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By AAP, and Darren Pauli, ZDNet.com.au on April 14th, 2011 

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A Sydney Council will shell out $3 million of an estimated $4 million to replace IT products including its Hewlett-Packard (HP) and Motorola fleets in its boycott of products linked to Israel.

The Greens-dominated council is set to ditch a string of companies from concrete suppliers to car manufacturers Holden and Volvo, which are alleged to support Israel's occupation of Palestine, according to News Limited.

Marrickville Greens mayor Fiona Byrne was involved in Marrickville Council's adoption of a ban on Israeli products in line with the Global BSD Movement in protest over Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

A council business paper revealed a hit list of companies to either be banned from doing business with council or have their existing contracts cancelled.

The companies include HP, Chevrolet (Holden), Volvo, Unilever and Motorola, plus ReadyMix and Fulton Hogan concrete companies.

The paper showed that the council would have to spend $3 million alone to replace its HP computers.

Marrickville councillors will vote next Monday on whether the boycott, passed in December last year, will include ripping up all current contracts and services and disposing of equipment, or be confined to future dealings.

The four Labor councillors will seek to get the support of three independents to beat the five Greens and vote down the policy.

Hewlett-Packard has been contacted for comment.

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Are they going to boycott Chinese products over treatment of Tibetans? Or Middle eastern oil over their treatment of women? I think not! Another antisemitism movement.

tozzertozzer April 14th, 2011
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You have to start somewhere, and history shows us that it is always more palatable to start with the **** I mean, who is going to defend them? Their allies?

rafrafrafraf April 18th, 2011
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Besides Israel makes it so easy to report on them, with free press and all. And they have this habit of leaving live witnesses to tell of their atrocities, so it's all there for the taking... very verifiable. What are we gonna do? Stand up to China? Arab nations? Give land back to the Aboriginals? And best of all, those Israelis are willing to criticize themselves with quotable quotes. We could make posters of al the nasty things **** say about themselves when they are trying to improve their own society. Good luck finding that in the Arab world.

rafrafrafraf April 18th, 2011
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Maybe she can use Gazan technology, such as burqah for all women include the MP, and use donkeys to transport people from Marrickville to Newtown. Perhaps she should not use American products because they are occupiers too. Or Australian products because we are occupying Aboriginal land.

doron_katzdoron_katz April 14th, 2011
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This article was always going to get some interesting replies. Nevertheless you should try to be respectful in your replies and not stoop so low. That way when you are afforded the same respect you will get to appreciate it.

zaccozacco April 14th, 2011
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wtf- amazing the 'principles' people display when it costs other peoples money. why dont these airheads get some WORK done.

mattmorganmattmorgan April 14th, 2011
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Bit of a mistake I think in the article - it's Marrickville Council, not Sydney Council

ProssAZProssAZ April 14th, 2011
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That is absolutely crazy.

Australia imports the bulk of its oil from Vietnam (dictatorship), the UAE (dictatorship), Malaysia (partly free), and Papua New Guinea (partly free). Every time Australians get in the car, their money goes into the pockets of some really nasty regimes. Is the Merrickville Council going to boycott these regimes? That might actually do some good. But no, they're going to spend their taxpayers' money in a ridiculous boycott of the only democratic country in the middle east.

How about boycotting China, whose severely repressive regime is gutting occupied Tibet? No? Just democratic Israel? Seems as though there's an agenda here that has nothing to do with human rights or occupation, doesn't it?

empachersempachers April 14th, 2011
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I agree let's Boycott all nasty political regimes, including Israels. It seems as though Israels "democratic" regime, murders no less women and children than any of it's neighboring states which aren't democracies. As a side note to something you said, Israel is NOT the only democracy in the middle east.

zaccozacco April 14th, 2011
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I agree let's Boycott all nasty political regimes, including Israels. It seems as though Israels "democratic" regime, murders no less women and children than any of it's neighboring states which aren't democracies. As a side note to something you said, Israel is NOT the only democracy in the middle east.

