Cheats wreak havoc on SETI@home: participants

SETI@home administrators are allegedly ignoring claims that the project is being sabotaged by miscreants who are threatening to derail its reputation and that of many valuable Internet-based distributed computing projects.

SETI@home is one of the highest-profile proof-of-concept projects for distributed computing. However its Berkeley-based administrators are, participants claim, ignoring allegations that cheating in the competition to contribute the most computing power to the project is rife.

With the competition's close just two months away, observers believe that long-time leader ARS Technica-sponsored Team Lamb Chop (ATLC) will lose its lead to relative newcomer to the leader-board, SETI@Netherlands, in 10 days. Competition veterans and even SETI@Netherlands own manager think the team's late burst through the ranks is a little too good to be true.

Opened in June 1999, the competition is a battle fought with CPUs and bandwidth. Each day SETI@home's headquarters in Berkeley serves millions of bytes of digitised space noise to the project's volunteers for decoding in chunks known as work units or WUs. Winning the competition is simple: return the most WUs.

ATLC has contributed a staggering amount of processing power to SETI@home, having returned over eight million WUs. By May, ATLC had returned around six million WUs giving it a three million WU lead over SETI@Netherlands. Since July SETI@Netherlands production has accelerated sharply, closing the gap to under a million work units.

Max Nealon is an IT professional who has followed the SETI@home project since its early beta days and worked with Berkeley to uncover instances of cheating. He says the probability that all of SETI Netherland's statistics are legitimate is highly improbable.

Nealon estimates that a 1GHz PC dedicated to SETI@home processing would take six hours to complete a single work unit. He said some members of Team Netherlands are returning 5000 WUs per day.

Nealon says that would mean team members producing this much work must have 1250GHz of processing power at their disposal dedicated purely to the project. In human terms, that's around 1,250 1GHz computers doing nothing but running the SETI@home screensaver.

"[SETI Netherlands] number one producer has 618,000 units, that's just one person, it's just ludicrous," said Nealon.

Nealon knows the kind of effort required for one individual to break into five figures in the competition let alone six.

"I've got 43,000 spread out over two accounts," said Nealon. "In order to do that I've brought laboratories of computers...at one point I had 35 computers in my garage all purely dedicated to SETI

"It's incredibly difficult".

However, according to Nealon, SETI@home's administrators don't want to know about it. Nealon has contacted SETI@home concerning the cheating several times but is yet to receive a response.

Nealon believes that SETI@home's resources have become so scarce that they're unwilling to deal with the problem without a very good reason.

"It's not important until such time as it comes to finding another sponsor," said Nealon.

The distributed computing infrastructure behind SETI@home will soon be replaced by Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing which will support the project's second phase, SETI@home II. However, according to Nealon, the cheating problem affecting SETI@home brings the amount of computing power and the accuracy of the results the project has attained so far into question.

Nealon said that there are several ways to cheat the SETI@home's statistics counters.

One common technique used by cheats is to distribute partially completed work units to other team members' SETI@home accounts. One account is used to process a work unit until it is 99 per cent complete. It is then distributed hundreds of other team members who process the remaining portion of the unit and return it. The WU is credited to their accounts vastly inflating the quantity of public processing that appear to be dedicated to the project.

A bulletin-board posting allegedly from SETI Netherlands' team manager states cheating throughout the team is rampant and estimates that 41 per cent of the team's work is illegitimate.

Nealon has also identified ways in which the cheating could pervert the accuracy of data received by the project. He said that it could undermine the mechanisms built in to the project to assure its accuracy.

"Every unit is processed a number of times until they get the same answer. If, for example, that number of times is three and they get three identical results from people who are sharing the same cheat, and that result is flawed, then potentially they are getting flawed data" said Nealon.

"When you start talking about three million results that are potentially flawed..."

It's also clear that those who have supported the project since its inception feel that they're being treated with contempt.

"Basically, three years of work to get to the top of the teams and eight million WU later, it looks as though the top team is going to be beaten by cheating," said Nealon.

