Woolies cashes in on Visa, MasterCard snub

Re-tweeted by

Retail giant Woolworths today said that it expected to save millions by routing all Visa and MasterCard debit card transactions through its EFTPOS network as opposed to using the Visa and MasterCard networks.

The change, which Woolworths said was likely to only affect around one per cent of its customers, would be introduced progressively across stores from 15 April. The stores to implement the change include BIG W, Woolworths Supermarkets, Safeway Supermarkets, Woolworths Liquor, Safeway Liquor, BWS, Dan Murphy's, Dick Smith, Tandy, Woolworths Petrol, Safeway Petrol, Caltex Woolworths petrol outlets, Thomas Dux and ALH.

Routing the transactions through the EFTPOS network will remove surcharges the retailer currently has to pay to Visa and MasterCard when a customer selects "credit" using those companies' debit cards at the checkout.

If customers press "cheque" or "savings" when using those debit cards, Woolworths doesn't have to pay the higher fee associated with credit transactions.

Since banks began introducing Visa and MasterCard debit cards, however, some customers have still been using the "credit" option when checking out, leaving the retailer to pick up the surcharge, leading to cost pressures.

Further, some banks such as Westpac and National Australia Bank (NAB) have been actively promoting to customers that they use the credit option at the checkout (see screenshot), instead of selecting either cheque or savings, again causing a surcharge for retailers. Both banks say there are benefits with choosing the "credit" option such as fraud protection.

National Australia Bank logout screen

NAB touting that customers use "credit".
(Credit: NAB Online screenshot)

"The charges associated with these schemes are unnecessary costs for retailers, which in the end trickles down to the consumer," Woolworths' media relations manager Luke Schepen told ZDNet.com.au. "By lowering our costs we're able to invest that money back into our business to improve services for our customers."

By routing debit cards via Woolworth's EFTPOS network, he said the company would save "millions".

In a media statement, Woolworths' finance director Tom Pockett said the change was unlikely to cause inconvenience to customers as most debit users already pressed cheque or savings.

"Customers will need to ensure they know their PIN to access their funds via the cheque or savings buttons," he said.

Visa slammed the change, saying it would remove choice from consumers.

"It is extremely unfortunate that consumers will no longer have the choice to use their Visa debit cards at Woolworths," Visa said in an official company statement today. Visa corporate relations, Judy Shaw, clarified this statement with ZDNet.com.au, saying that debit cards would still be able to be used as EFTPOS cards but would not be able to be used as a Visa debit card which included fraud protection benefits and charge back rights which allowed consumers to charge back a if they did not receive the item they purchased online or if they received it damaged.

Visa also disputed in an official statement that the debit cards had been contributing to cost pressures, because interchange costs (which underpin the fee that merchants pay for the processing of card transactions) had reduced dramatically in recent years. Visa also pointed out that Woolworths had said itself that the debit cards only affected one per cent of its customer base.

Talkback

ANZ says the same thing for their Debit cards. It's actually really annoying because you can't use it as a normal debit card when choosing credit. IE, if a place does not accept credit cards, but does take eftpos you can't use your visa debit card (in the advised way), like at the post office or for metcards.

There needs to be some kind of common rule for all to make it easier for consumers. Either let us use it as a debit card on credit, or remove the credit option and provide the normal credit features on the saving/cheque option.

moonheadmoonhead April 1st, 2010
Report offensive content Reply (0) (0)

This sort of thing comes as no surprise. This country is being financially gang-raped by Coles, Woolworths and the Big 4 banks. Whilst this might sound like a simple attack on the big end of town, when you sit for a minute and ponder on what these six entities have direct control over then you'll come closer to appreciating the situation for what it is.

Close to where I live there are no less than six Woolworths supermarkets and two Caltex/Woolworths service stations. There are also three Dan Murphy's, two Dick Smiths, a Tandy Electronics, a BWS, two Big W's - the list goes on and this is just in the Ryde area of Sydney. All of the above is controlled by Woolworths, whose spokesman claims that "most people press savings or cheque anyway" but still think that in a corporate behemoth like Woolworths can be affected by the occasional hit on the Credit button.

