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David Braue

A view from the trenches of Australian telecommunications. As the name implies, it’s a two-way conversation and we ask you not to pull any punches ... we won’t.

Years ago, I was fishing in a faraway lake one morning and a big fish took my lure. Long hours we fought, me reeling in a few centimetres at a time, then giving way as it looked like he was pulling too hard and might snap the line. A battle of wills and a battle to the death, it was — and it was only as the sun began to set, two days later, that I finally wrestled what looked to be a two metre-long salmon alongside the boat.


Just when Labor almost had the NBN landed, Rudd's destabilising actions have threatened to make it the one that got away. (Lates calcarifer image by Rob and Stephanie Levy, CC2.0)

OK, I admit it: like all the best fish stories, elements of the previous paragraph may have been exaggerated. Now that I think about it, our battle might only have lasted five minutes. The fish was big, but probably more like 50cm long. And no, I didn't lash it to the boat, Old Man and the Sea-style, only to have it consumed by sharks during the trip home. It was a fresh-water lake so that would have been impossible — even if I had managed to get the fish in the boat instead of watching, powerless, as it looked at me, shook its head, spat out my lure and swam back into the depths.

Big or small, that was The One That Got Away. And, unfortunately, it is now entirely possible that something similar may happen with the National Broadband Network (NBN).

After a remarkable day earlier this week in which Kevin Rudd demonstrated once and for all that he is as self-obsessed and egomaniacal as Julia Gillard, the Labor Party has begun rending itself apart in a jaw-dropping display of bilious discontent. The country is now in the awful position of being run either by a scheming backstabber with far from unanimous support in her own cabinet, or by a scheming backstabber with far from unanimous support in his own cabinet.

I'd suspect most voters are just fed up with both of them. And, either way, the NBN seems doomed.

There are few scenarios in which one can imagine this kind of behaviour is going to go unpunished by the electorate. Even if she wins on Monday, the odds of Julia Gillard leading the Labor Party to a 2013 election win seem smaller than ever: regardless of her not-insignificant policy achievements, she will ultimately be judged with the same superficial disdain that has plagued her since the coup she instigated.

The real casualties will be the thousands of people [working] to implement the Labor Government's policies...

Whoever ends up as Prime Minister, the real casualties of the coming reckoning will be the thousands of people who have worked tirelessly to implement the Labor Government's policies — and now face another 18 months of hard work executing policies that will, in all likelihood, be reversed by a coalition government.

Whether Rudd's intention was to turn the last half of Gillard's term into a lame-duck debacle, I cannot tell. But if there is a more sisyphean, soul-destroying job than working hard to implement something you know will soon be undone, I cannot at this moment think of it. And if there is a single project most likely to be affected by such a change of power, there are a few more obvious for culling than the NBN — which currently employs over 1300 people within NBN Co and has created private-sector employment for thousands more.

Ditto Stephen Conroy who — love him or hate him — has made the subjugation of Telstra and the delivery of the NBN the cornerstone of his tenure as communications minister.

That he has all but succeeded in fundamentally re-architecting our telecommunications market is testament to his tenacity, pugnaciousness and unwavering support for change. Yet if Conroy is relegated to the back bench come next year, he will face the soul-destroying torture of watching his years of hard work being wound back, one by one.

Like my fish of so many years ago, he will struggle until the last moment and watch, powerless, as what was nearly within his grasp slips away once again. And all he will be able to do is sit back, cover his mouth in horror and watch as the Liberal Party returns Telstra's monopoly and condemns the country to the demonstrably fickle whimsy of bloody-minded telcos. Even significant legacies of Conroy's time as minister — such as the completion of a formal separation structure with Telstra, the regulatory changes around NBN Co's operating environment, the government's successful deals with Telstra and Optus — would no doubt be diluted or repealed as the coalition pursued its own agenda.

Yet Labor and its dreams aren't the only likely casualty from this fiasco. Once the media tires of coverage about the winner of the leadership diva-off on Monday, the spotlight will invariably shift to the Opposition.

Remember that Tony Abbott was also installed by the slimmest of margins in a similar coup against Malcolm Turnbull. I'd say it's about as likely for Kevin Rudd to go to the polls with Julia Gillard as his deputy as it is that Turnbull will continue to sit on his hands, quietly fighting the NBN via press release as shadow communications minister while Abbott — a man who lacks the intelligence, vision and tact to be Prime Minister — gets all the glory.

If Turnbull has an ounce of ambition around him — and history suggests that he does — he will have taken the events of this week as a sign that it's time for change. If Labor blood is to be shed, can we be surprised if Turnbull gets out the proverbial knife and does a bit of backstabbing of his own?

The alternative, I would imagine, would be unthinkable to him: three or more years stuck in a middling technology-related portfolio executing the blind madness of a party leader who has campaigned against Labor and its NBN vision based on empty sound bites and a fundamental lack of understanding about the real issues it will solve. Like the Grinch stealing presents from the well-meaning Whos, deep in his heart, I can even imagine Turnbull would shed a few quiet tears as he did it.

If you have not already read it, I highly recommend you block off a chunk of time and work your way through the 6000-word-plus NBN treatise by ABC journalist Nick Ross, who has long been troubled by the misrepresentations around the NBN and has left no holds barred in his attack on the campaign of misinformation and blind opposition to the project.

Ross goes to great length to illustrate why the coverage of a misinformed media has perpetuated the kind of deceptions peddled by Tony Abbott's Liberals, but on reflection I think the gist of his piece — like many I have previously written here — can be boiled down to one fundamental issue.

Labor, it must be said, has spent all its energy selling the NBN based on what it is — and spent precious little time selling the project based on why it is. This has allowed opponents to distract the public with petty debates about 50Mbps vs. 100Mbps, fixed networks vs. wireless, FTTN vs. FTTP, FTTP vs. ADSL — all of which are peripherally important to the very real issues that brought the NBN into existence in the first place.

Labor has spent all its energy selling the NBN based on what it is — and spent precious little time selling the project based on why it is.

Love it or hate it, Labor's solution to those issues has proved to be more aggressive and ambitious — and, yes, more expensive — than any put before. It has also made the most concrete progress, and come closer to fulfilment than any other. For the project to meet an untimely end not because of its own lack of merit, but because Labor couldn't prevent it from becoming collateral damage of outrageous and self-destructive party infighting, would be a tragedy not only for the people directly involved but for the country's future as a whole.