"The people are only cheating because they can and there have been an awful lot of people who have spent an awful lot of time crunching numbers legitimately," he added later.

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  1. It is really unforunate that cheats may be the demise of the most popular DC project in the world. I know at TeamPhoenixRising.com we believe in crunching real work units. Our team has reached #24 in the ranks by hard work and honest endeavors. Anonymous -- 31/10/02

    It is really unforunate that cheats may be the demise of the most popular DC project in the world. I know at TeamPhoenixRising.com we believe in crunching real work units. Our team has reached #24 in the ranks by hard work and honest endeavors.

    As far as the stats go, it is impossible to compete with someone who subverts the scoring system.

  2. This article just sucks! It's completely onesided and you did not even bother to talk to the Seti@Netherlands fouder and team leaders. The articles says you did but as a proud member of Seti@Netherlands I know the thruth and you obviously don't. Anonymous -- 31/10/02

    This article just sucks!
    It's completely onesided and you did not even bother to talk to the Seti@Netherlands fouder and team leaders. The articles says you did but as a proud member of Seti@Netherlands I know the thruth and you obviously don't.
    You claim 41% of our WU's are cheated? Prove it! Indeed there are some cheaters in our team but there are cheaters in Team Lamb chop and Seti.Germany as well.

    If you are wise you´ll rectify this at once before you´ll ruin your own good name.

  3. I think that the reporter used "artist license" t ouch up the interview a bit. Max Nealon is a well respected man in his field and would not purposely try to taint anybody's image. Did you ever think that the reporter himself may have Anonymous -- 31/10/02

    I think that the reporter used "artist license" t ouch up the interview a bit. Max Nealon is a well respected man in his field and would not purposely try to taint anybody's image.

    Did you ever think that the reporter himself may have added words that you are attributing to Mr. Nealon?

    Jammy

    Broadband Reports Team endeavor

  4. Anonymous wrote: > You claim 41% of our WU's are cheated? Prove it! > Indeed there are some cheaters in our team but > there are cheaters in Team Lamb chop and > Seti.Germany as well. > If you are wise you´ll Anonymous -- 31/10/02

    Anonymous wrote:
    > You claim 41% of our WU's are cheated? Prove it!
    > Indeed there are some cheaters in our team but
    > there are cheaters in Team Lamb chop and
    > Seti.Germany as well.
    > If you are wise you´ll rectify this at once
    > before you´ll ruin your own good name.

    Prove it? You just admitted that there are
    cheaters on the NL team. I'm sure there are
    plenty of cheaters on other teams, but that's
    not what this article is about, now is it?

    You'd have ruined your own name had you
    provided it.

    Nice work.

  5. Sorry but there are 2 sides on this nasty story. Yes there is cheating going on in Seti@Home (wich teams does not matter) Yes cheating is bad. But what can we do about it as a team.... unfortunatly nothing. Berkely don't want to do anyting S@NL LittleT -- 31/10/02

    Sorry but there are 2 sides on this nasty story.
    Yes there is cheating going on in Seti@Home (wich teams does not matter) Yes cheating is bad.
    But what can we do about it as a team.... unfortunatly nothing.
    Berkely don't want to do anyting about it so don't point oure finger at the team please.
    Just one remark.
    It is said that a 1 Ghz processor wich is dedicated for crunching wu's will take 6 hours to finish a workunit.
    Well excuse me but i have a 1 GHZ laptop wich is most defenitly not dedicated for Seti@Home and it crunches a workunit in about 4,5-5,5 hours.
    So how did you come up with those numbers??
    But understand i am against cheating, don't make the honest participants a guilty party here.
    Thx.
    Proud member of Seti@Netherlands with 1876 honest Wu's S@NL LittleT

  6. Mr Who ever you are.. Where the hell did you get that info? 41%?? I've been a member for seti@netherlands for quite some time now and i had my ups and downs with returned WU's, but too say that 41% of S@NL cheats is a outragous claim that ISN'T Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    Mr Who ever you are..

