Report: Microsoft says open source violates 235 patents

update Microsoft claims that free and open-source software violates more than 230 of its patents, according to a magazine report published on Sunday.

In an interview with Fortune, Microsoft top lawyer Brad Smith alleged that the Linux kernel violates 42 Microsoft patents, while its user interface and other design elements infringe on a further 65. OpenOffice.org is accused of infringing 45, along with 83 more in other free and open-source programs, according to the Fortune article.

It is not entirely clear how Microsoft might proceed in enforcing these patents, but the company has been encouraging large tech companies that depend on Linux to ink patent deals, starting with its controversial pact with Novell last November. Microsoft has also cited Linux protection playing a role in recent patent swap deals with Samsung and Fuji Xerox. Microsoft has also had discussions, but not reached a deal with, Red Hat, as noted in the Fortune piece.

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is also quoted in the article as saying Microsoft's open-source competitors need to "play by the same rules as the rest of the business".

"What's fair is fair," Ballmer told Fortune. "We live in a world where we honour, and support the honouring of, intellectual property."

The story notes that some big tech proponents of open source have been stockpiling intellectual property as part of the Open Invention Network, set up in 2005 by companies like Sony, Red Hat, IBM, NEC and Philips. The article surmises that if Microsoft were to go after open source, these companies' combined know-how might give it some patent weapons to go after Windows.

A Microsoft representative did not immediately respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

Given how deeply entrenched open-source software has become in the computing industry, taking direct legal action against the open-source realm would be a complicated, hackle-raising undertaking for Microsoft. Customers use open-source software widely, and many major computing companies -- IBM, Dell, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard, Motorola and Oracle, for example -- support Linux work directly.

It's not the first time that open-source patent concerns have arisen. A 2004 study by a Open Source Risk Management, a company selling insurance against risks of using open-source software, concluded Linux could violate at least 283 patents, 27 of them Microsoft patents.

Patents and the open-source movement get along awkwardly at best. Patent law gives proprietary, exclusive rights to patent holders, but open-source programming is built on the idea of free sharing. Newer open-source licenses sometimes address the issue by requiring contributors to open-source projects to grant users and developers of the software a perpetual, royalty-free license to any patents that relate to the contribution.

Different companies have dealt in different ways with the open-source patent conundrum. For example, HP has taken a pro-patent stance, while IBM, Nokia, Sun and others have granted some rights to use some of their patents in open-source software.

The Open Invention Network remains a relatively young effort, but it has attracted participation this year from proprietary software giant Oracle and from Linux support seller Canonical. A company may license the network's patents for free as long as they promise not to assert any patent claims against those involved in "the Linux environment".

The Free Software Foundation is working on a new draft of the GPL, one element of which will ban partnerships such as that struck by Novell and Microsoft.

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Talkback 15 comments

    Put up or shut up! OpenSuseUser -- 14/05/07

    For years, M$ has been threatening to sue everybody having anything to do with Linux from users & vendors down to people who clean the penguin enclosure at the zoo.

    Come on M$, put your big money where your big mouth is. We dare ya.

    Lies Lies Lies Anonymous -- 14/05/07

    Where's the BEEF? Show us the code or shut up.

    I'm tired of these lies being spread by companies that fear open source software. Microsoft even made that silly deal with Novell to spread Suse Linux software; just so they could pretend that Novell was admitting they were stealing Microsoft code. Novell went out of their way denying it.

    You know, I remember a time when I actually liked Microsoft. Man I hate this company!

    We can put M$ out of business Anonymous -- 18/05/07 (in reply to #320079332)

    If enough of us ACT, we can put M$ out of business and consign it where it belongs, namely the scraphip of history.
    We can all do the following:

    1 Inform the uninformed of the open source software and how good it is (OPEN OFFICE).

    2 Explain that it IS compatible with M$ (to allay the fear of the unknown)

    3 Distribute free software for others to try.

    4 Encourage them to pay for the use of these wonderful products.

    Once converted, they will do the same.

    All we really are doing is pointing the WAY OUT of the M$ concentration camp.

    Whether others take the step is up to them.

    HA HA HA Anonymous -- 14/05/07

    It's like the beginning of an E-world war. Linux distros have been evolving into an easy to use WYSIWYG "window" interface for a while. With emulators and wrappers Linux can *almost* run any windows app.

    In the future (~10 years) there will be the rubes who pay ~$1000 for the bi-annual microsoft os, and then there will be the people using open source stuff being labelled as criminals because they are computing without paying the tax.

    **** MICROSOFT **** DRM **** ALL THAT ****

    This sounds about like the SCO thing ewok -- 14/05/07

    When SCO was trying to sue everybody it was Micro$oft was supplying them with the money.
    It is a horrible monopoly. The only way for it go is downwards. Vista is just spyware. Windows xp wga keeps checking if the os is valid one. They download updates without asking you first.
    It is full of bugs & insecure. It needs external virus checkers & spyware checkers etc.