Yet we are now faced with the prospect of a hobbled NBN — not because the NBN is inherently bad, but because Gillard and Rudd have once again failed to sell their respective merits to the public correctly. They have allowed the current debate to become a battle of the sexes and personalities; as with their NBN mistake, they have allowed the debate to be refocused on who is running the country, rather than focusing on what Labor will do for the country. And in the end, it doesn't matter so much who is running the country, as it matters how effectively they can do so.

That is why the NBN may be dramatically diminished once our next Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull, begins working with heir apparent and newly appointed Communications Minister Paul Fletcher to dismantle the NBN as efficiently and cost-effectively as possible. By the time they're done, our telecommunications industry will have been set back 10 years — and Rudd and Gillard will be sitting on opposite sides of the opposition benches, casting dirty glances at each other as they quietly lament everything that could have been.

What do you think? Has Rudd's mutiny doomed Labor to an election loss? Or could a reaffirmed Gillard salvage her party, and the NBN it created?

Talkback

I must say that at this stage you are drawing a pretty long bow. It is far from certain that Rudd will oust Gillard and pure speculation that Turnbull could again become leader of the Liberal Party.

Let us look at the facts. Currently according to polls over 50% of the population support the NBN and only about 25% oppose it. Any party that wants to be elected to govern would need to be very cautious in proposing that the NBN be scrapped.

If we look at the last election we saw a swing to the Greens and the independents which some commentators have attributed to the policies of the major parties on the NBN and the mandatory ISP filter.

I would suggest that if the two major parties don't get their act together on IT policy that we are likely to see a parliament in which the Greens and the independents have a greater say than at present and that the NBN will be safe regardless of who is governing.

brownbear1947brownbear1947 February 24th, 2012
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If the NBN's future is so safe, why does Turnbull keep dissing it with ever more outlandish criticism?

And if Giilard prevails, will the electorate re-elect Labor whose ministers have been unnecessarily forthcoming in their criticism of Rudd to the point where they have handed the Libs megabytes of sound bites for use in the next election.

Richard UreRichard Ure February 24th, 2012
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sorry but after this , if rudd or gillard wins, labors minority govt is gone... as members quit or defect, hence, we will have an election this year, and im sure Liberal will win, NBN will be gone by EOY 2012. Rudd will come back as opposition leader.

user000000000000000000000001user000000000000000000000001 February 26th, 2012
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If Malcolm Turnbull is 1/3 as smart as you think, he knows that his time as opposition leader was an absolute failure and that he will never lead the Liberal party. literally from the day Abbott beat him in a ballot, the Coalition has gone from strength to strength and have capitalised brilliantly on the ALPs many public and policy failures.

Harry FuttleHarry Futtle February 24th, 2012
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Up to and including failing to win the election.

Liberal's threw that one away due to pure idiocy on their part.

NPSF3000NPSF3000 February 24th, 2012
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What strengths? Seriousl the only thing Abbott has done since h became leader was try to detroy every policy the government has implemented, his policies can be reduced to nothing more than slogans, after all that is all they are.

Especially in Broadband his $6 bn plan is a complete joke and will set this country back while most of the developed world will be accelerating ahead of us. But hey atleast we will have America to keep us company with their lackluster BB networks.

TimHTTimHT February 24th, 2012
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What strengths? hmmm. tough, perhaps the fact that if an election were to be held today, the coalition would win by a landslide. there is no other metric that matters. re 'not having policies' that is called political strategy, if you release your policies early, you give the Govt time to attack them. The NBN, the people who really push it either work in IT and like shiny toys or already have fast internet. the people who really need better internet would have already had it under the cancelled OPEL plan and the country would have been about $45 billion better off, which is looking more and more important as the world heads for the next big recession.

Harry FuttleHarry Futtle February 25th, 2012
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Your comment reads like liberal party talking points. You're either the most brainwashed liberal party supporter in the universe, or the least subtle paid shill ever to grace the comments section on the website.

You haven't addressed TimHT's original argument at all. In a functioning democracy, a party should _always_ have their policies clearly stated for anything of national significance, it's not a case of being 'cyclical' as you describe it, or at least it shouldn't be (for future reference, that's one of the most telling ways that you're simply here with an agenda).
This has not been the case for the liberal party in Australia, and it's a worrying overarching trend that undermines values consistent with a working democratic society.

Australia has has the fortune of unprecedented wealth, delivered by the mining boom. Supposedly, we're all much, much richer now, and private sector wealth will impact naturally impact net cash inflows to the public sector as well, so it's reasonable to compact that to a single fact- the government is richer now. As contemptuously as people like you think the public are, believe it or not, people do get that. As a nation, we've got a low debt to GDP ratio and are basically the envy of the world at the moment, in economic terms.

So it comes down to a case of where do you spend your money. The last time the libs actually remotely tried to address that question was when Abbot muttered something vague about building more schools several months ago, so if any political party was remotely interested in doing something good for the country they serve, (I imagine you consider yourself a bit of a political strategist), it stands to reason that you'd get more votes with a plan like the NBN.

The NBN only delivers a long term benefit when it is delivered in it's current scale. Arguments about the technology itself are completely redundant- it's useless talking about HFC vs Fiber if only a few percent of the population can get it, as a data connection will only be as good as the technology between each device (surely even you can understand that), and this is the message that the ALP should be selling- It won them the election, and is the argument that people like you, deliberately or otherwise, fail to acknowledge. In any case, long story short- the NBN is good, we know that and want it. Please stop putting politics and greedy self interest ahead of democracy and nation building. Thanks bye.

RealismBiasRealismBias February 26th, 2012
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+1

BetaBeta February 26th, 2012
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In a functioning democracy, a party needs a good leadership.

Currently labor doesn't have any leadership at all, it's a mess that really should never have been put into place it had the least votes out of the liberal, labor, greens parties, yet only got in because 5 people wanted the NBN in their part of the country first and mandated that.

That is way you'll never seen the NBN rolled out into the cities for a good year or 2.

So I don't know where or how you get labor got voted into power as the libs had them beat it was only the % that have allowed those 5 indepants to put labor into power, and in the last 2 months have seen labor faze out those same indepants to the point where they have no power at all, hows that for a smach to their face from labor.