    Where the hell did you get that info? 41%?? I've been a member for seti@netherlands for quite some time now and i had my ups and downs with returned WU's, but too say that 41% of S@NL cheats is a outragous claim that ISN'T confirmed by the team leader of S@NL.

    Next time be a little bit more conservative on your one way reporting.

    Thank you

  7. holy boohoo get a life Lee Cordinly -- 01/11/02

    holy boohoo
    get a life

  8. Sounds more like a hypocritical bad looser than cheating. After all the guy complaining about the new leaders using multiple machines admits to using 35 computers himself at one stage. Martin -- 01/11/02

    Sounds more like a hypocritical bad looser than cheating. After all the guy complaining about the new leaders using multiple machines admits to using 35 computers himself at one stage.

  9. In response to the bad loser comment... Missing the point, he generated all the work legitimately. The fact that he made such an effort just makes his view more poignant. Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    In response to the bad loser comment...

    Missing the point, he generated all the
    work legitimately. The fact that he made such an effort just makes his view more poignant.

  10. Martin, I just re-read the article and I cannot find any supporting statements for your comment >Sounds more like a hypocritical bad looser than >cheating. After all the guy complaining about >the new leaders using multiple m Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    Martin,

    I just re-read the article and I cannot find any supporting statements for your comment

    >Sounds more like a hypocritical bad looser than >cheating. After all the guy complaining about >the new leaders using multiple machines admits >to using 35 computers himself at one stage.

    I believe in this quote

    >Nealon says that would mean team members >producing this much work must have 1250GHz of >processing power at their disposal dedicated >purely to the project. In human terms, that’s >around 1,250 1GHz computers doing nothing but >running the SETI@home screensaver.

    >"[SETI Netherlands] number one producer has >618,000 units, that's just one person, it’s just >ludicrous," said Nealon.

    Nealon is saying that the possibility that anyone actually is using this much computing power is ludicrous. Not that it is dishonest to use this much computing power.

  11. Cheating sucks and it's WRONG! Grow up and play nice with the other boys and girls! Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    Cheating sucks and it's WRONG! Grow up and play nice with the other boys and girls!

  12. SETI@Home is doomed. For some time now, the SETI project has been suffering from several maladies that will eventually undo the entire project. From the dodginess of the project as a whole to the push of IT managers to prevent and eliminate unauthorized S Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    SETI@Home is doomed. For some time now, the SETI project has been suffering from several maladies that will eventually undo the entire project. From the dodginess of the project as a whole to the push of IT managers to prevent and eliminate unauthorized SETI use of their systems and finally this cheating, SETI increasingly loses credibillity. Now with the advent of cheating within the project and the question of the validity of the resulting data, science will find it almost impossible to accept results from SETI. At best, the project is set back to its begining. At worst the project is completely nullified.

    It's unfortunate because the SETI@Home project was an interesting idea and a nice test of distributed computing but, now SETI@Home seems more like a bad joke destined for the scrap bin.

  13. You all suck stupid losers!, cheating ís from the start EASY TODO! what are you all crying about?.... where have you been 3 years? S@NL btw is a nice club... they rule! and they dont like cheaters.. Amen. MTF gay -- 01/11/02

    You all suck stupid losers!, cheating ís from the start EASY TODO! what are you all crying about?.... where have you been 3 years?

    S@NL btw is a nice club... they rule! and they dont like cheaters.. Amen. MTF

  14. SETI sucks. Go downate your cycles to projects that actually matter. Of course there's intelligent life out there, why bother trying to get a vague radiosignal from them? Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    SETI sucks. Go downate your cycles to projects that actually matter. Of course there's intelligent life out there, why bother trying to get a vague radiosignal from them?

  15. There really is no competition to provide the most computing power to the project! Yes, such statistics are kept, and some people in dire need of real lives, live for those numbers. Only bragging rights are at stake. The science of th Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    There really is no competition to provide the most computing power to the project!

    Yes, such statistics are kept, and some people in dire need of real lives, live for those numbers. Only bragging rights are at stake.

