Vodafone users rage at ongoing 3G woes

Vodafone Hutchison Australia's 3G network continues to struggle under the weight of its customers despite it having claimed that a software fix would resolve issues at the end of last month.

Phone rage

(334/365 this is a phoooonne!!! image by Lazurite, CC BY-ND 2.0)

The company recently announced that it plans to upgrade its 850MHz network, which would involve 1500 new sites — 400 of which should now be live. But that hasn't stopped VHA customers taking to both Twitter and broadband enthusiast website Whirlpool over the last month in droves to voice their complaints about the network's poor coverage and slow 3G download speeds. The latest Whirlpool forum thread has reached over 90 pages.

Last month, Vodafone social media employee Kirsty responded to initial criticism of the network's performance on Whirlpool, stating the issue was software-related.

"We want to let you know that we've uncovered a software fault that is affecting data throughput on our network. We're now working to correct the fault, and we expect to have more stable software installed on the network before the end of November," she said. "Once the new software is installed, we'll be putting extra capacity into the network to better support your 3G data usage."

However, the end of November has come and gone and customers are still suffering from outages, blackspots and slow 3G connections. The company yesterday was still informing customers on its Twitter account that there were "known issues" in Sydney.

Users in Melbourne were also experiencing similar issues, with one Twitter user advising others against signing up with the telco this morning.

"Word to the wise: avoid the #Vodafone Australia network. Has been congested for months, now not working in Melbourne CBD. Useless. Pass it on," he tweeted.

Dan Gee from Sydney, a Vodafone customer since 2001, had up until recently been pleased with the service and coverage offered by VHA, but recent issues with the network and the way the telco has handled his complaint has forced him to look to alternative carriers.

"I had just assumed that [the poor coverage] was in part where I lived at the time — in a valley in a heavily wooded area, and the rest of the family had occasional connection issues too. It was when in Melbourne at the end of October with two friends also on Vodafone (on my recommendation) and we were trying to check emails, Twitter and look up maps and restaurants and other touristy things [when] we all realised that something wasn't right."

In the middle of November, Gee moved to Granville and found it was nearly impossible to get coverage.

"Trying to get anything done with the phone is just impossible."

Gee said that the support he received on Twitter from the telco was helpful, but said they would only tell him there were "no known issues" and redirect him to call the Vodafone support hotline.

Getting in contact with Vodafone's telephone support isn't as quick as a tweet, however. A number of customers have informed ZDNet Australia that the current wait on Vodafone's technical support line ranges up to 90 minutes. One operator told a customer that there were 400 people in the queue at one point. Gee said that the minimum turnaround time he experienced was half an hour.

"And because I don't trust my mobile, this is done blocking up my office phone at work," he said. "The first phone call was vaguely offensive [telling me to] turn it off, turn it on, you'll need to reset all your phone's basic settings."

Gee was told by the operator to reset all his iPhone personal settings because certain apps can affect network connectivity but that did not solve the issues. No suggestions put forward by Vodafone eased his problems and Gee said he would be taking the issue to the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman at the close of business on Wednesday.

"I've always been pleased with their service and coverage, so was more than happy to recommend their service to friends when they were looking to get an iPhone contract with a service provider. They kind of all hate me for that now," he said. "I definitely won't be recommending them to anyone else, and I'll be seeking ways to exit my own contract as soon as my current issues are resolved, or not."

Sydney PR agency director Vuki Vujasinovic only recently signed a 24-month contract with the telco but found it impossible to get coverage in Newtown when he moved there three months ago.

"3G reception has become shocking, but now worst of all, I can't even take most calls. I am constantly receiving messages from Vodafone telling me I have new voicemail, but the phone hadn't even rung," he said. "I'm missing out on vital business calls because the reception in Newtown is non-existent at times."

Vujasinovic said when he complained to Vodafone he was told the company could only guarantee coverage in the house at which he registered his contract in.

"My pointing out that it is a 'mobile' phone [and] I need to use it in places other than the home it was registered in, fell on deaf ears," he added. "It's gotten particularly worse recently and it has become virtually impossible to run my business with my phone, so I'm going to try and have my contract cut short and move to a network that I know has better reception in my area."

