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By Stephen Shankland, CNET News.com on March 11th, 2010

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Revealing a bit of previously hush-hush history that's relevant today, Sun Microsystems' former chief executive said that both Apple CEO Steve Jobs and Microsoft founder Bill Gates had threatened Sun for infringing their patents.

Jonathan Schwartz

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Jobs threatened to sue in 2003 for the infringement of a user interface design, while Microsoft's Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer tried to get Sun to licence Microsoft Office patents for use in OpenOffice, a move that would have made open-source distribution of the competing product impossible, Jonathan Schwartz said in a blog post on Tuesday.

The anecdotes will be of interest at handset maker HTC, which Apple sued last week for patent infringement. HTC, though, is a newer and smaller company that some believe lack the intellectual property arsenal possessed by companies such as Sun.

Jobs delivered his threat to Sun personally, Schwartz said, calling his office to say the graphics in Sun's operating system 3D interface, Project Looking Glass, were "stepping all over Apple's [intellectual property]", and that if Sun commercialised it, "I'll just sue you".

The meeting with Microsoft followed the same pattern.

"As we sat down in our Menlo Park conference room, Bill skipped the small talk, and went straight to the point, 'Microsoft owns the office productivity market, and our patents read all over OpenOffice'," Schwartz wrote. "Bill was delivering a slightly more sophisticated variant of the threat Steve had made, but he had a different solution in mind. 'We're happy to get you under licence'. That was code for 'We'll go away if you pay us a royalty for every download' — the digital version of a protection racket."

In both cases, Sun countered with its own patent portfolio.

With Apple, Schwartz raised the similarities between Apple's Keynote presentation software and Concurrence, software from Schwartz's start-up Lighthouse Design, which Sun acquired. And he pointed to Sun's operating system patents, relevant given its Unix history and the fact that Apple's Mac OS X uses Unix technology. "Steve was silent," Schwartz said.

With Microsoft, Sun's rebuttal involved Microsoft's .NET programming foundation and Sun's earlier Java. "Microsoft is no stranger to imitating successful products, then leveraging their distribution power to eliminate a competitive threat... So when they created their web application platform, .NET, it was obvious their designers had been staring at Java — which was exactly my retort. 'We've looked at .NET, and you're trampling all over a huge number of Java patents. So what will you pay us for every copy of Windows?'" Schwartz said. "It was a short meeting."

Microsoft did make some headway, though, in its effort to capitalise on open-source software and its own intellectual property. It alleged in 2007 that Linux and other open-source software projects violate 235 Microsoft patents, and it has signed several patent agreements with companies for related technology.

Schwartz agrees with those who see Apple's suit against HTC as something of a proxy war against Google, whose Android operating system is used in several HTC phones, most notably the higher-end Nexus One. "I feel for Google — Steve Jobs threatened to sue me, too," Schwartz said in the opening line of his blog post.

Schwartz's company was able to defend itself, and indeed ultimately Sun used its patent portfolio to extract a lot of money from Microsoft. "I understand the value of patents — offensively and, more importantly, for defensive purposes. Sun had a treasure trove of some of the internet's most valuable patents — ranging from search to microelectronics — so no one in the technology industry could come after us without fearing an expensive counter assault. And there's no defence like an obvious offence."

HTC may be a little guy, but he suggested Apple's attack may backfire.

"For a technology company, going on offence with software patents seems like an act of desperation, relying on the courts instead of the marketplace," Schwartz said. "I wonder who will be first to claim Apple's iPad is stepping on their [intellectual property]?"

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Interesting article...

I'd love to know how many patents Mac claims to hold that are nothing more than prior art. I wonder if this could place Mac back in the hole they've been in for so many years prior to now.

I can't think of a more deserving company to get caned, or perhaps I can...Microsoft

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Apple has been good for Microsoft

Apple has been good for Microsoft because it has caused it to have to compete. Who else has the capability to bring competition to the desktop market.

Without Apple's developments in OS X, we would all still be running Windows XP - oh hang on, most of us are... :)

Jamie AndersonJamie Anderson March 12th, 2010
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And Windows CE

... you forgot to also mention that we would also be stuck with Windows 6 on our mobile phones!

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