user agreement page.

    The right-to-read and transparency... Jim Richardson -- 04/03/09

    The DET could allay many of the "right-to-read" concerns that teacher-librarians and other educators have with filter systems, if they published in-depth details of the criteria used by
    a. the Smartfilter classifiers, and
    b. the team that considers unblock requests.
    For many years librarians were staunch defenders of students (and teachers) rights to access as much information as possible - and developed resource collections on the basis of a selection policy. If they banned a book they had to be prepared to defend that decision publicly and to debate the merits of the decision on the basis of policy. Teachers , let alone students and parents, are yet to see the criteria or statistics on false positives.
    With an open, publicly contestable set of criteria we would be on the way to restoring some confidence in, and understanding of, the whole process. The DET may respond in a fairly timely fashion to most unblock requests, but the response to a block request is even quicker...this betrays perhaps a predisposition towards blocking.
    Parents and students as well as teachers deserve a transparent and "appeal-able" system if we do indeed need one at all. Strangely enough, Finland, a top educational performer, doesn't subject its schools to any more stringent filtering than the rest of the population. Neither their schools nor society seem to suffer as a result - and may even be more productive!

    Good intentions. Bad implementations. Anonymous -- 04/03/09

    Filtering is a requirement in a school, business, or even a home. No questions. However it needs to be:
    a) fast
    b) transparent
    c) controlled by someone who can understand legitimate needs of the users, and be reasonable in dealing with requests

    DET are OK on B now.
    A they struggle with at random times (it comes and goes).
    C is where DET fall down the pit. I requested a site for work use as a staff member. It was denied on the grounds that "some" students and staff "might" use it to bypass filters. It was Google's cache. So DET were more concerned about some students reading text that was blocked than me doing my job.... Google cache does not host images, and besides, Google images is not blocked. Stupidity!

    First Hand Experiance Jack Black -- 05/03/09

    Having completed the HSC last year i had to withstand 2-3 years of the DETs useless web filter.

    Throughout those 2-3 years me and my friend ran a "Proxy Site" that bypassed the filter, keeping us happy enough not to complain. It was not easy to keep the site up and running especially when white listing was implemented. Funnily enough my mate got hold of a domain name that was white listed!

    Been a very IT orientated person whenever i went looking for information, especially during classes such as Software design and Information Processing Tech i was faced with the DETs white wall of stupidity. Site upon site was blocked for no real reason. White listing? are you kidding? If a student is asked to do a research projected every single site is blocked until its asked to be unblocked. Teachers rant on about us using Wikipedia because it is not a decent source but it seems to be the only site that isn't blocked, go figure.

    I think the DET needs to stop worrying about the internet. Parents should sign off that anything their child looks up online at school is not the school or DETs problem.

    SmartFilter Options Anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124826)

    We use the SmartFilter software at our school district.
    We have the authorized override function enabled. If a teacher needs to access a blocked site they can get the override password from any librarian. When the override is used an alert email is sent to us so we can track down abuses (by students or staff). Sometimes the teachers aren't very careful using the override and students find out what the password is.
    You can also setup different levels of access depending on group membership; teachers vs students. That's done by having Smartfilter integrate with whatever Directory Service is used on your network. So teachers could automatically have access to, let's say, webmail sites while those sites are still blocked for students.
    There is lots of valid content that our teachers use from Youtube. That's one of the sites that our teachers perform lots of overrides to access. But unblocking Youtube globally isn't a viable option. It would suck our internet bandwidth dry from students (or staff) using it in a recreational fashion.
    Not sure if you've heard of http://www.teachertube.com or not. It's another option.

    SAME! Michael -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124826)

    LOL. We did the same at Macquarie Boys. We created our own proxy pages thanks to scripts and purchased domains ;)

    SAME! Anonymous -- 20/03/09 (in reply to #320124837)

    Michael, I wonder about this 'idea'. In an organisation such as education, aren't there policies about this sort of stuff? Sure were in mine! Sounds like these type of solutions could lead to disciplinary issues.