All the money for the NBN came from the libs because they had 100 billion sitting in the bank, labor under rudd has spent all that money, and then spent an extra 500 billion for all sorts of stuff, and then gillard is trying to come up with carbon taxes and now the mining tax.

which could see companies move out of Australia and the mining companies stop expanding and set up shop else where, this has already started.

The current mess that labor sees itself is the fact that it doesn't have the numbers to have any control it was the green who forced the carbon tax into place at the $23 a ton of carbon, we haven't seen the effects of that yet but do expect things to suddenly jump up in costs.

You might not even have the spare cash required for an NBN connection anyway, so it might not be worthwhile bothering about an NBN connection anyway.

The problem you have is that people see the government putting up taxes and making new taxes up to pay off a 800 billion loan within 2 years (it'll never happen) and a NBNCo with a slick 40 billion sitting in the bank and doing nothing with it other than spending hundreds of thouands on hooking up country towns with just 3 people hooked up for a townships of 50 people.

The numbers just aren't stacking up and there's money their that people want to be poured into hostipals etc than some non needed NBN network hate to break it to you but people just aren't that fussed about an NBN network.

zagzag February 26th, 2012
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Mate your comments here come across as a bitter perpetual Coalition voter who simply is unable to grasp the hung paliament scenario and continues to sob over the one that got away.

BetaBeta February 27th, 2012
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You are very correct indeed. The 'Liberals' (such an odd name for a bunch of 1850s conservatives) are not putting any policy forward but merely opposing anything presented by 'Labor----that is Politics, not leadership.

I still firmly believe that the NBN will be outdated junk by the time it is complete. Let's look at your "average" married couple with 2.4 kids:
- 16yo in his bedroom playing online games, downloading porn, and streaming HD movies.
- 15 yo in her bedroom streaming different HD movies, running facebook to the max (and who knows how bloated it will be by then?), and using the mobile phone across the house wi-fi connection for ridiculous long SMS conversations that could take place in only 5 minutes if the parties TALKED to each other.
- Father streaming HD sport and news simultaneously while probably also downloading porn.
- Mother streaming infomercials (probably also in HD) whilst using an H2O steam mop to bash up the fridge because it ordered the wrong groceries.
- The 2.4 child streaming "Teletubbies" and similar, also in HD.

All of these users are going to expect continuous glitch-free streaming when I seriously doubt that 100Mb would be able to handle the real bandwidth required, and that is WITHOUT taking into account the next developments on the net that are likely to be more bandwidth hungry than what we have at the present.

I am on the highest speed ADSL2+ that I can get in a regional area, and even the ABC's iView is glitchy and often out of voice-sync when I am the only user of this connection. Try watching the same thing in HD? I don't think so.

TreknologyTreknology February 27th, 2012
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Shame the Libs don't have any real policy themselves...any time they ever do try to put something forward it's exposed for the joke it is..."soil magic" and a 70 Billion unfunded hole in their costings to name just two.

tinman_autinman_au February 24th, 2012
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we could only hope for a turnbull bid. the liberals are just as factious as the ALP.

but nay, Abbot will win, and the NBN to be sold as scrap to Telstra to play out the supply contracts.

19841984 February 24th, 2012
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Calm down.

Unless there is a double disolution the Greens will control the ballance of power in the Senate for some time. And that will make it very difficult for Abbot or Turnbull to unwind the NBN.

johnnyringojohnnyringo February 24th, 2012
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The legislation will be tough to unravel - and they won't expend their political capital trying (they might reserve that for the carbon tax and MRRT).

But they can easily perform the act of political vandalism by ceasing the rollout, and winding up most of the operations of NBN Co. The government constitutes the sole shareholder of NBN Co, and can direct them to stop all future rollouts.

The state of existing contracts will play a part (such as with Silcar, Syntheo etc) - but they can fire Mike Quigley and his team, and leave the operation rudderless and dead in the water. All depends on how blood-minded they want to be.

GwyntaglawGwyntaglaw February 24th, 2012
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Nailed, David.

It is indeed the government's biggest failure to educate the electorate on the whys of the NBN - why we need one, why it must be universal, why this means fibre absolutely wherever possible, not copper, why it is best funded and repaid as a self-contained project, and many more. Last year, NBN began doing some education in exasperation at the government's failure. Indeed the best educational resources available are the many nbnco.com.au presentations, and the principle reference is the $25 million McKinsey NBN Implementation Report of May 2010.

But Labor may not catastrophically lose in 2013. Re-read the media in the weeks prior to the 2010 election. They were doomed. But six days before the election, Tony Abbott finally announced his broadband solution - no Telstra separation and continued reliance on corporate boardrooms to dictate who would get any services. Three safe regional electorates fell, and in 2013 the number will be at least five or six because regional Australia has begun being educated by Armidale and the other first release fibre recipients.

Now, many years after John Howard's 2004 first attempts to deliver universal broadband to overcome Telstra cherrypicking, everyone who has followed the matter (including Malcolm Turnbull, by the way) knows that the FTTP NBN is not only the right project for our vast but extremely urbanised nation, but also has a funding model that protects its construction timeline and avoids any impact on all budget categories.

Even Coalition voters are evenly divided (42% for the NBN, 43% against) after three years of coalition sniping. This will affect votes, if not to Labor then at least away from the coalition which can be the same thing.

Whilever the coalition allows Labor to be the only broadband party, it will lose hitherto safe country seats. Broadband is almost insignificant compared to many policy areas, but elections are won on hard voter numbers, and unless the coalition credibly adopts the NBN or something very like it, and convinces the electorate that it will deliver it after all, then voters will leak to candidates who will. Ludicrous as it sounds, we have a Labor government now because of Tony Abbott's intransigence on fibre in 2010. Will he repeat this fiasco in 2013?

umbriaumbria February 24th, 2012
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David - you confuse NBN with NBN Co. We all love the idea of an NBn - it is NBN Co that is making such a hash of it and needs to be restructured to both preserve the concept of an NBN and keep TElstra in check. It is not insignificant that tElstra's share price has gone up over this period of its so-called reining in. If anything Conroy has further entrenched Telstra. Even worse Quigly has pointedly created a TElco (Phil Dobbie interview on ZDNet) and has brought across the worst of the Telco industry culture - and I can tell you it is already more arrogant and worse to deal with than Telstra or any of the other TElco's, even in their worst moments ever. On that basis alone the NBN Co concept, i.e. primary monopoly builder of the NBN needs to be completely revamped.

