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Govt kicks Telstra out of NBN tender

update The Federal Government has kicked Telstra out of the competition to build the National Broadband Network, citing a technicality of the bidding process.

Donald McGauchie
(Credit: Telstra)

"Telstra has been informed that the Commonwealth has excluded it from the National Broadband Network requests for proposals process," the telco said in a statement this morning.

Telstra had submitted what many considered to be a very brief non-conforming bid on 26 November when responses were due, although Communications Minister Stephen Conroy at the time said that the telco's response would be considered.

Telstra chairman Donald McGauchie said the government's reasoning was that Telstra's bid did not include a plan for how to involve small to medium enterprises in the building of the NBN, a claim McGauchie said was fiction, as Telstra provided its SME plan in early December.

"The Commonwealth could hardly have dreamed up a more trivial reason to exclude Telstra from the NBN," the chairman said.

The telco was notified last night of its exclusion, according to chief executive Sol Trujillo, speaking at a briefing called at short notice this morning.

"Clearly we are a bit surprised at taking this action on a triviality," he said. "We were very clear in our minds that we were fully compliant."

Telstra's group general counsel Will Irving said that pushing Telstra out of the process was clearly a choice for the government and not a move based on the conditions of the RFP.

Telstra CEO Sol Trujillo
(Credit: Telstra)

"The government has the power under the existing process, if it wanted to have Telstra in the process, to keep Telstra in the process," he said. "Even if you take their view of the way they say the RFP has been worded, they could still have chosen to have us there if they'd wanted to. For that reason we assume that they do not wish to have us there."

Irving said that Telstra was out of the expert panel process, but after that was completed it would be up to the government if it wanted to talk to Telstra about the NBN.

Trujillo seemed to believe there was still the chance Telstra would get a look-in. "The RFP process leads only to the minister getting a recommendation. It is open for the government to re-engage with Telstra if and when it wishes," he said. "The minister can talk to whoever he wants to talk to after the panel reports to the minister. He can decide to take to cabinet whatever proposal he chooses. The cabinet will then make a decision."

The company had not decided on whether to take legal action or not. "We reserve our rights on future action. It is too early to rule anything in or out and we remain hopeful that sense will prevail outside the RFP process at a later date," Trujillo said.

Even if the move spelled curtains for Telstra's NBN bid, the telco had other options, Trujillo said, pointing to the possibility of extending the company's HFC cable network and increasing speeds of its Next G mobile network. Besides, Trujillo said, the company would have plenty of time.

"Even after decisions and legislation, there is a lot of time left to run before anyone else starts building. In which case any real impact on Telstra, even assuming we don't respond, and of course we will respond competitively, is years away," he said.

Telstra would beat the other bidders to the punch, Trujillo said. "We know that we can move faster, we can move bigger." His last words were: "Nothing stops Telstra".

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Talkback 177 comments

    JUSTICE AT LAST! Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08

    If you do things by halves you deserve to get the boot. This is justice for every Internet user in Australia.

    Thankyou Senator Conroy. I don't vote Labor but this is definitely the best Christmas present any government could give.

    This is Telstra's just desserts for their arrogance and lack of foresight.

    Justice at last Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118893)

    As far as Christmas presents go, all I can say is that you are very easily pleased.

    sigh Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118893)

    well done mel, just as one eyed, shortsighted and uneducated as normal.

    Blurt Mel -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118923)

    Well done Anonymous troll, bag others but provide no supporting argument and or evidence in reply.

    JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RL -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118893)

    YES! YES! YES!

    (I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself)

    Appropriate Action Anonymous -- 15/12/08

    Congratulations to the Government and the panel deciding on the 'eventual' succesfull bidder.

    Telstra got exactly what it deserves. The have treated the government and the people of Australia with utter contempt and this is the right call.

    As any business would know, when submitting a response to a tender, you must show that at the very least you have answered the questions proposed to you. I would think Telstra did note ven come close to answering any questions in their poor excuse for a response.

    Telstra does not deserve to be a part of the process and this is the best result possible. There are other bids that have been submitted that show that organisations other than telstra have the capacity to build a fair, highly accessible and soundly priced NBN.

    Well done to all involved...abrave decision...but the right one....!

    Appropriate Action Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118894)

    If you don't think Telstra knew what they were doing, and got what they deserved, you are a naive knucklehead, that simply hates Telstra.

    @ re Appropriate Action Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118916)

    I'd be ready to believe you if you actually gave an example of Telstra knowing what it was doing and why they DIDN'T get what they deserved... rather than just calling the other Anon a naive knucklehead for no reason

    @ re Appropriate Action Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320118925)

    His statement - "Telstra does not deserve to be a part of the process and this is the best result possible" is enough for me to refer to him as a naive knucklehead. How stupidly narrow minded and totally Anti Telstra was that. Therefore there was no need for me to go into chapter and verse, to comment further on his stupid remark.

    @@ re Appropriate Action Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119078)

    Why is that stupidly narrow minded?? Yes, anti telstra, but not narrow minded.

    Plenty of reason for you to explain yourself rather than only name calling

    @@re Appropriate Action Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119081)

    Once again, his statement that - "Telstra does not deserve to be a part of the process and this is the best result possible" is both stupid and narrow minded. No matter which way you look at it Telstra certainly deserved to be part of the process, whether you like them or not. What part of his comment that " Telstra does not deserve to be part of the process........." do you agree with, or not understand !!!

    Immature Response to my "Appropriate Action" Post - now for a lesson Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118916)

    It is pretty simple mate...Each respondent had only four key legal requirements to meet in submitting an proposal. And I quote from an article today in "The Age On-Line"

    1. The proposal be written in English.

    2. That measurements used in the proposal conform with Australian standards - be metric, in essence.

    3. That the proposal be signed by the proposer.

    4. That the proposal include a plan about how to involve small and medium enterprises in the building of the new network.

    That is just 4 requirements to be met... now how can an organisation with billions of dollars and a in-house legal team the size of texas not read the RFP closely enough to make sure that they meet the legal requirments to be considered.

    This is an example of the utter contempt that Telstra have for regulation and rules...they never want to play on a level playing field and this is a prime example of their arrogant and childish behaviour...

    Is this the type of organisation that you want to build one of the most important infrastructure projects of our time....?

    Immature Response to my "Appropriate Action" Post - now for a lesson Sydney Mike -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320118963)

    "It is pretty simple mate...Each respondent had only four key legal requirements to meet in submitting an proposal. And I quote from an article today in "The Age On-Line"

    If as you say, it was that simple, then why did everyone go bananas, when Telstra put in a concise submission, and not the 7,000 page one that another bidder or two did. If you ask me, Conroy just could not handle the media backlash, to Telstra's short sharp proposal, and reacted accordingly, with a dummy spit back at Telstra.

    re Sydney Mike Anonymous -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119199)

    Because Telstra didn't comply with the number 4 requirement... that's why. It's got nothing to do with how many pages everybody submitted, it was the lack of actual content from Telstra that everyone went 'bananas' over

    NBN Anonymous -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320118894)

    This wasn't a Tender - it was an RFP. Very different.

    "This wasn't a tender" Sydney Mike -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119221)

    Quite right NBN, it wasn't a tender, and therefore did not need all the chapter and verse which was submitted by all except Telstra. Fair dinkum, the comments from all these anti-Telstra commentators that are harping on about Telstra's lack of a bid, is bloody riduiculous. Certainly when the tender is submitted, then the indepth detail has to be examined, but not before.

    Except for the parts that were MANDATORY Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119349)

    Telstra failed to lodge the MANDATORY components of the RFP ... but several other companies/consortiums did manage to submit the MANDATORY components of the RFP...

    What does that tell you about Telstra's managements' capabilities?

    I mean, even Sydney L. is asking for heads to roll at Telstra over this monumental mess-up ... do you care to argue your stance for Telstra against Sydney L.?

    lol!

    Telstra mike -- 15/12/08

    If they couldnt even put in a proper bid, how on earth did they expect to run the project.
    What a bunch of incompetent clowns. Unbelievable!

    Telstra Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118897)

    Those "incompetent clowns" have been giving Telstra shareholders, what are among the very best share dividends on the market, for the past few years. You obviously are not one of them, and thats why you get your kicks simply by bagging them ! Get a life mate !