    We knew this long before! Michael -- 05/03/09

    I said this all the teachers when this was implemented. They blocked EVERY single website and than they create a whitelist one by one.... We try and do research and highly regarded websites are blocked, finding pictures through google is difficult, you only get the thumbnail views only.... But hell, In high school before we we had the mandatory blocking, all our computer classes were porn ;)

    It is not entirely fail safe as we were able to find raunchy websites still working under the filter, I still bet coedmagazine.com still works ;)

    DET filtering makes system useless David -- 05/03/09

    DET filtering makes makes internet access practically useless. My daughter, the recently completed the HSC, often complained about it and would not use it because she said it was a waste of time. For example, she was studding Modern History and DET would block site with NAZI in it, when one of the topics was the raise of the NAZIs to power in Germany. This is only one example of many. So she and her friends would not use the DET system to access the internet and do all her research from home.

    This makes the DET system useless and a waste of money, since the people it is intended for refuse to use it as it filters the material that they require.

    More politics than solution Anonymous Mouse -- 05/03/09

    I used to work for the DET department and was one of the people involved in maintaining Internet access from the time DET merged TAFE into schools and the New filter scheme was rolled being implemented in 2005.

    There was always a concern that someone at DET would be sued for allowing people to see porn at school, so evenn though we showed time and time again that the filtering cost money, provided no value and little to no protection.
    We were always told we had to appear to be trying as that was our only defence.

    I wanted to roll out a proxy service with minimal site level filtering and local administration. The estimated costs to develop and manage the service would have been around $8M but due to the size they went out to Tender and bought the system for 8 times as much and it never worked properly.
    I was also involved in helping the tender winners in solving technical issues and I identified issues that would prevent it from ever working properly. They still went ahead anyway.

    There is too much political maneuvering and game playing going on in this department and nothing of any real substance is ever done properly.

    I left after 8 years and was thoroughly disillusioned with the organisation. Enough so to move interstate so my children would never have to attend a NSW school.

    Flip side experiance Anonymous -- 05/03/09

    None of you wallies are parents are you? Being a parent myself there is no way I want my kids to have open, unsupervised access to the Internet. If a teacher wants the kids to learn about a topic, stand there and TEACH them, dont just reference a web site! may as well not have teachers!

    The filtering system needs to stay in place. If you use a whilelisting system, the teacher may actually have to put in a request to access particular sites BEFORE they give the class (shock, horror). If a student wants to perform extra research on a topic, do it at home. You might even call it 'homework'.

    But.. Anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124882)

    Wouldn't it be much more efficient to build a blacklist? Scan through the logs and whatnot to see what kids have searched for, the words contained on pages etc, and block only those which have been manually deemed inappropriate?

    The whitelist solution sounds like a hell of a lot of work. I suppose we have to spend our tax dollars somewhere right?

    flip side experience Anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124882)

    Well said!!!!

    Think it through...don't overreact Anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124882)

    Yes I AM a parent....And a teacher...and I want my kid and others to have supervised but fairly free access to the Internet. Education has moved on a little from when teachers could "stand there and teach them" as you put it - drop into your local school and learn more. I want my students to learn how to behave safely on the Web2.0 world - not to be wrapped in cotton wool. If Finland can do it, surely Aussies can do the same

    Yes Anonymous -- 05/05/09 (in reply to #320124932)

    I'm a parent and couldn't agree more. I want my kids to be able to deal with the real content on the net, it seems self defeating to hide it all from them. I wnat my kids to be savvy enough to spot a social engineer and deal with it.
    The " flip side" will lead to sending bank account details to Nigeria, if you know what I mean.

    Misinformed at best, offensive at worst. K.M. -- 14/03/09 (in reply to #320124882)

    This is not about teachers being too lazy to check whether a site is blocked before they go to class (though I wonder, when the kids use the internet to research, how you think we even could check every possible site they may want to use first?)

    This is about useful tools, such as video sharing, blogs, wikis and yes, even networking sites, being blocked for any kind of use.

    No teacher would ever argue that student access to the net should be "unsupervised" (though I wonder whether "as a parent" you monitor every site your kid visits at home?). But here's a news flash - not all kids have access to the internet at home. How unfair is it to just expect that everything on a computer is done as "homework"? Leaves very little time for things like reading, and math. And why don't try turning up for a job in the real world these days and deferring any computer work for your home-time!

    Computers have become part of our lives. If you don't like that, fine. But don't try to convince me that we should disadvantage the students who actually have to learn to work in that world if they are ever going to find a job.

