BigPond not up to scratch?

Jeremy Roche commentary Reading over the results from the Australian Broadband Survey for 2004 confirms what many ZDNet Australia readers have written about over the past year: Telstra drastically needs to improve its BigPond service.

The survey, conducted by Whirlpool, polled 13,000 Australian Internet users to get a picture of the current broadband marketplace, including their views on ISP customer service and reliability.

A sign that the overall market has improved is that 72.5 percent of respondents felt they are getting better value than a year ago. However, while some ISPs seemed to perform exceptionally well, others -- by and large Telstra -- received dismal results.

Customer service stands out as the area where Telstra falls most behind, with 43.8 percent of BigPond users in the survey saying it is 'average' and 22.7 percent describing it 'awful'. The only ISP to score lower was TPG -- 70 percent of respondents said its customer service fell under these categories.

In contrast, 98.5 percent of WestNet and 95.9 percent of Internode respondents gave their ISPs a customer service rating of 'good' or 'excellent'.

With regard to reliability, Internode and WestNet again ranked the highest while BigPond hit the bottom of the pile.

With all these very sub-par ratings it's no wonder that when asked if respondents would recommend their ISP to others, BigPond scored the lowest.

Not surprisingly, a spokesperson for Telstra criticised the survey, saying it was unrepresentative of the Australian Internet population.

Arguably, this is true. In the demographics section of the questionnaire, almost 80 percent of respondents described themselves as power users or technical gurus.

But aren't these people also Telstra's target market? Even if they are not, should the average user be content with an Internet service that the tech savvy community of Australia has deemed to be of very low standard in terms of customer service and reliability?

What do you think? Talk back to me below!.

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Talkback 35 comments

    While I probably agree to some ...Anonymous -- 13/04/05

    While I probably agree to some extent with the results of Whirlpool’s survey, I do have some comments to make:

    1. I was a Telstra ADSL customer for years – practically from the start of when Telstra made ADSL available. In the early days, the service was fairly unreliable, but by the end (I switched to Internode at the beginning of this year) I had no problems with the service at all. I never had a problem with their tech support (though in the last couple of years I’ve never had to call them). I switched to Internode purely for the price, and additional options like web space and multiple e-mail addresses.

    2. The whole culture at Whirlpool tends to be very anti-Telstra. Most likely not the fault of the people who run the site, but it certainly is “hip to be anti-Telstra” and very uncool to be pro-Telstra in postings at Whirlpool. Based on this alone I wasn’t surprised when I first read that Telstra was canned in the survey. So I think Telstra’s claim that the survey was not representative of Australian broadband users may hold a grain of truth.

    So the question is – why is the culture at Whirlpool so anti-Telstra? I suspect Telstra’s bad early days have a lot to do with it. Also, they’re seen as the big bad guys (perhaps rightly so) – perhaps the survey results have more to do with the average Whirlpool member’s view of Telstra as a company than with the actual service Telstra provides.

    Comments re whirlpool story Anonymous -- 07/09/05 (in reply to #120115645)

    We have been loyal to Telstra for a long time despite some very poor service and failure to answer questions. We were recently advised by a Telstra CSO that they were having some problems with their billing and that some of our monthly account had carried over to the next month (some being the oiperative word - more like half). After a very long conversation with several Telstra CSOs in technical (who disown the problem) and billing who cant do anything because technical wont do their job (their words not ours) we find this site and information that this problem actually occured 2002. Not only that but we have been lied to by the CSO saying that it was only a recent problem.... I suppose there are really 34 definitions for the word lie..... philosophically I look at it more that the information provided to me by the CSO was not substantiated by the words that came out of her mouth. I pity her inability to rationalise her concepts before delivering her jargon.

    Couldn't agree more with your ...Anonymous -- 13/04/05

    Couldn't agree more with your editorial!

    We are regional customers who had an abrupt disconnection of ADSL on 16 March. Our ISP (not Telstra) said it wasn't their problem. Telstra wouldn't investigate because we weren't their customers. After 2 weeks playing 'piggy-in-the-middle', we gave in and said we'd transfer to Telstra so they could sort out the problem (which turned out to be a fault at the exchange). At no time did Telstra tell us, nor is it in their promotional literature, that transfer to BigPond would take up to 13 days, and in any case there had to be a 'legislated downtime of 4 days' - we weren't told that is, until we had signed up with BigPond and I was chasing them to see why we weren't already connected as I had been promised.