    Incompetant clowns Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118918)

    If Telstra, as the national carrier, can't put in a bid that is worthy of selection then that is their problem. It serves them right for down-speccing and up-pricing their bid. If they weren't so bloody greedy and arrogant then their bid would have been the winning one.

    Problem is they think like you do Anonymous - in that they put shareholders before the national interest. Bugger the bloody shareholders.

    Incompetent Clowns Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118936)

    Mel, you wouldn't know what a bid worthy of selection is, with an attitude like yours. You are obviously not a shareholder in any company, when you come out with a statement like "bugger the bloody shareholders". You are a dead set moron !!!

    Troll Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118955)

    "Mel, you wouldn't know what a bid worthy of selection is"

    Actually I do. For around 18 years i've been opening tenders and selecting the best tenders to carry out maintenance and capital works covering all trades. That is what I do well. This means that I know a dud when I see it and Telstra has DUD branded on their forehead.

    It is not unreasonable to look after shareholders but certainly not at the expense of everyone else. I hope this clarifies my previous statement which I still stand by.

    Telstra mike -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118918)

    Suffer in your jocks - ASX200 up 3.2%, Telstra down 6.3%.
    The market has delivered its verdict, and its "SELL Telstra"

    Telstra Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118946)

    I'll bet you don't have any to sell Mike, which is why your stupid and ignorant remark is so funny.

    keep suffering in your jocks Telstra muppet mike -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118959)

    Sold out of equities and into cash & gold around 12 months ago - pity you didnt.
    Rather than hanging onto your Telstra duds, you should have got rid of them, along with your Allco, B&B & Centro shares.
    You'll probably have to keep working until you are 100, you loser.

    keep suffering in your jocks Telstra muppet Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118974)

    Yeah Yeah Yeah Mike. So you follow the market's ups and downs, but I'll bet London to a Brick On, you don'y have two bobs worth of investments, you pig ignorant cretin.

    Telstra Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118918)

    you better sell up now, those dividend you've made over the years will be gone tomorrow..

    Telstra NBN Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118951)

    You wish !

    Telstra Sydney Mike -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320118897)

    It was not a bid, can't you grasp that !!!

    NBN Cabel -- 15/12/08

    I would imagine this will mean if anyone else tries to build the network It will be tied up in the courts for many year to come. So much for having an NBN being built anytime soon.

    tied up in courts Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118899)

    I'm not so sure about that Cabel - I mean yes they're entitled to take it to court I guess, but I think whoever builds the nbn will make Telstra an offer that only a crazy person would refuse.

    pffft Anonymous -- 15/12/08

    a national filtered broadband network? stick it where the sun dont shine

    Silly Decission Anonymous -- 15/12/08

    There is no other way to have a National Broadband Network than with Telstra. They are hated, true, but every major Telco in the world is. The problem Australia has is the second Telco is much much worst. Their 3G network doesn't even work in Chatswood!!!. Telstra invested 1.2 billion on their networks (fixed and wireless) Optus invested around 300 mil only!. Telstra is expensive because they made the investment and the network WORKS! It may hurt us, we may not like it, but that is reality, there is no other Telco that can build this for Australia.

    Silly Decision Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118905)

    What world do you live in? Telstra 3G - Next G : I still get better coverage on the old Telstra GSM network than I do on Next G - What a load of crap Next-G is. I have no signal in Surry Hills 2010. On Sunday 30 November, I drove from Cowra to Bathurst with "Limited Service Only" This was using a prefered "Country Handset" and external Aerial. When I complain to Telstra I am told repeatedly it is MY FAULT - not the network.
    National Broadband with these Clowns would have been more of the same.

    because your stupid Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118919)

    obviously your too dumb to change settings on your handset manually to get better coverage. Congratulations on joining the A grade stupid list.

    Settings? Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118924)

    What settings? A phone should connect to the network and optimise the receiving and transmitting signals automatically, just like has been the case in the past.

    The bottom line here is that NextG is just as fault-prone as every other mobile network we've had and Telstra's claim of NextG's range being up to 200km is complete bull. I know - I've tested it and 200km is just crapola.

    Please think before posting just to abuse people.

    Settings Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118938)

    Mel, you are a first grade **** and I thought about this, before I posted it ! You can dish out the crap, but you can't take the abuse it deserves.

    Blah Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118961)

    People shouldn't need to 'take' abuse. If you can't debate by presenting an argument and backing up the argument with evidence and without resorting to diatribe then you should shut your yap and leave the discussion to people with a little more intelligence.

    Blah Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119012)

    Mel, your heading Blah, is exactly what you continue to dish out - Blah Blah Blah. Get a life, get real, and stop being so narrow mindedly Anti Telstra, and perhaps you won't get abused, you nut case.

    re Blah Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119079)

    Don't listen to them Mel, your contribution is appreciated whether we agree with you or not. You're bigger than the abuse-hurling and irrelevant posts

    re Blah Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119082)

    He wouldn't get abused if he wasn't so blatantly Anti Telstra. I am an Optusnet client, and am often disadvantaged by a lot of the inconveniences that arise with my Optus connection, but I don't go on with the crap that Mel does, in his biased Anti Telstra ravings.

    actually, settings DO matter Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118938)

    Hi Mel,

    Your field of expertise is tenders, mine's mobile phones.

    Dependant upon where you live, it can be more appropriate to set a phone to different frequencies etc.

    The handsets do automatically find the networks, but arent necessarily intelligent enough to choose the best strength.

    Telstra for example uses several frequencies, multiple gsm bands, 3g 2100 and 3g 850.

    Your handset can pick up the fact that telstra is running all those bands, but it doesnt understand that it needs to use only the 850, therefor, if you set it to use the 850 band, it usually works far better.

    That said, I agree, the handsets which are sent regionally should have that setting already tuned in, but hey, its not a perfect world.

    I hope you tested the 200km range with a high gain antenna and a class c phone, or else it was kinda pointless.

    Personally, (and yes im Telstra staff), I use a next g device, which is only regionally rated, and I get perfect reception, even around gippsland etc when im out that way.

    Having said that, can't really compare vic with WA/QLD etc, so i can't comment in that regard.

    Countryphone Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320119018)

    "I hope you tested the 200km range with a high gain antenna and a class c phone, or else it was kinda pointless."

    I was using a Telstra Countryphone - explicitly claimed by Telstra to be the phone to work at long distances and the claim did not have any fineprint attached so I am assuming that the phone is not capable of reaching 200km from a base station.

    Mel can learn too. Sydney Lawrence -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119018)

    Mel you must admit the technical lesson that Anon just gave you was brilliant. See Mal no matter how smart you think you are there is always someone smarter. LOL.

    850MHz (old CDMA) IS what regions need Graeme Harrison (prof at-symbol post.harvard.edu) -- 14/01/09 (in reply to #320119018)

    The Anon post of 15dec08 by a Telstra staff noting that the better distance reception is obtained on the LOWER frequency range is a point I've been arguing for years, including prior posts on ZDnet.

    I've argued in those other posts that Telstra's dropping of the old CDMA network hurt the bush, as the CDMA range was 100+km on flat ground without an antenna. But Telstra shut down such network, determined to offer high frequency solutions to offer higher-bandwidth for urban users to get browsing, downloads etc... while the bush effectively got 'cut off'.

    What the Telstra staff did not disclose was that the "3g 850" is a newer option, re-utilising the spectrum freed up by the closure of the CDMA network... so in some sense you can see that Telstra's choice to go back to offering 850 band comms is a vindication of those who argued that the higher frequencies were worse for not-quite-line-of-sight (over-the-horizon slight bending), and worse for going through a bit of leafy foliage etc.

    I'm not saying Telstra should not offer 850 band comms, as it is clearly good for bush comms, but only that it should be CLEAR in saying that it has re-introduced comms on the old CDMA spectrum as that WAS best for the bush (and ad a mea culpa to the message). Indeed, instead of hiding the fact, Telstra should be shouting it from the rooftops in country Australia, saying: Set your phone to 850!!!!! We heard you!!! All is forgiven!!! But I think it might involve too much eating of humble pie.

    Silly Decision **** -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118905)

    It is a pity that a lot of the anti-Telstra comment providers don't understand and think this way. They would not have a clue what Telstra has had to invest along the way, to get things as reasonably efficient as they have, for the amount of money they (Telstra) have had to spend. Too many people want and expect too much for nothing, but it just doesn't work that way, as anybody these days trying to run a profitable business, big or small, knows only all too well.

