Xen not ready for prime-time, says Red Hat

A senior Red Hat executive today maintained the Xen open source virtualisation environment was not yet ready for enterprise use, despite "unbelievable" customer demand and the fact rival Novell has already started shipping the software.

Xen, which is primarily being developed by US-based startup XenSource, allows users to run multiple operating systems as guest virtual machines on the same hardware, potentially allowing for greater utilisation of resources.

Alex Pinchev

But while rival Novell this month started shipping the software with version 10 of its SUSE Linux Enterprise Server environment, Red Hat continues to have a lack of confidence in the virtualisation newcomer.

"[Xen] is not stable yet, it's not ready for the enterprise," Red Hat's vice president of International Operations, Alex Pinchev, told ZDNet Australia today via telephone.

"We don't feel that [Xen] is stable enough to address banking, telco, or any other enterprise customer, so until we are comfortable, we will not release it."

Taking the customer viewpoint, he said: "If the National Australia Bank wants to implement virtualisation and it's not stable, you can imagine what they will tell us."

Instead of trying to play catch up with Novell and simply shipping Xen as included software with Red Hat's operating system, Red Hat will attempt to build a full virtualisation platform around the product in the next version of its Red Hat Enterprise Linux server software, due to be released in December.

That platform will include software for storage virtualisation, for example, as well as systems management and provisioning tools.

But Pinchev admitted there was an "unbelievable" demand for virtualisation software from customers.

Locally, large organisations like the Australian Bureau of Statistics and Central Queensland University are using virtualisation rival VMWare extensively.

Red Hat has spent "millions" of dollars testing Xen, according to Pinchev, and has hundreds of customers around the world trying out beta versions of the software.

The desktop front
While Red Hat and Novell might not see eye to eye on Xen, they do agree on the degree of interest from enterprises in using Linux in desktop PCs.

Novell chief executive Ron Hovsepian predicted in April that Linux desktops would start taking off in mainstream markets in the next 12 to 18 months.

"I absolutely agree with that, and we see a lot of traction in the desktop area," said Pinchev. "It started in Europe, where people are very very unhappy with Microsoft."

Organisations in China, India, Japan and Thailand are also keen, according to Pinchev, and even the United States. "We're talking with one very large financial institution in the US, who wants to move 100,000 desktops to Linux," he said.

Pinchev claims Red Hat has customers right now with as many as 50,000-seat desktop Linux implementations, but he declined to divulge names -- and there certainly aren't any large rollouts in Australia.

The executive claimed Red Hat did have desktop Linux customers Down Under, "but very small ones".

One other area in which Novell and Red Hat would probably see eye to eye is the need to tackle common enemies like Sun Microsystems and Microsoft, particularly in the data centre but also on the desktop.

Microsoft's Windows Server 2003 software continues to be popular in enterprises, but Pinchez alleged the upgrade to Vista Server due at the end of this year could prove costly.

"Customers are anticipating a huge cost to move to Vista," he said, adding Red Hat had started to see more migrations from Windows to Linux at the server level. The Linux vendor's business has traditionally been in Unix to Linux migrations, or new application rollouts.

Pinchev said Microsoft's highly publicised delays in getting its Vista family released were having a "very positive impact" on Red Hat. "Right now we are competing with something which doesn't exist, and the customers are getting annoyed with that," Pinchev said.

On the Sun front, Pinchev said Red Hat had definitely seen more customer discussions around the vendor's Solaris operating system since it became open source software last year, but alleged it had proved confusing for the market to face another open source operating system.

He claimed most of the AMD-based Opteron servers than Sun sold ended up running Red Hat Linux anyway. "Sun is writing us a big cheque every quarter. They hate it, but they do it," he said.

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Talkback 5 comments

    Possible mistake in article?Anonymous -- 01/08/06 (in reply to #120139329)

    ""Customers are anticipating a huge cost to move to Vista," he said, adding Red Hat had started to see more migrations from Linux to Windows at the server level."

    Should that be "...migrations from Windows to Linux at the server level."? - especially if this is a RedHat exec :)

    MistakeRenai LeMay -- 01/08/06 (in reply to #120139330)

    hi,

    you are certainly correct. We have modified the article to reflect this fact.

    Kind regards,

    Renai LeMay
    ZDNet Australia

    Nice spin- 6 mths is not a big dealAnonymous -- 01/08/06

    Novell's SuSE team have included Xen in SLES10, and Red Hat will include it in their next major release in December - no difference. The claim that Red Hat are holding back is rubbish, they, like Novell, are including it with their next major release.

    Ubuntu on the desktop?Anonymous -- 02/08/06

    It's quite ironic that RedHat now wants to talk about the desktop. When previously they've been focusing exclusively on the server - to the point of denying that Linux is viable on the desktop. Looks like there is a wave of interest and RH is trying to catch that wave. That's great news for all Linux vendors.

    I'm surprised that the report didn't mention Ubuntu on the desktop as they're getting a lot of interest. In fact it looks like they have more mindshare than RH. This google trends search shows them with more search share than redhat: http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+redhat

    I really hope Linux can break through, if only the hardware manufacturers would get on board!

    Xen not readyAnonymous -- 02/08/06

    RedHat only has Linux, take that away and they have nothing. Xen not ready, or is it they are unable to do the job right.

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