    So it took 2 days short of 4 weeks to be reconnected to broadband for a fault that wasn't ours.

    Connection happened yesterday (Monday). Since then, Bigpond has experienced state-wide email server problems, DNS server problems and the 'blisteringly fast' speed I was offered as a promotion is no faster than the 256 I used to be connected on. Currently most URLs I type in return a 'network down' page. Have rung BigPond tech support which informs me there is a long delay as there is a problem they're trying to fix. But that's not reported on the service page! Have been on hold now for 12 minutes - yesterday it was 33 minutes before my call was answered.

    We are not 'power users or technical gurus' but rely heavily on internet connection for business and personal use. We feel that Telstra has regional customers over a barrel as they own all the infrastructure but will deal with you only if you are their customer. Hence our regional ISP has lost another customer to Telstra (not the first, apparently). In additiona, Telstra customer sales is open to accusations of misleading advertising (as evidenced by their rapid response when I contacted the Ombudsman!), and BigPond connection is woefully unstable.

    Thanks for the opportunity to let off steam! Also thanks for your editorials - I always enjoy reading them, although this is the first I've responded to.

    I am a Bigpond cable user. I h ...Anonymous -- 13/04/05

    I am a Bigpond cable user. I have found the service itself has improved quite a lot since I first started using it some years ago.

    I would like to have a couple of more logins thrown in for free though.

    The on-line help I found to be prety good. I recently upgraded my main PC to Win XP and had to sort out the settings for Outlook. This was well laid out in the on-line help. No problems.

    I have a small LAN setup at home with a Belkin router/4 port switch and a docking station for my laptop along with a networked laser printer. I have not tried very hard to get the wireless link going as yet.

    If there has been a thunder storm with lightning my router has to be reset to enable the DHCP server again.

    I thought it took an awful lot ...Anonymous -- 13/04/05

    I thought it took an awful lot of gall for Bigpond to reject the survey findings on the grounds that the respondents knew what they were talking about. Clearly they prefer their customers ignorant so they can snow them; used car salesmen don't like informed customers either.

    Anyway, it shows there is a great opportunity for good ISPs to walk away with the market by just providing a good product at a fair price, with proper support.

    I think the argument that the ...Anonymous -- 13/04/05

    I think the argument that the demographics of the survey demonstrate the unfairness and unrepresentativenes of the survey is very weak.

    Users who require more bandwidth and greater speeds, eg, ADSL customers, are by definition power users. Who would try to justify to mum or dad, or come to that husband to wife that they needed Broadband as opposed to the cheaper dialup service without considering themselves powers users.

    Broadband has never been marketed as a cheaper alternative to diallup with interupt service on, although for a family with teenage children it is cheaper. I recall one Telstra bill having 800 locals calls, my step son thinking he was doing the right thing when on the Internet to permit incoming calls, and then redialing to get back onto the internet!

    No, when Telstra says 'Broadband' they mean 'power', and they know it!

    The general lack of business s ...Anonymous -- 13/04/05

    The general lack of business savvy by Telstra is not unexpected. many line people in Telstra/Telecom/PMG are not oriented to a commercial market; even today.

    Our exchange went onto ADSL a few days ago. "Big Pond" are flogging a service to basic users who do not have appropriate computer hardware, do not have the skills and are not up to spin with the new systems.

    They now have a modem, a contract and no hope of connecting.

    There must be some duty of care to ensure that the client is able to use the items provided to get the service touted in the glossy ads.

    The smaller ISP are much more attuned to the needs of their clients; if they stuff up they lose $$$'s; if Big Pond stuffs up or gives lousy service; Hey!! there's 19.9992 million other users out there; why should a desk wallah care.

    This is so damn true. I thoug ...Anonymous -- 13/04/05

    This is so damn true.
    I thought that bigpond, being one of two cable suppliers, would have a great system. How wrong I was.. Slow as a snail, dropouts ( up to 5 a day), DNS servers that are just plain crap and can't find their own bigpond home page.(have been using optus dns servers) .I don't use bigponds email anymore, I want my email on the same day, not days later. I had one that was dated January, got it a week ago,(no joke) don't know where it has been..but I hope it had a good time traveling around the world.

    Bigpond.....the worst thing I have done in a long time, very very bad...and I am telling as many people as I can to stay away from bigpond

    Why do people even consider Bi ...Anonymous -- 13/04/05

    Why do people even consider Bigpond when their plans are such poor value compared to other great ISP's like Internode or Westnet ?