    To "Silly Decision" Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118922)

    You sir are one of the type people that good. Its good enough or its not that bad.

    Next thing you getting hearded onto a train and out to some nice camping grounds in the middle geramn forest..........

    Dramactic but follows the same tracks.

    We all currently pay too much for communitactions in this country and it will only get worst if telstra is is given even yet more market power.

    ?? Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118933)

    I don't understand what you are saying....

    @ Silly Decision Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118922)

    Regardless of what Telstra has invested or contributed, the fact of the matter is they sent in a half arsed proposal for a bid. So to use your words, I think Telstra themselves "wanted and expected too much for nothing"

    tisk tisk tisk! Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118905)

    Once again another person that thinks telstra is resonalbe because it invest more than other compaies.

    Learn the facts telstra try to stop all competive invesment before it even hits the ground.

    Telstra are making record profits in times of econmic down turn!.

    Should i go on?

    to tisk tisk tisk! lolo -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118931)

    Telstra is making record profits?? So what?? That is the purpose of any succesful business!!! Come on guys, don't talk with the liver... Try to think beyond your home phone bill, a Telco offers much more than just PSTN and mobile services, they offer also interconnection between major cities and internationally. All the other carriers have crap networks that can handle a cable being cut (OPTUS in Queensland). Telstra has the best redundancy in Australia. Telstra has the best 3G network in Australia, being upgraded next year to 21Mbps. That is real good investment. And of course they want to make money out of it, they are no charity. The problem is when the Telcos charge a lot and the service is real shi*.

    to lolo Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118944)

    Making record profits in times of economic down term gerneral show a biz that doing better than it should be for whatever reason. Mybe the monoly in a certain market hmmm??

    I live work and breath the communitcations industry and what you have posted above looks stright from the telstra maketing dept.

    The fact is telstra charge to much for what they provide and if you think different i am sorry but you have a lack of understanding of the industry or are a idiot.

    Telstra have a monoply position and charge accordingly!.

    to lolo Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118976)

    You might live work and breath the communications industry, but it certainly hasn't helped you with your communication skills. Suggest you get some lessons on how to spell and express yourself a little better, before you start referring to others as idiots, you idiot !

    to lolo, RE: your oftopic remarks Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118996)

    Don’t reply to the point i made simply try to discredit the author :)

    By the way the communications industry we are in fact discussing has nothing to do with verbal or written communication skills.

    Also spelling, grammar and written communication skills have no bearing on a person’s intelligence which by thinking it does show more of your unintelligence.

    Next time add something to the discussion instead of just criticizing the way it was presented.

    Your post did nothing for the topic you did not even dispute anything I said. So you agree with what I said? But feel the need to belittle the spelling and grammar of a quickly typed post during my break time?

    You need to get a life mate or baring that at least realize that spelling and grammar don’t mean bugger all it is the content that counts :)

    sigh Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320118976)

    obviously you've attended too many optus general meetings.

    tisk tisk tisk Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320118931)

    re " Telstra are making record profits in times of econmic down turn! "

    So I guess from your point of view, we had better steer clear of investing in any other successful Wholly Australian Owned companies.

    Where's the common sense in that statement ?

    Typical, half-assed John Van Der Loo -- 15/12/08

    @mike: I agree - it's very typical of Telstra to do something half-assed, then patch it up later.

    The response to the tender just proves that they are not committed to getting the job done properly in the first place.

    Fabulous news Anonymous -- 15/12/08

    Great news that the arrogant clowns have been given their comeuppance. Won't mean anything in the long run but, nonetheless, it has made my morning...

    We Still Need Them Anonymous -- 15/12/08

    Whether we love or hate Telstra, the fact is they still need to be part of this bid process.

    If theyre excluded be prepared for a long drawn out process where they will not only run it through the courts but will delay at every step of the way when its time for the rollout as i guarantee that all of the bidders will use some of Telstra's last mile.

    They wont all be building fibre to the home to every household in Australia - its just not realistic. And we all know how great wireless is!

    Fair compensation provided Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118908)

    It has been reported here and on other sites before that Telstra will be fairly compensated where the last mile is disconnected from the copper network and attached to the fibre network via the new nodes.

    It would also be feasible for Telstra to go ahead and roll out its proposed fibre network despite not winning the bid and then compete with the winner. The only difference will be that Telstra won't receive a subsidy for their effort. With the prices they planned on charging they wouldn't need the subsidy anyway.

    Fair compensation provided Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118914)

    Mel, unfortunately, it is not that simple. Telstra's competitors have declared that they want it all and they want it as a monopoly. I must confess that I haven't seen pricing from Telstra's competitors, but if it runs along the lines of what has been previously proposed, Telstra will have to rent back its own services for whatever they were paid for the copper plus a surcharge. Even if the "fair compensation" was the ridiculous sum of $1,000 per service per month, they pay Telstra $1,000 and then charge Telstra $1,100 to rent it back. That is why they can appear to be so generous. It is just funny money and they are really getting the network for nothing.

    They'll never get it all Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118930)

    They are only going to change over the connections for customers they score. People who stick with Telstra or an existing ADSL2+ plan will not get connected to the fibre network and that will probably involve a lot of people, including me if the new network doesn't offer me equal or higher speed than I currently receive.

    They'll never get it all Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118940)

    Sorry Mel, but that does not make sense. If what you are saying is the case, then we could have as many FTTNs as we like and there would be no reason for any tender process at all. There would have been no talk of the DSLAMs the various ISPs had installed in Telstra's exchanges being rendered useless, and most importantly of all, the government could keep its (actually our) $4.7B. The problem is that running a digital signal down a copper cable that contains analogue circuits can cause major problems with cross-talk, so it really does have to be an all or nothing proposition.

    It makes perfect sense Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118950)

    "Sorry Mel, but that does not make sense. If what you are saying is the case, then we could have as many FTTNs as we like and there would be no reason for any tender process at all."

    There's nothing stopping any company requesting that the Commonwealth allow them build any telecommunications network they like. This bidding process is for a subsidy of $4.7bn to assit with the task of building a network the way the Commonwealth wants it built. It is a shame that Telstra dealt itself a terrible blow by ensuring that they could never qualify for the job.

    "The problem is that running a digital signal down a copper cable that contains analogue circuits can cause major problems with cross-talk, so it really does have to be an all or nothing proposition."

    Current voice circuits on the last mile are analogue and the ADSL circuit is digital. There hasn't been any crosstalk issues with that provided that people don't forget to use low-pass filters on their analogue devices. Without those little filters, of course the two services would clash.

    Now for the real building Charles -- 15/12/08

    If I was Sol right now I would start spending the $5B that has been put aside for the NBN on my own projects; by the time the tender process is completed I would have a 12-18 month lead over my nearest rival. The ACCC would also have no reason to declare these new services resulting in Telstra having a Next G type of lead (greater speed & coverage) over it's rivals for years to come.

    What goes around comes around! Anonymous -- 15/12/08

    (Letter to Telstra)

    Dear Chairman,

    Now you know what it it like to not have coverage outside of the big cities for a rip off price. Wow, you have lost the monopoly right when every form of communication is moving online. Home phone... NO, VOIP! Mobile...NO! Skype!

    Sound like theweb is the network you would want to be building??

    Will

    ??? Lula -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118910)

    What are you talking about? No coverage with Telstra in the bush? You must be using Optus or Voda!!.....

    They had no choice Anonymous -- 15/12/08

    It was a non-conforming bid and if accepted, all the others could have sued.

    Agree Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118912)

    The government accepts most submissions. They then reject those which do not conform to the RFT.

    There is NO guarantee the government will accept any of those remaining either.

    Glad to see some real competition coming Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08

    This decision paves the way for something this country has needed for a very long time - true competition, which can only be delivered via competing networks rather than over-regulation of one single network.

    This has been something that is long overdue and in a few short years Telstra will no longer be able to whinge due to being forced to provide wholesale access to their network. There will be a new competing network who's owners will willingly provide such access.

    All I can hope is that the winner will pay LOTS of attention to bandwidth and speed. This country needs to face upto a responsibility by ensuring that speeds available overseas are also available here.

    Real competition? Claire -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118913)

    If it is not Telstra, I don't know who else could build this network. Other Telcos don't have the level of investment that Telstra has Real competition? I don't think so really....