zaccozacco April 14th, 2011
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Finally someone is standing up to Israel. Yes yes Australia supports many bad regimes, but shouldn't we try to start defending human rights somewhere? Also, do you not think you're comparing Israel to China, Vietnam and many Middle Eastern countries FOR A REASON! Israel consistently attacks civilians, has basically ground the Palestinian economy to a halt leaving them without the ability to repair damaged buildings, infrastructure and in many cases make a living, and suffers no repercussions from the International community apart from a few 'stern' comments from foreign ministers from too few countries!

youngofsayoungofsa April 14th, 2011
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Absolutely- we should start by focusing on Darfur, Libya and a whole raft of Muslim countries that treat their own citizens with far less rights than Israel affords to the Palestinians.

bnaimanbnaiman April 14th, 2011
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Why do we have to start there? Instead of a country regularly ignoring the UN. We are talking about a country with Nuclear weapons, and any country with such a capability should be held to account. They continually build on land that has been designated for Palestine but no one cares about that. I think we also have to recognise that the council was elected, and as they were elected they can decide on IT contracts as they please.

youngofsayoungofsa April 14th, 2011
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Nukes eh? I don't see youngofsa trying to encourage a boycott of Iran, a country not only trying to obtain nuclear weapons (in order to incinerate 6 million **** in Israel) but which routinely hangs minors and stones rape victims to death. Not a word about them.

bnaiman, I think what Youngofsa is trying to say, is "why should we worry about the biggest human-rights abusers in the world, when we can obsess over the tiny Jewish state instead".

I'm pretty sure there's a word for that. However he'll jump up and down in a moment and insist that it's not antisemitic to obsess, demonise and vilify the world's only Jewish state. Oh look (scrolls down the page) he already did it.

danlewdanlew April 14th, 2011
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Just because I think the Israeli government does things wrong, doesn't mean I'm pro Iran or any other human rights abuser and it's ridiculous to assume so! I would support a boycott of products from any human rights abuser.

Oh that's the oldest argument isn't it. When you have someone of race backed into a corner, they shout racist, it's like you don't actually have a real argument. :/ As a white male I don't really have anything to shout except, people all over the world preach equality, then how about stop clinging to excuses such as these everytime you're criticised and deal with the criticism! I have no interest in repeating points I've already made as you obviously disagree with them.

youngofsayoungofsa April 14th, 2011
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This council is so busy working on its Israel boycott that they don't even have the time to respond to requests put through their "Have Your Say" web page on the council web site. Perhaps, they need a new customer relationship management software product so that they have the decency to respond to resident queries. After all they do say "Please enter your contact details if you wish for us to respond to you." We've had no response now for three months. What a shocker and a tale of a lousy consumer experience with local councils. Potential new business opportunity here for NetSuite, Microsoft, RightNow, Sage, and NetSuite??

david1david1 April 14th, 2011
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I'm guessing the HP equipment they're using is not up to scratch and needs replacing then?

zaccozacco April 14th, 2011
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Absolutely disgusting! That a local council should be attempting to focus on international policy matters is just ridiculous. How is it that the council can claim to be supporting multi-culturalism while openly alienating a percentage of their constituents?
I think the local residents should be allowed to protest the council and refuse to pay rates. They clearly aren't being applied to the useful matters that they are expected to handle like rubbish collection- so why should local rate payers have to foot the bill of grand-standing morons seeking national attention for their future political aspirations?
And honestly- where is the state government in all of this? Should local councils be allowed to blatantly waste money by replacing systems with no business case behind them, simply a moral conviction? I wouldn't run my household like that, and I certainly wouldn't want my business run that way- so how is it we are ok with our local council making these decisions?

bnaimanbnaiman April 14th, 2011
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They aren't alienating any social or religious group. They are alienating a government, if there was an IT shop run by someone from Israel I'm sure they wouldn't avoid it due to this reason. There's a difference between Jewish people, and Israelis. There are also Arabs in Israel, and Jewish people living in Palestine, although they are definately in the minority in each case.

youngofsayoungofsa April 14th, 2011
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You are wrong.

Arab-Muslims living in Israel have full rights. In fact, Arab women in Israel have far more rights than in any Arab country.