    The science of the project, attempting to find an ET signal, is not at stake here! It is nearly impossible to fake a positive result, which would be double-checked anyway.

    Cheating on the numbers does occur, but it's so third grade. I can spit farther than you. Big deal. Now try it facing into the wind.

    So, if you're outproducing me, great--it helps the science project. If you're cheating to look better, that says something about you, not me. Mostly likely that you need more help than I'm qualified to provide.

  16. SETI sucks and aliens don't exist. Trash SETI and try donating your computing cycles to medical research that has already benefited medicine. Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    SETI sucks and aliens don't exist.

    Trash SETI and try donating your computing cycles
    to medical research that has already benefited medicine.

  17. quote------ Where the hell did you get that info? 41%?? I've been a member for seti@netherlands for quite some time now and i had my ups and downs with returned WU's, but too say that 41% of S@NL cheats is a outragous claim that ISN'T confirmed Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    quote------

    Where the hell did you get that info? 41%?? I've been a member for seti@netherlands for quite some time now and i had my ups and downs with returned WU's, but too say that 41% of S@NL cheats is a outragous claim that ISN'T confirmed by the team leader of S@NL.

    ----Quote

    Of 7 million WU's around 3 million are held by accounts that have suspect production. Thats where the number comes from.

    Its not 41% of the team, its 41% of the teams production

    Cheating is really, really easy. In testing we where able to produce around 1000 WU's each HOUR using simple tricks, to prove that the cheats are possible.

    There are patterns to look for, and we looked, the stats are public domain, and discussions of the cheating has been all over a number of forums and IRC channels for a while.

    Berkeley have not responded to inquiries regarding suspicios accounts, even those that we have setup up to prove the cheat !

    The checking is flawed, the project is probably way too sucessfull for Berkeley to handle, the team/group competition looks to be in danger of being spoiled.

    The quotes are almost accurate - I said "borged" a lab, not bought, and one are two are in an odd context.

    The only thing missing to my mind is that its is not team organised cheating - ie not a team of cheats, but a set of accounts on a team that are being used to cheat.

    My appologies to the honest crunchers on seti.NL if that was the inference.

    ~max

  18. Wow.. Ok, none of you read.. for all you idiots out there bitching about how someone said 41% of the team cheats, read the article again.. if you still haven't figured it out, please bash your head into your screen until either the glass breaks, or y Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    Wow.. Ok, none of you read..
    for all you idiots out there bitching about how someone said 41% of the team cheats, read the article again.. if you still haven't figured it out, please bash your head into your screen until either the glass breaks, or your skull gives way.. thanks

  19. To Anonymous, I'd say fix your team first. You freely admit you have cheaters.. Get rid of them. Then you will have a leg to stand on. I too am a proud member of Team Phoenix Rising. I was brought to never cheat, and that cheaters never prosper. Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    To Anonymous,
    I'd say fix your team first. You freely admit you have cheaters.. Get rid of them. Then you will have a leg to stand on. I too am a proud member of Team Phoenix Rising. I was brought to never cheat, and that cheaters never prosper. Well, we all know that there are cheaters that do prosper, but in this case, they are ruining millions of hours of work and time by honest users.

  20. Hmm, is really possible to cheat that way? I'm quite sure there has to be some kind of ID number for each unit. Let's say they have a datapackage, send it to 10 different people (or 3), each of those 10 packages would have it's own ID number, even though Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    Hmm, is really possible to cheat that way? I'm quite sure there has to be some kind of ID number for each unit. Let's say they have a datapackage, send it to 10 different people (or 3), each of those 10 packages would have it's own ID number, even though they cotain the same data. ID would also be connected to SETI account. Not really sure how it works but there has to be some kind of built in secure system. If not, I think it's farked and has to be fixed. :)