    Look at Internode - no charge for uploads, higher monthly gigabyte limits for the same cost or less than Bigpond.

    People need to shop around and get the best value and service. They do it with motor vehicles - why shouldn't they do the same with ISP's ?

    I have been trying to get ADSL ...Anonymous -- 13/04/05

    I have been trying to get ADSL now for over two months. Firstly through a smaller ISP who informed me that although my exchange (Long Jetty) is ADSL enabled, Telstra had informed them after about two weeks that my line was unsuitable. I have since applied in desperation to BigPond to see if they can do any better and have now been waiting over two weeks with my order still in the "held" status. In the meantime I have to put up with a modem speed of 28.8K so any reasonable file download is a long process.

    So while BigPond goes around speeding up the existing customers to ADSL 2+ I cannot seem to get any broadband at all. It is obvious that the NSW central coast is not given much priority by Telstra regarding its provision of broadband services.

    This is just not satisfactory and Telstra should be told to get its network up to date so that all of us potential broadband users can get access to it.

    Id like to see what your isp's ...Anonymous -- 13/04/05

    Id like to see what your isp's do when your having a mainstream fault/issue, service issue, no doubt they will 'blame Telstra', but never actually do something to fix it. whereby if your with Bigpond youve got some kind of guarentee they will fix it eventually. In short id prefer a 'yes we will fix it', over a 'have no idea whats going on?' repsonse from my ISP. Of course smaller isps can get better service results, because there catering to a very small minority of users compared to the bigpond powerhouse. Stats arent worth the pay check of the data entry lady who typed it.

    I work for Telstra Broadband S ...Anonymous -- 14/04/05

    I work for Telstra Broadband Services (no not BigPond) so I'd like to clear up a few mistruths.

    1. If an ADSL service has a problem the cust must log a fault with their ISP who then logs a fault with Telstra ADSL, calling the Telstra phone faults people is a waste of time - they don't handle ADSL - ISP's who don't log faults with Telstra on their cust behalf are just plain lazy and at worst negligent - no one needs to switch to BigPond to get their ADSL service fixed if it's a phone line or exchange problem - Telstra will test the service and send out a tech if necessary.

    2. If a new self install BigPond cust cannot setup their connection Telstra can and will send out a tech the first time for free to setup the service and there will be no charge even it's something stupid like the user using the wrong username or p****word.

    3. Telstra also has to send out techs for wholesale services as well which in the end can amount to free tech support - most ISP's don't have their own techs and just use Telstra's and often the wholesale cust are as stupid as the BigPond cust.

    4. As far as the BigPond reliability problems they have many more users than other ISP's and they're all over the country and when you get the stupid ones with no firewall, AV or spyware software etc whose machines are spewing SPAM and flooding the DNS servers - it would be hard for any ISP to cope with cust like these. Yes the majority of BigPond cust aren't exactly PC or IT savvy, they're just people who email there friends and browse the web occasionaly and just expect it to work so when something goes wrong (usually their own fault) alot of them will get very ****ed off and engage in Telstra bashing.

    5. If an ISP says your line is not suitable for ADSL BigPond shouldn't be able to provision your service either - chances are if they do it won't work properly at full speed and continually drop and generally **** you off - there are just physical limits to ADSL which relate to how far a service is from a telephone exchange or ADSL enabled RIM box - generally about 4km but can go up to 5 to 6km if your lucky. ADSL 2/2+ will be able to work at maybe an extra than ADSL using it's extended reach mode but will be limited to 512k/128k speeds only.

    No Telstra is not perfect and yes the BigPond plans suck but in general most people don't have alot of problems with ADSL.

    Extended Reach Adsl David Tanner -- 06/10/05 (in reply to #120115703)

    A friend, who is a principal of EXTEL Communications tels me that they now have Extended Reach equipment which can be pushed out to 40 Km using Telstra Serial Number equipment 907/1000, 1001, 1002, 1003 etc.

    After moving from Optus cable ...Anonymous -- 14/04/05

    After moving from Optus cable of 5 years to Big Pond cable the last few months have been very painful. Telstra has had major problems with its DNS servers for over 2 months with regular time outs and being unable to reach websites. Despite acknowledging the problem it has done nothing to correctly fix it.
    Why is it that the largest ISP is so incompetent?

