US Linux litigation could stop AU court moves: SCO

Iain Ferguson

20 November 2003 04:30 PM

Tags: kieran, o'shaughnessy, linux, unix, sco, source, open, court

A favourable outcome from planned litigation in the US by the SCO Group against large corporate users of Linux who decline to pay the vendor for allegedly exploiting its intellectual property could reduce the likelihood of similar litigation here, SCO's Australian boss has hinted.

Kieran O'Shaughnessy told ZDNet Australia   a US court decision in SCO's favour could prompt commercial users of Linux in Australia to kick off negotiations to secure licences covering their use of the open source software rather than deal with the issue via the courts.

"If and when that decision comes through, it could mean there's no need to take [court action in Australia], as local corporates could see [a favourable US decision] as establishing SCO's claims," O'Shaughnessy said.

He said while a court decision in the US would not establish a formal legal precedent in Australia, it could nevertheless influence commercial and legal developments here.

However, O'Shaughnessy stressed that while litigation was "a last resort," the company "always retained the right to file claims against users who are not forthcoming with compensation".

The Australian and New Zealand managing director reaffirmed that he had decided not to run his campaign to secure revenue for the alleged use of SCO's intellectual property by Linux users here in parallel with the US campaign, but would instead wait and learn from the US experience.

"This is new ground here," he said.

He told ZDNet Australia   the company globally was establishing a framework for the means by which it would pursue financial compensation for alleged intellectual property breaches related to the use of SCO's Unix code in Linux.

The SCO Group's US headquarters said this week it had signed an agreement with the law firm of David Boies -- which is already handling SCO's case against Big Blue -- to pursue Linux copyright cases in the US. The first lawsuits are expected to be filed within 90 days. The company has said, however, the lawsuits would be preceded by a communications process which could eliminate the need for litigation.

O'Shaughnessy reaffirmed that there was unlikely to be any movement until the first quarter of 2004 on making available licences for Australian users which would allow them to pay the SCO Group an agreed price for their use of Linux.

He said he had heard nothing more from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission about a complaint from open source advocacy group Open Source Victoria (OSV), who had filed a complaint several weeks ago over the SCO Group's activities in relation to open source.

OSV had argued that the vendor's call for commercial users of Linux to purchase licences to legitimise their use of the open source software breached those provisions of the Trade Practices Act dealing with misleading and deceptive conduct.

Con Zymaris, a high-profile member of OSV, told ZDNet Australia   he had heard nothing since the ACCC formally requested a response from the SCO Group in Australia.

He said that "if [the SCO Group] does proceed with the licences and they 'market' them in a particular way, it leaves them open to further claims of misrepresentation of need, which contradicts Trade Practices Act requirements.

"Linux users do not need SCO licences to legally run Linux.

"SCO have shown zero worthwhile proof in 10 months of blathering and more importantly, no court has ruled that SCO has a case".

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  1. And pigs could fly, too... SCO doesn't have a hope in hell with this scam. There is no proprietary SCO code in Linux; SCO have had 10 months to prove this and have not shown a single shred of believable evidence. We're all b Anonymous -- 20/11/03

    And pigs could fly, too...

    SCO doesn't have a hope in hell with this scam.

    There is no proprietary SCO code in Linux; SCO have had 10 months to prove this and have not shown a single shred of believable evidence.

    We're all bored of this SCO nonsense. Let's just move on.

  2. I love the logic that the "defenders of the linux faith" use to reassure themselves against litigation... SCO haven't publicly shown the code, so their claims must be false. I'm sure your world will stay just as it is, as long as you don't pul Anonymous -- 21/11/03

    I love the logic that the "defenders of the linux faith" use to reassure themselves against litigation... SCO haven't publicly shown the code, so their claims must be false. I'm sure your world will stay just as it is, as long as you don't pull your head out of the sand. It should be obvious to any reasonable person that no claims can be made with regards to this code until a COURT OF LAW has reviewed the case and MADE A RULING. Until then, anything that anyone says is PURE SPECULATION and nothing more...

  3. Jason, it is not pure speculation. You can actually download the source code of the Linux kernel now and if you have source code of System V, you can simply compare. Which is what some Linux people with access to System V source already did (e.g. ESR). Anonymous -- 21/11/03

    Jason, it is not pure speculation. You can actually download the source code of the Linux kernel now and if you have source code of System V, you can simply compare. Which is what some Linux people with access to System V source already did (e.g. ESR).

    As far as what SCO were showing goes, that's already been proven to be public domain and/or clean implementation.

  4. SCO has already show the code where they based their accusations on. But every bit of code they claimed was counteracted by the advocates of Linux. And proven to be public domain. On conterary : IBM has proven that SCO has infringed their copyr Anonymous -- 21/11/03

    SCO has already show the code where they based their accusations on. But every bit of code they claimed was counteracted by the advocates of Linux. And proven to be public domain.