  21. I joined Seti@NL a while back and now have some 90000+ WU's completed. How did I do it? Easy. I'm a system administrator and have had about 100 computers running seti@home at night since mid-1999. No cheating involved, no keeping older clients running b/c Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    I joined Seti@NL a while back and now have some 90000+ WU's completed. How did I do it? Easy. I'm a system administrator and have had about 100 computers running seti@home at night since mid-1999. No cheating involved, no keeping older clients running b/c they process a unit faster. I'm a former astronomy student, so I won't cheat. I'm still about to break 6 figures though :-)

  22. Saving Angels, You are mistaking by saying that "we" should get rid of the cheaters. We cant that is the big issue here. Only berkely can remove users from a team. Furthermore all teams have cheaters. Unfortunatly there S@NL LittleT -- 01/11/02

    Saving Angels,

    You are mistaking by saying that "we" should get rid of the cheaters.
    We cant that is the big issue here. Only berkely can remove users from a team.
    Furthermore all teams have cheaters.
    Unfortunatly there are always people who cheat.

    Lento,

    On our forum this link was posted it is of someone who wants to show how easy it is to cheat. ( It is not a member of our team and we have no affiliation with it).
    http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/...20is%20Possible

    Regards,
    S@NL LittleT 1877 Honest wu's

  23. Motorboat from malaysia was the first our team knew about cheating by using partial wu... they actually had a numerous following so one of our fellows went into their site and discovered the method described here... it works. Once we made tests I advised Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    Motorboat from malaysia was the first our team knew about cheating by using partial wu... they actually had a numerous following so one of our fellows went into their site and discovered the method described here... it works. Once we made tests I advised David Anderson at seti and although he did take a while to respond (by stop receiving wu from him) it did take the better part of two weeks. And motorboat made a dash or two again by changing e-mail accounts.

    Seti´s security features marks a wu after it is done with the e-mail of the person but by sharing a wu 99% done it is possible to replicate a single wu into responses by many. For that purpose there has to be an organizer and a website for coordination and sharing. By finding this site it is posible to identify al cheating parties and make them stop.

    The problem with this article is that the method to cheat has become of public record which could encourage unscrupulous seti user to try it for themselves. The problem with the seti@NL is that the team founder has not identified the cheats and kick them out. Yes he can kick any team member out of his team. It´s a pity for the 4 million which have used much of their time and resources to the proyect.

  24. SETI is listening, I repeat SETI crew is listening. There will be a response from SETI Management, it is untrue that they are ignoring the issue and situation. David McOwen -- 01/11/02

    SETI is listening, I repeat SETI crew is listening. There will be a response from SETI Management, it is untrue that they are ignoring the issue and situation.

  25. The American CIA is trying to discredit SETI@home. They are worried that SETI actually has been successful. Deep Throat -- 01/11/02

    The American CIA is trying to discredit SETI@home. They are worried that SETI actually has been successful.

  26. Fold protiens to cure cancer. timothy mayes -- 01/11/02

    Fold protiens to cure cancer.

  27. Who's to really say that these people are cheating? I am currently processing obout 150+ WU's per week and that will increase quickly over the newxt few weeks - does this mean that I have tons of 1Ghz machines - NO ! I currently have 1 Anonymous -- 01/11/02

    Who's to really say that these people are cheating?

    I am currently processing obout 150+ WU's per week and that will increase quickly over the newxt few weeks - does this mean that I have tons of 1Ghz machines - NO !

    I currently have 10 machines running SETI@home all the time, these range from an Athlon XP 2100+ to an Intel Petium II 266Mhz CPU.

    Most people who are crunching tons of WU's are doing this as they are IT people with access to lost of machines and servers, these people can install SETI@home on all the machines they can get theor hands on, use their account details and crunch tons of WU's per day.

    Friends of mine are crunching about 300WU's per day and not cheating, so this really is possible to do!

    What's wrong with that??

    I think that these people are just sore because a rival team has just got into hight gear - this does NOT mean that they're cheating to me!

  28. What dustroom says is: no, there are no cheating bastards at seti... everything is ok... not to worry! I am begining to believe the people that read this article and this mag don´t have anything between their ears! Take the comment about t Anonymous -- 02/11/02

    What dustroom says is: no, there are no cheating bastards at seti... everything is ok... not to worry!