    Flip side experiance Not to Disclose -- 05/05/09 (in reply to #320124882)

    well i myself am an 18 tear old student and a parents son and ive never had the inpulse to look up pornography or other innapropraite material at school,i think its your job to mould your chldren into people who have no desire to do these things

    Agreed Anonymous -- 04/09/09 (in reply to #320134580)

    Thats right. Raise decent children and you won't have to worry about them. They won't do or want to do anything wrong.

    DET filtering Anonymous -- 08/03/09

    The filtering system doesn't work. I has not prevented students who deliberately wish to view unacceptable material from doing so, nor has it prevented students from deploying games. But it has produced the most frustrating experience imaginable: teachers are frustrated by it, and students are dismissive of it. For example, an ICT class wishing to collect some images of Carpel Tunnel Syndrome can see thumbnails, but cannot access any of the images, or information. Perhaps they can access 5-10% of the material which is available. Stephen Wilson doesn't know what the experience in a school is actually like. One of the things that is most obvious about the IT branch of the DET is just how distant they are from the reality of school needs.

    Blocking sites Cathy Atkinson -- 09/03/09 (in reply to #320125085)

    Isn't it funny - we don't take all the suspect books out of libraries, we don't take the water out of the swimming pools, we don't stop our kids from crossing roads, the list does go on and on, But we do stop them accessing web 2.0 applications at school -applications they can access as soon as they leave the school grounds.
    Something tells me we are approaching this from a rather odd perspective. Surely we want them to know how to negotiate the online environment effectively and safely? Can't do that if pretenf the real world is not there.
    DET is not alone - I am sure the story is the same for all states. It certainly is here in Qld.

    after school.. davo -- 05/05/09 (in reply to #320125114)

    Many kids at our local high can access web 2 from their 3G handsets during the day. They update facebook and twitter contantly..

    21st Century learning is NOW! Lee -- 09/03/09

    I wonder if Mr Wilson is a lifelong learner who has a knowledge and understanding of current pedagogy and the rapidly changing face of teaching and learning in the 21st Century? Some how, I don't think so.
    Filtering decisions should not be based on software, hardware, politics or litigation .. it should be based on how to educate the children of 2009 and beyond so that they can become the future problem solvers and creative thinkers that the Earth REALLY needs.
    I wonder if Mr Wilson has watched any of the following:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bp_i3jyuK4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yCB4i7GJuM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-ZVCjfWf8
    Does Mr Wilson talk to educators from Victoria? New Zealand? Great Britain? Canada? USA? Many of whom are doing fantastic Web 2.0 activities using Google Docs and other web sites which are blocked.
    Has Mr Wilson been to a conference recently to see the exciting, motivating and inspirational learning which is happening in schools today? e.g. http://www.slideshare.net/rachelboyd/eating-the-elephant-that-is-ict-and-eating-it-one-bite-a-time (Rachel and Tanya from NZ).
    .... but probably not, because they were blocked!
    Mr Wilson, come on ... NSW teachers are chomping at the bit ....

    Unfortunately the kids are ahead of the teachers Anonymous -- 29/05/09 (in reply to #320125138)

    Teachers have this naive idea that 1) they can spell 2) all urls must start with www 3) that Terms of Service can be safely ignored 4) privacy legislation regarding disclosure of other people's personal details does not apply on the Internet and 5) personal details including passwords should be given whenever prompted by a web site and 6) that they understand the Internet better than their students and 7) all security issues can be safely ignored.
    Librarians are clearly technically illiterate, overpaid and underworked given their number of comments. Of course, they post on sites such as this because nobody else will 1) listen to them without laughing because they now suffer from an increasingly acute relevancy syndrome and 2) they think that this demonstrates their knowledge - unfortunately merely their ignorance. Idiots talk to idiots. Librarians talk to librarians. Idiots run courses for librarians and get paid for it.
    It is quite clear that most of the posters on this site have never heard of MX let alone read it.

    DET really has NFI re C21st connected learning Anonymous -- 09/03/09

    Sorry Mr Wilson
    I hope these comments continue ad infinitum and ZD NET realise they have lanced an important discussion boil that needs urgent redress, ie right NOW not later in 2009.

    DET NSW will end up with a class action once parents realise how disadvantaged their kids are in NSW Public schools.

    When it comes to equity, access and learning opportunity NSW Public schools are living the nanny state.