Just to point out that both parties orignally went to the kevin07 election with very similar broadband plans. It took a lot of work to get labour up to speed and out of its rut. Similar needs to happen with LNP - although if you looked closely at the LNP announcements instead of knee jerk reaction you would see the skeleton of that change. My only regret is we are still paying to keep NBN Co incompetents with their snouts in the public trough for another year or two. For them it will be a mixed blessing - the money will be reined in but they will also be able to sweep the unholy waste/ mess under the carpet and blame a change of political masters.

RossyduckRossyduck February 24th, 2012
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Rossyduck, welcome. David is not confused. NBNCo is not mandated to teach, only to build. NBNCo is doing a magnificent job, even though early 2011 saw it saddled by parliament with the new job of actually building Greenfields fibre which was to have been done by private industry to its specification. Its resellers are now delivering 5500 active services out of 18,000 premises passed, and Telstra Bigpond is not even fully engaged yet pending the ACCC acceptance of its separation undertaking. Network downtime is non-existent, we are hearing no reports of metering or billing errors, and are on target to have 758,000 premises passed this year.
Why bother to raise the rejected plans of four years ago? The OPEL wireless plan was found to under-deliver bandwidth at its $6 billion price, due to inadequate tower numbers and too-wide spacing. The $4.7 billion NBN mark I FTTN + wireless plan floundered because (a) it was found to actually cost $11 billion and (b) Telstra owns ten million copper segments between footpath and premises for which it wanted $15 billion compensation. What is on the table, for which contracts have been let, is two redundant, high-capacity Ka-Band satellites, LTE wireless for 4% of premises where fibre cannot reach but demand justifies building wireless, and a $12 billion one-off optical fibre installation to premises in towns and cities. And it delivers a wholesale telco, but one owned by the parliament, not by shareholders.

umbriaumbria February 24th, 2012
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umbria,

I am interested in finding out where to get "current" facts and find your post quite interesting with some of the numbers quoted.

For example, in "latest news" from the NBN Co website has the entry : "NBN hails 4000th customer" and cites "2315 premises using the fibre optic service and 1700 in rural and remote Australia receiving broadband via the interim satellite service" so it is more like 2315 FTTP connections (or have I misunderstood).

And was it "saddled by parliament with the new job of actually building Greenfields fibre" or more a case of abandoning the tender process to enter into private negotiations which went to Silca for Qld, NSW, ACT (40%) and very reliant upon Telstra infrastructure ? Never really heard who (of the 5) won the rest of the contract.

And dont recall seeing a request from Telstra for $15 billion, thought the reality was an offering of $11 billion but the market had suggest to the government it was more in the vicinity of $15-20 billion but then it couldnt really do that because it would empower Telstra to be competitive and the harsh reality is for NBN to be successful is they had to truly monopolise the entire network. Conroy even said (in four corners interview) "The Government could spend $15 billion to build a fibre to the node network, pay $15-20 billion to Telstra for compensation, and then Telstra could take that money and build a fibre to the home network past you and strand 70 per cent of $15 billion on the side of the road."

You may well be 100% correct, I just dont seem to be able to find the same level of information as you can (and searching is a pain in the proverbial).

mrwillsmrwills February 25th, 2012
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Oh it's all there mrwills, but it depends if you actually want to find it.

After reading your comments, the answer is most obvious.

BetaBeta February 25th, 2012
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Beta,

I have been trying to find facts behind the claims, not just headlines.

That is why I asked. Simple.

Thanks for replying on behalf of umbria.

mrwillsmrwills February 28th, 2012
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I actually replied below and with apology attached.

Please feel free to either accept the apology and info I supplied (as just headlines and therefore inadmissible)... or ignore both. I have found normally, those who oppose the NBN tend to find it easier just to ignore the facts, rather than admit they were wrong ;-)

BetaBeta February 28th, 2012
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Based on consistent poll trends, I think Kevin has a much better chance at keeping the NBN alive than anyone else in Labor. Julia has no credibility left with the public and it's a shame that her factional/union backers are trying to drag Kevin down with her...

tinman_autinman_au February 24th, 2012
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David,

More than a slight over reaction and maybe just a bit too one eyed about the whole thing.

I remember your original post and support for NBN and in that discussion there were all kinds of outrageous comments about what NBN means and how well structured and how well thought out it was and how well it is going to support the remote community. At the same time, citing the Libs plan for fibre backhaul and servicing remote communities with wireless and satellite was so very unsatisfactory.

Well, now we need to buy two new satellites for those remote communities.

Now we have NBN Co that is a worse (corporate) nightmare than anything we had with Telstra.

Put bluntly, while NBN might well be a desirable goal, it is being executed poorly and the cost will continue to spiral as new challenges emerge and new technologies (such as wireless) evolve. The future will invoke more expense as the emerging changes and evolving technologies must surely be accommodated.

So, we pay many, many billions, followed by hundreds of millions for satellite, followed by how much more ? And what is the return to the average punter for their considerable investments ? Overpriced, undersubscribed services where NBN Co is more interested in growing a private retail arm than providing world class and affordable wholesale NBN to all.

Stephen Conroy would do very well to sit on the back bench and ponder what he has really achieved - an ideal at any cost versus viable services that everyone can benefit from sooner rather than later, in a healthy sustainable environment.

The best bet for the future of NBN in its current guise is to ensure Labor maintains office, and that could well mean Rudd. Gillard has been exposed. Rudd could be the saviour. But in all reality, there are no winners here.

Rudd didnt put NBN in mortal danger, they conspired selfishly (Gillard called the vote rather than sacking) to implode in their own quagmire of deceit. All it does is highlight just how dysfunctional our government really is.

And if NBN is really in danger, then it should not be permitted to live, rather than chase an endangered ideal.

Pity about all the above is it undermines all that is great about Australia, and will continue to be used by the Libs. Call for a vote of no confidence and have an election.

But then the real government will be further exposed with the balance of power in the independants and even more deals and promises for their own self serving wants (maybe Rudd would do better as an independant - at least the broken promises are on paper).

mrwillsmrwills February 24th, 2012
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Very good points and I agree with most you say. many posters to this and other sites are so narrow minded on subject of NBN, they must get the 100Mbs above all else.

DoubtDoubt February 24th, 2012
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Seriously where does one start, mrwills?

