NSW DET on netbook hiring spree

The NSW Department of Education and Training will hire hundreds of extra full-time IT staff to support the 220,000 netbooks to be deployed this year, but the fleet's operating system is yet to be announced.

We're going to bring on at least 471 additional staff

NSW DET CIO Stephen Wilson

"We're going to bring on at least 471 additional staff," DET's chief information officer Stephen Wilson told ZDNet.com.au in a recent interview.

Support for the netbooks will be shared between the vendor that DET selects at the end of March and the department's internal resources.

Wilson said that the department was planning to introduce a "slick" system of automated processes to support the massive netbook deployment.

"We're planning on trying to make the processes around [support] — delivery, provisioning, swapping, warranty service, tracking ownership — as slick as possible. A lot of automation is going to be built into it," he said.

To put the size of the task ahead of DET's IT support team in context, the 220,000 netbook fleet is more than twice that managed by Defence, which currently supports around 100,000 desktops. "I don't think any other jurisdiction as large as ours has done this across the whole jurisdiction in the world. Giving people a personal sense of ownership over a device that they can take with them is a first," Wilson said.

"It's going to be very exciting. If you have a child in public education, no matter where they are in the state of NSW, they're going to be treated the same."

While the hardware deal has been whittled down to five vendors — ASUSTek, Acer, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Lenovo and ASI solutions — the operating system on the devices is yet to be decided. DET's current operating system is Windows XP.

Wilson said DET had avoided upgrading to Windows Vista after considering it, along with a Linux operating system in 2006 because it "found no compelling reason" to upgrade and change management costs were high.

"The reality is that we are happy with XP and the environment we have got and we didn't see any compelling reason to move forward. It's a huge change management issue for us if we change operating systems, so we don't take it lightly," he said. The story was different for Windows 7, however: Wilson said DET was "considering" Microsoft's incoming platform.

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Talkback 25 comments

    NSW DET on netbook hiring spree Tony Imbruglia -- 04/03/09

    So how do you actually get one of these jobs deploying the Netbooks?

    Want a job? Anonymous -- 04/03/09 (in reply to #320124774)

    It's NSW Public Service. They'll be advertised. They have to be.

    What? Anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124811)

    Obviously you dont understand the public sector too well.

    Good to see DET ignoring their existing staff! Anonymous -- 05/03/09

    As a school employed tech working part time in a small DET school, this announcement pisses me off. Why are they bypassing existing school staff?

    Good luck to DET, because if they keep treating their staff (teachers and all) as worthless, they'll find they have some real big problems.

    Is that you Bruce? Anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124860)

    Is that you Bruce?

    We only ever learn about this through the media Underappreciated Tech -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124860)

    What annoys me even more Mr Anonymous is how the only way we find information out from our employer is by reading it in the media.

    I am currently taking this issue up with our union - the PSA and suggest you do the same

    We only ever learn about this through the media Anonymous -- 01/04/09 (in reply to #320124915)

    oh you poor thing! hahaha i mean hahaha you spanker as if the PSA can do anything about it! and as if Steve Wilson would give a ffff, i would suggest you build a bridge and get over it!

    Professional approach Anonymous -- 06/03/09 (in reply to #320124860)

    Obviously because they need a more professional approach to ICT Support rather than the ad-hoc arrangements at present!

    What is the difference Anonymous -- 05/03/09

    What is the difference between Vista and Wndows 7? The retraining is exactly the same.

    Training Anonymous -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124873)

    I don't think DET is concerned with training!

    Re. Worthless staff Anonymous -- 05/03/09

    Surely 471 - ADDITIONAL - staff means that the existing staff are remaining, and are not worthless at all.

    No DET Tech -- 05/03/09 (in reply to #320124897)

    Currently school-based technicans/ICT managers are not recognised by the department! These new positions will essentially make those positions obsolete!

    Yes Anonymous -- 06/03/09 (in reply to #320124916)

    I guess it will mean teachers can get back to teaching, and not have to worry about IT support. Surely this is a positive for the children.

    Maybe Anonymous -- 06/03/09 (in reply to #320124897)

    Maybe?

    Stick/Automation focus MUST end-up with Linux Graeme Harrison (prof at-symbol post.harvard.edu) -- 06/03/09

    The issues are stark. It doesn't matter what spin M$ puts on its new OS, it won't be giving it away. And it is that fact which means going M$ for a large roll-out MUST result in 200,000 sets of original disks, licence numbers by product, and a huge time-wasting pain to re-install.
    However, going with a robust Linux like Ubuntu means you can install off a stick, with no knowledge of licence numbers, re-installing ALL apps in one go, at the same time as the OS. Moreover, if NSW DET were so stupid as to stick with proprietary solutions, then a 'stick solution' will emerge... It would be a self-booting Linux variety that runs purely off the stick, to use the laptop in a better way, and by-passing the 'crud' NSW DET is likely to have installed on it, ranging from Fed net filtering to DET-only networking.