It's gotten particularly worse recently and it has become virtually impossible to run my business with my phone, so I'm going to try and have my contract cut short and move to a network that I know has better reception in my area.

Vuki Vujasinovic

Elissa Freeman, director of policy and campaigns with the Australian Communications Consumer Action Network (ACCAN), said her organisation had been speaking with customers affected by the problems on the Vodafone network and had been monitoring the telco's interactions with customers on Twitter.

"This problem has been known publicly for at least six weeks. We have had moments at which Vodafone has made some public statements about problems on the network, but what we continue to see is poor advice going to customers and in some cases outright wrong advice about problems with the network," she told ZDNet Australia.

Freeman said the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman (TIO) was the best place for customers to go to if they're being given the run around by their telco.

"Customers are entitled to remedies including release from contracts or some form of reimbursement if the service isn't operating correctly. But really it's about customers demanding respect from their providers," she said. "People are usually pretty good at understanding that problems do happen from time to time but they do want to know they're being given timely and accurate information about those problems."

"These sorts of denials and inconsistent advice about coverage issues do undermine the relationship telcos have with their customers and do a disservice to the industry as a whole," she added.

The TIO told ZDNet Australia that it could not comment on issues with specific service providers.

In Vodafone's submission to the Australian Communications and Media Authority's recent customer service discussion paper, the company said it had over 1.535 million customers using 3G services as of 30 June 2010. The company claimed in its submission that a peak of complaints from customers around the time of the release of the iPhone 4 was due to customers seeking to get a free mobile handset upgrade to the iPhone 4.

In a statement provided to ZDNet Australia, Vodafone said the 3G network connectivity issues had been mostly resolved.

"We did identify some issues that intermittently affected voice and data services for some customers. Our engineers have been working to restore full network services and rectified most of these issues last weekend and the network is now back in a steady state," the telco said.

This week Vodafone Hutchison Australia won the Mobile Service Provider of the Year award at the 2010 Frost & Sullivan Australia Best Practices Awards.

Talkback

Thanks for the info, they were saying it was because of my old iphone 3g and I had to buy a new phone.
I think I'll just change phone companies instead.

andrewdwandrewdw December 2nd, 2010
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Same thing is happening in NZ. Shocking 3G Speeds. I was in Auckland CBD, and the Vodafone NZ 3G Network was almost like Dialup.

LukeChandlerLukeChandler December 2nd, 2010
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It has made my mobile USB useless - metro Melbourne or Sydney. Makes a bit of a joke of "Mobile Service Provider of the Year" - who decided that - not a customer I bet! Good job we have choices elsewhere.

PCIPTYPCIPTY December 2nd, 2010
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I have had mine since August and the issues from VFA have been blamed on my iphone 4. I can't get reception in most parts of Sydney. I also discovered this week that the reason I cant send emails using the VFA smpt server is that VFA have been in an intercarrier dispute since July. My standard response to people who complain about the service with VFA is that their deals are so good as there is no way you could use your phone to use up all the included calls! It's beyond a joke.

trishvtrishv December 2nd, 2010
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Completely sick of Vodafone, ive been a Vodafone customer for nearly 12 years now and it has been excellent up until about a year ago... Since then i have approximately 3 to 4 hours EVERY day where i cant make a single phone call or send a single text. But when i try to call Vodafone to complain, i get told the queue is nearly 2 hours long!!! How can a telco operate a business from this? I also sent them an email venting my outrage last week and was told that if i enter my customer support PIN i would receive priority assistance. I sent this email last Wednesday! so far 1 week later isnt priority service!

F**K YOU VODAFONE!

BioxideBioxide December 2nd, 2010
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yesterday, a speedtest reported my download speed at 10kbps. seriously!
today the upload is 0kbps.
Sydney CBD.
if only it was a joke.
Vf Mumbai call centre claim my phone is faulty. yet I get >5500kbps with a Telstra sim.
TIO will be busy.

gikkugikku December 2nd, 2010
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Im getting timeouts in speed test in surfers paradise :'(

BioxideBioxide December 2nd, 2010
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Vodafone's poor service and reception has been well known for years. It's hard to feel much sorrow for anyone who signs with them.

ptorningptorning December 2nd, 2010
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Well it was better than 3 Mobiles service, but i guess that now vodafone and 3 ave merged we are starting to see the 3 'quality' service infect vodafone.... (*sigh*)