And funnily look at all the same little grubs/TLS shareholders all come out from the woodpile to back slap...LOL

1. From day 1 satellite was proposed, what did you expect santa to leave these satellites under the xmas tree?

2. A worse corporate nightmare than Telstra... err proof????

3. Executed poorly... err proof??? Look at the facts and you will see that is absolute BS. NBNCo are doing a sterling job, under very trying circumstances. Whather the government are is of course arguable.

4. We pay nothing . The NBN is being funded via bond sales. Don't believe everything Alan tells you "on the wireless". And in the end we will end up with a valuable asset. Seriously, how hard is this to understand?

5. Even with his silly filter, Stephen Conroy has achieved immensely, in the Comms Ministry like no other before him and only the blind, politically biased or stupid cannot see this.

From here on I tend to mostly agree with the sentiment if not the wording...

BetaBeta February 24th, 2012
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Yep, satellite was always part of their story, and they played it down quite a bit when it became politically advantageous to punish the "other" thought because of their push for satellite + wireless. I was making a comparison with some of the old posts from the very original discussion thread. Apologies if that wasnt clear (it was a rant after all).

But now that you mention it, their original budget and papers (well the published ones that I can find) didnt publish their capital expenditure requirement in sufficient detail (heck they even tried to change FOI laws that excluded them from providing information), and we know that there have been changes from the original given all the amendments to the bill and to the company since then.

And yes, I think any government corporate is not good. Even the ACCC had to intervene on a few issues to resolve, and then there was the premise of "wholesale" except the introduction of cherry picking for private / direct services.

My own circumstance in a rural setting disqualifies me from their current satellite plans because they say it can be serviced via telsra 3g - even if that means speeds comparable to dial up because of the poor reception (despite having spent hundreds on external antenna). And that is nothing but pure red tape - something that governments are very good at. So, I do find it quite interesting to see their deployments and implementations from a first hand experience.

Executed poorly ? Well heck yeah. Go through hansard and find all the variations that have been made, the changes with tenders for construction, and then look at their take up projections and note it is behind - this is not news - and probably to be expected. To be fair, they did have fairly unrealistic expectations for the early stages.

We pay nothing ? The first 27.5 billion is all being funded by the government, which has only one real revenue stream - tax. The level of government commitment is based on direct commercial / financing for 13.4 billion without necessarily being able to secure that at the time, any shortfall of that amount is backed by the government.

Now, some of those numbers have since changed, and not to forget little things like the 3 billion "off budget" deals for associated (overlooked) costs for things like the new USO Co along with the extra budget allocations for ACCC, ACMA even the attorney general gets a big kick to oversee new and emerging legalities.

Bottom line, I might be totally wrong about NBN Co, but, it is exceedingly difficult to get a real snapshot. One has to pour through a variety of reports (a lot of which is via zdnet thankfully) and parliamentary papers and the NBN sites.

There have been many changes as a result of trying to execute to plan. Which basically means some (detailed) aspects of the original plans are different and therein lies the evidence for execution.

From the NBN Co's "latest" corporate plan downloads ( http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/documents/nbn-co-3-year-gbe-corporate-plan-final-17-dec-10.pdf ) We see projections (in billions) as at Dec 2020
capex of $35.9
opex of $21.8
revenues at $20.8
total funding $40.9 (includes cost of funding)
And that 27.5 billion as at dec 2020 is known as equity leaving a debt of 12.7 billion.

If I went to a bank with those types of figures after 10 years what do you think they would say ? "Sterling job" or something a bit different from that ?

Combine with all the bureaucracy, red tape, legislative changes (as suited / needed), government dependancies, and the projections, yeah, I do think it is a huge corporate nightmare.

For me, there simply isnt enough transparency for the investment "we" are all part of. So, I dont believe anyone that simply "tells" me - but might be influenced enough to check out a few facts as hard a job as that might be (and the harder it becomes then the less satisified I am).

And really - are you calling me a little grub / tls shareholder ? Is your demeanor influenced by Telstra vs NBN Co ? Because I couldnt care less about that comparison other than being forced into yet another corporation whose fait is largely controlled (influenced) by governments as Telstra was (is).

And really, that is getting way off topic. My somewhat rantive post was more a reflection that Rudd is not the enemy, could well be the savior, and maybe NBN Co is a highly fragile beast in its own right (especially if there is a thought that Rudd is the difference) regardless of whether or not the technology of NBN is the way of the future.

mrwillsmrwills February 25th, 2012
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Oh mrwiils, I'll bypass the majority of your post on behalf of the Libs, because we have heard it all before (think broken record), it's all been debunked before and frankly I'm sick and tired of trying to educate those who do not wish to be educated.

If you consider the NBN to be an infrastructure build like hospitals and roads but one with a ROI which will unlike those other areas, repay itself, your entire novel above means SFA.

So I'll jump straight to the grub/TLS section. NO that wasn't directed at you (but if the boot fits) it was directed at the same little grub/TLS shareholders who came here having already been educated, to pat your back.

BetaBeta February 25th, 2012
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Not on behalf of the libs... My own beliefs, quoting the numbers I can find, and my own experience with trying to run a business and get funding.

It is like the $5000.00 parliamentary billiard tables the government recently sold and then spend over a hundred thousand investigating if the "deal" was a good one. It is simply not great business - it is simply a matter of the costs outweighing the benefits (should have kept the billiard tables). But governments dont have to worry about that so it seems.

Nope, not like hospitals, a bit like roads should be. And really the only way to undertake something like this is to make it a compulsory supply, otherwise the competition will undermine any government investment - not my words, but the words of your hero Conroy. It is not a "sterling job" it is a government monopoly on supply regardless of the actual costs.

Our current total debt is approaching $150 billion (not net debt) increasing at around a thousand dollars per second, and an interest only bill of close to $6 billion per annum. For each and every Australian we owe nearly $17,000.00. Our ability to repay (being the leaders in the world of personal debt) above and beyond our current tax levels surely causes some concern, and I dont want tricky accounting to hide reality. That isnt politics, that is economics.

mrwillsmrwills February 29th, 2012
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Firstly mrwills I apologise for lumping you in with the mindless FUDsters (knee- jerk reaction on my part, due to past events). Those who simply repeat the oppositions slogans, "white elephant, hurting taxpayer, socialist monopoly, forced to use the monopoly" etc, because although I believe your opinion somewhat misguided, imo, you seem genuine :-)

So just to elaborate on two of your paragraph's.