    FFS! Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118917)

    You sir dont know what you are talking about.

    If teltra win all australians will be paying more than there are now and get less for it.

    Telstra have said it themself!

    @ Real Competition? Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118917)

    That right there is a severely uninformed comment. Just because TELSTRA say that other Telcos don't have the level of investment, doesn't mean it's true. It's just something they say to the masses in the hope that the masses will go around repeating it in forums like this.

    investment Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320118939)

    show me the others investment if your going to claim its all a telstra falacy. I think your talking out of your **** which is probably where your brain is also located.

    @ Real Competition Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118913)

    Telstra jobs will be lost if they don't win the bid, these employees will fall into the arms of the winning bidder, probably for a reduced salary = more funds for a better NBN. The losers? Telstra, Telco staff and Shareholders - I wonder who's making all the pro-Telstra comments?

    Glad to see some real competition coming. Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320118913)

    "This has been something that is long overdue and in a few short years Telstra will no longer be able to whinge due to being forced to provide wholesale access to their network. There will be a new competing network who's owners will willingly provide such access."

    And so I suppose you think this is going to be at a much cheaper price, than if it was provided by Telstra ? I don't think so !

    @Glad to see some real competition coming. Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119100)

    You dont have very much understanding of the industry then.

    If telstra do win we will be paying more than we are now for less. Telstra have said it themselfs.

    "And so I suppose you think this is going to be at a much cheaper price, than if it was provided by Telstra ? I don't think so !"

    Wrong wrong wrong. To repeat telstra have said it themslef all ready. If they win we all will be worst off then we are now. Is that really progress?

    @Glad to see some real competition coming Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119104)

    re "You dont have very much understanding of the industry then."

    You don't sound as if you have very much understanding of anything. I don't know what media reports you have been reading, because that was a pretty strange comment you made about Telstra !

    @@Glad to see some real competition coming Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119115)

    "You don't sound as if you have very much understanding of anything"

    What do you base your unsupported comment on you have not backed up your statement mate???

    From australianit.com.au

    "Axia is touting a no-frills broadband charge to consumers of $15 a month, compared with the $85 a month being talked about by Telstra."

    From cio.com.au

    "With Telstra�s desire for a return on investment north of 18 percent, which economists have said will result in Australians paying for the network four times over in lost GDP over its predicted twenty year lifespan, it is seeking true broadband rates of $85-95 per month."

    http://www.atug.com.au/submissions/NBNJun08.pdf

    Page 13, Fiber to Node Heading.

    So in conculsion it was not a strange comment it was very factually correct.
    Regards to the "You don't sound as if you have very much understanding of anything" i think i have proven that incorrect not that i had to would you care to keep your uninformed comments to yourself in future.

    OMG Anonymous -- 15/12/08

    "Clearly we are a bit surprised at taking this action on a triviality,"

    Hahahahaha. Pause. hahahaha.

    Triviality?? huh what about the other 8% of the population you said you were NOT going to cover.

    Telstra did nto even subbmit a bid so stop calling it that.

    TELSTRA simply submitted a demand to build the NBN on its term no BID a down right dammand.

    Axia is the only option for fair, good qulity broadband in this country.

    Yeppers Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118927)

    "Axia is the only option for fair, good qulity broadband in this country."

    With each passing moment this is looking more and more like the way things will transpire. It will be better for all of us because when the new network is complete Telstra will be forced to either lower their ADSL2+ prices to something that could be considered reasonable or build their own fibre network in competition with the winning bidder.

    I also believe that the Commonwealth should compulsorily acquire Telstra's conduits and pits and then charge all users of this infrastructure a small fee for space used. All space below the ground belongs to the Crown anyway so one company shouldn't have the right to sole access.

    How stupid can one be? Julian -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118941)

    "I also believe that the Commonwealth should compulsorily acquire Telstra's conduits and pits and then charge all users of this infrastructure"

    They should also take all the banks and give us all the money!!!
    This kind of comments make me sick

    1 thing Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118945)

    Those conduits and pits are ongovenment land, not land owned by telstra. The govenment has huge powers over lands, invesment or not!.

    BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118945)

    Julian, this thread has nothing to do with banks and your comparison is also patently irrelevant. Another comment from a Telstra fanboy for the sake of commenting and not contributing to the discussion.

    BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119015)

    Typical Mel Sommersberg reply.

    *Ding* Allen McFee -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119099)

    At least his reply was relevant you twit.

    *Ding* Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119170)

    You forgot to add Dong to your comment knucklehead. You are obviously related to Mel, and just as braindead !

    NBN Anonymous -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320118927)

    It was not a 'bid' process as I understand it. It was an RFP which is very different and I think that difference is causing a lot of confusion.

    It's not over yet... Achilles -- 15/12/08

    not by a long shot. Telstra's RFP submission was always going to be found to be non-compliant. It is becoming clear that Telstra aims to work outside the RFP process. Telstra knows that it holds some valuable cards and it will play them as and when Telstra execs judge that they will have greatest effect. Don't be surprised to see Telstra white-anting the RFP process over the next couple of months. And don't be surprised to see Telstra back in the running before the game's over.

    Achilles Davo -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118929)

    You sound happy that Telstra will likely white-ant the NBN? If they do behave in that manner, which is very likely on past record, then they will be acting against the National interest and against the Australian people.

    Achilles Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118948)

    Davo, your a dill with such a half witted comment like that !

    Telstra and NBN Robert Kennedy -- 15/12/08

    It is sad that many remarks are simply ad hominem attacks. This is because ITC public policy is a critical policy issue for the everyone. While most regret the manifestly silly way in which Telstra has retained much of the power of the State (think asymetric power relationship between the individual and the State) and the raft of problems that have arisen from this, what everyone needs is a way forward. The NBN tender provides a model for all parties to positively contribute to good public policy IF THEY CHOOSE! If they choose to undermine an improvement in the structural improvement of public ITC policy then it is not only correct for the elected government to exclude such parties it is, in fact, a public duty. The tension between the commercial avarice of Tesltra and public policy must be resolved. This is a good way to start.

    American Arrogance Anonymous -- 15/12/08

    Bloody american arrogance i only picked up on this bit second read through.

    "The government has the power under the existing process, if it wanted to have Telstra in the process, to keep Telstra in the process," he said. "Even if you take their view of the way they say the RFP has been worded, they could still have chosen to have us there if they'd wanted to. For that reason we assume that they do not wish to have us there."

    Ie we telstra we dont have to follow the rules becuase the rules are only thier for others.

    *Newsbreak* Anonymous -- 15/12/08

    Conroy is not a complete clown afterall.

    Telstra plan to spend taxpayer cash overseas Anonymous -- 15/12/08

    Telstra couldnt include any small to medium enterprises in the build because they will contract it all out to French owned Alcatel-Lucent.
    The only Australian business that will benefit will be the security firm that is carrying Australian dollars to the airport and off to France for the Alcatel network builder and back to the US for Trujillo's bonus.
    Oh yes dont forget the caterer who will be bringing in the sandwiches for the meetings.

    Dont care. Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118978)

    Couldn't care if telstra hired bin laden to build the NBN as long as tehy provide a cost effictive solution which they have said they will not.

    1mbit and genious 200mb quota for $85 month has come from telstra reps!.

    That 8x slower, Over 100 times less data and 20% more expensive. Yah Telstra NOT!.

    Axia FTW!

    Cracking up Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118982)

    heh, 200MB is a laugh at any price. Very few Internet users would limit themselves to anything less than 3GB these days, even if they tried hard.

    Telstra's bean counters are living in the 1990s. My guess is that most ISPs would be embarrassed if they made similar offers.

    Mel... Barry Hastings -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320119017)

    The world's first non-anonymous internet troll.

    Enjoy your 5 minutes, I will welcome Telstra's unregulated investment of their $5B in cash even if it outside of the country. As an investor I bought over 30,000 shares today and have full confidence that they will make plenty of profit for in the coming weeks, months & years.

    Who cares about $30 or $80 broadband when there is much more money to be made elsewhere.

    Barry, you could be right Mel Sommersberg -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320119029)

    Since you have bought your Telstra shares whilst they are at their lowest point in history you may well be in a financially lucrative position.

    What the hell has this got to do with the subject at hand though?

    As for being non-anonymous: At least I have the intestinal fortitude to display an identity. 92.7% of the Telstra fanboys here don't and that is because they don't have any intestinal fortitude or any credibility at all.