    Yes it seems Telstra sucks and ...Anonymous -- 14/04/05

    Yes it seems Telstra sucks and is a rip off. When is that privatisation happening?

    I am working in Estonia at the mo. For $32 AUD a month I get 1Mb/s unlimited download and unlimited time on net. Technical service is just a phone call away.

    Trying to send larger promo video files to Canberra to a colleague and he had to pay 15 cents per extra Mbs!!!!

    So someone is greedy somewhere!

    The broadband here is offered ...Anonymous -- 14/04/05

    The broadband here is offered by the cable TV companies. They offer

    * 60 channels cable $11 AUD a month incl. CNN, BBC Prime and World, Eurosport, Hallmark movies etc.
    * unlimited internet $32 a month
    * home telephone line $11 a month or
    * the 3 in one package for $44 a month

    Not bad seeing 13 years ago it was in the backward soviet union where telephone calls sounded like talking down a pipe on the home phone. But then again for 4 kopeks who could argue!!

    I’ve been a Telstra Customer f ...Anonymous -- 14/04/05

    I’ve been a Telstra Customer for 32 years, with multiple landlines and mobile phones at home, Bigpond Dial-up Service until Broadband became available, then became an early adopter of Bigpond Cable (several years ago), Foxtel (cable) soon after it became available, and, now, Foxtel Digital as soon as I could get it. I am also a Telstra shareholder (T1 & T2).

    I’ve often asked myself why I have persisted with Telstra despite years of disappointment, frustration, annoyance and dissatisfaction with the quality and pricing of services, compounded by the nightmare of dealing with Telstra’s administration. The only reason I can offer is that it is 100% Australian.

    The Bigpond Cable service, over the years, has been unreliable, in that I have often been unable to log into the network, access the authentication server or access the mail server. The performance, in terms of speed and consistency, also leaves a lot to be desired. Last week, for example, the broadband cable service was down for several hours, during prime time, on a number of days. Last Friday, I could log in but not perform a Live Update of Norton SystemWorks, nor access the Symantec site to download the latest virus definitions, via my desktop PC. However, using my laptop with a second Bigpond Cable Account, I was able to do both, but not access my Telstra Webmail account. I had a 30 minute wait before getting through to a Telstra Bigpond Cable technical support person. He was very professional in guiding me through the validation of the Internet setup of both machines, but could not solve the problem and suggested that I try the broadband service the next day. I did just that and, magically, the problems had disappeared.

    The survey results, I believe, do correctly reflect the experience and ****essment of Telstra’s Broadband customers and users.

    I converted from normal 26.5kb ...Anonymous -- 14/04/05

    I converted from normal 26.5kbps dial-up in remote Australia using a different ISP to Bigpond ISDN and then Satellite/ISDN (256Kbps/128Kbps) and have found Bigpond services to be excellent.

    The difficulties installing the initial ISDN service involved a remote exchange upgrade, new copper pairs for my line, modifications to handle the bandwidth needs. Whilst this all took time, I had a dedicated service centre monitoring progress and calling me on a regular basis to advise me of the status. The Country Wide people in Rockhampton & Mackay were fantastic. Sure it took time, but maybe I understood and appreciated where they were coming from.

    The HiBis Satellite upgrade was cheap ($129), installation (some 5 hrs) was done well with all commitments being met.

    Had a subsequent ISDN performance problem and this took two calls to address with Bigpond technical services - they were not sure whether to cl****ify my connection as Broadband or ISDN. This subsequently necessitated them performing an ISDN modem firmware upgrade and all went well, courteous staff, helpful. Download performance always exceeds 256 Kbps and upload is a tad under 128 Kbps

    Had a couple of billing problems due to these upgrades within a billing cycle but they were resolved amicably, quickly and without fuss - all in my favour.

    Got into a potential billing issue with usage concerns one month and even found out my 500Mb satellite download limit can be increased to 800Mb for free just by using the ISDN connection - byp****ing the Satellite and going at 128/128.

    What more can I ask for. Oh and on my plan all local calls are free! And as the ISDN connection takes two phone calls each time, that saves heaps.

    Thanks for the opportunity to offer my input. My experience - started with computers in 1960 and was involved in the first IBM 1401 installation on the West Coast of America in 1961, had 25 years with Big Blue commencing in 1964 and for a period was the IBM Australia PC product announcement manager.