1. "My own circumstance in a rural setting disqualifies me from their current satellite plans because they say it can be serviced via telsra 3g - even if that means speeds comparable to dial up because of the poor reception (despite having spent hundreds on external antenna). And that is nothing but pure red tape - something that governments are very good at. So, I do find it quite interesting to see their deployments and implementations from a first hand experience".

Once again I find this logic fascinating (I have read others say similar). The private sector which you herald as superior to government owned, "have not", over many decades, provided for you (except where forced to, by the government, I assume - USO) but NBNCo will provide for you. Yet you criticise the NBN and still wave the private sector flag?

2. "We pay nothing ? The first 27.5 billion is all being funded by the government, which has only one real revenue stream - tax. The level of government commitment is based on direct commercial / financing for 13.4 billion without necessarily being able to secure that at the time, any shortfall of that amount is backed by the government."

Firstly I suppose that wasn't well worded, my apologies. However let me clarify. The NBN is not being funded by general taxation revenue or "by the so called (by others) hurting taxpayer per se".

The funding is coming from security issuances, the contingency reserve, Building Australia Fund (BAF - which I believe ironically has money from the Telstra sales sitting there) and of course Aussie Infrastructure bonds (AIB's), with the NBN revenue projected to repay the outlay.

As per my 3rd below URL the way the government are funding and doing the numbers on the NBN is absolutely correct (worldwide accountancy standards) according to Parliamentary Library economic analyst...

So as you asked previously, here's a little reading for you (please note the dates of these articles)...

http://www.smh.com.au/business/government-goes-global-to-raise-3b-needed-for-national-network-20110710-1h91o.html

http://www.xing.net.au/node/25

http://www.zdnet.com.au/govts-nbn-accountability-correct-economist-339329928.htm

There's even this one below, which describes the bonds as unnecessary and cynical (but again refer to URL 3) to show that I'm not just highlighting the "rosy articles"

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/got-your-bonus-they-want-it-back-20090414-a673.html

Cheers Beta.

BetaBeta February 26th, 2012
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Thanks for the links.

I have seen the zdnet one about accounting standards, and it doesnt really matter how it looks on the books (well it does, but thats not my main point), it still needs to be paid for. Being off-budget and listed as asset further creates concerns about transparency and actual liability.

The issuance of bonds "may" be used, but really isnt that just another grab for financing an impossible debt already ? There is no transparency on how or where that money will go. And really isnt the issuance of Bonds simply a vehicle to secure borrowings - there is the liability of the value in there somewhere, it really is nothing more than investing in debt. Meaning it doesnt limit the liability of the value being "borrowed".

Your words dont really offer any assurity, rather, arguing your undeniably one-eyed view that there can be no wrong in NBN Co, and openly (generously ?) criticise all those that might have a different perspective. I guess it is much the same way you see my opinion as misguided, though, I really do try to look at both sides.

It is not that I dont understand your perspective, simply I dont agree with you. And thats fine, we can agree to disagree, free of political persuasion and any political bias you would like to suggest. *laughing* maybe it is a case of two misguided souls joined by a common interest.

Thankfully (?) the Telstra split has gone through the ACCC now and things might progress. I find it quite an irony that the one company they threw out of the early tendering process is now the one company that is their salvation.

And my example about satellite was meant to demonstrate the reliance on commercial enterprise to supply solutions that NBN Co is supposed to but will not (at this stage - or - is that prelude to future interactions).

The irony is again obvious (to me), but what is not so obvious is in striving to supply high speeds they defer to sub standard speeds as being acceptable supply in my scenario. Under the ABG, I could have received the higher speeds I need to do my work. I can still get high speeds, just not with the government whose mandate with NBN Co is to supply just that.

So, maybe there is a small concession in the above somewhere for my cynicism... And yes, I am genuinely concerned.

mrwillsmrwills February 29th, 2012
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Exactly as I had assumed mrwills…

You ask (obviously rhetorically or conceitedly not expecting to receive answers) and when given the exact information you asked for, which btw, dispels your entire sky is falling, FUD campaign… you bluntly refuse to acknowledge the information.

In reply you supply absolutely nothing to support anything you say in criticising the NBN or refute what I have claimed and then call me one eyed… *rolls eyes (or rather eye)*.

Straight-up. Ok, I am a one – eyed, apolitical, NBN supporter. But why?

Because the evidence (you know that stuff you ask for then ignore or even worse desperately want to baselessly refute) is overwhelmingly supportive of the NBN, imo.

So what’s your excuse for all the doom, gloom and FUD? It seems the only conclusion to make, after not really wanting to hear the answers to your own questions, is that your empty baseless words are simply part of a political agenda (or at least, political partiality, is playing its part). Why else would anyone bluntly refuse to at least consider such information?

Why ask when you clearly aren’t interested in knowing?

For example why would you criticise the off budget accountancy of the NBN and when proven wrong by the Parliamentary Library Economist, say, “well regardless of accountancy standards it has to be paid for”.

You could have said, I didn’t know that this is in fact the correct procedure, perhaps I was wrong?

Then you say taxation revenue is the only avenue governments have and ergo the only way the NBN can be paid for. But when it is clearly spelled out that the NBN already IS (check the RBA and AOFM websites) NOT MAY, be being funded by bonds, securities, BAF, etc and NOT by general taxation, it’s then “just another grab for cash” anyway.

You could have said, I didn’t know that people can invest in the NBN and funding isn't coming from general revenue, perhaps I was wrong?

But no. Just but, but, but and the list of your excuses goes on. So I obviously waste my time and breath.

I agree, my words (like yours) do not offer assurity. But unlike your words, mine stem from the information I supply and as such, this information I also supply, should. But alas not, because you are bluntly unwilling to accept anything other than your (mis)preconceptions of the NBN!

Yes we can agree to disagree, but I will do so with a clear apolitical conscience and knowing whatever you ask answers for I can supply an answer to. Whereas, it is obvious from having had similar correspondences with those such as you previously... they and you, simply are unable do likewise and will always fall back to mere financial scepticism (contrary to NBNCo’s plan, McKinsey etc) and nothing else.

Just like the Coalition do (what a coincidence). And yes those pool tables did cost, yawn…

BetaBeta February 29th, 2012
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Oh dear...