    On conterary : IBM has proven that SCO has infringed their copyright and has filed a lawsuit against SCO.

    Anyone who puts money into SCO, whether for licenses or share is a fool, because the capital of SCO won't be sufficient to pay the licence fee to IBM.

  5. Dream on ... "planned litigation" -- over what? Mere users of Linux aren't breaking any copyright, trade secret, contract or patent laws, *EVEN IF* IBM or someone else put SYSV stuff into Linux that they shouldn't have. Anonymous -- 21/11/03

    Dream on ...

    "planned litigation" -- over what?
    Mere users of Linux aren't breaking any copyright, trade secret, contract or patent laws, *EVEN IF* IBM or someone else put SYSV stuff into Linux that they shouldn't have.

    "planned litigation" -- this has been threatened many times since January. If they have a valid case, why hadn't they done so yet -- and reaped the benefits of companies paying them license fees?

    Run, don't walk to http://groklaw.net for all the details, analysis and commentanry you need.

  6. What a wonder. Someone still willing to destroy their own reputation by pretending SCO has some sort of case. Anonymous -- 21/11/03

    What a wonder.

    Someone still willing to destroy their own reputation by pretending SCO has some sort of case.

  7. Poor Jason, he doesn't understand US law. When you sue someone here, you have to let them know what it's all about. Let me try and make it simple, you can't just make a claim and sue someone without providing the oposing side to see your evidence. Henc Anonymous -- 22/11/03

    Poor Jason, he doesn't understand US law. When you sue someone here, you have to let them know what it's all about. Let me try and make it simple, you can't just make a claim and sue someone without providing the oposing side to see your evidence. Hence no evidence, no case. It'll probably turn out that SCO stole from the Linux kernel and now clain it as their own, since it looks like UNIX and all UNIX belongs to SCO, etc, etc. SCO has no product but litigation and they'll eventually all be in jail for stock fraud.

  8. A saner article zdnet UK: http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/rupertgoodwins/0,39020691,39118030-2,00.htm Anonymous -- 22/11/03

    A saner article zdnet UK:

    http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/rupertgoodwins/0,39020691,39118030-2,00.htm

  9. I actually believe that these type of editorials actually damage Linux to a certain extent & are possibly pushed, created & paid for by Microsoft. As with one original statement that IBM will swallow SCO, which would be quite possible except that Rex Alfie Lee -- 22/11/03

    I actually believe that these type of editorials actually damage Linux to a certain extent & are possibly pushed, created & paid for by Microsoft. As with one original statement that IBM will swallow SCO, which would be quite possible except that SCO has the backing of Microsoft zillions.

    My contention here is that much of the continued gripe against the success of Linux over SCO is based upon Microsoft's attempts to make Linux for anyone who has limited understanding of the case. Microsoft is attempting to slow the progress of technology & the world is moving away from them & so they are fighting back the only way they know, as they did with Java, by making this technology seem unimportant. Microsoft is the one we need to focus on in all this & what we need to do as Linux supporters is respond to Microsft, not pathetic little turnsoats like SCO.

  10. Sorry about the errors - read this one instead - I actually believe that these type of editorials actually damage Linux to a certain extent & are possibly pushed, created & paid for by Microsoft. As with one original statement that IBM w Rex Alfie Lee -- 22/11/03

    Sorry about the errors - read this one instead -

    I actually believe that these type of editorials actually damage Linux to a certain extent & are possibly pushed, created & paid for by Microsoft. As with one original statement that IBM will swallow SCO, which would be quite possible except that SCO has the backing of Microsoft zillions.

    My contention here is that much of the continued gripe against the success of Linux over SCO is based upon Microsoft's attempts to make Linux appear flawed for anyone who has limited understanding of the case. Microsoft is attempting to slow the progress of technology & the world is moving away from them & so they are fighting back the only way they know, as they did with Java, by making this technology seem unimportant. Microsoft is the one we need to focus on in all this & what we need to do as Linux supporters is respond to Microsft, not pathetic little turncoats like SCO.

  11. Article title is CORRECT! Reworking the first paragraph ... A *UN*-favourable outcome from *current* litigation in the US by the SCO Group versus IBM and Red Hat *will definitely* reduce the likelihood of litigation against users of Li Anonymous -- 22/11/03

    Article title is CORRECT!

    Reworking the first paragraph ...

    A *UN*-favourable outcome from *current* litigation in the US by the SCO Group versus IBM and Red Hat *will definitely* reduce the likelihood of litigation against users of Linux here.

  12. Heads up to the media. http://www.groklaw.net/ The author of this piece should go and read it. Anonymous -- 23/11/03

    Heads up to the media.

    http://www.groklaw.net/

    The author of this piece should go and read it.

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