Time to look for a new carrier maybe, hmm,
Ok, so i've been on:
Optus/Virgin - shocking coverage
3 - crap service and half the phone centre staff don't speak english
Telstra - Never tell the truth.
and now Vodafone, getting dropped and missed calls all the time.

is there ANYONE else?
ANYONE that might give good service or is the mobile business just a terminal case?
maybe i should just give the whole mobile phone game away, i'd certainly reduce my radiation exposure.

mweavermweaver December 2nd, 2010
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Personally i think the problem is demand. 10 years ago there wasnt enough demand for Mobile phones and the Telco had to care about the customer for the customer to want to sign up to a mobile plan.

These days mobiles are more of a necessity which unfortunately means that the Telco doesnt feel the need to care. Its a crappy thing but its how most businesses run these days *sigh*

BioxideBioxide December 2nd, 2010
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All I can say is roll on, NBN! Once fibre takes the bulky data use for 93% of us (i.e. all cities and large towns), and 97% of us have a committed minimum 12 Mbps bandwidth wireless signal, it will be a different ballgame, and may the best retail service providers win!

umbriaumbria December 2nd, 2010
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Disgusted with VF reception in Sydney CBD & Darling Harbour ... where is the best place to log a complaint ? On ZDNet, Whirpool or by calling VF direct ?

gourangagouranga December 2nd, 2010
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There is a reason why some Telco's are more expensive than others.

bourbobourbo December 2nd, 2010
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I just signed up on the weekend. It seems a little flaky from time to time but it's significantly better than Optus. I'm happy enough.

tunacrusttunacrust December 2nd, 2010
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These c**kheads charged me an additional $200 in excess usage because my internet security kept repeatedly getting timed out at the ZoneAlarm server after downloading 64% of 120Mb. The updater kept trying but 3Mobile was too slow for the whole updates to successfully come down to my PC, and yes, I did go into excess - but only and directly because the 3Mobile was constantly f**cked. Some days I couldn't even get an internet connection !
3Mobile constantly lied about the problems they were having - said their network was functioning perfectly. I hated having to try to decipher the heavy accents of the people working in their offshore call centre(s), and I hate their corporate dishonesty. 3Mobile must be the worst ISP operating in Australia - even worse than Telstra, whose lack of competitiveness first inspired me to join 3.

zeudbergzeudberg December 2nd, 2010
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It's been several months of denial by Vodafone.

Even after now being picked up by the media for a second time, there has still been no formal advice to customers on the Network Status page of Vodafones Website.

Up until a few days ago at least, customers were still being told in the offical VF twitter support forum, that there were "No known outages".

It's Customer Service at it's worst

andysaandysa December 2nd, 2010
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I was in Melbourne this week and could not use my iPhone. I had no way of checking emails, banking or anything while in Melbourne. I've been a Vodafone customer for almost 10 years now but if I wasn't under a contract I would have walked into another carriers dealer and ported my number across to them. I'm now counting down the days for when my contract ends and I will be moving my business elsewhere.

Vodafone have not done a thing for many years with their network coverage in country areas. You can't even drive from Melbourne to Mildura or Swan Hill and have Vodafone coverage. The other two networks you can travel into these areas and have coverage. I have written many a letter to Vodafone about this very issue and was told that one of the biggest reasons Vodafone loses customers is because of network coverage in the country. So their answer to that was to spend millions of dollars on their network in the cities and do nothing in the country. I live in outback NSW and yes we have Vodafone coverage but only because we're on the main highway between Sydney and Adelaide. I was so happy to be back home from Melbourne because I was going to have 3G data working again.

I can not believe in this day and age carriers would let their networks go down hill like Vodafone has. This is the second time I've heard of Vodafone having data issues. You would think they would have learnt from the first time.

Vodafone needs to get off their backsides and improve their network before they have no customers to have a working network.