So unless we agree, those that dont see eye to eye must be coalition lovers and NBN haters or present quirky numbers or dont have facts.

It is not that I dont understand some of your facts, it is very simply I do not agree with some of your conclusions or assumptions.

I did say thankyou for the links. Why do you denegrate the "discussion" into something more like a personal attack ?

Fact is with such flakey politics at the moment, and the way it is all being handled (either / both sides) it is not reassuring as to its ongoing success. Assuming it survives over the next several years as per the original plan, survives various elections and possibly a change of government, we will have to wait a long time to see if the company will be a success in a business sense.

For me, there is a lot of evidence that supports a fairly fragile beast. If it was rock solid, I hazard a guess we would not be enjoying the discussion.

mrwillsmrwills March 2nd, 2012
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Ooh I see you snuck back...

Again you say alot but supply absloutely nothing but, "that's what I believe".

That's ok believe what you want and do so with no foundation (otherwise, where is the foundation"...?

But I'm glad those who make the decision don't have that, can't see past their own nose, we ar doomed attitude, otherwise nothing would ever be constructed!

BetaBeta March 21st, 2012
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Well said mrwills, I could not bring myself to reply to this ridiculous and extremely self indulgent article. I should have seen it coming when reading the first three paragraphs, for a moment I thought I was reading from the Daily telegraph's site.

NateNate February 24th, 2012
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Nate, not forgetting the oxymoron of this century : "while Abbott — a man who lacks the intelligence, vision and tact to be Prime Minister...." The said man is a Rhodes scholar with a degree in economics.

Vasso MassonicVasso Massonic February 24th, 2012
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And having met Mr Conroy he is clearly not a Rhodes scholar!

DoubtDoubt February 24th, 2012
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I wonder if Conroy thought likewise ;-)

BetaBeta February 26th, 2012
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPmpswEJ-sg

Glad I'm not a Rhodes scollop, VasMas.

BetaBeta February 24th, 2012
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Intelligence isn't just about paper credentials, Vasso. I've met a number of Rhodes scholars and I wouldn't trust most of them to balance my chequebook, so to speak. I would suggest a broadly applicable definition of the word 'intelligence' is not how many degrees one has or what type – instead, it is the ability to learn, and to adapt one's behaviour to changing circumstances. This is the thing that separates us from most animals, and in this regard – in communications policy and in other areas – Abbott has shown himself wanting, time and time again.

brauebraue February 26th, 2012
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Let's just see what happens shall we?
Speculation is like assumption, It will make complete **** esout of at least one side of the argument.
I'd also like to add that if Tony Abbot came out publicly on Monday and SAID that he will continue the work that NBNco is doing, The Liberal party will win the next election with a landslide.
Mainly because most Australians are so easily lead that if Tony Abbot told them that the sun shines out his butt they would believe that too.
I wonder if Tony Abbot and that self centered Fwit on 2UE are related ?
Also, keep up the great work David! I always enjoy reading your articles however far fetched they may sometimes seem.

ravstaravsta February 24th, 2012
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The original deposement of Turnball proved that the Liberal party is effectively a political arm for the super rich. Turnball was more popular and more rational, but he was pushed aside because the mining/energy companies didn't want an ETS or carbon levy. Abbott's opposition to the NBN is purely at the behest of Telstra and News Corp. Abbott is nothing more than a squawking parrot.

stvnrstvnr February 25th, 2012
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Yes well the outcome of Mr Turnbull being removed from the liberal party leadership, has seen a massive turnaround of support for the liberal party.
Mr Turnbull is doing what he was tasked to do, that is pick holes in the NBN. If the NBN is the best thing since bottled beer, then he will not find any holes.

DoubtDoubt February 25th, 2012
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And really he hasn't found any holes so he's just invented a few holes of his own... and that's the most disappointing part for people who aren't politically biased and who simply believe the NBN will benefit the nation for many years

If Turnbull can't find holes and needs to make holes (for electioneering purposes) doesn't it prove the NBN a good thing for Australia which he/they should actually embrace?

BetaBeta February 26th, 2012
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how about this:
Rudd contests Gillard, Rudd loses.
Rudd destorys govt.
Gillard minority govt fails.
We have an election.
Libs win.
NBN is cancelled.
Rudd becomes Opp. leader.
Wins next election.
Put in NBNCO V2 , year 2017

user000000000000000000000001user000000000000000000000001 February 26th, 2012
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That's a scary but not entirely implausable scenario.

NBN 2 – is that like Internet2, but even more politically contentious? The funny thing is, it would still be based on fibre.

On the positive side, I and everyone else covering this beat would definitely be guaranteed years' worth of great content to write about. And that can't be all bad! :-P

brauebraue February 27th, 2012
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Labor didn't win on votes they got put into power by 5 people.

You seem to forget that, so this labor government has no real power.

zagzag February 26th, 2012
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Err that's the system.

Seats were equal along party lines, so the independents formed a coalition (sound familiar) to get Labor the numbers.

Had they gone with the LNP, it would have been the same, each with the same power and I bet the Coalition would love to swap regardless of the hung parliament, powerless or otherwise.

So it's no good crying now, because the independent went with "the others".

BetaBeta February 27th, 2012
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Zag, the point that you forget is that the NLP who had the opportunity to take advantage of this scenario failed in the brown paper bag job of convincing these 5 independants, had they succeeded they would also have had the curse of running a minority government. I shudder to think what the outcome of this would have been.

BoomerMMWBoomerMMW March 21st, 2012
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David your articles always imply that a Labor loss equals an NBN death. I don't think that's the case. NBNCo are too far down the line for that. I think the Libs will change aspects of it but they won't throw it away.

mwil19mwil19 February 27th, 2012
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Agree mwil19.

The Coalition will probably, basically keep the same plan (plus some private sector subsidies, of course) and say we saved Australia from the Labor white elephant and we are the one's to actually deliver.

When really they just will be going along for the ride. It's actually quite politically shrewd.

