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Telstra against bush backbone duplication

Telstra has warned using National Broadband Network funding to provide alternatives to its own rural infrastructure may lead to increased costs and other problems.

"The proposal for duplication ... is unlikely to address underlying economic issues and may make implementation of the National Broadband Network (NBN) more complex and costly," Telstra wrote in its 16-page submission for the government's Regional Backbone Blackspot program consultation.

It reminded the government of its obligations under competitive neutrality policy which would apply to the NBN Company and requires government-owned businesses to provide a commercial return on their investments, while pointing out its own networks offered excess capacity available for sale.

"On this basis, dividing existing demand in a low population area across two pieces of infrastructure could realistically result in higher rather than lower prices," Telstra said.

Instead, Telstra said government funding should be directed to the "extension of the fibre transmission network into under-served areas", outlining 140 remote communities that could be connected if the government followed Telstra's advice.

Telstra's submission acknowledged the complaints of ISPs over wholesale pricing in regional areas it serviced; however, if it was made a government responsibility it may provide cheaper access, which it could address by buying in-aggregate and on-selling capacity to ISPs or for it to subsidise ISP costs.

"There is potential for the government to provide lower transmission prices by either purchasing capacity from Telstra's existing network and reselling it at a subsidised cost to access seekers, or by acting as a demand aggregator and negotiating on behalf of interested access seekers," said Telstra.

Telstra maintained the problem ISPs face in regional areas was due to the "price tensions" between wholesale transmission and retail services, but noted the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission had never intervened specifically into pricing arrangements in areas where there were fewer than three providers.

Telstra also said the government's $250 million regional backhaul program — in light of the government's hope for Telstra to "vend in" its existing networks to reduce the $43 billion cost of the NBN — had jumped the gun since its NBN implementation study, and regulatory reform was likely to impact future arrangements.

"The government's proposal to duplicate transmission infrastructure is pre-empting the outcome of its implementation study," said Telstra. "It is likely the private sector will not be able to make any commitment in this regard until the government completes its implementation study and regulatory reform review."

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Talkback 18 comments

    Point missed perhaps? Terry -- 27/05/09

    I think Telstra appears to have missed the point, the NBN is to be a completely separate wholesale provider, they aren't going to be wholesaling bandwidth off Telstra then reselling that on, if that was the plan then the whole thing would be a pointless waste of effort.

    Maybe Telstra should do what Optus is doing and put their current fibre network (or parts of it) up for the NBN in return for an equity share.

    Optus Fibre Steve -- 28/05/09 (in reply to #320138791)

    Terry - Is that the Optus cable that they do not use as Optus prefer to use Telstra's cable due to the ACCC deeming the wholesale price at below cost.

    Optus fibre Alan -- 28/05/09 (in reply to #320138990)

    Steve - please cite references for your comment, and then we might believe it...

    @Optus Fibre Terry -- 28/05/09 (in reply to #320138990)

    Steve, you clearly need to do a bit of research on the topic.

    The fibre I am referring to is the long haul IOF.

    The fibre you are referring to is part of the HFC delivery. Optus doesn't deliver business services (excluding Optusnet SMB I believe) via the HFC, nor do I believe Telstra deliver business services via their HFC at this point.

    Commercial Suicide is illegal for public company's ! Reality Check -- 28/05/09

    Apparantly Nexgen also missed the point and wont be swapping assets for equity into NBNco.
    Seems like all the private sector has "missed the point"

    By the way Telstra cannot sell part of it's wholesale infrastructure to help create a competitor to compete against its remaining wholesale infrastructure and market! And accelerate the devaluation of the copper network.

    Just ask the lawyers who are advising the Telstra board of the directors responsibility, obligations and personal liability's !!

    Govt can break Telstra into tiny little pieces but it can not make the directors knowlingly destroy value in the company.

    e.g Put Billions of dollars (asset or cash) into a company to compete against itself. A company without a detailed business plan, a cost benefit analysis and a declared aim of a barely commercially viable ROE.

    Govt snookered itself ? Reality Check -- 28/05/09

    Also worth mentioning is time is ticking against the govt.

    Telstra HFC upgrade to 100 Mb/s to be live by Xmas 09. 6 mths away.

    If Telstra forced to sell HFC it wont change the fact that its existance will undermine the viabililty of the NBN regardless of who owns it.

    Or will the NBNco buy it ? And mothball it ?

    Snookered? Anonymous -- 28/05/09 (in reply to #320139010)

    Do you think so? I think it's the other way around. So far the government have snookered and tricked Telstra into upgrading/investing at every turn.

    The government coaxed Telstra into upgrading by switching on ADSL2+ to areas which they had before refused. to Gov 1 Telstra 0

    Kicked Telstra out of the NBN process, knowing Sol would want blood and would upgrade their network, no expense spared, to compete aggressively against the winner. Then didn't announce a winner. Gov 2 Telstra 0

    Maybe they'll again wait for Telstra to spend up big with their 100Mb/s and decide they don't need an NBN after all? Gov 3 Telstra 0?

    Telstra keep upgrading and spending, but out of spite, not because its prudent or the right thing to do. But hey who cares!

    The Truth Hurts Anonymous -- 29/05/09 (in reply to #320139232)

    Simply Wrong.