    Alias Mel Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320119032)

    Yes but the wrong identity, Lord Watchdog, Brad.

    Not quite the same is it? May as well be anonymous like me, if you are going to hide behing Mel.

    Blah Mel Sommersberg -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119036)

    1. One of the ZDNet handmaidens blocked my old name and e-mail, for what reason I don't know and nor do I care.

    2. What you just said isn't a secret so why did you bother posting?

    @ blah Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119085)

    (shhh Mel, he thinks he's being clever!)

    Moron Brad Anonymous -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119101)

    Wow, thanks for that Mel, Mel and Mel.

    114 comments and about 85 of them are from the moron that is Mel Sommersberg/Lord Watchdog under various alias' and anonymous comments. Anything but his actual name.

    What a moron you are Brad.

    re Moron Brad Anonymous -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119323)

    Well what more would you expect from Mel Sommersberg / Lord Watchdog / Brad, or whatever hell the cretins name is. You just have to read his totally biased and nonsensical remarks about Telstra to realize that he has to be some sort of stooge for one or more of the other players. Or he simply has enough time on his hands sitting around writing blogs that are so full of rubbish, you have to feel a bit sorry for the dude .

    @ re Moron Brad Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119352)

    I feel sorry for people that can't debate the topic at hand so instead resort to personal attacks. "sitting around writing blogs that are so full of rubbish"??? You're one to talk!

    Leave Mel alone and start talking about something with substance.

    @moron Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119423)

    I feel sorry for people who think its ok to lie and cover up by saying to others who do not condone lying, stick to the topic at hand.

    Leave Mel alone? What do they say about those who live in glass houses? Leave Mel alone, but give it to Sydney did you mean?

    Didn't you read the links below? He says he works for Telstra and then he say he has never worked for Telstra, when it suits his Telstra mud slinging. Obviously you and Mel think its ok to lie, as long as its against Telstra.

    So in the spirit of cooperation, please let me supply Mel's alibi, for his I do/don't work for Telstra lies.

    'I didn't post those comments, it must have been Sydney's broker'.

    @@ moron Anonymous -- 19/12/08 (in reply to #320119458)

    I don't give a crap where he works.

    And Sydney doesn't need your defense, he handles everything on his own just fine so don't try and bring in something like that. Sydney may cop a lot of crap but at least he talks about the topic at hand and believe it or not we actually appreciate his input,

    unlike yours.

    Ha bloody ha ! Anonymous -- 16/12/08

    This has really made my week! Donald McGauchie came across as an arrogant bully on Sky News last night, underlining why Telstra don't deserve to be in this bid any longer. I sincerely hope the days of Telstra acting with inpunity are over. So good to see so many billions come off the share price. A just 'reward' for treating the Australian taxpayer/its customers with such contempt over the years

    Back Australia. Sydney Lawrence -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119055)

    Boy the mental instability of some Anti Telstra circus people is starting to show.

    Keep calm everybody Telstra has plans within plans. Telstra will keep cool, continue their system roll-outs, maintain and increase their customers, watch while the NBN bid winner starts the roll-out ( if Axia etc can find the cash) thereby freeing Telstra from the ACCC (as competition is established) and Telstra will fiercely compete to horrify, confound and defeat their opponents.

    A little tip don't sell your Telstra shares, buy more, average down and laugh all the way to the bank.

    Back Australia Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119058)

    Well said Sydney Lawrence. Lets see who is laughing, from within the Anti Telstra Circus, a little further down the track. I certainly intend to buy in to Telstra TODAY !!! The guy that makes me laugh is that so called expert, Mel Sommersberg. I'd love to know what planet he comes from.

    Telstra will be dragged down for the death roll Mel Sommersberg -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119070)

    Okay, Telstra shares are VERY CHEAP at the moment, certainly by comparison with the old share price of approx. $8.00. Does this make Telstra a good investment? Maybe, maybe not.

    If it was me I'd be saving my money and waiting for Kevin 737's looming recession to pass and then buy shares in the banks. At least they are guaranteed to go up.

    Ha Bloody Ha Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119055)

    You sound just like Blakey from that old British Comedy - On the Buses, and I reckon that is probably where you should be (On the Buses) with a comment like that, you dipstick. And if you think those billions coming off Telstra's share price are justified and don't represent a great buying opportunity for those that can see beyond what has just taken place, then you are also an idiot !

    Ha Bloody Ha reply Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119068)

    Mate - work done. My coments were meant to stir idiots like you up. Thanks for your share tip. I'll stick to the banks. They at least do not have a bunch of American fools running them who think that it is good idea screwing with government and playing with shareholder value.
    Go back under the rock you crawled out from muppet

    Ha Bloody Ha reply Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119125)

    You didn't stir me up you fool, you simply gave me something to laugh at, and this last post of yours one was even funnier than the first. You are right, the banks don't screw government, but they certainly screw their customers and their shareholders, and by the sound of it, you like being screwed. You obviously have a screw loose, you weirdo !

    Ha Bloody ha Reply 2 Anonymous -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119179)

    You really are very confused my friend. I think you probably need to go back to school and learn the concept of shareholder value. A strategy of government provocation isn't usually one that results in increased shareholder value. You, however, clearly do not have sufficient IQ to understand this concept. Good luck with your blind faith in a broken organisation. My money is on you being a poorly -performing Telstra middle manager...

    Ha Bloody ha Reply 2 Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119224)

    Rather than fight the Goverment for your rights, I suppose they should all simply put their faith in the hands of an incompetent minister like Stephen Conroy. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense doesn't it. My money is on you being one of Stephen Conroys
    bum boys !

    WHY?? Anonymous -- 16/12/08

    All the people that are arguing that Telstra should win. You do understand that if telstra do build the NBN we will be paying more $$ for less service and have no option of ISP other than Telstra??

    If you do realize the above point why do you wish to occur? That is completely un-comprehendible

    If anyone can explain why we should award the NBN to a company that has said we will be worst off if they do win i will promptly jump ship to the Telstra NBN boat??

    Example. Currently I pay $70 a month for 8mbit and 40 gig downloads. Telstra’s NBN offering 1mbit service with 200mb downloads for $85 a month <- They have said this in media releases!

    The Eternal Fence Sitter Anonymous -- 16/12/08

    While I am enjoying all these comments, I'm wondering what the so called 'eternal fence sitter' Ned Kelly thinks about all this... where are his non biased remarks?

    hmmmm neddyboy (formerly ned kelly) -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119130)

    hello, thanks for the invite.

    i am here but frankly i do not know what to think and was waiting for a little time for this clanger to settle down, for all the telstra bashers to stop gloating, the fanbois to stop crying and a little clarity to set in.

    perhaps it may be a breath of fresh air to have a telstra free network. but on the other hand, if we are still sitting here twidling our thumbs xmas '09, then???

    lets see what happens, interesting though!

    Goodbye Sol Gary Allardyce -- 16/12/08

    It's time now for Sol to pack his bags and go home. What a total screw up. Failing to lodge a compliant bid with all the resources at his command. 'Nothing stops Telstra' - what a joke, in this case he has stopped Telstra and caused a serious loss of shareholder value in the process.

    ANYONE WHO BOUGHT HELSTRA SHARES YESTERDAY IS A SUCKER! Mel Sommersberg -- 16/12/08

    $3.80 yesterday and $3.56 today, Congratulations to all the entrepreneurs who bought into Telstra yesterday. You may as well have gone up to Sol's office and thrown your wads of cash out the window.

    Never mind, he'll give you one of his enchiladas on your way back to reality.

    ANYONE WHO BOUGHT HELSTRA SHARES YESTERDAY IS A SUCKER! Anonymous -- 16/12/08 (in reply to #320119171)

    Here you go again Mel "Mr Know It All" Sommersberg. No wonder you need a minimum of 3GB monthly broadband allowance. You need it just to post your never ending, ravings and rantings. But he who laughs last, laughs loudest and I'm sure the day will come not too far down the track, when we "entrepreneurs who bought into Telstra yesterday", will get to scoff back at you, and your megalomaniacal attitude. You really are a complex piece of work, that's for sure !

    Winners are grinner's. Mel please yourself. Sydney Lawrence -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119178)

    Mel I do not want to criticize you but you really are a bitter and twisted person. Why you would gloat that Australians have lost money is beyond me.

