Microsoft kills off Outlook Express

It might be the world's most widely distributed e-mail client, but Microsoft has confirmed that it has no intention of further developing Outlook Express.

"[Outlook Express] just sits where it is," said Dan Leach, lead product manager for Microsoft's information worker product management group. "The technology doesn't go away, but no new work is being done. It is consumer e-mail in an early iteration, and our investment in the consumer space is now focused around Hotmail and MSN. That's where we're putting the emphasis in terms of new investment and new development work."

While Outlook Express has always been most popular with individual consumers, many business users have also utilised it, in part because it is part of the default Windows install. Microsoft executives are hoping those users will now switch to the full-blown Outlook client (and pay for an Office licence in the process).

"IMAP is just not a very rich protocol," Steve Conn, Exchange Server product manager, told ZDNet Australia during the company's Tech Ed conference. "The great majority of people used Outlook Express because they weren't on a LAN environment, and Outlook was just too fat for them."

The currently-in-beta Outlook 2003 client has much lower bandwidth requirements, he said. In May, Microsoft revealed that it was no longer planning to release standalone versions of Internet Explorer, which includes the Outlook Express functionality. Future releases will only be made available as part of the Windows platform.

Angus Kidman travelled to Tech Ed as a guest of Microsoft.

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  1. Hello, I use Outlook Express for my main Email program as i use message rules for all my email addresses, and for emails coming in from freinds and business contacts alike. I have found that Microsoft Outlooks message rules are way below the ea Anonymous -- 14/08/03

    Hello,

    I use Outlook Express for my main Email program as i use message rules for all my email addresses, and for emails coming in from freinds and business contacts alike. I have found that Microsoft Outlooks message rules are way below the ease and standards of Outlook Express. I think that if Microsoft are serious about "killing off outlook express" then they should perhaps look at making the message rules in Outlook much, much better.

    Thank you

  2. This is typical M$. They want you to have to pay for the full blown version of an email client, when the lighter version is currently free. Outlook comes as a part of office so you will pay and arm and a leg for it. In this same respect, now anytime you w Anonymous -- 14/08/03

    This is typical M$. They want you to have to pay for the full blown version of an email client, when the lighter version is currently free. Outlook comes as a part of office so you will pay and arm and a leg for it. In this same respect, now anytime you want to upgrade Internet Explorer, you can get ready to shell out $100 to $200 to buy a new version of Windows. This type of attitude is going to leave me with little choice but to switch to Apple. I hope they'll do something even more stupid than this so I can use that excuse to switch. Especially considering their programs and OSs are the crappiest pieces of software I have even seen to start with. Just look at the MSblaster worm as proof of this.

  3. Don't run to Apple too soon...try Linux. I've been a Mac designer using Outlook for years, but at home I use Linux for everything. There are many great email clients available for Linux. Currently using Kmail on my PC and Ximian Evolution on my Anonymous -- 14/08/03

    Don't run to Apple too soon...try Linux. I've been a Mac designer using Outlook for years, but at home I use Linux for everything. There are many great email clients available for Linux.

    Currently using Kmail on my PC and Ximian Evolution on my Mac (both run Linux as primary OS with dual-boot option to Windows and MacOS).

    Give the Penguin a try!

    1. Email clients Christopher Kleingeld -- 12/07/07

      I totally agree, why not use Linux, its free, stable and scalable. But if you don't want to take the OS change plunge, why not just use one of the free mail clients and browsers out there, I currently use mozilla firefox on my windows box, and there are no problems, IE along with all the MS products are made to be "user friendly" and therefore buggy, just google an alternative, who care if they want to discontinue express, anyway its there choice, its not the only "free" client, and its crap.

