Turnbull decries 'Rolls-Royce' satellites

The opposition has said that the Federal Government opted for an unnecessary "Rolls-Royce" communications system by paying $620 million for two new satellites to provide high-speed broadband to remote parts of Australia.

NBN Co, the government-owned enterprise rolling out the National Broadband Network (NBN), has signed a deal with US firm Loral Space and Communications to make the satellites.

About 200,000 homes and businesses in the nation's most remote regions will have access to internet speeds similar to those available in urban centres when the satellites are launched in 2015.

"Don't buy yourself a Camry, a Falcon — buy yourself a Rolls-Royce, a Bentley," Opposition Communications spokesperson Malcolm Turnbull told reporters in Canberra on Wednesday.

"Nothing but the best will do, nothing but the most expensive will do."

Turnbull said the industry had told him there was enough capacity on existing and scheduled-to-be-launched satellites to provide broadband services to rural and remote Australia.

As well, the existing interim satellite service could be upgraded to a permanent one.

"Why does the government have to pay over $1 billion in total in building, launching, flying these satellites of their own?" Turnbull said.

NBN Co declined to comment on opposition policy, but told ZDNet Australia that it has already secured much of the currently available commercial capacity with its Interim Satellite Solution, which will serve up to 48,000 premises. The newly contracted satellites will have to serve 200,000 premises.

The opposition has committed a future coalition government to a cost-benefit analysis on the best possible way to provide fast, affordable broadband to all Australians.

Under the $35.9 billion NBN project, fibre-optic cable delivering high-speed broadband services will be rolled out to 93 per cent of Australia's 13 million homes, schools and businesses by 2021.

Fixed-wireless technology will provide high-speed internet to 4 per cent of premises, and the remaining 3 per cent will be supplied by the two satellites to remote areas.

Turnbull said the opposition was opposed to the NBN plan in its present form.

Instead, it would pursue a mix of technologies, including fibre, hybrid-fibre coaxial cables, wireless and satellites, to achieve its version of a broadband network.

But he acknowledged contracts such as the satellite deal announced on Wednesday could be hard to cancel if the coalition wins the next election, likely in late 2013.

"They are putting contracts in place and we may have to live with it," Turnbull said.

"There is nothing I can do about that."

Josh Taylor contributed to this article.

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FFS, these daily waffles emanating from the opposition remind me of the saying about circumcision and no end...!

BetaBeta February 8th, 2012
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These prehistoric twits are never happy. One minute FTTH is an "extravagance" and a "waste" (with the Vic liberals asking for more of that extravagant waste) and we need to use a mix of technologies (just for the sake of using different technologies of course) THEN when you use those other technologies for the remaining 7% it’s "bububu cancer rays! lay more fibre!" and "OMG them satellites are expensive!" I guess this dummy forgot that his redundant patchwork plan also includes satellites and how do you improve speeds for those 7% without launching more satellites? Well if you are Abbott you’d probably say "uh, I dunno, peak speed?" and if you are Turnbull you’ll say "Oh you know, the private sector can handle the rest, yay!"

Hubert CumberdaleHubert Cumberdale February 8th, 2012
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NBN co can launch "rolls Royce " satellites cause they are spending other people's money. However Mr Turnbull is doing himself no favors by simply being critical of everything NBN co does.

DoubtDoubt February 8th, 2012
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And who are these other people?

BetaBeta February 8th, 2012
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I do not know, probably the Chinese government as they seem to be bankrolling Oz at present. I don't think NBN co has shared with the public the source of these capital funds.

DoubtDoubt February 8th, 2012
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Really...

http://www.smh.com.au/business/government-goes-global-to-raise-3b-needed-for-national-network-20110710-1h91o.html

BetaBeta February 8th, 2012
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Well there you go, now we know who's money is being used to fund those satellites.

DoubtDoubt February 8th, 2012
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And some, as you said, may indeed be Chinese...!

BetaBeta February 8th, 2012
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I had no doubt that I was correct.

DoubtDoubt February 8th, 2012
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Well after all there are (arguably) 196 countries of which China is 1, so you are just over 0.5% correct, which is a vast improvement on your normal 0 ;-)

BetaBeta February 8th, 2012
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They are one of the few countries with any money to spend. Perhaps a calculation of dollar amounts would be more relevant.

DoubtDoubt February 8th, 2012
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Oh, I was just being facetious :-)

But fancy that though, those big bad commies being one of the only countries with money to spend?

BetaBeta February 8th, 2012
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Yes well we all do keep buying stuff from them.

DoubtDoubt February 8th, 2012
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Other people = tax payers.

What Turnbull is really saying is "the current government wants to give you one of the best networks in the world and give you excellent broadband internet but we will spend a bunch of money giving you the most half arsed solution we can come up with just to keep the status quo because change is bad so vote for us next election!"

JinglesJingles February 8th, 2012
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Stick with ringing the bells Jingles.

DoubtDoubt February 8th, 2012
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All you "hands down" voters, this post was very funny!