    Telstra will continue to triumph and when those who have interests opposed to Telstra are exposed for the Australian knockers they are, their little game will be up.

    Let us all watch with glee as Australia's Telstra continue to upgrade their superior systems, successfully compete and continue as Australia's favourite MediaComms company.

    Oh! and Mel you sit back and watch the Share price climb. Also good work Sol and Don.

    ANYONE WHO BOUGHT HELSTRA SHARES YESTERDAY IS A SUCKER! Mel Sommersberg -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119178)

    Better than being a monomaniac Telstra fanboy. Don't count on the share price going up too much. It's been hovering around the $4.00 mark for a number of years. So the best return you'll get is somewhere between 10 and 15% which doesn't even come up to what Telstra's ROI on the fibre network was projected to be.

    hmmm Anonymous -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119219)

    Mel can be a bit over the top but his gloating when telstra shareholders are losing money is quite understandable. Telstra have been gouging the australian public. The wind has just changed a little.

    Moron Lord Watchdog Anonymous -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119223)

    Wow, thanks for that Mel, Mel and Mel.

    113 comments and about 85 of them are from the moron that is Mel Sommersberg/Lord Watchdog under various alias' and anonymous comments. Anything but his actual name.

    What a moron you are Brad.

    Stalkerville Mel Sommersberg -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119321)

    I've used only one username here and that is the one I've used in this post.

    Grow up child, because you know nothing.

    more lies from the grub that is Mel/LW Anonymous -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119361)

    From previous ZDNet comments.

    ------------------------------------------------------------

    Yes, amazing Mel Sommersberg -- 01/02/08

    "I have been employed by Telstra/Telecom/PMG's Department as a linesman and also employed by Telstra through Skilled Engineering"

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    You mean blah blah blah don't you? Mel Sommersberg -- ZDnNet 05/12/08

    "I've never worked for Telstra"

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Optus-NBN-plan-would-kill-DSLAMs-humanely/0,130061791,339293613,00.htm

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra-uses-plastic-bags-and-tape-to-fix-phone-lines/0,130061791,339285489,00.htm

    more lies from the grub that is Mel/LW Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119367)

    Poor old Mel is a sad case, that could not lie straight in bed. But at least his stupid comments are entertaining.

    hmmm Anonymous -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119223)

    They (Telstra) have not been gouging the Australian public, any more so than the banks, but Mel it seems is more than happy to praise (and so he says) back the banks. I would just love to know what his anti-Telstra agenda really is. I think the man (if in fact he is a man) is an absolute turd.

    ylb Brad Anonymous -- 17/12/08 (in reply to #320119353)

    Ah yes, universal expert on absolutely nothing and serial moron, Brad (Mel Sommersberg, Lord Watchdog) Leet.

    One who hates Telstra, but not because of the typically highlighted reasons of corporate greed or anti worker/anti union policies, like most who are against them do!

    You see, traditionally he is/would be a Telstra fanboy, because Mel/LW, like Telstra and particularly their management, actively promotes anti unionism and is a card carrying ultra conservative, just like Sol, himself! Being so, corporate greed is something those with his mentality created and he would cherish dearly. So Joe and Davo, genuine guys who dislike Telstra for these very reasons, don't be fooled into believing this moron is human. If circumstances were different, he would be behind Telstra/Minchin, 100%.

    So why does he hate his natural, perfect match, Telstra, so? Perhaps these comments on previous articles will shed some light?

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Optus-NBN-plan-would-kill-DSLAMs-humanely/0,130061791,339293613,00.htm

    check comment 'Look what the cat dragged in. Hi Brad'

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra-uses-plastic-bags-and-tape-to-fix-phone-lines/0,130061791,339285489,00.htm

    check comments 'you are fat enough to be one' another titled 'jilted' and another 'Brettt'. Then LW's reply 'not so fast sunshine' and your questions will be answered.

    What I find funniest about this moron is, while we all come here, be us pro or anti Telstra, we do so honestly and in good faith. We may not always be right, but most I'm sure, do not come here to lie. But not Mel/LW, lying is an art form for this moron. See above, more lies.

    You will also notice, although he claims he hasn't above, in these previous threads, Mel/LW will comment as Mel and will then support his own comment as LW and visa versa. Idiot.

    Since he is low enough to do **** like that, he will also be supporting his own stupidity, under other alias' and anonymously, here too.

    So even if you agree with his views, you'd surely agree, this clearly demonstrates a moronic compulsion.

    Please copy and paste this info into every forum whenever this moron comments. He will of course change names again, but his moronic everything is obvious and you will know.

    Big thumbs down, ylb Brad.

    FBI alert! Sydney Lawrence -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119370)

    Good read in today's Australian Newspaper that Optus in under investigation for being entwined with a Chinese spy group.

    Another one out of the NBN process Mr Conroy.

    uhh syd joe -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119394)

    singapore, co-operating with the chinese, to infiltrate australias... well according to telstra optus doesnt have anything here...? they'd more likely have someone working in telstra... someone, like me!! *Dum Dum Daaaaa!!!* (lol, thats music btw, not an insult :) )

    syd I'm not sure what section of the Aust you were reading but I'd suggest that someone's using some fairly shaky conjecture to get that story...

    Stalker and moron alert Mel Sommersberg -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119370)

    Seriously, I think quoting posts that are six months old and irrelevant to this thread, and some of which are obviously written by someone else, show that you are nothing but a serial Internet menace and I think that, more than anything else demonstrates a moronic compulsion - also attributes of a psychotic and paranoid schitzophrenic nature.

    You seem to have an obsession that is not displayed by anyone else here.

    Mel Fanboys Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119395)

    Wow Mel it appears you have quite a fan base. I for one come here for the conversation about the topic at hand, and now I've just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading posts about you. I want those 5 minutes back you time wasters.

    And Mel don't let that stop you, to quote Sydney from a while ago, I think he said something like "don't stop, when they start attacking you like that it means you're getting to them" - not his exact words but you catch the drift

    @Mel Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119397)

    But I thought Sydney didnt know what he was talking about?

    quite interesting Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119395)

    actually mel, its pretty interesting seeing the level that some people will stoop to to support their arguments.. replying to their own comments for example in support.

    @Stalker Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119395)

    LMFAO, you been caught with your hand in the cookie jar Mel and now look at you squirm .

    It's just not cricket Stan Robinson -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119370)

    I rarely post on these forums, choosing instead to read and sometimes be entertained. However this thread is no descending into a diatribe and whoever the Anonymous person a few posts above is, obviously writing off-topic and vitriolic posts based on a hate campaign for another poster here is out of order.

    Can we all please stick to the topic and refrain from the personal attacks. It is neither necessary nor carries any weight in the debate.

    To the anonymous poster attacking Mr Sommersberg - you accuse others of moronic compulsions yet you display the same qualities yourself. The rest of us don't come here to read this garbage so please keep it to yourself. I'm sure there are more appropriate forums for this sort of thing.

    Merry Christmas to one and all.

    It's just not cricket. Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119406)

    Mel Sommersberg or who ever the hell he likes to call himself from time to time, is a serial moron, hell bent on stirring up as much Ant-Telstra sentiment and venom that he can muster. How does one refrain from getting angry with him, when this guy raves and rants about anything that will back up his Anti-Telstra behaviour. He needs to be recognised for what he is, an absolute pain in the butt !

    ROFL Mel Sommersberg -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119429)

    "How does one refrain from getting angry with him, when this guy raves and rants about anything that will back up his Anti-Telstra behaviour."

    Here you are trying to make me angry but I have bad news squire - it's not working so give up boy, you can't win. I'm not the least bit concerned by your input but I do think it is lame. With that in mind I am glad that you are the angry one.

    Remember little pet, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar and it takes fewer muscles to smile than it does to frown.

    You are wasting lots of energy and time trying to upset someone who doesn't give a damn :-)

    @rofl Anonymous -- 19/12/08 (in reply to #320119491)

    Mel Sommersberg -- 01/02/08

    "I have been employed by Telstra/Telecom/PMG's Department as a linesman and also employed by Telstra through Skilled Engineering"
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    Mel Sommersberg -- ZDnNet 05/12/08

    "I've never worked for Telstra"
    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    As the person who 'did not' post the comment above, about being angry, I can assure you that I am not angry, just bemused by your lies and simply exposing you as the fraud you are.