    Telstra had upgraded to ADSL2+ but would not activate it until they got assurity about wholesale obligations. Then they went hard at retail and wholesale (on their terms) and made good market wins.

    Telstra approached the govt 4 YEARS AGO with the plan to spend $5 B. on fttn. to the capital city's.

    Telstra going with plan B so far has committed $300 m on upgrading HFC in Melb.

    Telstra's HFC at 100Mb/s (and Optus' for that matter. As it too can be upgraded and or sold) makes NBN unviable by virtue of its existance. That is regardless of who owns it.

    But hey who cares !

    @the truth hurts, simply wrong Anonymous -- 29/05/09 (in reply to #320139422)

    as you didn't, now disprove one thing *snookered* said.

    *until they got assurity* and who got them the assurity, like snookered said the government.

    *plan b upgrade*. because their nbn plans were rejected and they were rejected. there working on an upgrade,like snookered said.

    * hfc which will make the nbn unviable*, as snookered said, after the upgrade the government might say, we don't need an nbn now.

    all you did was agree that telstra did everything snookered said but for different reasons. or telstra spin

    but hey who cares, its your shareholder money.

    Descendant of Baldric has a "Cunning Plan" Reality Check -- 29/05/09 (in reply to #320139425)

    Well Heelllooo Baldric,

    Back with the another "cunning plan"

    If turning what would have been a $5 B. capex with wholesale access for FTTN 4 yrs ago, into a $0.3 B capex for HFC Melb only, with no wholesale access, is a win for the Govt., Hooray for you Baldrick.

    no cunning plan with those shares Anonymous -- 29/05/09 (in reply to #320139505)

    reality check, have a reality check on those shares of yours, there's no cunning plan there. just loss after loss after loss.

    that's what happens when you aren't too bright.

    Aust Govt Commits Fraud ? Aust, Zimbawe of the South Reality Check -- 29/05/09 (in reply to #320139514)

    Ouch you cut me deep baldric.

    Damn that all powerful, domineering, profit gauging Telstra whose share price plummets while its DCF is at $5 plus and its forecasting free cash flow of $6-$7 Billion.

    How is that possible !!!!

    Perhaps shareholders should have seen the mega destructive and immoral govt coming to destroy shareholders. . . . . With their cunning Baldric plan.

    Unbelievably at exactly the same time it was receiving payment for the T3 the last portion of Telstra it sold.

    Some people would call that Fraud, what do you think Baldric .

    Or is Australia going from a Democracy past Socialism straight to Communism.

    Rudd is Mugabe without the mo !!

    its not your fault hey, lol! Anonymous -- 29/05/09 (in reply to #320139543)

    gee calling me baldric really cuts me deep too. I'm baldric, the previous government baldric, my you are so clever. pity you weren't clever enough to steer clear of telstra shares.

    so whatever, still doesn't alter your miserable return. what are you down, $2-$3 per share, oh what a shame!

    it's everyones fault but yours that you bought telstra shares isn't it ballbag, sorry you know what i meant.

    Re Aust Govt commits.... Simon -- 29/05/09 (in reply to #320139543)

    The desperate rants of a hurting Telstra shareholder.

    Fraud, Communism, Mugabe - although Communism and Magabe are opposites, what's next.

    I for one can't wait. This is better than NWAT, almost.

    @The Truth Hurts Terry -- 29/05/09 (in reply to #320139422)

    "Telstra's HFC at 100Mb/s (and Optus' for that matter. As it too can be upgraded and or sold) makes NBN unviable by virtue of its existance. That is regardless of who owns it."

    Which is exactly why (and I hate to bring it up again) Opel would have been much better. It concentrated on the regional areas, and worst case scenario what would have been achieved is the infrastructure to build and develop new technologies onto. All at a fraction of a cost of the NBN.

    Ahh, what could have been :-/

    @@The Truth Simon -- 29/05/09 (in reply to #320139519)

    I agree up until you mention Opel, but that's just me.

    Opel were a bit like Beta videos and Amiga pc's, theoretically great but...

    @The Truth Hurts Anonymous -- 01/06/09 (in reply to #320139519)

    If Opel had a chance of producing a return there would have been all hell to pay when it was cancelled.
    Instead we saw a quiet face saving half protest.

    The reality was simply that the NextG network had captured their possible market base and, let's face it, almost a year down the track from their winning of the contract, not a single clod of earth had ben turned to actually build the network in comparison to the thousands of NextG base stations that were designed, built and already on air over the same time period.

    Defending Telstra is Like praising the Titanic Jeff -- 01/06/09

    Telstra's business management and competence is crap, every acquisition and major investmnt by Telstra has failed in the last 8 year that I can refernece from personal experience. As fo Telstra Board being good legally compliant business men, what planet did you mean ?

    Also, the only separation of business that will fix the Telstra thuggery and anticompetitive advantage provided by their government ownership, is the splitting of the company in a proper manner, the wholesale business needs to be separated from the Retail, Business and Government divisions with an equitable share split to compensate the shareholders that were negatively impacted by Telstra's questionable reporting mechanisms and their willingness to destroy valid businesses to maintain their anti competitive strategies.

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