    In short, I've done lots of rebuilds of M$ systems, and I just can't see how you get below wasting a couple of hours rebuilding each PC (including apps) that gets a virus, or has any other form of problem. With a Linux-on-stick install, you only have to reboot the PC with the stick loaded, and the Linux script installs OS and all apps in a few minutes. The big difference is caused by not having to worry about OS licence verification nor licence numbers by application. The difference is fundamental to proprietary-vs-open and not dependent upon how efficient the installer/repairer is.

    The mighty Linux? William Henry Gates III -- 06/03/09 (in reply to #320124977)

    Obviously you haven’t done that many MS product installs nor have you worked in a large corporate environment or you would be aware of enterprise licensing!

    Confused Anonymous -- 06/03/09 (in reply to #320124977)

    Yeah but no one knows how to use Ubuntu, and besides, there is a reason why it is free, no one would seriously pay for it.

    By the way, you could have a M$ machine up and running in 10mins, with apps, its called 'Imaging'. Harvard will employ anyone these days.

    Not Confused Anonymous -- 07/03/09 (in reply to #320124981)

    Your right, assuming all the laptops are running with the same hardware exactly. You can image Ubuntu just as easily as windoze. Looking at what you've said, it looks as though you've never actually gone to the effort of even googling images of the Ubuntu desktop to see what it looks like before making a comment.. It has icons and menus like "Applications" for guess what applications! and "Places" for drive and document folder places!.. Your saying ooh my brain hurts stop it! The reason it's free is because it's open source code, the same reason the programming is so stable, immune from malware and software & feature rich. Because millions of programmers can change and inspect the code over a handful in silly-con valley. And if you look into the TCO (Total cost of ownership) you will find that the small learning curve will only be due to the apps having different names, which can be overcome in a week by most if any teenagers/ children. With M$ XP you may pay only $50 per license on enter-price but then there's the $100 a year price of antivirus software to keep it running, M$ Office another $100 or more +++ The apps and Operating system for Ubuntu are all free and because it's much better protected against malware with code thats been looked over many more times then M$ could, it's down time is considerably less so the TCO is cheaper then any M$ solution. However if you have some really dopey kids out there you can actually make Ubuntu look exactly like windows XP if that makes them / you more comfortable..

    Why would you make a virus for Ubuntu, only 1% of the PC world would be affected Linux - designed for those that live with mum. -- 09/03/09 (in reply to #320125050)

    Im sorry.....what? Can you explain in more detail please.

    Ubuntu dreaming William Henry Gates III -- 09/03/09 (in reply to #320124977)

    Wow, you really need to get out of your 10 desktop lab environment and find some sucker to test your toyware in a real enterprise. Name 3 enterprise size organisation that are using Ubuntu, No that�s right you can't!

    Enterprise Linux Matt -- 09/03/09 (in reply to #320125130)

    *Disclamer: I am a Ubuntu Member

    I manage Ubuntu Linux in an enterprise environment of close to 15000 machines. On the server side, Linux machines are more common that Windows servers by a factor of almost 4 to 1. On the desktop side, I have less problems supporting over 1000 Linux machines than I do supporting the 1000 Windows XP machines in our managed environment that is likely to be similar to what DET will ultimately use.

    Eliminating the risk of viruses, spyware among other things means that supporting Ubuntu machines is simply a matter of teaching people to use computers another way, which shouldnt be so hard considering these students will be young, and not used to using Windows. (Yes, some will be older, but the point is to prepare the next generation, not the one about to graduate).

    In terms of viruses, the reason that there arent any viruses for Linux is that they are patched so quickly that they do not have time to take effect. While it might not seem so critical to someone who doesn't understand infrastructure its better to compromise 1 server, than the 500 computers connecting to it. Most of those servers run Linux because they don't get compromised. Its not that people haven't tried, its that they fail.

    Also while its easy to pull a machine in and image it, clients lose data. While doing one is easy, 100 isn't. Using Linux is a matter of oncosts. Linux is cheaper when scale comes into it.

    220,000 laptops, thats:
    220,000 xp licenses at $30
    220,000 office licenses at $35
    220,000 deep-freeze licenses at $12
    (deep-freeze is a must to prevent unauthorized changes)
    That comes to a minimum of : 16,940,000.

    Thats just in licensing fees. Thats going to be a significant amount of retraining, ongoing support, and even custom development.

    Just something to think about.

    Enterprise Moron Eddie Murphy -- 09/03/09 (in reply to #320125158)

    Sorry i couldnt read that entire message. I almost died from laughter half way through it.

    lunch money William Henry Gates III -- 09/03/09 (in reply to #320125158)

    *Disclaimer: I don’t believe you, also I know how to spell Disclaimer.

    $16,940,000 that wouldn’t cover the bloody sandwich supply for lunch on the re-training days in our organisation. As for Linux vs Windows Servers factor out all non- critical mamba pamby web servers and now what are you left with, half a dozen universities.

    Common Bruce William Henry Gates III -- 11/03/09 (in reply to #320124977)

    Common Bruce is that all you got?

    Linux ? Anonymous -- 01/04/09 (in reply to #320124977)

    Graeme.........keep studying mate! DET is the BIGGEST network in Australia by any way shape or form, they already support about half a million pc's running xp i don't think they are going to switch to penguin any time soon. "licence verification"......your an idiot!!

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