    But as mentioned to you previously, while you were posing as someone else, in the spirit of cooperation, please let me supply your alibi, for your I do/don't work for Telstra lies.

    'I didn't post those comments, it must have been Sydney's broker'.

    ROFL Anonymous -- 19/12/08 (in reply to #320119491)

    Mel, or whatever your name is, if you don't give a damn, why do you go on with so much anti-Teltra drivel and crap. You are certainly for some reason, driven to being such an unmitigated pain in the arse, hell bent on giving unendorsed opinions on anything to do with Telstra's activities. If you don't give a damn why bother ?

    @ cricket Anonymous -- 18/12/08 (in reply to #320119406)

    Stan you sound just like Mel but without the lies.

    Anonymous Anonymous -- 19/12/08 (in reply to #320119454)

    You sound like the other Anonymous but with the lies.

    Mel Anonymous -- 19/12/08 (in reply to #320119526)

    Thanks Anonymous, sorry thanks Mel, sorry Stan, sorry LW, sorry Brad, sorry whoever you are today.

    Message to Mel Anonymous -- 19/12/08 (in reply to #320119551)

    Come on Mel, beef it up again against Telstra. I have just picked up a very nice earner on the latest share price ($ 3.70) having bought in earlier in the week at $ 3.40. I need you to talk it down again, in the hope that your nonsensical and biased comments wear off on a lot of the ill informed.

    What a load of crap Anonymous -- 19/12/08 (in reply to #320119556)

    And I thought Sydney copped a lot!!

    Geez Mel they've really riled up on this one. I've been tempted to come up with an alias other than Anon so they can stop saying that you wrote the message that I actually wrote - but then I would risk being singled out and harassed just like you...

    Sorry I'm just not that brave

    @what a load Anonymous -- 19/12/08 (in reply to #320119586)

    Sydney Lawrence cops this treatment 'all the time in every blog', not just one blog, and he's not even a liar, like Mel.

    So where are your comments sticking up for Sydney, in asking for the personal abuse aimed at him to stop?

    Oh its ok for personal abuse aimed at Telstra's number 1 fan, but when the boot is on the other foot, you cry 'personal attacks', lmao.

    You have nothing to fear from me, and wont be singled out at all, unless you are also a two faced liar, just like 'he who worked at Telstra but never worked for Telstra'.

    re @what a load Anonymous -- 22/12/08 (in reply to #320119595)

    My comments for sticking up for Syd?

    I was the one that wished him well on his holiday because unlike people like you, he doesn't resort to personally attacking people that disagree with him - then terry agreed with me. Remember that one? Or did you conveniently forget it because it didn't support your argument

    Der anonymous Anonymous -- 22/12/08 (in reply to #320119741)

    Oh that was you ''that anonymous', the one who wished Sydney well, not one of the other 90 anonymous's. I should have known that was you. Der, think about it idiot.

    Sticks and stones Mel Sommersberg -- 19/12/08 (in reply to #320119586)

    I couldn't care less about these fools. They are going to a lot of trouble for nothing and none of what they have said bothers me one bit.

    Don't get me wrong here. I think it is a shame that people have to resort to this sort of thing but at the end of the day it is all water off a ducks back.

    Their efforts to stir me have failed. They'll get sick of it before I do.

    Please explain. Anonymous -- 19/12/08 (in reply to #320119613)

    Have you noticed in all of this Mel has totally ignored the basis of it all.

    That being his very own conflicting words, 'he does, then later, he never has, worked for Telstra'. No comment, no denial, roffle.

    He has obviously told so many lies that he even admits it's 'water off a ducks back'. His lies are so plentiful that he cant keep up with them and is now contradicting himself totally, without even realising.

    None of the typical Mel crap, just ignoring it, because he has been 'found out', he knows it and has no come back. No come back apart from as I suggested, blaming Sydney's broker.

    But I guess an excuse, which all the like minded morons will believe, is being thought up, right now, rotflmao.

    Woot

    @ Please explain Anonymous -- 22/12/08 (in reply to #320119621)

    I hope the lot of you with your bullying tactics are tired of it now and we can get back to the actual conversation

    Not bullying, exposing LIES Anonymous -- 22/12/08 (in reply to #320119742)

    Oh lies are ok, but hassling liars isn't?

    Fine, back to the conversation as long as Mel can control the lies?

    Looking at the past, that is a huge ask.

    Yes, let's... Mel Sommersberg -- 22/12/08 (in reply to #320119742)

    I agree with you, we should return to the thrust of the article though with that in mind I've said pretty much all I can so I will simply refer everyone to the first comment I made.

    No let's not, just yet Anonymous -- 23/12/08 (in reply to #320119783)

    Still no denial. lmao. I've said pretty much all I can too, so I will simply refer everyone to the first comment I made. Here it is again for everyone to enjoy.

    Mel Sommersberg -- 01/02/08

    "I have been employed by Telstra/Telecom/PMG's Department as a linesman and also employed by Telstra through Skilled Engineering"
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    Mel Sommersberg -- ZDnNet 05/12/08

    "I've never worked for Telstra"

    Are you still here? Mel Sommersberg -- 23/12/08 (in reply to #320119809)

    I denied being the person who wrote that post the first time you raised the issue however you are obviously too entrenched in your own narcissism to have noticed.

    This may come as a complete surprise to you, probably due to the fact that you have an IQ smaller than my shoe size, but anyone can come onto this forum and call themselves anyone they want and then say whatever they want. There's no restriction and this is a subject I have raised with ZDNet on many occasions.

    I wasn't even at working age when Telstra was part of the post office so I guess that is proof enough.

    For Example I To Mel Sommersberg -- 23/12/08 (in reply to #320119821)

    Am Mel Sommersberg, muwahaha identity stolen! "spurious this spurious that" I fully support telstra in all its anti-competitive dealings and personally feel australians should donate money to telstra as well as paying line rental...
    (Lol merry christmas sydney lawrence, Mel finally says something you likes = P)

    btw, this isnt mel sommersberg, I'm just making a point

    I see then Anonymous -- 23/12/08 (in reply to #320119827)

    I must say with that in mind, perhaps it wasnt you, if it truly wasnt you, i am sincerly sorry, but i mean you can understand what it seemed like to me, am working for telstra, arent working for telstra, purple monkey dishwasher, all sorts of conflicting things... i can only hope that the honesty of general people will prevent such a thing becoming a regular occurence... once again i am sorry mel, merry xmas!

    Yes thanks brainiac Anonymous -- 23/12/08 (in reply to #320119827)

    Most people come here for honest, adult debate.

    But if you condone using multiple names, answering your own comments to suit your own desperate agenda and saying one thing then later the exact opposite, well good for you, you were obviously the pick of the litter.

    Yes I comment anonymously, but only because most others either do too or they use alias's like Mel does. So while some do not like my warts and all approach, it's known as fighting fire.

    But for someone who says he doesn't care, Mel certainly can't resist returning for more truth about his lies.

    Truth about lies, there's an oxymoron, with emphasis on the moron, for you and Mel.

    @I see then, was that you too Mel Anonymous -- 23/12/08 (in reply to #320119821)

    Yes, looks like Mel is going to a lot of trouble to cover up, now even apologising to himself too, lmfao, because that wasn't me.

    I'm certainly not apologising to you lying grub, because both those comments were from you, 'you know it and I know it and those who have a brain know it.

    You are as low as low can be. Say whatever you want then deny it all. You'd sell your soul if it meant Telstra would lose money.

    Hey now we know why Telstra were excluded from the NBN. The devil got himself a new soul, albeit a lying one.

    Merry Christmas and if any one asks it wasn't me that said Merry Christmas, I'll just deny it all.

    ROFL joe -- 23/12/08 (in reply to #320119833)

    "you know it and I know it and those who have a brain know it."

    sorry anon, it was I joe, but, i mean as long as you know it were all good then ey... you can ask the admins kindly if the emails given are the same as mine if you doubt, but >.< all for shi*s and giggles!.... and I'll admit to saying merry christmas, even if you wont

    @rofl Anonymous -- 23/12/08 (in reply to #320119834)

    Hey Joe, since I need to spell every liitle thing out, here we go.

    The first sentence was known as a p&^stake.