And what is Chairman Rudd doing about all this? Absolutely bloody nothing as per usual. And the 101st boatful of queuejumpers since November 2007 arrived yesterday, again on KRudd's watch.

From Moonhead: There needs to be some kind of common rule for all to make it easier for consumers. Either let us use it as a debit card on credit, or remove the credit option and provide the normal credit features on the saving/cheque option.

The rule should be that debit cards be allowed to be used like a credit card - that is what they are intended for. There are a lot of people who are not able to have credit cards because they do not have the ability to either repay borrowed money or manage their own money all that well. Debit cards fill this gap by allowing the features of a credit card without the debt burden. If every retailer follows the ignorance shown by Woolworthless then it'd be close to pointless issuing these cards.

Mel SommersbergMel Sommersberg April 2nd, 2010
Report offensive content Reply (0) (0)

For my wife and I this change translates in to more bank charges each month, we are allowed only 10 free EFTPOS transactions per month but unlimited credit transactions.

What Woolworths has done is take the burden off themselves to supposedly help consumers but, in reality they are making consumers such as my wife and I pay more.

noddie67noddie67 April 2nd, 2010
Report offensive content Reply (+1) (0)

I personally refuse to use any type of card at Wollies (cash only) because.....

My friend used to regularly use his card as most of us do at until on 2 separate occasions and 2 different stores as the receipt was being printed at the checkout it didn't stop printing, when it finally stopped the checkout operator checked it and not only did the total of the groceries print but also ALL his mortgage and car payments as well.

So how much info is kept by companies when you use your card??? MMM

workerauworkerau April 6th, 2010
Report offensive content Reply (0) (-1)

Hey, how about us Debit card users (and by the way I choose to have a
Debit card rather than a credit card, this is not because I cannot repay credit !!), anyway, how about we all take a couple of trolley loads of groceries up to the checkouts after April 15 and when unable to select "Credit" we just say "Oh well, due to Woolies card changes I cannot pay" Leave the groceries for them to return to stock and head on down to Coles. I'll vote with my feet - it may be 1 percent but I also shop at Safeway Petrol (time to go to Shell / Coles Express), Big W (now Target for me) Dick Smith and Tandy - more loss of spending as I head elsewhere. And of course my contributions at BWS & Dan Murphys will now be made at the local pub. Thankyou Woolies for the wake up call I need !!

chocfudgechocfudge April 12th, 2010
Report offensive content Reply (+2) (0)

Another solution - banks don't charge companies for people choosing the credit option with a debit card?????

clariceclarice April 18th, 2010
Report offensive content Reply (0) (0)

Another perspective about who is actually gouging their Customers.

I have worked in the banking, credit union and retail industries for the past 30 years and am also familiar with Visa, MasterCard and Amex Card Schemes.

I read with interest the various views, claims, doubts and untruths circulating as to Woolworths intentions in not allowing its Customer to select the credit button when paying by Visa or MasterCard Debit Card in its stores. I am not a regular Woolworths Shopper.

Debit Cards originally started as a bank-issued payment card attached to your cheque or savings account as a means of accessing your own funds to pay for purchases, get cash out at the checkout or at an ATM. The payment network (EFTPOS) was established by all the Australian banks, credit unions and building societies as a low cost and efficient means of these transactions being possible. Today, the bank is charged 5 cents by EFTPOS Scheme for every bank-issued debit card transaction you make (every time you press the cheque or savings button). Banks for the past 30 years have been fully supportive of these cards and the EFTPOS Scheme. However, we have all witnessed our bank introduce monthly account and transaction fees on cheque and savings accounts (as a means of making even more money from us, their Customers).

More recently, Scheme branded (Visa or MasterCard) Debit Cards have been introduced by the banks (credit unions and building societies have offered Visa Debit Cards since the late 1970's because banks wouldn't let them participate in the bankcard scheme) as a means of also being able to access funds in your cheque or savings account when travelling overseas, shopping online or over the phone. The retailer where you present your Debit card now pays up to 7 cents to your bank each time you pay with a Visa or MasterCard Debit card.