BetaBeta February 27th, 2012
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I expect they'll come out with something like "wireless magic" to go along with their "soil magic" to cure global warming (which they apparently think is actually "crap" anyway....one wonders why they bother?).

tinman_autinman_au February 27th, 2012
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Politics is not about shrewdness it is about who is deserving and who is the 'other'. If you put it into this context.... the liberal policy can be seen in this context Australians' do not deserve a first class hi speed network even if they pay for it [try living in some suburbs were adsl is not available]. Australian corporations and small business sector do not deserve relief from the high dollar via lower taxes [paid for by the perpetrators of the high dollar re the mining sector via the resources tax]. The Australian public does deserve to pay for the damage done to the atmosphere done by Australian corporations.

rick.vrick.v February 27th, 2012
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I agree, politics "should" be about deservedness and also fairness...

Sadly in the real world, it simply isn't?

BetaBeta February 27th, 2012
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So, what does everybody think? Gillard took the prize as most would have figured, but the spill has also turned Labor into a fractious shell of its former fractious self. Gillard also has to figure out what to do, if anything, about 29 of her ministers who would prefer she weren't prime minister.

Will this mean anything in the long term? Could Rudd be a destabilising effect down the track or will he just have to go to the back bench and STFU? Could voter disaffection imperil Labor next year or are we still too far off for it to have any real effect? Or is it all business as usual, nothing to see here, move on please?

brauebraue February 27th, 2012
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I don't think anyone knows what will happen to the ALP but I can speculate like anyone in the media.

The 31 ministers you talk about voted for Kevin for one reason only, to save their political hides. Therefor it is reasonable to assume that if Julia can turn the poles around they would be more than happy to toe the line and transfer their support to Julia (and also pull Rudd into line).

Now, how does Labor turn the poles? Well, in July the carbon tax begins and people will receive compensation for price increases due to the tax. The price increases predicted are not substantial by any means and the compo is said to not only cover increased costs, but also to give extra in some cases. It's anyone's guess if this is right or not but by about September we will know. Not to mention the fact the RBA's outlook is near perfect conditions for our economy into the future which takes into account the carbon tax.

So this being the case, all the ALP have to do is convince voters that an Abbott led government will take your carbon compo away without reducing costs (they have to save approximately 70 Billion to achieve this) which is unlikely without a complete mutation to the economy occurring.

My guess is the slogan will read "A vote for Abbott is a 70 Billion dollar risk, the numbers just don't stack up."

The libs will have to disclose their policies soon enough which will have to include costings or else the slogan above will really take effect.

On top of all this the leadership spill actually lifted Labors poling to within 4 points on a two party preferred. You would have to say this is striking distance?

So in answer to your question, it is business as usual. But it will play out soon enough.

omegaomega February 27th, 2012
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Striking distance? On today's numbers they would lose 30 seats! It's clear you want the ALP to win but the reality is they are a long way off.

mwil19mwil19 February 28th, 2012
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In the election campaign in 2010 the Coalition were trailing the government by 4 points for the majority and this produced a hung parliment.

It doesn't take much now days to sway public opinion. It is usually done with money. Seventy Billion is a lot of money.... How much of that is coming out of your pocket?

omegaomega February 28th, 2012
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"Seventy Billion is a lot of money.... How much of that is coming out of your pocket?" - Quite a lot given the amount of tax I pay but given the current government has torn through over 150 Billion, what's an extra 70?

mwil19mwil19 February 28th, 2012
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$150B, I'll take your word. So what has it all achieved? From wiki...

..."Australia's per-capita GDP is higher than that of the UK, Germany, and France in terms of purchasing power parity. The country was ranked second in the United Nations 2011 Human Development Index and sixth in The Economist worldwide quality-of-life index 2005. [2] [3] Australia's sovereign credit rating is "AAA", higher than the United States of America and Australia's four 'Big Banks' are among the 25 'Worlds Safest Banks of 2011'.[23] Australia has highest ratio of assets to population than any country in the World. The country's government debt to GDP is the lowest among OECD countries"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Australia

You will note the very last sentence - "The country's government debt to GDP is the lowest among OECD countries"...

FFS look at the facts and stop the whinging. But yawn, I can feel a mining spiel coming on.

BetaBeta February 28th, 2012
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Huh, how was I whinging? I was just making a comment that the current government has buckley's chance of getting another term based on their numbers. Good to see you're now using wikipedia instead of getup.org.au though :)

mwil19mwil19 February 29th, 2012
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Really... which part of this complete comment which I replied to mentions another term/elections?

"Seventy Billion is a lot of money.... How much of that is coming out of your pocket?" - Quite a lot given the amount of tax I pay but given the current government has torn through over 150 Billion, what's an extra 70"?

There's no mention of elections, plus I have never used whatever it is you suggest (sarcastic or otherwise) as a link, so please stop whinging and also lying ;-)

BetaBeta February 29th, 2012
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Next time maybe scroll up Beta, I mentioned elections in the thread with Omega which you tagged onto.

mwil19mwil19 February 29th, 2012
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Der, but that WASN'T the actual comment I replied to... was it?

FFS

BetaBeta February 29th, 2012
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Just figured it out... Beta could well be Stephen Conroy

mrwillsmrwills March 2nd, 2012
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Thank you Mr. Lets not get personal/hypocrite.

BetaBeta March 21st, 2012
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Hmmm... a relatively strong economy coupled with a spendilicous government has resulted in the NBN rollout. This is a gift that will enhance our quality of life, however it is not a necessity. If the ALP don't get on their A-Game and fast track this, then the coalitions opinion may take hold. The ruling party is entitled to manage the economy as best as they can given their ideological position etc. Democracy is slow, painful, fumbly but fair. This is the foundation to quality of life, NBN is just the cream on the cake :)

stuartbordstuartbord February 28th, 2012
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Oh please dont be unkind, I gotta have some fan's. btw I agree I dont set the standard, but who does I wonder?

10 hours ago by Doubt on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

You agree but give him thumbs down... I think you'd better take the medication before one of your alter ego's Fred/Frank/Frergers appear...

10 hours ago by Beta on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

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+1

10 hours ago by Beta on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

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So we agree it was a stupid idea and even stupider comment then ;-)

10 hours ago by Beta on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

Not you obviously ;-)

And stop giving yourself thumbs up FFS.

10 hours ago by Beta on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

Ok Beta, understand now, just one point who sets the standard?

10 hours ago by Doubt on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

Oh no Beta you misunderstand me. I like my waterfront home and deep water jetty, it's those "other" people who can move to Willunga.

10 hours ago by Doubt on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

I agree with you Magnus, but really most people like living on the coastal fringe.

10 hours ago by Doubt on NBN users opt for 100Mbps

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