    The only thing I will add, is that bottlenecks are now occurring on a regular (daily) basis within the worldwide network with some connections timing out and others taking over 15 seconds to even resolve. But I hasten to add, I don't blame Bigpond for all of this.

    I left telstra about 5 years a ...Anonymous -- 14/04/05

    I left telstra about 5 years ago , and i think its the best thing iv'e ever done.why is it that when they have such huge end of year profits that they put up line rental or other services ,to me its just pure greed.

    I'm no Telstra sympathiser, bu ...Anonymous -- 14/04/05

    I'm no Telstra sympathiser, but I have to question the results of this survey when TPG is listed as being worse.

    I've been with TPG (el cheapo broadband - $20/mth) for almost 12 months and can't fault them. Only once have I not been able to get a connection, and their billing is faultless. I’d give them 10 out of 10 for value and service. Where'd you get these survey results?

    I Have never used Big pond,but ...Anonymous -- 14/04/05

    I Have never used Big pond,but have given up on all other aspects of telecom, and would agree with the 'sevice awful' tag. All of my telephone services are now with my ISP. Thanks for your editorial

    I was with Bigpond adsl they a ...Anonymous -- 14/04/05

    I was with Bigpond adsl they are worse then Ned Kelly wih their prices atrocious

    You cannot in all conscience r ...Anonymous -- 14/04/05

    You cannot in all conscience recommend Telstra Broadband to anyone if you want to keep them as a customer. Although some less knowledgeable small computer shops do so, its usually because its the only product they are familiar with.

    I routinely get asked for a broadband recommendation and usually keep a close eye on who seems to be performing. Broadband opinions tend to be a little biased* so I tend to evaluate based on service uptime, the progressiveness of the company in trialiing and implementing new technology and the general health and viability of the ISP.

    Telstra will stick around for the long term but thats honestly about the only good thing you could say about them. They guarantee only minimal speeds, have a history of poor service response, are neanderthal in their approach to embracing future technological improvements and primarily dont seem to care too much if the customer is unhappy. Unfortunately it appears Telstra havent designed their network optimally and will continue to suffer performance issues until this basic step is rectified.

    *Whirlpool is infested with users wanting to download at maximum speed and pay nothing for it so any survey based on the site has to be taken with a grain of salt.

    For the many business users who dont care about downloading music/movie files or playing online games maxing out the speed of the connection isnt a consideration - reliability and customer service is.

    We've had Bigpond Cable since ...Anonymous -- 14/04/05

    We've had Bigpond Cable since it was introduced. Possibly I'm a little bit more like Telstra's favoured user demographic and a bit less like those who responded to the survey.

    I run a small business so I'm NOT focused on my link speed slowing after I've downloaded 10Gb of videos and music, I have no chance of using, in a month. For us a month of downloading service packs, email and general browsing struggles to exceed 2Gb

    In all the time we've had cable I can virtually count the number of times it's been off the air, but we do have clients with Bigpond ADSL and they go down regularly.

    Yes, it did take Telstra 4 phone calls to get our plan and postal address changed, but Telstra are unlikely to have their broadband service cut off for not paying their bills.

    So we get, a pretty reliable service, fast, plenty of download limit and it's cheap, yes I think $60 per month is cheap.

    I'm not sure I can see the problem?

    An old saying which applies to ...Anonymous -- 15/04/05

    An old saying which applies to the "Mad Hatters" who administer BP: "SELF PRAISE IS NO PRAISE!"

    Tel$tra have never recognised this very clear statement of fact.

    The "Mad Hatter's Tea Party" (BP management)continues to shift the chairs, accomplishing nothing in the process.

    I gave them 3 years to get their act together & they failed, miserably! so I churned.
    BP has been & remains a mess, in every sense of the word. Authentication failure, Email failure, poor tech support, slow response, network outages & the list goes on & on!
    BP sales & marketing continues to dictate how TW deploys new technology and provides support, to the detriment of all concerned. When retail and wholesale are finally seperated, we may at last see improvement. Until then, nothing will change.

    So far they have failed to provide full ADSL1 speeds. I hate to think what will happen now ADSL2 & 2+ has been approved. As usual, they are dragging their feet & may provide it some time next year. What a joke!

    BP BB will remain a 2nd grade service provided by a greedy management who fails the test of any commercial organisation....Customer Service.

    Telstra should be a leader in ...Anonymous -- 15/04/05

    Telstra should be a leader in broadband technology and service, not a follower of smaller ISP's. They have dropped the ball and are struggling severely to pick it up. The smaller ISP's are beating the big T to the punch every time. They are refusing to listen to their customers.