    Protect and hide from potential litigation, NOT educate, liberate and show kids the future.

    It really is that serious NOW Mr Wilson, do something please.

    taxes at work Anonymous -- 09/03/09

    Just ask how much these folk are being paid to do this? And while you are at it, ask about the other hordes of educrats whose sole purpose appears to be to meet departmental targets to please their higher ups. Kids? Oh yeah... they are in a target somewhere. And this is smart education? If it were not wasting so many young lives it would be good material for a BBC satire... Yes Minister? Oh dear. They've done that. The world is shifting at a pace that folk whose careers are tied to maintaining some kind of status quo are today's dinosaurs. A tragedy that they have control of "our" schools. The best way to thwart any education revolution? Employ more folk to play the public service game in education.

    DET filtering Anonymous -- 12/03/09

    I find the stance taken by the filtering team to be appaling. Where is the trust in the professionalism of teachers, they do not trust our judgement at all, shown in the continual "lets find the web filter sites 'allow/disallow' submission", which they have made so hard to find teachers are now giving up putting a URL forward for submission.

    Take the this strange stance by the DET filtering team. The Board of Studies has encouraged teachers to use Twitter as a source of instant notification of Board Bulletins. Ahh, but, the DET does not trust teachers to allow what they call a Social Networking site to be used at school.

    No real answer to any mail other than a stock standard answer is given, even when a mail is made to enlist a response.

    They are not going to listen, the filtering team are given god status to what should be given to the professsional teaching staff at each school.

    Flip side experiance - Get real ... Anonymous -- 12/03/09

    What does this wally parent know of the frustration of teachers?

    Why should we spend our free periods, better spent doing school work planning, rather than trying to find the hidden site that allows us to request and unblock. We have to come up with reasons good enough, if this team think they are not, then no go.

    We are living in the 21st century, as rightly said we are teachng analogue in a digital world, our students are digital natives, only ever knowing one life, that is hooked up the the world in some new way...ever changing.

    If we as teachers can not engage our students in Web2.0 technologies, then we are going to loose our battle engaging students in the classroom.

    We need all the tools we can get at our disposal to satisfy the current needs of our students, and those who think this filtering is good can not know of the wealth of good learning potential that "could' be used except the DET has blocked it's use.

    Time to get into the real world....not stay in the past! Mr Wilson, talk to teaching staff, don't brush them aside like some silly little child, trust their professional integrity for once.

    Internet will detour around blocks... Kim Flintoff -- 13/03/09

    The whole infrastructure of the internet is geared to bypassing blockages and broken pathways... As a colleague quipped:

    ""When blockers are placed on the Internet, the system works to route around the 'damage'. Understandably, digital natives will do the same."

    This solution is as illogical as Stephen Conroy's proposed ISP filtering - a case of good intentions and blissful ignorance meeting inside bureaucratic design... bound to end up as disastrously as the Numbat Conspiracy.

    Blogging and filters Miss W. -- 14/03/09

    I am running an international blogging challenge at the moment and had some NSW teachers register with their classes only to find that the blogs were being filtered.

    If we want students to become global citizens and learn about cultures around the world, we have to let them out into that world and teach them 21st century skills as the situation arises.

    Instead we are blocking them. With over 70 million blogs in the world, what is the likelihood that someone is going to find a particular blog on a random search unless they have been given the exact URL?

    Mixed messages Lee -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320125652)

    A recent article on http://www.schools.nsw.edu.au/news/technology/usingtechnology/yr2009/blogs.php .. stresses the educational advantage of blogs .. and yet, reading many of the comments above and below this one, indicate the TOTAL opposite.
    Please explain????

    DET, you make me want to quit my job K.M. -- 14/03/09

    DET teachers are used to coping with a lack of resources - when the copy paper runs out, we buy our own; when school printing breaks down, we pay our selves to get it done offsite; when the computers are so slow that they are a waste of time using, or don't have programs running on them that the students need, we bring in our own laptops (and data projectors, and game consoles, and DVD players, and speakers...). If we could bring in our own internet, you can bet we'd do that too (and teachers who are tech savvy enough do do it, be assured of that)

    DET teachers are used to making do. Our pay is not good and our hours are long...but we are in this line of work because we believe our personal sacrifices are worth it. Teachers in public schools particularly work for less pay and in (far) poorer conditions than their private school counterparts, all because we believe in equity in education, and that we can make an difference with what we teach where it is needed most.