To a retailer the pricing disparity for these two cards makes no sense, given both do the same thing. Both cards simply access funds in your cheque or savings account to pay for your purchase at a retailer's store. Also, both afford you the same level of protection (when shopping in a store like Woolworths, IGA, Coles, Aldi or Costco).

As a Customer, it also makes little sense to me to be selecting a "Credit" button to access funds in your cheque or savings account. The only reason you are asked to do this, is so the banks can make more money.

Banks continue to make extraordinary profits and are constantly looking for ways to drive greater profits at the expense of their Customers and Retailers.

In the Credit Card space, all the major banks have been encouraging us to take-up an AMEX card in addition to our existing Visa or MasterCard. From our perspective, no real difference when we use it to pay for goods. However, an AMEX Card significantly increases the costs to the retailer/merchant by between 200 and 300%. As a result, we are seeing an increased number of retailers surcharging credit and charge cards (e.g. Aldi, Costco, Qantas, Caltex)

We are also now see Aldi surcharging Visa/MasterCard Debit cards. Woolworths has confirmed it has no intentions to surcharge Visa or MasterCard Debit Cards, simply ask you to select the "Cheque" or "Savings" button when you present your Visa or MasterCard at the checkout.

Retailers, like Woolworths are saying to the banks that enough is enough. They are simply looking at ways to restore a sensible balance and to control their spiralling costs of accepting credit and debit cards.

As Customers, perhaps instead of beating up retailers like Woolworths, who are simply seeking greater equity, we should be asking our bank or credit union, why there is such a difference in account and transaction fees when we select the "credit" versus "cheque" or "savings" button. The cost difference to the bank is between 9 and 12 cents a transaction, yet banks are charging their Customers many times more than this. some several dollars for the privilege.

WoodfordWoodford April 19th, 2010
Report offensive content Reply (0) (-1)

This is so wrong, I am a full time student completing my final semester of a double major. I am unfortunately only able to work limited hours therefore am on youth allowance. More often than not I run out of money by the end of the fortnight. When this occurs I sign everything as credit debit and it comes out of my next youth allowance payment or my next pay! These are not things like beers out at bars or taxis home drunk! I purchase petrol to get to work or uni and food to survive! What are my options now? Get a real credit card and have to pay more fees? I am not the only one doing this at my University, there will be alot of students who will suffer like me.

M.Stone

stoney_mstoney_m May 6th, 2010
Report offensive content Reply (0) (0)

I am disappointed with Woolworths to say the least. I used to shop at Woolworths often as it was at the Westfield I frequent, however since this action I now avoid Woolworths at all costs (and subsidiaries). Coles are close too, and offer the same range, except they let me use my Visa Debit. Aldi charge a surcharge, which equates to maybe a few cents per transaction for pressing credit. This actually works out cheaper and there are no hidden fees.
Woolworth's disregard for the value a Visa-Debit card offers to a customer saddens me. I have complained often in the stores, to staff that do not care, I have been offered a Woolworths credit card more than once, with a $50 anual fee for the pleasure.
Go Coles, I say!

messengerboymessengerboy September 23rd, 2010
Report offensive content Reply (+2) (0)

I too have taken my business elsewhere and I am of the 1%ers.
As this is the only way I shop therefore never having to pay fees to my bank by using my Pin Number ( I am on a disability Pension ).
What they have forced me to do is to shop elsewhere including where I get my petrol from,it has created some inconvenience but I refuse to pay Fee’s through the use of my card.
Why do the people who use their cards in a smart way have that ability taken away from them ?
WHY!! Because Woolworths don’t give two hoots for it’s customers that’s why !!

pacerspacers May 16th, 2012
Report offensive content Reply (0) (0)
Add your opinion

In order to post a comment, you need to be registered. (Sign In or register below)

Post your comment

Terms of Service - As a ZDNet registrant, and by using this service, you indicate that you agree to our Terms and Conditions and have read and understand our Privacy Policy.