  4. The only thing I use MS OE for these days is as a newsreader. There are plenty of free and low-cost e-mail clients and newsreader clients out there. For instance, Pegasus Mail (which has been around since at least 1991) is available for free and has ver Anonymous -- 14/08/03

    The only thing I use MS OE for these days is as a newsreader. There are plenty of free and low-cost e-mail clients and newsreader clients out there. For instance, Pegasus Mail (which has been around since at least 1991) is available for free and has very powerful features (filter rules, content control, automation features). You came, you took over and destroyed the market, and then you left. Good bye MS OE.

  5. Outlook E's security holes killed it. At least one Global 1000 company (I used to work at) banned it from their 30,000 desktops after spending almost $5 million recovering from one of the OE virus/worm attacks. AFAIK, they went back to Eudora. Anonymous -- 14/08/03

    Outlook E's security holes killed it. At least one Global 1000 company (I used to work at) banned it from their 30,000 desktops after spending almost $5 million recovering from one of the OE virus/worm attacks. AFAIK, they went back to Eudora.

    Unless things have changed they don't need or want the fully integrated Outlook. They prefer to control their own destinty, not become a vassal of Microsoft.

  6. Might as well. Myself and a handleful of others at our company use Mozilla and you would not believe how often we avoid VB script virus infections. And to pay them for a full blown Outlook license would be even more ridiculous. There's more email clients RG -- 14/08/03

    Might as well. Myself and a handleful of others at our company use Mozilla and you would not believe how often we avoid VB script virus infections. And to pay them for a full blown Outlook license would be even more ridiculous. There's more email clients out there "than you can shake a stick at". Why pay MS for faulty insecure applications?

  7. Outlook Express ate my email. a -- 14/08/03

    Outlook Express ate my email.

  8. The story isn't true - a misconception/lack of information on the part of those being quoted. Sandi Hardmeier Sandi Hardmeier -- 14/08/03

    The story isn't true - a misconception/lack of information on the part of those being quoted.

    Sandi Hardmeier

    1. current news Anonymous -- 21/05/07

      How do I get current day's news on mozilla

  9. OE must die! Always buggy, with problems. Use TheBat! Hayk Asatyran -- 14/08/03

    OE must die!
    Always buggy, with problems.
    Use TheBat!

  10. He was misquoted, he actually said: IMAP will not make microsoft rich :-) Anonymous -- 15/08/03

    He was misquoted, he actually said:

    IMAP will not make microsoft rich

    :-)

  11. More like "we can't make money off IMAP, so we'll just say it stinks". Unfortunately, IMAP support is better in OE than in Outlook. Personally, I don't care. Mozilla is better anyway. Anonymous -- 15/08/03

    More like "we can't make money off IMAP, so we'll just say it stinks". Unfortunately, IMAP support is better in OE than in Outlook.

    Personally, I don't care. Mozilla is better anyway.

  12. If Microsoft were to dump OE, I couldn't be happier. As a Desktop Apps trainer and small business owner/operator, OE has been a thorn in my side for years. You can't uninstall it without affecting Outlook, and at best, it is flaky. Good riddance, I say! Anonymous -- 15/08/03

    If Microsoft were to dump OE, I couldn't be happier. As a Desktop Apps trainer and small business owner/operator, OE has been a thorn in my side for years. You can't uninstall it without affecting Outlook, and at best, it is flaky. Good riddance, I say!

  13. Who needs the slow M$ bloatware when other faster alternatives are available such as Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird and Thunderbird. Anonymous -- 15/08/03

    Who needs the slow M$ bloatware when other faster alternatives are available such as Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird and Thunderbird.

  14. Thunderbird is the next generation of email client - full of features even the new 3 plane virtical view that Outlook 03 has. Die OE Die www.mozilla.org Anonymous -- 15/08/03

    Thunderbird is the next generation of email client - full of features even the new 3 plane virtical view that Outlook 03 has.
    Die OE Die
    www.mozilla.org

  15. For years Microsoft gave software away for free to undercut the competition. They knew if they charged a competative price many customers would not use Microsoft's solution. One of the arguments that Microcost (spelling intended) has been using carlton lee -- 15/08/03

    For years Microsoft gave software away for free to undercut the competition. They knew if they charged a competative price many customers would not use Microsoft's solution.

