UPDATE: Linus Torvalds claims SCO 'smoking gun' backfires

Patrick Gray

20 August 2003 11:50 AM

Tags: linux, ibm, sco, bsd, code, unix code

SCO's display of code it alleges was copied into the Linux kernel by IBM -- a piece of evidence critical to its US$3 billion lawsuit against Big Blue -- has come under fire from Linus Torvalds and Linux advocates who claim the code shown was released under an open-source licence several years ago.

The ruckus erupted when SCO showed its "smoking gun" to delegates at its conference in Las Vegas yesterday. A German journalist photographed and published two of SCO's presentation slides. The slides then came under the full scrutiny of Linux advocates, with one, former Hewlett-Packard open source strategist Bruce Perens, publishing a damning analysis online.

Perens claims the code can be traced to AT&T, which developed the Unix code eventually sold to SCO, and was written as far back as 1973. Since then it has been released under varying licences as open source code -- Perens argues that even Caldera, the company now known as SCO, made the code open itself under a special license.

Furthermore, he said, it was released under the BSD license. Copies of the BSD code are freely available online and include the developer comments SCO allege were proof of code theft. "No violation of SCO's copyright or trade secrets is taking place," Perens argues.

Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, told ZDNet Australia  by e-mail the alleged blunder wasn't a surprise. "Hey, that was what we claimed was the most likely source of common code from the very first time," he wrote.

"So one code snippet was from pretty much original Unix -- and yes, Caldera released the old Unix code itself back when they still remembered that they made all their IPO money off Linux -- which is interesting partly because it shows how SCO has been lying all along: they said several times how they are talking about SysVr4 code, not 'old Unix' code, and now they show old Unix code on their slides."

"The other snippet they showed was apparently from the 'netfilter' code, which is not old Unix, but is definitely BSD licensed and freely usable," he added.

While Perens says the SCO team did a good job of finding duplicated code, "they didn't take the additional step of checking whether or not the code had been released for others to copy legally.

"It strikes me that SCO would show their best example. This is it?!?!? Hoary old code from 1973 that's been all over the net for three decades and is released under a license that allows the Linux developers to use it with impunity? If this is their best example, they are bound to lose."

When AT&T took BSD to court back in 1992 in a case that is similar to the SCO lawsuit, AT&T, in the form of Unix System Laboratories, lost.

"Since Plaintiff has failed to provide enough evidence to establish a 'reasonable probability' that Net2 or BSD/386 contain trade secrets, I find that Plaintiff has failed to demonstrate a likelihood of success on the merits of its claim for misappropriation of trade secrets. No preliminary injunction will issue," the final judgement read.

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Talkback 9 comments

  1. In any decent society one is only guilty after this is proven in court. So how can SCO sent letters to companies to pay a license, just by shouting around that these companies have copied code. It is a big shame this is happening. Anonymous -- 20/08/03

    In any decent society one is only guilty
    after this is proven in court. So how can SCO sent
    letters to companies to pay a license, just by
    shouting around that these companies have
    copied code. It is a big shame this is happening.
    In the background one single company must be
    silently lauching, although they seem to have payed for this :=)

  2. >>>> While Perens says the SCO team did a good job of finding duplicated code, "they didn't take the additional step of checking whether or not the code had been released for others to copy legally". Thomas Drazul -- 21/08/03

    >>>> While Perens says the SCO team did a good job of finding duplicated code, "they didn't take the additional step of checking whether or not the code had been released for others to copy legally".

  3. Big loser in all of this is MS :) Betcha they were jumping up and down thinking Linux was going to turn into a commercial product. Anonymous -- 21/08/03

    Big loser in all of this is MS :) Betcha they were jumping up and down thinking Linux was going to turn into a commercial product.

  4. Maybe you guys have forgotten that this matter is yet to go before a court of law? How can you assume that the opinion of Linus, or anybody for that matter, would have any impact on the final outcome? Until this matter goes before a court, anything that Anonymous -- 21/08/03

    Maybe you guys have forgotten that this matter is yet to go before a court of law? How can you assume that the opinion of Linus, or anybody for that matter, would have any impact on the final outcome? Until this matter goes before a court, anything that anybody says can only be speculation.
    If SCO has claimed to have found millions of lines of duplicated code, I think it fairly likely that some of it would be owned by the company. Declaring SCO liars based on a small sample of that code is laughable at best.
    I know the Linux community has a history of getting emotional over an operating system, but try and keep an open mind through all of this. After all, it's not a personal attack... SCO are trying to protect what they believe is Intellectual Property which belongs to them.