DoubtDoubt February 9th, 2012
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Perhaps small thing amuse small minds ;-)

BetaBeta February 9th, 2012
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May be so, but we do need to lighten up some of these people who are so serious. poor old fibretech nearly brings tears to the eyes and jingles didn't like my bell joke. All a bit sad really.

DoubtDoubt February 9th, 2012
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Turnbull has clearly lost it. Tonight on the 7:30 report he has stated that we can achieve all the imaginable AND unimaginable benifits of fast broadband with existing infrastructure. He is clearly on top of the unimaginable benifits already? Why does he need a cost benifit analysis again?

omegaomega February 8th, 2012
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Question is for how long will it be sufficient and what is a sufficient service?

The other thing is because the launch cost of a camry and a rolls is the same, you do not launch anything other than the most gold plated pimped out roller. And once the bird is in orbit you can either sell it on task, or retask it to suit an international buyer. Alternatively you can sell it off transponder/beam by transponder/beam.

....Although thinking satellite privatisations brings back memories of Aussat (which was then renamed Optus).

adavionadavion February 8th, 2012
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This is why fibre optics is great value for money.

When wirless or satellite is upgraded it requires a complete change of hardware at high cost.

When fibre is upgraded it only requires the media convertors or ONT to be upgraded and the fibre which is in the ground (or air) remains the same. So to upgrade fibre is far cheaper than wirelss or satellite.

Looking at how much the internet has grown in the past 10 years it would be reasonable to say that we should budget on experiencing at least half that growth again within the next 10 years.

So the question is, will this system be upgradable at a reasonble cost or will the whole system need to be upgraded and if so, at what cost?
Being financially responsible is to find the best solution with the forsight to see how much use there will be in the future for this infostructure, not the cheapest way out for now.

fibretechfibretech February 9th, 2012
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I have been part of the Government Broadband guarantee for the past 4 years & installing some hundreds (possibly over a thousand) of IPstar internet systems for both households and business I can safely say that satellite internet is no match to any terrestrial based system.

Apart from the latency factor which is the major stumbling block with satellite, there is also the discrepancy of value for money. While most people in the city enjoy large download limits at high speeds(i.e 100GB+ p/m @ 8mb or higher for around $60), satellite users are lucky to get 15% bandwith & download limit for around the same price as city users enjoy (i.e 10GB to 15GB p/m @ 512kb for $60).

What we are looking for is some form of equality & value for money or something that is close to.

Most people have never used satellite & don't understand is the problems associated with satellite and wireless internet.
These being degraded QOS due to latency (satellite distance being the factor), cross polarization due to cloud cover, rain & storms to the point of no internet for possibly days, cross pol due to bush fires which anyone who has experienced this can tell you that gum tree's when burning cause eucalyptus to evaporate into the air which cross pols the signal all together causing a complete back out of service.

Unfortunatly I live in a small country town which won't get fibre because we only have 500 people & will probably miss out on wireless. Our towns communications relys on a single microwave transmitter which when lightning strikes, or we have storms or there is bush fires we lose all our communications........

This means we cannot even call the fire, police or emergency services so I am speaking from experience not just babbling because I dont like the sums.

My suggestion is to give the politicans the same QOS that the people in the bush have because if its good enough for the people in the bush to get minimum standard then it should be good enough for all members of parliment to also use the same minimum standard of service!

I am not just complaining for the sake of it. My experience in the industry for almost 2 life times has proven this.
I have been in the communications industry for almost 35 years - trained and qualified as an electronics tech (component level) & having successfully run my own communications business for most of my working life. I am qualified in telecommunications, fibre optics, radio communications. My company has been installing satellite communications for internet since 1996 well before the Government Broadband Guarantee was evern thought of.

If we are going to spend this amount of money on this service then lets get it right and make it fair for all.

fibretechfibretech February 9th, 2012
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I would love to see the politicians houses connected to satelite internet for 3 months, especially the homes with kids/teenagers in them. Then I would love to see them connect to television only over the internet; just one of the imagined uses for high speed internet. Then switch off the satelite internet connection to their homes any time connections are disrupted in small towns like yours.

Bet they'd be screaming for FTTP nation wide within the first month.

djdoverdjdover February 13th, 2012
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I absolutely agree. Having lived with Satelite for 12 months as couldn't get any other service at my property. Expensive, Latency is terrible, QOS drops whenever the weather is unfavourable.

I disagree with Turnbull that this is rolls royce, but agree it is not the right solution. FTTH to all, regardless of cost is the only mechanism to bring equity to the bush. As far as I am concerned, the future of Australia and the Bush is the internet, and if we could afford to run copper once upon a time, we can surely afford to run fibre. The investment in the future of our nation is surely worth it.

SivrajSivraj February 17th, 2012
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Also, lets not forget that you probably wont have to stray far outside of major regional centres to be pushed onto satelite ....

SivrajSivraj February 17th, 2012
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