    I am a committed public school teacher. I am hard working, professional, dedicated and a continuous learner. The safety and welfare of my students is *always* my top concern. But the way in which the DET has completely suffocated our schools' internet resources seriously makes me want to leave my job.

    The DET has relied for too long on public school teachers' ethics to stop them from flooding over to the private school sector. For me, they can still rely on this...however, the way in which the DET de-professionalises and restricts my practice by over-controlling the internet may just be the push I needed to move to a public school interstate or overseas.

    Gilmore's Law Anonymous -- 14/03/09

    "The net interprets censorship as damage and routes round it" (1993)

    So will students and teachers - from their smartphones & proxy sites - & ways as yet undreamt.

    Yours sincerely,
    Web 2.0 Liberation Front (formerly known the People's Web 2.0 Liberation Front of Judaea)

    The internet wants to be free Anonymous -- 15/03/09

    I believe in a balanced and educated approach, so that DET should permanently block some sites that are clearly breaking the law (such as child pornography) and leave everything else accessible. Otherwise, they should give teachers a way to unblock sites for a limited period of time.

    I am speaking from the position of a TAFE teacher who is trying to teach subjects related to web 2.0 technologies such as blogs, youtube, facebook, Google Docs, Drop.io etc . Trying is the key word here, as I have to bring in my own notebook+mobile broadband showing my students resources that they cannot access in class. Most of my students are young adults who work in the digital content industry and they 'marvel' at the wonderful TAFE network.

    I have requested many times that some of these resources be made available, but I was told that sites such as Google Docs are permanently blocked because it is classified as "online storage". (pulling my hair out)

    exactly! K.M. -- 16/03/09 (in reply to #320125709)

    And don't you just want to scream 'I KNOW it's classified as online storage! That's why I want to use it!!!'

    Here's the reply to my request... J -- 18/03/09 (in reply to #320125709)

    At least you got a reason, here's the incredible double-talk they used to reply to my request to unblock GoogleDocs: "We are pleased to inform you that your reported Incident has been resolved ... [...Wow! I think they've agreed to unblock it!!...] ...Thank you for requesting that the above URL be unblocked. Following examination by the web filtering team it has been decided to initiate no action to unblock this site at this stage. [....ka-thunk! as my expectations crash....]
    Thank you for advising us about this site."

    Confused Anonymous -- 20/03/09 (in reply to #320125998)

    Why do people keep asking for GoogleDocs to be unblocked when it is quite clear from many posts here, that it isn't going to happen!! Sounds to me like my son who can't take no for an answer and thinks that keeping asking will wear me down and get the desired result.......

    Confused Anonymous -- 29/05/09 (in reply to #320125709)

    All blog and wiki sites are available to TAFE teachers and students.
    So Google Docs is an industry standard ? Try checking the job ads.
    Most TAFEs use sharepoint or Moodle. Ever heard of the concept of TAFE content on TAFE infrastructure.

    internet censorship in ireland ger egan -- 23/03/09

    Can you please help me in relation the censorship of the internet in ireland.

    Eircom the main internet provider in Ireland has plans to curb peoples use and enjoyment of the internet by filtering all content on the internet. This non government controlled filtering of the internet is to stop the illegally uploading and downloading of copyrighted material. IRMA (Irish Recorded Music Association ) which is controlled by the main record labels (EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner) are to supply Eircom with the IP addresses of all people they detect illegally uploading or downloading copyrighted materials. If you are found to be illegally downloading copyrighted materials you can be disconnected from the internet.

    The filtering of the internet and the treat of disconnection is serving a commercial interest group and is not to the benefit to the people of Ireland. We do not condone piracy but we should never have censorship, surveillance and treat of disconnection from the internet. The internet has become a main part of Modern life people use it everyday for doing business, communicating with friends buying and selling goods, reading the news as well as many other reasons. There is over a billion people in the world that use the internet and half the world have mobile phones to disconnect people from the internet is ending there freedom to work and communicate with the world. Censorship, surveillance and disconnection of the internet for the benefit of music industry is ridiculous. How can a democratic nation allow a private industry association to dictate what information their population can/cannot read. The future of the internet is at stake if we let censorship of the internet start now we can never stop it.

    can you please help me make this be known to the public or give me advice in how i should launch a campaign to stop it at the moment i am sending this email and asking people to forward it toThe following email addresses the minister for communication the irish media and eircom (please help forward to the following and to your friends)

    eamon.ryan@oireachtas.ie, customer.services@eircom.net, sales@eircom.net

    eircomadvertising@eircom.net, newsonline@rte.ie, info@tv3.ie

    .

