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Titstorm 'irresponsible', says Conroy
Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has called attacks on government websites meant as a protest against his planned filtering scheme "totally irresponsible".
Stephen Conroy at AusCERT
(Credit: Liam Tung & Ed Tran/ZDNet.com.au)
"Denial-of-service [DOS] attacks on government websites are totally irresponsible and potentially deny services to the Australian public," a spokesperson for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said in a statement to ZDNet.com.au.
"The government welcomes public debate on the merits of ISP [internet service provider] filtering, but denial-of-service attacks are not a legitimate form of political statement."
The attacks, claimed to have been led by a group called Anonymous and dubbed "Operation Titstorm", hit the Australian Parliament House and Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy websites this morning.
At 2:00pm the Department of Broadband's website was live again while parliament's remained down. At 2:20pm the Department of Immigration's website was not responsive. Despite this, the Department of Immigration responded to queries by stating that it was functioning "without issue".
Anonymous appeared to be using Internet Relay Chat (IRC) to coordinate the attack, with chat members saying they planned to further the attacks to other government websites, including the Department of Immigration's and the National Security website.
"KEEP HITTING APH [Australian Parliament House] AND IMMI [Immigration], hit nationalsecurity.gov.au if you have resources," said IRC user Snafu.
"[These] servers are held up by a piece of string and a slab of scotch tape," said a chat user with the handle Lolollol.
Technology experts group SAGE-AU also condemned the attacks.
"While SAGE-AU believes that imminent internet filtering legislation will fail to work, it has condemned DOS attacks as the wrong way to express disagreement with the proposed law."
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Anonymous February 10th, 2010giggle
Hilarious that Anonymous' attack on the government websites is stopping people from using them, which is irresponsible, but government stopping people using websites is fine.
thoughts?
Anonymous February 10th, 2010I agree with you
That the government is happy to inflict denial of service upon any Australian seeking to visit a site the government deems ‘unwanted’ pretty much leads to frustrated Australian internet users responding in kind.
Especially considering the sheer arrogance of Conroy with his mocking, laughing at and just plain ignoring the vast number of orthodox protesters to his plans for censorship lunacy.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010Agree
@giggle.
Completely agree. Not to mention its okay to march through the CBD and stop services/traffic etc to the public but digital versions are not ok?
Another example of this goverments Luddite like views.
Anonymous February 10th, 2010Huh?
"Denial-of-service [DOS] attacks on government websites are totally irresponsible and potentially deny services to the Australian public," a spokesperson for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said
THATS WHAT THE FILTER IS DOING.... why does this guy still have a job?
Anonymous February 10th, 2010condemned the attacks..
well it seems that they are not listening to the voices of the people
so what do we have left? DOD attack on the their sites proves people wont take this rubbish laying down
Still a DOD attack is working on these sites?
great IT department the government must have.....
Anonymous February 10th, 2010Irony
I think its ironic that Minister Conroy calls these attacks irresponsible as they may potentially deny services to the public. Isn't that the entire point of the protest? To show that no one should deny information to the public. It's a bit like bus drivers during the Civil Rights movement complaining that African Americans were denying people seats in the front of the bus
Anonymous February 10th, 2010Why?
Why is it okay for them to censor what they see as inappropriate and when Anonymous does it, it's "irresponsible"?
Anonymous February 10th, 2010Because Goebells Conroy believe he's on a mission for the Furher
Conroy is demonstrating his mistaken belief that he knows better than the general public and thus the removal of human rights via censorship is perfectly justified.
If you don't like what you find on the internet, stop searching for it or ignore it.
As for the 'what about the little kiddies' rants how about taking responsibility for what you let children look at.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010I hate this plan
"The government welcomes public debate on the merits of ISP filtering" What about public debate on the stupidity, or damage that it will do to our IT industry.
What investor will take an IT startup here seriously when during the presentation they can't get to their own site or another specific one that has been innadvertently blocked.