ZDNet Australia Live

FugsFargy mulberry

22 minutes ago by BuhBypeepheri on Microsoft, Barnes & Noble ink $300m deal

Yes HC they have a whinge for every occasion, which contradicts itself (much like proverbs). Precious and most humorous, aren't they...!...

26 minutes ago by Beta on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

RT @sortius: #NBN users opt for 100Mbps http://t.co/lr7yE0A8 via @zdnetaustralia | do you have a reaction to this @TurnbullMalcolm?

RT @sortius: #NBN users opt for 100Mbps http://t.co/lr7yE0A8 via @zdnetaustralia | do you have a reaction to this @TurnbullMalcolm?

#NBN users opt for 100Mbps http://t.co/lr7yE0A8 via @zdnetaustralia | do you have a reaction to this @TurnbullMalcolm?

Notice how he didn't tell us when the "honeymoon" will end. It's all very convenient a NBN success story = artificial honeymoon, lol, but...

58 minutes ago by Hubert Cumberdale on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

Oh look it's the multiple banned, multi named fool alain... back from the dead. How many blogs are you banned at (not just one, eh - the...

1 hour ago by Beta on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

LOL, you wanted the money I was going to donate to the "bubububu please stop the nbn waste fund" Since I was only going to donate somethi...

1 hour ago by Hubert Cumberdale on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

I think everyone is missing the big picture here and that is the anti-NBN zealots have effectively admitted defeat by complaining about t...

2 hours ago by Hubert Cumberdale on NBN's Tassie upgrade to cost $1.3 million

Internet users certainly want the speed once they can get it#NBN

NBN users opt for 100Mbps http://t.co/JTQbWghv via @zdnetaustralia

It will be intersting to know what residences will sign up for when the NBN Co stops subsidising it all. 'NBN Co, the public-private par...

3 hours ago by advocate on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

RT @zdnetaustralia: NSW outs datacentre deal details: http://t.co/DmebN1on

Australian NBN subscribers are opting for 100/40 over 12/1 speeds: http://t.co/QsWk7u6Y That's the least surprising news I've ever read! :)

UK 'cookie law' takes effect: What you need to know http://t.co/u7LZZ1oM

RT @juhasaarinen: NBN users opt for 100Mbps http://t.co/T7uk1hbK by @joshgnosis

Poor Oracle, poor, poor Oracle, I feel so sorry for them. I really hope they don't go bust, for at least another 5 or 6 months. Sucked in...

6 hours ago by Rex Alfie on Google didn't infringe on Oracle patents: jury

The point of pilot schemes is to determine the best practice and save money in the broader picture. The Tasmanian rollout planning actua...

6 hours ago by GregoryB1 on NBN's Tassie upgrade to cost $1.3 million

I think that a CBA is unlikely because with the high proportion of customers now electing for the highest rate (50% of connections in Apr...

6 hours ago by GregoryB1 on NBN cost-benefit analyses are so 2011

Pentaho adds native integration with MongoDB http://t.co/uJCqDA9B

RT @pussyeatingclub: Why you should pay for porn. A good read. http://t.co/PfhedCQs

DDoS works because you have enough compromised machines to clog the pipe or servers of the victim. If, the victim's pipe is widened by a ...

6 hours ago by GregoryB1 on National Botnet Network coming: Earthwave

Please stop with the analytical, common sense and facts, Gregory. Those opposed to the NBN don't want to hear such things, which is why ...

6 hours ago by Beta on Blowing the digital dividend on wireless NBN

But, yet again, Turnbull is clearly in error when he says that other companies cannot roll out copper. In South Brisbane Telstra chose to...

6 hours ago by GregoryB1 on Copper greenfield dominance irrelevant: Conroy

Not much point running fiber back to the exchange if that exchange itself is connected by copper. It is access to fiber backhaul that de...

6 hours ago by GregoryB1 on Copper greenfield dominance irrelevant: Conroy

+1

6 hours ago by Beta on Copper greenfield dominance irrelevant: Conroy

So instead you want these estates wired up with fiber and then left, unconnected with no service, until the fiber rollout reaches them in...