However your reference to "Jewish people living in Palestine" is mistaken for two reasons. Firstly, there is no place called "Palestine". Check an atlas. If you are referring to the Palestinian controlled territories, than you should know that there are also no Jewish people there. The Palestinians ethnically cleansed Gaza of all Jewish people. The only Jewish person there is Gilad Shalit, a man who was kidnapped by Palestinian terrorists and has been kept captive there with no access to anybody.

Nice people!

danlewdanlew April 14th, 2011
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Did I mention rights in this comment? Or are you clinging to the few things Israel does right to ignore the things it does wrong?

Also instead of refering to an atlas, lets check with the countries that officially recognise it....

If we're talking about nice people, compare the numbers of people that have died on each side...who looks nicer in those figures?

youngofsayoungofsa April 14th, 2011
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This is sesasionalist garbage (on the part of the council, not the reporter). Imagine the outcry if the council were to put a ban on Arabic-sourced oil after a terrorist attack - they'll probably fear getting attacked themselves. The silence from State and Federal government is also deafening...

johnb2011johnb2011 April 14th, 2011
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This is responsible local goverment ? Time for the State (come on Barry) to sack the lot of them and install an Administrator to protect the rate payers money and get back to road, rates and rubbish.

Cranky GeorgeCranky George April 14th, 2011
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Hey--our guys are fighting the Taliban the friends of Palestine---what gives ?

Bruce.69Bruce.69 April 14th, 2011
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Ouch - Marrickville Council staff better watch out next time they go into hospital. Better check out if there's any Israeli-designed tech in the cardiac unit respirators before the medics touch them. Any Israeli-designed Intel chips around the place? They better go too if you're going to be honest with your residents...I'd personally like Marrickville streets looking a bit cleaner than all this nonsense.

david1david1 April 14th, 2011
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They had better make sure that the computers they use are powered by AMD and they are not connecting to the internet because Intel and Cisco both use Israeli technology. Its a good thing they won't be connecting to the internet though as a lot of the antivirus software is based on Israeli technology. In fact why don't they go back to pen and paper, and use tin cans with string as most technology has something to do with Israel including things like VOIP which I'm sure they are using if not in their office then I am sure their telecomunications company is.

Maybe the Greens should look at what is really happening in the middle East before they decide to just be anti semetic. It is the Hizbolah and other extremist Arabic groups that are hiding behind the women and children and causing the Israeli army to accidently kill and injure the innocents. They don't go and deliberatly kill babys and send mortars ad hoc into the cities. They don't send out prepubecents and teenagers out in suicide bombings like the palestinians killing and maming countless civilians.

warren21warren21 April 14th, 2011
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I'd consider boycotting the Palestinians- but I'm still trying to figure out what they produce??????

And as for the Greens...... seriously. What can we say about the environmental party that litters the sidewalk with printed material on election day? Maybe they need to refocus their efforts on walking their own talk......
Happy to support the environment..... just not the Green party.

bnaimanbnaiman April 14th, 2011
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When you have the greens in charge = dumb

RpbRpb April 14th, 2011
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This is what happens when you vote for the Extreme Socialist Left party (otherwise known as the Greens). The latte set vote Greens to send an environmental message but dont realise their other extremist positions.

goreedspacergoreedspacer April 14th, 2011
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There's a big difference between being anti-Semitic and not agreeing with the Israeli government. A government is going to be criticised from time to time for its ACTIONS. The council is not saying 'we will not use them BECAUSE THEY COME FROM JEWISH MONEY' they are doing it because they dislike the actions of the government. HUGE DIFFERENCE. I am sick of every criticism of the Israeli government labelled as such. It’s as crazy as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claiming the Olympic symbol was Zionist!

youngofsayoungofsa April 14th, 2011
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Youngofsa, there are any number of governments in the world, apparently not subject to criticism by the Greens who are obsessing instead on the world's only Jewish state.