I hate this plan with every fibre of my being. I am not about to join the DOS but I have protested peacfully and will continue to do so, my vote has changed and I don't know what I will do if it goes through, probably subvert it and teach anyone who wants to know how to.
Anonymous February 10th, 2010geneus
i see these attacks as a good thing!
if the goverment wants to stop people from using there basic rights of freedom of speech over the internet, people should stand against it.
by commiting to these attacks i think that these people are showing the goverment wat these laws will do to people involved in porn (most are honist people making a living) by censoring the goverments sites
i hope these attacks contunue
Anonymous February 10th, 2010Is it open for debate?
"The government welcomes public debate on the merits of ISP [internet service provider] filtering". Oh yeah? Seriously? Thats a two faced lie. I haven't found anyone who regularly uses the internet who agrees with the filter, and everyone from ISP's, users, to myself have already stated why the filters are useless (many times, in detail). Any sensible political party should have listened by now and agreed. They would only be effective if they arrested people from anonymising themselves on the internet (they already tried that in SA though, and that would spark riots VERY quickly).
Everyone on the internet knows that there are already ways to protect kids, and we also all know, that Tor is a 2 click free way to override the censorship anyway (making it a waste of money). This filter is aimed at parents who have never used a computer in their life, will never believe that their children do anything wrong (and even when they do, they will blame others), and finally, are too lazy to watch their kids. THE FILTER WONT WORK. And Conroy is a damned liar, it isn't up for debate. If it had been up for public debate on TV (and the blacklist was shown on TV and revealed how many legal sites were on it), the debate would be quickly lost. I'll believe you Conroy when its a public debate. Get a proper computer degree before you start making clueless computing laws.
Honestly, I think its good that anonymous is silencing the government websites, and I hope they silence the government even more during elections. After all, they aren't listening to us, and I think that living the "rich" lifestyle for so long has made them forget who voted for them
In fact, it seriously makes me consider if I want to do a proper politics/law course, so at least someone in government is qualified enough to discuss IT matters.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010SUPPORT ANONYMOUS
Full support to Anonymous on this - The Government is not listening and is decieving the people on this issue - sadly sometimes drastic actions are needed to bring the issue to light .
This is from a Labour voter for 28 years but they wont get my vote if this goes through
Anonymous February 11th, 2010Political BS
@giggle = spot on
why don't people see the BS Conroy and Co are spinning?
... but then again the majority still believe in Santa's big brother God.
Still, anything that draws attention to the real issue is a good thing. The more the merrier.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010Open letter concerning Australian Internet Censorship.
To whom it may concern, and for the unaware public.
Do not be confused about the intentions behind our attacks on various Australian government websites. Various media have falsely reported that our efforts are in defence of pornography. This is not about pornography. This is about freedom. The fact remains that under this proposed Internet censorship scheme over time the freedoms of Australians will continue to be eroded, all in the name of saving us from a threat that exists only in the minds of a vocal and very uninformed minority who wish to impose their morals and values on the public at large. We are in no way encouraging child pornography; however other courses of action should be encouraged, for Australia's "Cyber Safety Plan" creates problems in itself.
The fact is that "banned" content can be posted on ANY website, at any time; introducing these tools is only a way to silence the selected few. Once the tools are put into place, they can and will be abused, as it has happened throughout history. Costs to taxpayers are estimated to be $44.2 million. This money could be put to far better use. Furthermore, the creation of such an announced filter is in direct violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights Charter of 1948, Article 19; which states: "Everyone has the right of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."
No democratic government should ever favour one community's views over others, be it religious, political or otherwise; it is discriminatory toward minority groups. This censorship has been nothing more than a modern day prohibition and attack against freedoms that the Australian populace previously enjoyed.
We will not back down until this illicit censorship has been removed; the freedoms and rights of the Australian public must be restored. Further attacks will continue on a much larger scale in a wide variety of forms. Attempts to stop us will only bring more negative publicity to this internet censorship campaign and make the Australian government look disgraceful in the eyes of the international public.