    Obvious to me in Telstra's rep ...Anonymous -- 15/04/05

    Obvious to me in Telstra's reply to the Whirlpool survey is that they are more interested in customers that are ignorant or just don't know better. Anybody with a keen interest in IT or professional know-how is of no value as a consumer or for that matter an employee (re: outsourcing).

    Telstra likes them dumb.

    Bigpond has never responded we ...Anonymous -- 17/04/05

    Bigpond has never responded well to criticism. They insult peoples intelligence everytime their PR machine kicks in.

    What will it take for them to realise they cannot fool people as easily as they use too!

    They are not listening to consumers, that is blatently obvious in their criticism of the Whirpool Broadband Survey. They say that it is not indicitive of most users.. maybe true, but they are indicitive of the users that know what they are talking about, when something is wrong, and when they are being lied too!

    Telstra is commiting a slow and painful suicide. I think the need to start concentrating on pulling the Bigpond image out of the mud if it wants to dig itself out of the hole its currently in!

    The main reason Bigpond is rat ...Anonymous -- 18/04/05

    The main reason Bigpond is rating poorly is the "double dipping" of internet usage. DOWNLOAD & UPLOAD USAGE charged and applied at OVERPRICED Rates.

    Poor customer realations in overcharging ie: Customers have not recieved a formal letter notifing them of the November 2004 Pricing changes or even just adjusting the price of their plan IE: CABLE 10Gig was 69.95 now 59.95. Alot of the customers are not aware of the price change as Advertising Flyers are thrown out unread as there considered as "junk mail".

    ALSO - The UNLIMITED plan "limit" is starting to be inforced with approx. 90% of users downloading and uploading more than 10Gig per month are being shaped down to the unacceptable 8KB/s.

    PigPond up to scratch with DNS ...Anonymous -- 18/04/05

    PigPond up to scratch with DNS servers their customers cannot reach.

    Telstra like to dismiss the tech community so that the rest of the population are not steered away from them

    Hi, The fact that power users ...Anonymous -- 18/04/05

    Hi,

    The fact that power users were the ones mostly responding to the survey is mostlty irrelivent in my opinon. I cl**** myself as a power user so I don't have a need to call tech support. I do however call for account queries and so would a high proportion of other other power users. Thus the survey for the customer support levels are very valid and important.
    The reverse is true for non power users as they are more dependant tech support but will still be calling for account queries as well.
    Telstra's market share is the 'Mums and Dad's' users who bundle with mobiles etc. They can ignore the survey at their own risk as very shortly indeed Telstra will loose all market stranglehold of DSLAMS. With the introduction of wireless ADSL or cable and VOIP there will be need to have copper connection to the household.
    I can see the gap in between iinet, node and iprimus having 2+ services compared to the rollout schedule of telstra should have them (telstra) extreemly worried. With a rapid uptake of VOIP it could see a m****ive loss of market share for for bigpond but also telsra home phone. After connection to the Internet is not rocket science and who in their right mind would want 1.5meg when you can get 24 meg.

    Telstra bigpond adsl Mark Ereira -- 19/10/05

    They are only there in the broadband market, because they had a monopoly in the Telephone market, so customers thouht that staying with the major player, would gaurantee price and service.
    The opposite has occured, they are the most expensive adsl provider on the market, a classic example was with TPG charging $49.95 for their 20G 1500 plan, with Telstra charging an extra$100 on top!! they also charge for uploading to add insult to injury!! and with expensive very limited plans!!! I had emailed them on many occassions, but the decision makers there do not appear to want to listen. they have always been (SECOND) to Optus, their main competitors
    they copy!!eg: Optus gives 3 free months, then they offer 6 half price, what a joke! once those Bigpond users get on the net and see what other ISPs have to offer, those customers will leave in droves as happens.

    re Whirlpool Mark Ereira -- 19/10/05

    As they say a million frenchmen can't be wrong! it has nothing to do with cool, but being hot under the collar, re bigponds total package!! they get the critisims they rightly deserve, they are far from being either a tall poppy, or underdog.

    right on Anonymous -- 27/12/05

    i work for telstra too.....
    i found out just how sucky their plans were,
    and when i called them up and threatened to
    go to optus they gave me a month free on my
    plan...... cant they make the plans any better?
    really optus offers double the value....

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