    One of the arguments that Microcost (spelling intended) has been using against open source software is that if the developer decides to stop working on a product the consumer will lose out. Well Microcost has decided to stop working on a product despite the fact that some of their customers will lose out.

    For me I'll stick to Evolution. If the developer decides to stop developement someone else will continue it.

    Thanks,

  16. Good riddance; bad rubbish! OE was better in some ways than Claris Emailer or Eudora back when it came out, but it was based on a flawed database model that kept changing and rendering old email data obsolete and unusable. I was sucked in but am glad Anonymous -- 16/08/03

    Good riddance; bad rubbish!
    OE was better in some ways than Claris Emailer or Eudora back when it came out, but it was based on a flawed database model that kept changing and rendering old email data obsolete and unusable. I was sucked in but am glad to be free of it...

  17. Who Cares? I've never used OE and never intend to. It's widely believed that OE is vulnerable to hackers, so why should I make it easy for them? I don't use email much, and find that an old version of Pegasus is adequate. Anonymous -- 18/08/03

    Who Cares?
    I've never used OE and never intend to. It's widely believed that OE is vulnerable to hackers, so why should I make it easy for them? I don't use email much, and find that an old version of Pegasus is adequate.

  18. What a joke? Outlook Express has made Microsoft so much money even though it is free. Its just more of Microsoft stirring the pot again to get people fired up. Contrary to what microsoft believes webmail is not the way of the future. Remember wh Anonymous -- 24/08/03

    What a joke? Outlook Express has made Microsoft so much money even though it is free. Its just more of Microsoft stirring the pot again to get people fired up. Contrary to what microsoft believes webmail is not the way of the future.

    Remember when Bill Gates said 640KB of memory is all home users will ever need? Or how about when ol' Billy said the public would never buy into the whole Internet concept!

    Bill Gates was wrong then and Microsoft is wrong now. Home users just don't need the full blown Outlook program.

    I love Outlook Express and have used it since the beginning with minimal problems. So everyone will just burn their copies to CD's or DVD's and Microsoft can go ahead and shoot themselves in the foot which is all they will do.

    Most people only use web based mail for junk accounts anyway? They are just a way to sign up for things and not have to give out your real e-mail address....You have to wonder if Microsoft will ever wake up and smell the coffee....Or maybe they have cos they sure like to stir things up all the time!

  19. i hate OE worthless piece of **** but now i need to get my HP fax machine address book to work. Anonymous -- 14/11/03

    i hate OE worthless piece of **** but now i need to get my HP fax machine address book to work.

  20. If Microsoft were to stop improving Outlook Express, I'd have no reason to use Windows. Anonymous -- 11/12/03

    If Microsoft were to stop improving Outlook Express, I'd have no reason to use Windows.

    1. outlook express Anonymous -- 26/09/06

      Ive had no probs with it. Have had heaps with the firefox one.. whatever it was called. I erased it from my memory.. it will import from outlook express but will not export to outlook express.. how Crass..
      How can I stop Outlook' from taking over my outlook express? It came in microsoft office 2003 proffesional? it asks me to create an identity and I am admin.

  21. YES!The world will be a better place to e-mail in when Outlook Express is gone.What's a blankety-blank pop3 or any of the other techno-crap I need to figure out just to send a simple stupid e-mail?Who is my server?What's my mothers maiden name?Do I prefer Anonymous -- 21/01/04

    YES!The world will be a better place to e-mail in when Outlook Express is gone.What's a blankety-blank pop3 or any of the other techno-crap I need to figure out just to send a simple stupid e-mail?Who is my server?What's my mothers maiden name?Do I prefer chocolate or vanilla?I would LOVE to talk to the Prick Nerd who invented this system thinking the average guy with a computer could figure it out,just because HE had doctorate in computer-techno-BS. Die OE.