    Thanks

    Ger

    Bangalow Public School Anonymous -- 02/06/09

    Perhaps Mr Richardson could also investigate why Bangalow Public School's numbers are decreasing when population in the area is increasing. I know this is outside of his mandate but it seems every week I hear about another parent has moved their child to Newrybar, St Finbarrs, Eureka, et al as they are disappointed with the teachers at this school.

    Experienced it, lived it.. Anonyomous Bro -- 11/06/09

    I'm a student who has to actually cope with these filters, and I know they are a pain in the **** For an IST assignment, i used a google image search to try to obtain a picture of the sky to use as a background, and at LEAST 3 out of 5 results were blocked. Now tell me please, oh almighty idiotic DET, what is the problem with pictures of the sky? Is there potential for any sort of sexual perdator to take advantage of me? will i become a worse person? Or why, oh why, are forums blocked? or social networking? If a predator wanted to do their thing, they would become a teacher, which by the evident looks of things we hear on the news, you can't prevent anyway! So why are you bothering? Porn, I understand. Hell, maybe even gaming. But what you are doing does nothing but degrade our already VERY low opinion of the DET and students are getting more and more annoyed with the actions of the DET. I remember the old filters which applied somewhere around 2005. They werent constrictive, and yet nobody was accessing inappropriate content, because this stupid white listing thing wasnt on. Most inappropriate sites submit themselves to blacklist databases anyway, and those that arent are usually blacklisted anyway. You know why? Because other filtering software has been developing and refining their databases for more than six years and the DET filter has been LEARNING how to filter efficiently for 4. Obviously they didnt learn much.

    det's web filtering ty owen -- 16/06/09

    i am a student at cardiff high school and i am also a cedat in the aafc i sometimes need toa cces my squadron website but it is always blocked and or pending catorisation . for one fact the department needs to be quicker in catorgerising url's and the filter is defienatley to restrictive there are many sites that i ahve tried to access but to find that they are blocked for a certian reason most times it is uncatoragised

    What rubbish! Anonymous -- 21/06/09

    All the jibber re: filters are there to protect are just rubbish!

    We don't lock our fridges to teach children to eat properly - we teach them!

    The DET filter is a JOKE. It is the most grand waste of time attempting to justify why the DET filter should be in place!

    How good is it? Get your child to search google images - you can find anything there - blood, guts and gore! Does the DET filter block this? No No - 'we can't google images'

    What rot!

    The Filter Control Group, the promise of YouTube......gosh!

    What about real time access to those Web 2.0 tools that the Director General talks about!

    The DET filter is a joke! Even Education QLD has some idea on how to better use a filter!

    Nice Bus Pick! Miles Bellator -- 23/07/09

    Nice use of an American school bus graphic for a story about NSW schools.
    Typical though.
    Few in the media, and, obviously, you included, would have the slightest notion of how to represent Australian schools without recourse to some Americanised crutch.

    blocks Anonymous -- 18/08/09

    im at school and they block everything those DET bastards, i found a catagory "blocked for education/reference!" Those stupid cyber geeks blocking sites deserve a good punch in the face

    Prevents productivity Anonymous -- 30/09/09

    I'm a student and I consider myself to be quite responsible at school and I never play games during class time unless we are given permission to. However, I find that when we are given research tasks to do, it is impossible to find information as the sites that have information are blocked.

    Why don't they just unblock every site except for the social networking sites and hope teachers will be more attentive in checking what students are doing with their computer. Seriously, people have been trying to get Tafe/Teacher accounts because of this. I want one too, but for the right reasons, for increased productivity during research tasks instead of wanting to Facebook or find games during a lesson and minimising it when a teacher is nearby.

    The filter does not increase non-productivity, it decreased productivity...

    By the way, if the filter in the new netbooks for high school students is in fact unbreakable and is constantly monitored via keylogger, I will use it when I really have to at school and as a doorstopper at home.

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