    I am begining to believe the people that read this article and this mag don´t have anything between their ears! Take the comment about the cia? Common! Be real!

  29. Does this 'cheating' actually affect SETI? Other than the unlikely arrival of a triple set of erroneous results that might not be caught when the valid results appear, SETI still receives as much actual effort as it would without the cheating. I have an i Anonymous -- 02/11/02

    Does this 'cheating' actually affect SETI? Other than the unlikely arrival of a triple set of erroneous results that might not be caught when the valid results appear, SETI still receives as much actual effort as it would without the cheating. I have an idea how one could increase one's apparent productivity rather easily (though I'm not telling anyone here about it) without requiring fancy hacker skills. Extra units, or copies of units, that show up at Berkeley are automatically compared with existing copies of that result for entry into the database, and the programmers at SETI have better things to do than chase down those who put more importance on their ranking than on their actual contribution. The issue isn't worth all this fuss.

  30. I am not saying that Seti@home is useless, but I think the possibility of actually finding alien life form is really small. So I suggest you use your computer to do something that might actually help humanity. Join United Devices, they are currently worki Anonymous -- 02/11/02

    I am not saying that Seti@home is useless, but I think the possibility of actually finding alien life form is really small. So I suggest you use your computer to do something that might actually help humanity. Join United Devices, they are currently working on a Cancer Project. Finding a cure for cancer is closer to reality than finding ET's. (Although if we find them, they might be able to help us find a cure more easily).

  31. Nobody wants cheaters!!!!!! Anonymous -- 03/11/02

    Nobody wants cheaters!!!!!!

  32. Having read these comments, I can only say this- there is almost certainly cheating going on(the something for nothing mentality), and the boys at SETI@Home had best get off their butts and do something about it. The new system coming in to replace SETI@H Jay Crandall -- 06/11/02

    Having read these comments, I can only say this- there is almost certainly cheating going on(the something for nothing mentality), and the boys at SETI@Home had best get off their butts and do something about it. The new system coming in to replace SETI@Home is much harder to cheat, but that's never stopped anyone from trying! The companies sponsoring SETI@Home won't care to pony up the cash for SETI@HomeII, if they can't be(reasonably)sure that it's worth it...

  33. If they can't stop cheating, they can at least minimize it. One way is to eliminate the teams competition and work only with individuals. How can you tell whether it's an individual or a team? By filtering the input to permit no more than, say, 6 work Anonymous -- 07/11/02

    If they can't stop cheating, they can at least minimize it. One way is to eliminate the teams competition and work only with individuals. How can you tell whether it's an individual or a team? By filtering the input to permit no more than, say, 6 work units per day per user. If someone wants to set up 35 computers in his garage, fine. He gets 35 IDs, with no way to combine the results except in his own mind.

  34. OK.. I work as a SUN Consultant. So I had Seti running on servers by my former employee. (read SUN Starfire 15K servers with up to 106 Ultra SparC III, 900 MHZ procs). With a little calculation this means, about 4 hours to complete a WU, so 4 X 106 X 6 = Anonymous -- 07/11/02

    OK.. I work as a SUN Consultant. So I had Seti running on servers by my former employee. (read SUN Starfire 15K servers with up to 106 Ultra SparC III, 900 MHZ procs). With a little calculation this means, about 4 hours to complete a WU, so 4 X 106 X 6 = 2544. This X 6 to have a 24 hour period = 15264 WU`s a day to complete. And then there are people who have their their own network at home. Meaning about 4 pc`s Average pt3 ,1 gig = again is 16 WU`s + people at work/company +- about 100 Employee`s with Pt 4 systems is 600 Wu`s a day... SO it isn`t to hard to get high results.. Specially if you know how to disctribute seti on your buissness network, without anybody noticing it ;-) So I think this is a very sick news message. No proof, no guilt! So do your job first verify you news before you post it!!!