One good thing about Vodafone is I've never had a problem that wasn't fixed up quickly. They have been great in times when you couldn't pay your account on time and would give you time to pay. Those type of things make Vodafone good to deal with but that's starting to wear very thin.

phad4630phad4630 December 2nd, 2010
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If you all are having such a hard time (im in tassie so im not affected) have you contacted Vodafone on Twitter as the article says the team have kept people updated and have been assisting customers... I hate contacting my service provider over the phone so twitter and facebook have become a great means to do it

Just a suggestion

jeshy134jeshy134 December 2nd, 2010
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I dont understand why a higher power such as the ACCC or the TIO hasn't taken appropriate action against VHA. Someone should step in and stop VHA from treating its customers like this, or at the bare minimum stop allowing VHA to sign new customers until ALL issues are completely resolved.

I dont think online forums, VHA customer support, TIO etc are the best way to go. Whats stopping more people from taking this to the TV, get it on the news and maybe VHA will actually notice that hey.... PEOPLE ARE ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!

BioxideBioxide December 2nd, 2010
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As I said above try them on twitter, cant avoid you in a very public space

jeshy134jeshy134 December 2nd, 2010
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Unfortunately, their response and help in Twitter in regards to this issue, is just as useless as their phone based customer service.

They are in damage control and are trying to play down the seriousness of this situation.

andysaandysa December 2nd, 2010
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I complained to the Ombudsman, described to Vodafone what the broadband usage was like, got my plan cancelled & went to Optus - happy as hell now...

Rex AlfieRex Alfie December 2nd, 2010
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It is a very good idea for everyone with a problem to complain to the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman (TIO). The good news is that the TIO will charge Vodafone for the cost of every investigation that it conducts. If that does not give the message to Voda, then nothing will!

ptorningptorning December 3rd, 2010
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I agree telco Ombudsman is the best way to go. After frustrating few months with Vodafone.rang the Ombudsman, and within the week Vodafone rang me to tell me they were letting me out of the contract, with no charges,but had to return handset. Thanks Ombudsman, would highly recommend.

wtarkkawtarkka May 3rd, 2011
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If you want good coverage, go with Telstra.
You get what you paid for.
I was a Vodafone customer since 1998 and gave up on them years ago.

Never looked back since.

BnHBnH December 2nd, 2010
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Customer since 1998 and the last 4 months i've been considering moving cause of the **** service as well. Im only 10k out from the city and the service is pretty poor. so much for some amusement on the bus or catching up on those emails. have been looking at telstra plans for the last few months now.

xzzyxzzy December 3rd, 2010
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3G? I can only get 2G at home and at work (where Vodafone wont upgrade the in-building cell). In recent months, even the 2G data network has failed.

I've noticed in the past few months, the deals offered by Vodafone have been unbelievably good. They upgraded me mid-contract (that's unheard of) by upping my allowance and reducing my monthly fee. Now they have brought out Infinite Plans. This sounds like One.Tel all over... hard to pass up plans before going belly-up.

goldcoastguygoldcoastguy December 3rd, 2010
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Around this time last week I went weeks without 3G coverage at home in Wahroonga. I had to switch to 2G to make and receive calls. It would come back with low coverage, then disappear again for days. That went on for months. It's better than it was - it now access something called "Edge" - but even that can disappear for a few hours at a time. I made several calls to their customer service who went through the script, including suggesting I try my SIM on someone elses phone. They didn't seem to accept that:

phone doesn't work at home + phone works elsewhere = network problem at home

Yet I bought a phone and committed to a plan based on the fact that their coverage map showed solid green all over this area.

I still get frequent call drop outs. I'm surprised that Telco systems don't have the smarts to track frequent drop outs, try to fix them and notify the customer what they're doing. You know, be proactive.

phildobbiephildobbie December 3rd, 2010
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Dumped this carrier years ago. BS Excuse after BS excuse and nothing ever got better. I was with them when they brought out the $39.00 5Gb wireless plan. In some places I couldn't even log on. As much as I said I would never return to Telstra, since some of their new plans have come out, they are getting quite competitive and their network is fantastic. Never had a call dropout, data throughput is excellent and you are not waiting on the phone when you ring customer support for more than a few minutes usually and most time you talk to someone in Australia. Yes it still is a little more expensive then the others but I think there is a price on reliability, customer service and your sanity. The "Lara" recorded customer service thing just about did my head in and the wait times were appauling. Do as I did, ring the Obudsman, tell them your problem and ask to be released from this carriers contract. I was out after six months of being stuffed around by them.