    MS INVESTORS RUN! Anonymous -- 14/05/07

    This is not about Microsoft VS Open Source Software. Its about an entire industry of commercial software providers trying to maintain the value of their software products. Microsoft spear heads commercial software. Microsoft generates billions of dollars a year. Governments are likely to side with Microsoft on legal issues because the system is based on capital. Governments would lose billions of dollars in taxes generated by Microsoft If people woke up and realized that free and open software solutions can do just about anything a Microsoft product can do. A copy of windows only has value if people use it. Several years ago I was asked how Microsoft could ever compete with free offerings like Linux. I knew Microsoft would reduce the prices of its offerings especially in emerging markets around the world and now we see 3.75 cents versions of windows for sale in poor markets. This reveals the real game. The profits that Microsoft makes are not justified and the world is beginning to see that. The windows operating system probably cost less than 5 dollars to manufacture package and distribute. What we get as consumers is a 5 dollar CD if that after distribution and if they can sell it for 3.75 and still make a profit that tells you how much it is really worth. The other 95 dollars is what we pay to use the software in the form of a license agreement. Now on each copy sold the government from local to federal collects taxes either in the form of sales taxes or corporate income taxes. I would guess around 12 to 14 dollars per copy if purchased by a end user at a store in the US. The vast majority of licenses are sold to computer manufactures who then resell the operating system installed on new computer equipment.

    The Windows End User License Agreement is a tax on computer users. The operating system itself doesn't really have any value thus Microsoft doesn't sell you the operating system they sell you a license to use the operating system. Windows its self is worthless. Not only does the licensing model (EULA) tell us that the software is worthless but other offerings from the open source community also confirms this. The way in which Open Source Software is developed and distributed
    gives you a peek into how much any Microsoft product is really worth. How is it developed? By a community of some paid and some volunteer software developers. How is it distributed? You download it and copy it to a CD. How much did all this cost the consumer? In most cases nothing. How do the developers get any return on their work? By providing other services like support and realizing the real value of the work in which they provide. They could never expect to make billions of dollars off of providing the coding that goes into the software. The people that do the coding at Microsoft don't make billions either its the share holders, officers, board those who do very little in the form of coding software that make all the money.

    I can do some things on a windows based PC that I can not do on Linux or FreeBSD based machine. Like wise there are a many things I can do on a FreeBSD or Linux machine that I could never do on a Windows based machine. At this time the only thing that separates windows PC from a PC running Linux or FreeBSD is high end gaming and some high end multimedia applications. As for email, web browsing, instant messaging, CD/DVD burning, listening to music and DVDS any open source operating system is more than capable of functioning at this level. The vast majority of new computer users will never use a computer for more than that and Microsoft is well aware of it. Open Source software in most cases but maybe not by design is the sword that will force a fair distribution of capital in information technology as a whole (if the world as we know it is still around by then). It will help the guy who used to be able to assemble computer components and still sell the computer and make a profit. It gives the control back to small services

    MS tactics Anonymous -- 14/05/07

    Lawyers have a term for the tactics used by Microsoft - it's called extortion.
    The real issue is how to police the bully.

    Recurring theme Stephen Kuhn -- 14/05/07

    Same story. Every few years the same story. They didn't get far last time and they're not going to get far again this time.

    Bahhh Humbug Anonymous -- 14/05/07

    Ok to cover the back ground a bit.. MS has served up lots of crapware, that has cost me big in terms of time and money.

    There are people who are crooks and there are people who retaliate....

    All adds up to "us" vs. Microsoft vs. us vs. each other.

    Fine. I am really sick of the scammers in the world and this includes MS.

    I am really sick of MS and all it's DRM spyware, monopolisation of my computer and it's secret monitoring, and all the bloody liscencing and the verification of them.

    MS's standards are plummeting, as the company rots from the inside out.

    I had to do a full reinstall of XP home, and there was heaps of "OH back up, back up, back up" bullshit, in case of accidentally deleted files and HARD DISK FAILURE, but nowhere in the MS help sites, and forums did it say anything about how to re-install to a NEW hard drive...

    I sent a webform request for help on this topic, and waited...

    I then made some 5 or 6 phone calls and had some serious **** fights with MS in Australia and the "stupidity by rote" outsourced call centers.. to end talking to the head of MS tech support in Australia, to find out that you can't use any of the MS software (backup and shadow technology) to disk image (totally backup) ones dying HDD...

    Ahhhhhh but in all of it's NAZIWARE mentality, while MS says that you can use it's backup in case of hard disk failure, and it's wonderful "shadow" technology (incremental imaging on the fly), one is expressly and deliberately stopped from any imaging or full backing up, by MS and it's idiot software.... they also cripple the MS registration keys...