We are Anonymous. We do not forgive. We do not forget. We are Legion. Expect us.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010Irresponsible!?
All heroic acts involve some irresponsibility!! It involves risks and courage!! Glad to see supporting comments to these heroes!!
Down to censorship and tyranny!!
Long life to Anons united at Ebauns!!
Anonymous February 11th, 2010Conroy and Co caused this mess.
No sympathy from me here Conroy and Co. You have created this monster with your pathetic censorship scheme. And in the Hungry Beast interview you know next to nothing about how RC material is handled!.
Conrudd and Co its your fault for this and serves you right!
Anonymous February 11th, 2010Denying services?
And here all this time I thought disabling the PM and Labor Party sites would be considered a _service_ to Australia... fancy that.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010Conroy doesn't want debate so he gets this instead
Basically Conroy says he wants debate and then at every opportunity he shuts it down, derails it or accuses those who question him as being supporters of filth. If he won't allow debate and won't listen to reason then this is what he gets... and you know what his filter will do NOTHING to stop this sort of thing continuing. Enjoy your pariah-dom Senator.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010Everyone has the right of opinion and expression
I am in total agreement with what Anonymous are doing.
They are only denying public access to non-essential services. I don't see any difference to an online protest like this and marching in the streets denying access to buildings, etc.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010Will Not Help The Cause!
At first I thought this was funny what Anonymous were doing and I even was saying "good on them " but after much thought I realised it was nothing more than Cyber terrorism - yes this is what it is - and that it will not help achieve what we want, you need faces and names to change politicians. Rallys and petitions are more of the way to go but even then the chances of stopping the filtering are hard and long road (look back in histor)
For those that think it's funny or ironic that they the government is compaining about the shuting down of government sites, you can't compare sites that provide information and assistance for people that really need it to those that Anonymous are trying to prevent from being filter, ie porn sites. I'm all for the porn infact my favourite fetish is cartoon porn of women (not children) with small breasts ejaculating on one another, but it will not help the cause to attack resources which are providing assistance to other people.
Make noise other ways.. Sign petitions, make mass phone calls to the department, write emails/letters complaining, hold a rally or join in other ways and make sure to let your friends, colleagues, and everyone you can know and to help out.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010Career fool
Conroy is a technically illiterate hack.
His bungles are mounting, one after the other.
NBN?
Lets see, First round cancelled, Second round overly ambitious, delayed, expensive, and already has evidence of jobs for the boys.
Not one shovel has been lifted yet.
Like a council worker, he's standing there, leaning on his shovel and waiting for the bobcat guy to rock up.
I wish we could vote to cancel the pensions of useless fools like him.
Sadly no. Like that previous crazy leader of labour, he will get a pension for life.
How do these idiots deserve that?
Most of them have all the business acumen and experience of a pope.
Career politicians. Talk the talk, never had to learn to crawl.
The only up side I can see, is that eventually his utter arrogant incompetence will become so apparent that his allies will abandon him.
The bitter irony of it all is, these catchphrase 'cyber criminals' have more competence in their fingers than the government whom are trying to restrict us.
Why are our government sourced from politics and law?
The minister for health should be a role limited to nominees who were/are the best hospital directors.
The minister for Treasury should come from the vast pool of successful businesses.
The minister for transport should have some experience in freight, and especially policing.
Why are we letting these book smart, ignorant idealists waste our freedoms, taxes and lives?
Anonymous February 11th, 2010Irresponsibility ?
First off i'd like to categorically state that this is no longer an issue isolated to Australia. Policy that effects the internet effects the world. the internet is a global info exchange system and the fact that the Australian government fails to recognize this displays a stunning degree of incompetence. Secondly civil disobedience is not irresponsible, neither is it terrorism. The difference is that terrorism is directed at a mostly unsuspecting population base inorder to force a government to action. These attacks have been directed exclusively at the Aus government.