  35. "Tapar el sol con un dedo" means in English "to shut the sun with a finger". You my dear friend sparC intends this, for no proof: get a load of this take off Malaysia tops: 9) Malaysia BOLEH ! 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10041 0. Anonymous -- 15/11/02

    "Tapar el sol con un dedo" means in English "to shut the sun with a finger".

    You my dear friend sparC intends this, for no proof: get a load of this take off Malaysia tops:

    9) Malaysia BOLEH ! 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10041 0.0
    10) Leep Thye Trading & Transport Sdn Bhd 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10001 0.0
    11) Mervyn 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9431 0.0
    12) fook 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7887 0.0
    13) LiteSpeed - [ Folding@Home ] 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6824 0.0
    14) In.Tech (The Star) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6608 0.0

    This stats were taken from setiatwork and demonstrates that heavy winners suddenly retired from the program. I am of the impresion that some of you are totally into the cheat game when our game is actual science! That sucks! When the whistle blows you try to kill or descredit the whistleblower and that is a no no.

    You may be able to discredit people like the authors of this article but you will decieve only the not knowledgeable. Everybody at seti@home has been waiting to see the aftermath. On my calendar, you deserve zero! Even if you have 161 workstations at your disposal.

    To say there are no cheats is paramount to doing it and keep your wu. We have to denounce cheats in all manners of life, including seti@home.

  36. Unreliable Results! The main point isn't the cheating - it's that the built in checks can be over-ridden by cheating. Come on guys - let's find extraterrestial life, not unreliable results from earth. And folding proteins to cure canc Andrew -- 18/11/02

    Unreliable Results!

    The main point isn't the cheating - it's that the built in checks can be over-ridden by cheating. Come on guys - let's find extraterrestial life, not unreliable results from earth.

    And folding proteins to cure cancer? Sure - when my donated processor power isn't sold to the highest bidding pharmacuetical company.

  37. To bad that there is "only being spoken" about seti@NL! I have seen that also Germany and in the USA a lot of cheating is going on. I got 14736 WU's in little over a year. 10 2.2Ghz Dell's in our lab are working with in the background the c Anonymous -- 21/11/02

    To bad that there is "only being spoken" about seti@NL! I have seen that also Germany and in the USA a lot of cheating is going on.
    I got 14736 WU's in little over a year. 10 2.2Ghz Dell's in our lab are working with in the background the commandline tool, that's 8 WU's per PC ;-)

    If I would be an administrator at a large site, and I put the commandline with setihide on them, no user would "notice" but I would receive hundreds of WU's per day.

    Cheating is not good, but from this story it looks like all chrunchers with a high number of WU's is cheating, and that the people from the Netherlands are the worst of all!

    Please take a look at www.seti.nl, and you can see that this is not the case!

  38. re: S@NL LittleT > It is said that a 1 Ghz processor wich is > dedicated for crunching wu's will take 6 hours > to finish a workunit. > Well excuse me but i have a 1 GHZ laptop wich is > most defenitly not ded Ron E -- 25/01/03

    re: S@NL LittleT

    > It is said that a 1 Ghz processor wich is
    > dedicated for crunching wu's will take 6 hours
    > to finish a workunit.
    > Well excuse me but i have a 1 GHZ laptop wich is
    > most defenitly not dedicated for Seti@Home and
    > it crunches a workunit in about 4,5-5,5 hours.
    > So how did you come up with those numbers??

    Actually, I'd like to know that too, but I have a 2.4 Gig Pentium 4 with 256 Meg ram, and it is taking about 25 to 27 hours to process a WU. So how are people getting these numbers. I've been at this for more than 3 years (Fri May 21 07:57:22 1999) and usually had two or even three computers working at it, yet I've only completed 620+ wu in 25569 hours.
    I never really looked at this as a competition, just a good thing to do with my spare cycles, but it does bother me to realize that there are people who are so (words fail me) that they care more about their standing then getting real results back, and therefore we may miss the point, which is finding ET out there.