    The comments I was actually referring to"you know it and I know it and those who have a brain know it." are the comments Mel is denying, remember. "I worked for Telstra/I have never worked for Telstra. He said these. Strange don't you think? But do you now understand, sorry for any ambiguity.

    But thanks for sticking up for Mel, who thinks you as a union member should be hung drawn and quartered. Interesting friends you have.

    The last sentence was another p&^stake, rofl.

    I wish everyone, fanbois, bashers and grubby liars alike, a very Merry Christmas.

    hmmm.. joe -- 23/12/08 (in reply to #320119837)

    "I'm certainly not apologising to you lying grub, because both those comments were from you", fine I'll quote that part instead... and Mel denies saying those, and I think as my earlier post points out... someone could of used his name, but thats to hard to prove if he didnt or didnt, so both yours and my arguments are moot.... and btw, not union, never said I was... I'm agency, i dont get union rep, but I support what there doing...

    Thanks Telstra checkout chick. Anonymous -- 23/12/08 (in reply to #320119840)

    I'd prefer that quote at least it is factual.

    Funny if it was Sydney Lawrence you'd all be attacking him, even more than I have attacked Mel, as you have done in the past Joe. But because Mel the liar is someone who hates Telstra too, you'll believe his lies and all is forgiven.

    Great rules you live by and what an intellectual you must be. Maybe that's why you work at Telstra, perhaps you deserve each other?

    Merry Christmas, thanks for calling Telstra.

    not really... joe -- 23/12/08 (in reply to #320119845)

    lol, both qoutes say the same thing, 1 you qouted as a joke, one you meant.. i picked the wrong my, my apologies... (rolls eyes)... and no I'd point out flaws in sydneys 1st post, and then I'd repeat for his rebuttal... just as im doing with your replies, I dont follow him over all the various forums posting "your a moron" after each 1 of his posts under the name anonymous,

    Oh and 'Merry christmas, thanks for calling telstra', thats been cancelled were not allowed to say that, we shave 4 seconds of our call time that way...

    Merry thanks Telstra Anonymous -- 23/12/08 (in reply to #320119846)

    Yes well proves you're not too bright then are you, can't see the forest for the trees and can't even see when you are being played like a fiddle by Mel, either that or are you Mel? ooooooh. I feel pity for you, but at least you have a good job, working for Telstra, oh sorry.

    Also, unlike your hero Mel, I can assure you that all of those extraneous and nasty comments aren't all mine. I will certainly admit to some, but others aren't quite so forgiving as you and are sick of the lies and cover ups and are firing back too. So there's hope for even you, if you'd stop rolling those eyes and actually open them up?

    I see your bosom buddies 'opinions' have raised the ire of a Harvard Prof elsewhere. So please feel free to back your pal to the hilt and argue with the Prof too, oh you pair of brainiacs.

    Blah Mel Sommersberg -- 30/12/08 (in reply to #320119848)

    Anonymous troll, by now you should see that you can't win. 'How can an anonymous person be taken seriously?' - is the question that some here are asking themselves.

    If there is even the slightest element of truth to anything you've ever uttered here you will give yourself an identity and catagorically deny that you are here only to grind an axe.

    If you can't or won't then your credibility is smashed to pieces before you even started speaking. Your story about bringing your pals here to support your rants doesn't wash either.

    Haha, squirm, squirm. This says it all. Anonymous -- 30/12/08 (in reply to #320120073)

    Mel Sommersberg -- 01/02/08

    "I have been employed by Telstra/Telecom/PMG's Department as a linesman and also employed by Telstra through Skilled Engineering"
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    Mel Sommersberg -- ZDnNet 05/12/08

    "I've never worked for Telstra"

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    For someone who doesn't care you seem to keep returning to just have one more unsuccessful attempt at covering up your lies.

    You got caught little boy. Just grow up and accept it. Its very simple.

    There's nothing to accept except your mental illness Mel Sommersberg -- 30/12/08 (in reply to #320120078)

    And I accepted that a long time ago. The proof lies in the fact that you keep quoting from passages not written by me.

    That is quite sad because you, as a Telstra fanboy, have no other method to promote Telstra as anything but a sly and deceitful organisation.

    "For someone who doesn't care you seem to keep returning to just have one more unsuccessful attempt at covering up your lies."

    You keep coming back and lying through your teeth so I guess the same applies to you. If this is the best you can come up with then you missed the bus sunshine.

    Haha little boy. Anonymous -- 30/12/08 (in reply to #320120080)

    Haha, good thing you didnt become a cop.

    Because I highlight your lies, why does that automatically make me a Telstra fanboy? You are again showing your colors. Go back and read.

    I hate Telstra, but I hate liars more. People want the facts, not lying conflicting views. Telstra are unethical enough without having to lie as you do.

    Must be great to come here say I, me, hate Telstra, blah, blah, blah and then say 'it wasn't me'. How convenient.

    You are a disgrace little boy. If only mummy had smacked you as a child perhaps you would have grown up. You and me both know that's you and all the squirming may convince some, but 'you know the actual truth'.

    I'll it say it again,

    For someone who doesn't care you seem to keep returning to just have one more unsuccessful attempt at covering up your lies.

    You got caught little boy. Just grow up and accept it. Its very simple.

    There's nothing to accept except your mental illness Mel Sommersberg -- 30/12/08 (in reply to #320120081)

    You seem to be the desperate one here, not me. I am not the one going around misquoting people, telling other users here that they are me, pretending not to love Telstra to bits and pretending not to be the ultimate liar yourself.

    You are a Telstra fanboy who is lying through his teeth and using an allegation of a lie as an excuse to cover up your own complex and embarassment of being outwitted at the bar table. This humiliation has driven you to despair yet despite repeating yourself 100 times you have made no effect what-so-ever. To those you've brought into the fray by accusing them of being me, all that has achieved is that you've got at least two other people offside.

    You are just an ineffectual and insignificant supernumerary and you matter very little in the overall scheme of things. The fact that you still choose to remain unidentifiable proves that point quite well. If you would only choose to stick to facts yourself as an alternative to spreading your own falsehoods, along with giving youself a name, you'd be a more credible force. At the moment you are quite the opposite. :-p

    Priceless Brad Leet -- 30/12/08 (in reply to #320120093)

    Oh look she's (Mels) back again. hahahahaha, no self control at all, just couldn't help herself.

    The one who doesn't care because she is 100% legitimate, is back making excuses and trying to turn her lies around and make me look like the villain, hahaha, young lady.

    This is better than game fishing, to have someone who really believes she is intelligent, telling us all how intelligent she is and how she has the better of me, while I am simply l(ing)mfao at her being so easily strung along day in and day out, like the brainless marlin she is. This is truly priceless.

    What an intellectual halfwit you must be, to be sucked into such an aimless bun fight young lady. If only candid camera was on your obviously Mary Kay blushed and made up face right now.

    Ok I'll bite too, my name is Brad Leet and I will use my name always from now on. So to come clean, I am a liar who hates Telstra because I had a run in with them over an IRC. I am also so lame that I collect old radio's and I am a chronic flogger, obviously.

    Don't forget my name, Brad Leet. Happy Mel.

    Hey Renai joe -- 03/01/09

    Editor of ZDNet... I was wondering, with all this anon trolling/ impersonating, going on here... possible that when ever somethings posted it puts the I.P thats posting it?? Cause i dont really want to see registration come in as that'd just kill off almost all participation...

    Trolling Renai LeMay -- 03/01/09 (in reply to #320120227)

    hey Joe,

    I'm not really sure that we should be posting IP addresses -- I don't think it would really allow us to verify anything and it would probably have privacy implications.

    We have optional registration now and will have more options in future, but I guess we want to maintain the ability for people to post anonymously -- a lot of the ZDNet audience can't post under their real name because of their jobs etc.

    I find that generally imposters get outed relatively quickly online :)

    Cheers,

    Renai LeMay
    News Editor
    ZDNet.com.au

    anonymity na -- 12/01/09 (in reply to #320120251)

    well said renai.

    Sad truth of the matter is, some of us can be in big trouble if we use zdnet to whistleblow etc!

    joe, I think the thing is mate, anyone can be an anonymous troll who flames people.. but trolls only really enjoy themselves when people respond you know?

    so probably best to let the trolls have their fun, at least its an interesting side conversation when they do it at least slightly correctly, and ignore anything you don't like, because replying

    "feeds the flames"

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