Does anyone else see the humor in a group who is working to remove access to content accussing their detractors of doing the same thing?
Also word to the wise. The Church of Scientology didn't take Anonymous seriously at first. that was before the whole world acknowledged them for the loonies they are. The Australian government is being irresponsible in ignoring what they don't ultimately understand.
kingmob February 11th, 2010I have to agree
DDoS attacks on a government site do not workably fit the definition of "terrorism". Did the reporter (Ben Grubb) honestly feel that his life, or his livelihood, were genuinely in danger? I don't think so.
I am not "Anonymous", but I do have an interest in monitoring their activities. CONroy is well warned: once Anonymous have you in their sights THEY WON'T STOP. They are like a plague--for every ONE that you knock down 100 will rise in their place.
To keep party-political in line, each party has a "whip"--if an "anon" gets out of line he faces much more than a dressing-down by someone carrying the "title" of whip!
Anonymous WAS a small bunch of u.s. teenagers out for a bit of a lark--it is now a world-wide meme. Ignore it at your own peril.
Mic February 11th, 2010aph.gov.au still down
aph.gov.au is still inaccessible as of 11:38am, Thursday the 11th of February. How long has it been, now?
Also having trouble getting the Department of Broadband site to load, though it doesn't seem to be down entirely.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010aph.gov.au still down
2pm and still inaccesible. Also some other sites such as the cyber security bunch are offline.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010It's the 12th now
And aph.gov.au is still down.
Anonymous February 12th, 2010People should not be afraid of their governments.
Governments should be afraid of their people.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010Operation Titstorm
This is most definitely a win, just for making reporters use the word Titstorm. Thanks for the lulz anonymous.
Anonymous February 11th, 2010What is so bad about self-defense?
Finally, some heroic Patriots decided to fight for the freedom of the Internet. I condemn the Fascists in Australia and their fascist legislation and I applaud the works of Anonymous. Anonymous should shut the Australian government down permanently until they learn that freedom of speech is sacred and absolute.
Anonymous February 12th, 2010Woohoo
I'm glad these people did what they did, it makes sense when it requires millions of dollars to lobby for changes what this means is the law is unaccessible to the general public, it's only accessible to those with deep pockets. Therefore it is logical they would respond in this way especially when petitions are being ignored. Stephen Conroy and his Cooney Kevin Rudd need to taken out of the government and have their **** handed to them, especially for making accusations that anyone that isn't for the filter is a child porn supporter. That is the most ridiculous and absurd statement and basically labels anyone whos against the filter a childporn supporter which is nothing short of libel. But you know since government officials get immunity from that, well why shouldn't i have immunity??? eqaulity before the law is paramount if there is no equality then some are higher than others and thus get treated differently.
x February 12th, 2010ironic
isnt it abit ironic that Conroy thinks its irresponsible because it potentially denies the public services.
Thats what his filter will do, is it only irresponsible when others do it, i guess he thinks he gets a free pass.
I only hope that the liberals get into power with the upcoming election and conroy finds himself in a position to be kicked repeatedly in the balls.
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DOS and the Feds
Bit of a worry that this could be achieved at Fed level. Doesn't inspire confidence. And these are the 'informed' people who want us to give us an internet filter?
These aren't mission-critical systems
These attacks have been on public websites, which are resourced with only a moderate amount of server capacity and bandwidth. It seems to be standard operating procedure to not provide additional resources when the load goes up during a DDoS attack but simply let them be taken offline, or take them offline.
Parliament House website, for example, merely provides parliamentary schedules and Hansard and other non-critical data to the public. It's not that big a deal if it's not available for an hour or three.
Any systems which are actually used to run the country are handled very differently.
APH
APH is pretty mission critical for me as a reporter.
I had to email APH for senate estimate transcripts :(. So old school