    My emailed request for information about backing up a dying drive, went to the stupids in the USA, then back to SALES in Australia and they sent me the MS version of Ebay's pointless and stupid replies; and I was told to go phone MS's tech support...

    I mean why bother...

    So it's back to saving ones works, removing the dying C:\ drive and then reinstalling EVERYTHING..... all the patches, security updates, verification checks, agreements to THE MS licensing rules.... along with my software and working files....

    Gahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

    And I am so sick of the MS corporate bullshit that I have had enough.....

    See I am a bit dim and if I get too much info, in too short a time, I go into overload... my brain hurts.

    I have lots to do and not a lot of time to get a crash course in programming.... I kind of want to get on with my objectives and learn enough to do the job..

    I have had several forays in to Linux, and they have been anywhere from challenging to encouraging.

    The Linux learning curve WITH uNBUNTU 7.04 is now educational, and no longer impossible.

    The Ubuntu Linux 7.04, is now so well sorted out that I have finally been able to make enough of a start in it, to pick it up as I go...

    I am now using Linux on both my machines and it's in essence like a very capable version of windows 3.11...

    I don't have My Favourites, My Docs, My Movies etc... idotically installed in the computer in the first place..

    I set all my work where I want it to be...

    My slightly aging laptop is no longer spinning it's guts out and flying the read write heads around like a kung fu move knife fight, trying to cope with the throughput of XP... it's barely even ticking over....

    As soon as I do a bit of reading up on how to get WINE (a linux windows software interface) working, I will start to work my last remaining projects out of WORD and a few other programs and make the full migration to Linux and Open Office.

    Microsoft is rotting from the inside out.., the patent scares and grabs are just more corporate intimidation and lies.. and Steve Ballmer - you can kiss my arse.

    I am never going back to Microsoft.

    I am now swimming in the nice warm sea of humanity and OUR software.

    And Ubuntu has over 21,000 applications...

    So it looks like I am not very hard pressed to be able to do anything.

    It's going to be good to see just how rapidly the rot in MS will begin to acceler

    Tax on Users Anonymous -- 14/05/07

    Likewise it could be argued that business applications are now a tax on business users - limited choice, expensive, hard to change, hardly innovative, etc

    Microsoft won't do anything.... Anonymous -- 14/05/07

    If they tried any IP legal action then Sun, IBM, Apple, Dell, Redhat, Oracle etc would unleash their own IP ICBM's and Microsoft would have to explain to a million businesses tomorrow why they're pulling SQL Server and Longhorn and why they can no longer use XP and VISTA for the next 10 years until the courts get through with them.

    It would be corporate suicide.

    MS are just trying it on to see if anyone is stupid enough to get scared and jump ship back to them.

    Put up or shut up Anonymous -- 15/05/07

    Quite simple instead of saying (sorry - alleging) that open source programs violates 235 patents MS should just list what patents are violated and by who. Get in the open one and for all. No more FUD - just say who/what has violated what. Simple.

    Now the way I see it MS is banking on scaring various organisations into "buying" protection from "possible" action down the road and the sad thing is some companies will fall for it. Instead of saying "put up or shut up" these (IT) organisations will just pull down the pants and bend over for M$ (once again).

    The Pot calling the Kettle black Tony -- 15/05/07

    Given the number of lawsuits (and convictions) Microsoft's had in the past for various issues such as IP theft, patent infringement, bullying, monopolistic behaviour, etc, this statement from them is the height of hypocrisy.

    Linux was under development in the late 1980s and released in 1991. About this time Microsoft had released their truly dreadful product Windows 3.0 - a bug-ridden, sub-beta forerunner of later versions of Windows. By the time Windows 98 SE was released in 1999, these had ALMOST become stable enough for reliable use.

    losers Anonymous -- 15/05/07

    This spells the end of an era for microshaft. They feel threatened and so they should.
    No longer are they considered within the industry as reputable, and if they continue this way, their blind 'home user' customer base will be eroded as micorshafts tactics become more public.
    Microshaft, we leave you to the nieve and the weak. The informed and savvy customer base are leaving for something a lot better

    Microsoft says open source violates 235 patents Anonymous -- 17/05/07

    So Steve Ballmer wants everyone to "play by the same rules"?

    So what rules would be fair to play by against a monopolist that resists innovation and competition ?

    Why would I want to use an inferior M$ products at a premium price, if I can use stable, compact Open Office (even from 2GB memory stick) at a cost of donation.

    And would anyone want to use M$ ideas in unix based linux kernel?

    You have got to be kidding!

    Mr. Ballmer, get out of your office and see what the real world out there looks like, you've been breading the M$ stale air for too long.

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