7 hours ago by GregoryB1 on Copper greenfield dominance irrelevant: Conroy

@paulbrislen @juhasaarinen Prices compared here: http://t.co/WnZzXP5Z

RT @joshgnosis: @paulbrislen @juhasaarinen Prices compared here: http://t.co/WnZzXP5Z

Water, roads and electricity were all rolled out by government because there private companies weren't interested as the ROI in the early...

7 hours ago by GregoryB1 on Five pros and cons of the NBN

NBN users opt for 100Mbps http://t.co/T7uk1hbK by @joshgnosis

Chrome beats Internet Explorer in global Web browser race | ZDNet http://t.co/3XfMdUXM

The case you outline, South Brisbane, is in fact the coalitions prefered model. They WANT the incumbent telco, Telstra, to provide the f...

7 hours ago by GregoryB1 on Five pros and cons of the NBN

Cybersecurity #collaboration between the US & Australia. http://t.co/p2uKLSBi

So, over time, the Coalition policy will cost much much more than Labor's because they intend to subsidise the broadband of farmers and t...

7 hours ago by GregoryB1 on Malaysia held up as NBN king

Any form of science training counts against you as a politician, in the coalition parties, doubly so. There may be others who keep quiet...

7 hours ago by GregoryB1 on NBN FUD: will Abbott ever learn?

Qld govt IT to be cleaned up by audit http://t.co/r4oNuNW8 #qldpol

Travel Tech Q and A: Skyscanner's Ewan Gray http://t.co/7ZfXZk19

Microsoft is serious about open source: 10 proof points | ZDNet http://t.co/2OtDR11D

Sex Tech: Faceporn win, Parental revenge porn, Google: No Porn ...: Google opposes UK porn filters, a fake porn ... http://t.co/0OR87oEt

Q&A of the Week: 'The current state of the cybercrime ecosystem' featuring Mikko Hypponen http://t.co/6lUYFs0X

RT @DellEnterprise: Dell Secureworks talks with ZDNet about Android's biggest #security flaws - http://t.co/LSFLQVFq #infosec

NBN users opt for 100Mbps: Customers are picking the top fibre plan that is available on the National Broadband ... http://t.co/sjtFSU3g

"Customers are picking the top fibre plan that is available on the National Broadband Network (NBN), more than a... http://t.co/M3P24Htn

RT @CorrieB: An iPad for every child: Inevitable or impossible? http://t.co/I7uS8l9s Thx to @timbuckteeth for this; http://t.co/jxkqIRIp

RT @MADinMelbourne: roxon "will enable more families to access credit" @MLolderandwiser: Privacy Act amendments http://t.co/Mv4c7PC2 via @zdnetaustralia

NBN users opt for 100Mbps - ZDNet Australia http://t.co/fLfHMzPn #australia #technews

RT @konradski: Whaddayaknow - turns out Wi-Fi CAN interfere with a plane's navigation systems http://t.co/ospQCU2S

This story has been voted 5 times in the last 24 hours!

20 hours ago, NBN's Tassie upgrade to cost $1.3 million

NBN users opt for 100Mbps - Communications - News - ZDNet Australia: NBN users opt for 100Mbps - Communications ... http://t.co/btB9gKWg

NBN users opt for 100Mbps http://t.co/xKqEb4bE via @zdnetaustralia

Biometric bugs too dangerous for public? http://t.co/8JLz5tdF via @zdnetaustralia

Exploring: http://t.co/rT7RPZLA

War talk dominates #AusCERT 2012 - http://t.co/SlBpMj0c - #security #cyber

Travel Tech Q&A: Skyscanner's Ewan Gray http://t.co/vYexrDwu #ipad

Exploring: http://t.co/YNVjdrct

Exploring: Travel Tech Q and A: Skyscanner's Ewan Gray: Ewan Gray, Skyscanner's director for Asia ... http://t.co/bNLCyobv #ICTChallenge

This story has been voted 12000 times in the last 24 hours!

3 days ago, Is Bill Gates a great leader?

Facebook Activity

Keep up with ZDNet Australia

ZDNet Events Calendar

ZDNet Events Calendar