brisbris December 3rd, 2010
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My Vodaphone coverage has recently been woeful - I am in North Sydney and have had serious problems making calls (and probably receiving them, I wouldn't know) and sending texts. I followed their advice including a reset all settings on my iPhone 3GS (whch just stuffed up my contacts by randomly deleting some of them). As it is a business tool, this is beyond frustrating

SpodeSpode December 3rd, 2010
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Phew! I honestly thought it was just me. I recently built a house north of Perth CBD and originally (up to about 6 months ago) had full signal and awesome 3G speeds (my tethered phone was my only internet connection for months). The all of a suddent, I dropped to half signal and slow 3G speeds. I assumed it was due to more houses being built in the area and didn't worry about it.

Recent travelling around the state (and even around Perth) started dropping cell signals, I started missing calls, and 3G was non-existent in some places. At times, if your SMS fails to send, take a step to the left and try again - and it sometimes works. Weird.

Since the end of last month, I have seen a much improved signal, but still not as good as it was, and still with drop-outs. Combine this with VFA only JUST fixing the DNS issue with their "MyVodafone" website (for checking usage, etc) when on their 3G network (helpful), this company is looking more like a bad choice for my handset. A shame. I still feel they are better than anyone except Telstra, and the big "T" just can't compete for price, data inclusion, etc. A real shame.

MoWebMoWeb December 4th, 2010
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Like some others here, I WAS with Vodafone for more than 12 years: I had my first mobile phone with them. I thought the poor service and poor coverage was just because I shifted to a regional city, but it seems as though Vodafone are now terrible no matter where you are! Poor coverage, poor service, poor call centres...
I have shifted to Tel$tra, and although the process hasn't been smooth & the call caps aren't quite what they are with other telcos, at least I have decent coverage wherever I go. Plus T has a retail store in my city: they are the only telco who does.
Hey Vodafone, maybe stop worrying about sponsoring sporting tournaments and the like, and concentrate on providing decent, Australian customer service.

jarrod11jarrod11 December 6th, 2010
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I have an iPhone 4 on a 24 month contract including monthly payments for the handset. If I complain to the TIO and have my contract cancelled, will I loose the handset and have to get another one through another carrier or will I simply inherit the handset enabling me to get a BYO handset plan somewhere else?

FruvFruv December 6th, 2010
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Its woeful in Brisbane too, I have been met with the same thing, contact the help line. I cant do this on my phone obviously cause it wont stay connected more then a few minutes, and I am not going ot stand at a public phone box for hours just to get to talk to support. It is at the point where I am just going to give the damn phone back.

wiz1974wiz1974 December 7th, 2010
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I'm confused.. I didn't think Vodafone ran a 850Mhz 3G network. Isn't their rural frequency 900Mhz, and their metro 2100Mhz?

matdebweb.com.kgmatdebweb.com.kg December 21st, 2010
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Hi Matdebweb.

Yes, their current network is 900, but their upgrade will also have a new network component using 850 that they announced earlier this year will use 850. Sorry that's not clear. See more: http://www.zdnet.com.au/vha-integrates-expands-mobile-networks-339306748.htm

Suzanne Tindal, News Editor

suzanne.tindalsuzanne.tindal December 22nd, 2010
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Vodafone absolutley sucs. I just spent 1:36 hours on hold waiting for an answer. Then the operator put the phone down on me because he couldn't answer the questions. Another hour of holding and all I got was garbage.

Pease, please lets sue them and drive them out of business.

WarrenWarren December 27th, 2010
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I've been with Telstra Pre-Paid for 4 years now, with a Nokia 6120 classic. I was out in the MIDDLE OF NOWHERE 4wding and we were on the internet checking the weather on 1 bar 3G. my friend with vodafone had no hope. at ALL.

yes, i will say, their customer support is a bit rubbish at times, but you rarely need to ring them up as their billing system flaws have MAINLY been ironed out (i've encountered a few but they are all fixed now) and i've never needed technical support as the phone is dead simple to fix. its called the Restore Factory Defaults option ;)

yes, you will pay more, but remember 'you gotta pay for quality'. if you want to take important business calls anywhere, i can only recommend Telstra and their NextG network. its never let me down, and i can say, from personal experience, it works just about anywhere you do.

clooyenclooyen April 25th, 2011
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