  39. Its a sad commentary on humanity that there are those who find more satisfaction in pumping up their self-esteem through cheating/lying than the potential rewards of an alien encounter. When the aliens arrive, I hope all the cheaters are at the P. Allen -- 10/07/03

    Its a sad commentary on humanity that there are those who find more satisfaction in pumping up their self-esteem through cheating/lying than the potential rewards of an alien encounter.

    When the aliens arrive, I hope all the cheaters are at the head of the line to get probed!

    I found this site through a Google search on "seti@home cheat", because another seti user in my class rank had mysteriously jumped from about 2500 (total from 6/16/02 till 7/6/03, or 45/wk avg) to over 3900… a gain of over 1400 in one week. I figured he must have got a new Cray supercomputer for his birthday, or perhaps 30 high-end desktops (my AMD 2100+ XP, the fastest puter I’m using, only puts out 45/week tops). But it appears this is not the case.

    Its not very surprising that cheating 'can' occur, but that it 'does' occur, over such a trivial, and for the most part, anonymous matter.

    If anyone’s interested, my seti@home username is “Peter W. Allen (ICQ 719260)”, registered 6/16/02. I’m currently running 3 puters at home, and just began using 5 at work this month (all work puters are PII-500MHz or less, so very slow), but every little bit helps, especially when I’m not paying the electric bill.

    PS: about the guy running 35 PC's in his garage mentioned in the article... I'd hate to have his electrical bill, although I'll bet he doesn't have to run his heater very often :)

  40. Re: Ron E -- You should be getting much better yield with that than that behemoth, probably 3-4 hrs/WU, based on what I'm getting on my computers... 4-5 hr/WU on an AMD 2100+ XP (AMD's do rule though, lol), and 22-26hr/WU on PII-266. One thi P. Allen -- 10/07/03

    Re: Ron E -- You should be getting much better yield with that than that behemoth, probably 3-4 hrs/WU, based on what I'm getting on my computers... 4-5 hr/WU on an AMD 2100+ XP (AMD's do rule though, lol), and 22-26hr/WU on PII-266.

    One thing that'll zap your yield for sure is having the Seti@home client running as your screensaver, or having any screensaver will affect it somewhat, but seti screensaver is the worst. It'll increase time/WU by a factor of 2-5, depending on the computer from my experience. Just set your screensaver to none in your display properties.

    I don't want to come across like some of these jerks that are in this thing just for the numbers, just that you're paying for the electricity, so you and seti might as well get all you can out of it.

    Hope this fixes your problems.

  41. 7 reasons we will never visit humans 7: Only the greediest ones are allowed to rule the rest. 6: they are destroying their own planet we do not want them to come here and destroy ours. 5: A large number of them have mental di AN ALIEN -- 17/12/03

    7 reasons we will never visit humans

    7: Only the greediest ones are allowed to rule the rest.

    6: they are destroying their own planet we do not want them to come here and destroy ours.

    5: A large number of them have mental difficulties, causing them to believe in imaginary friends they call "gods"

    4: Evolution is being reversed. stupid humans breed more than smart ones.

    3: see 5: having different imaginary friends cause them to fight Insanely.

    2: we saw how humans would treat aliens on "alien autopsy"

    1: They cheated at SETI!

  42. There must be some way people can PROVE that they own or have control over the systems they use for distributated computing. It's simply an accounting and auditing problem....you list the computers and processors they use and it's very, very simple to s Anonymous -- 09/04/04

    There must be some way people can PROVE that they own or have control over the systems they use for distributated computing. It's simply an accounting and auditing problem....you list the computers and processors they use and it's very, very simple to see if the number of work units processed is possible for the number of machines under a persons control.

    Anyone that doubts just how hard it is too get large numbers of work units with SETI just has to download the seti program and see just how fast their own computer is. Then get a calculater once you've figures out how many hours it takes to complete 1 work unit and see just how many computers a person would have too have working for say 1, 2, 3, 4 years to process some of the obsenely high numbers some people have. Some people DO have access too large numbers of computers....but it's not UNREASONABLE for the few that do to be able too provide some sort of PROOF of it.

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