I agree with Thomas L. Friedman's comment that, "Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic, and saying so is vile. But singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East is anti-Semitic, and not saying so is dishonest."

danlewdanlew April 14th, 2011
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You totally contract what Friedman explicitly said... That is what is dishonest.

zaccozacco April 14th, 2011
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Edit: That would be contradict...

zaccozacco April 14th, 2011
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The green are anti-semite bolshevicks, no suprises there

Matty74Matty74 April 14th, 2011
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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8234245/greens-not-anti-israel-brown

youngofsayoungofsa April 14th, 2011
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What a bunch of ****-hating arseholes. I am sure the Greens will feel much nicer using Soviet era technology.

They always had a thing for the Communists...

danlewdanlew April 14th, 2011
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Okay, why is it that this site doesn't censor the word "arseholes" but censors the word "J_e_w"? Is this site also run by Soviet technology?

danlewdanlew April 14th, 2011
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Why is this anything to do with hating J.ews? The idea of international social responsibility at any level is to be commended. The idea of either **** or Palestinians being ostracized is equally reprehensible. It just so happens that the Israeli govt is alienating itself from a lot of the world due to it's ethnic cleansing of Palestinian people and I for one am glad that there are bodies in the world that see this and speak up.

zaccozacco April 14th, 2011
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What are they the environment party or is it as we all know that the greens are just a front for the extreme socialist left once call the communist party. It must be sad being part of a communist party when the works communist are either capitalists or becoming so. What in the h.ell is the greens doing being involved with international politics could only happen in Sydney politics.

GottobesaidGottobesaid April 14th, 2011
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If you want to boycott Israel you need to :
- Avoid buying computers which contain Intel processors - they were invented in Israel.
- Do not buy Windows NT, XP and Vista because they were developed by Microsoft Israel.
- Do not use the latest version of Microsoft Office - it was also developed in Israel.

Check out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saeky9I5T9c for more details.

ron_shelfron_shelf April 14th, 2011
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Other things they need to avoid include a variety of medical treatments which rely of Israeli patents.

When you look at the facts, two things become obvious, they are both hypocritical and racist. We tell our kids repeatedly not to look to politicians either for the truth or for any moral guidance. Actions like this just prove their lack of morality and integrity.

When will they tell the next lie?

infocomminfocomm April 14th, 2011
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Enough already with all this hot air demonising Marrickville Council and the Greens for daring to support the boycott of an apartheid state. What a load of childish scuttlebutt! What sound-minded person, when aware of the enormous injustices dealt out to to the Palestinian people routinely by the Israeli government, could do otherwise?

People have human rights, whether you happen to recognise them or not. People, including Palestinians, have the right to live their lives without being constantly harrassed by the military, driven from their land, having their homes and belongings destroyed, being imprisoned by a 10-metre Separation wall as on the West Bank. Not to mention, the right not to be indiscriminately bombed and killed by the thousands by Israeli military while being held captive and prevented from leaving that same area being bombed, as we saw in Gaza, January 2009. All this tired parochial screeching about how things like rubbish collection are in jeopardy, what a joke. I happen to live in marrickville, and rubbish collection continues to happen each week, exactly as it did before! But a council is also a democratic body and so should concern itself with gross violations of democratic rights, wherever they occur. Grow up already!

human rights for allhuman rights for all April 14th, 2011
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Would we give Marrickville back to the aborigines that used to own it?
Don't think so, not even if they start blowing up school buses.

DiggerooDiggeroo April 15th, 2011
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I half wish they would go through with the boycott - but then please go all the way!
Rip out all their Intel Pentium, i5 and i7 processors from their PCs, and while they are at it, trash the AMD processors too - both have R&D in Israel.
Disconnect from Yahoo, Skype and Google chats (all based on Israeli technologies).
Stop using Microsoft products or Linux operating systems.
Refrain from using PHP - another Israeli development; better still - don't ever enter a website with PHP programming.
Get off the internet completely - Cisco routers have been developed in Israel too.
Stop using drip irrigation technologies - another Israeli patent.
Tell your loved ones to stop using medical imaging and medicines designed and developed in Israel.
Should I go on?

RimonaRimona April 16th, 2011
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Give Marrickville Council a few months and they'll be sending their rate payers bills by stone tablets... (if you're in Marrickville, man I am SO SORRY for you!!)

LiselaLisela April 16th, 2011
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