  22. I would like to find a place to D/L outlook express. Is it free or what? If you know E-Mail me, Thanks, REX R. BAHR rexbahr@hotmail.com Anonymous -- 18/02/04

    I would like to find a place to D/L outlook express. Is it free or what?
    If you know E-Mail me,
    Thanks, REX R. BAHR

    rexbahr@hotmail.com

  23. My Inbox has dleted from outlook bar! How can I replace it? Anonymous -- 29/03/04

    My Inbox has dleted from outlook bar!
    How can I replace it?

  24. Typical: Another giant leap backwards by the big companies of the world. I have used Outlook Express for years, complete with hotmail, but I have had to stop using it due to their security program stopping auto servers.I am NOT an auto server, but my Anonymous -- 26/02/05

    Typical: Another giant leap backwards by the big companies of the world.
    I have used Outlook Express for years, complete with hotmail, but I have had to stop using it due to their security program stopping auto servers.I am NOT an auto server, but my Hotmail emails have been made inaccesible by this security feature. I have been caught in a loop of inputting my logon and p****word and inputting the security code. I can't escape it. No matter how many times I try, I have to do it again and again. So--- goodbye Hotmail.

    1. outlook 2007 Peter Durkson -- 13/07/07

      How the heck do I simply add a new contact when sending an email?

  25. Outlook Express Anonymous -- 15/01/07

    I have always used Outlook Express and suddenly after putting the 'google bar' on my machine I have been switched to Microsoft Outlook. I do not like it, and it is my machine and for me to choose which I will use. Could you please tell me how to get back to Outlook Express.

    1. outlook express Marissa Dupree -- 12/02/07

      I to have google toolbar and cannot get outlook to send or recive mail. what's the deal with google and outlook

  26. Email Anonymous -- 25/07/07

    May i say that all systems have virii or viruses, your best policy is master network protocols and setup a DMZ. DMZ are a waste of time though as emails are clicked on by the user who then generates a back door through the DMZ. Should we blame the user for being stupid and get rid of them all to have a safe environment.
    Naturally some techies would say yes, but what would a world full of tech heads look like, probably very boring.

    There is only one way to eliminate viruses and some computer fraud and that involves separating everything, alas most fraud is carried out by banks overseas(owned by mobs etc) . Most viruses are written to test ones ability and perhaps revenge.
    So
    A. have a seperate network that virus writters and hackers can test them selves on.
    B. Install (properly) port denial services, routers,firewalls - hardwired and non crackable.
    eg deny port 7 in.
    This could be accomplished by a new technology that scans the wire passively and then takes out those packets it wants to let through. The firewall box can never be hacked ever.
    Still if someone wants to invest in this idea I could bring it forward.

    a few crazy ones include:
    C. Do not accept updates ever
    D.Do not let users run anything ever.
    E.Do not upgrade ever
    F. Do not have a constant connection that doesnt flip its identity every second.
    G. Young kids should get out more

    I give up there are loads of ridiculous ideas, at the end of the day, use what ever system you want you will always be hacked, have viruses and crash.

    Though as a mac programmer many years ago and still to this day the most exciting thing that happened to me was when i was able to make a mac (sys7) crash after a year of trying:)
    Now call me synical but thats pretty good, it took me a year of trying. The damn things are so fault tolerant its unbelievable sometimes. Naturally i wasnt using any microsoft products on it.....

  27. Outlook Express Gary O'Connor -- 13/02/08

    It's interesting that this thread started in 2003 and there was talk of Microsoft killing off Outlook Express.

    Hmmmm

    It's still here!

  28. Outlook Express spelling vocabulary Robert Francis Hawksley -- 22/08/08

    I recently had to get a new hardrive but my Outlook Express voabulary seems to have got lost. Can I retrieve it or, if that is not possible, can I inject a new vocabulary please?

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