  5. RE: jason's Comments: If SCO has claimed to have found millions of lines of duplicated code, I think it fairly likely that some of it would be owned by the company. Declaring SCO liars based on a small sample of that code is laughable at best. martin english -- 21/08/03

    RE: jason's Comments:
    If SCO has claimed to have found millions of lines of duplicated code, I think it fairly likely that some of it would be owned by the company. Declaring SCO liars based on a small sample of that code is laughable at best.

    A) How representative is the sample shown by SCO ? One assumes that they would have shown code sample(s) that would cast them in the best light. If this is the best they've got, then they're done for.
    B) They have shown two samples of code, under controlled and limited conditions. If they had any faith in their case, they would have shown them publicly (posted on the web ?) and then gone to court.

  6. "After all, it's not a personal attack... SCO are trying to protect what they believe is Intellectual Property which belongs to them." Interesting, together with Darl Mcbride's assertion that IBM should be backing SCO on its fight to & Anonymous -- 21/08/03

    "After all, it's not a personal attack... SCO are trying to protect what they believe is Intellectual Property which belongs to them."

    Interesting, together with Darl Mcbride's assertion that IBM should be backing SCO on its fight to "defend its IP rights", in the very same week McBride as much as admitted SCO has violated IBM software patents.
    IBM only presented four examples of SCO patent violations out of possibly hundreds it can dredge up from its massive patent portfolio, and SCO's only defense was to claim IBM waited years to mention the violations?
    McBride can't seem to understand or admit that regardless of the outcome of its contract suit against IBM, its alleged patent violations are an entirely separate issue. Patents are IP property as well.

  7. Martin, how is it that you are so familiar with SCO's legal strategy? You assume far too much. Either there are cold hard facts, or there are opinions. You have demonstrated an opinion on this matter. I am not claiming that SCO's case is airtight, Anonymous -- 21/08/03

    Martin, how is it that you are so familiar with SCO's legal strategy? You assume far too much. Either there are cold hard facts, or there are opinions. You have demonstrated an opinion on this matter.
    I am not claiming that SCO's case is airtight, but at least i'm not displaying the arrogance of most of the Linux community by offering my opinions as fact.
    Again, until this matter has been presented before a court of law, NOTHING may be assumed. SCO has no obligation to display the allegedly infringing code to the public, as it might jeopardise their case. Unless you can claim to have viewed the entire NDA'd side-by-side comparison of code, AND have done an exhaustive investigation into the ownership of that code, you have no valid argument. Let's leave the law to the lawyers and your opinions to those who could care less.

  8. "I am not claiming that SCO's case is airtight, but at least i'm not displaying the arrogance of most of the Linux community by offering my opinions as fact." Arrogance? Such hostility. Is it safe to say you're not a Linux programmer? Anonymous -- 21/08/03

    "I am not claiming that SCO's case is airtight, but at least i'm not displaying the arrogance of most of the Linux community by offering my opinions as fact."

    Arrogance? Such hostility. Is it safe to say you're not a Linux programmer?
    It didn't take long for the slideshow SCO exhibited at the 2003 SCOForum to be investigated by enough people to verify the fraudulent nature of its claims *on that particular collection of code*.
    Given that, and McBride's reaction to the IBM patent allegations, SCO is fast building a pattern of dishonesty (code claim) and illegal behavior (patent violations) enough to cause anyone to question their voracity and truthfulness.
    Again I say that IBM's claims of SCO patent violations are a separate issue from any outcome in the contract dispute. If you can point to any legitimate references where McBride categorically denies the patent violation claims, I'd like to see them.
    So far, all SCO has countered with is that IBM waited a long time before bringing its complaint to light, something I said about SCO's code claims since SCO had both sets of code (UNIX and Linux) in house for years.
    IP is IP, whether it be plays, musical compositions, copyrighted code or patents.

  9. Jason which particular part of "IP" are you talking about? I know its a catchy rubric, but really! SCO has ONLY filed suit regarding a perceived contract breach by IBM. A court will be making a ruling in the SCO v IBM case based on contract law Anonymous -- 21/08/03

    Jason which particular part of "IP" are you talking about? I know its a catchy rubric, but really! SCO has ONLY filed suit regarding a perceived contract breach by IBM. A court will be making a ruling in the SCO v IBM case based on contract law - not "IP".

    Now if you are talking about patents (one of the heads of the four headed Hydra which is IP) then yes a court will be ruling upon IP issues, but this will be in the IBM v SCO case.

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