Quicken red-faced over ACCC fee fight

An investigation by the competition watchdog has prompted Quicken to refund customers an AU$9 fee levied each time a customer re-registers its accounting software on a new personal computer.

In an e-mail to customers today, Quicken Australia chief executive Greg Wilkinson said refund of the fee -- first imposed from about 11 March 2003 -- would apply to customers who re-registered Quicken Personal versions 2004 and older and QuickBooks versions 2003 and older.

Wilkinson also said the company would update its product packaging to alleviate Australian Competition and Consumer Commission concerns "that the imposition of the re-registration fee was not made clear prior to the purchase of the product".

The executive conceded the imposition of the fee had prompted customers to complain to the watchdog.

Customers are required to register with the company to combat piracy as most versions of QuickBooks and Quicken Personal are licensed for single use on one computer.

Wilkinson said the offer included an AU$45 discount for customers to upgrade to the latest version of the software they were using. However, all applications must be made by 30 June.

He said the company had now implemented a "secure online system" to manage future re-registrations.

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    "We'll give you a $9 refu ...Anonymous -- 01/06/05

    "We'll give you a $9 refund if you spend $45 with us" - sounds like the marketing people have got this wrong (yet again).

    About time Quicken woke up to the fact that they have lost a lot of customers to the opposition because of their foolish actions - they have walked just on principle - pity it took the ACCC to bring them to their senses. We've been giggling behind our hands while recommending the opposition, and telling the customers why. In most cases they have been awestruck and taken our advice.

    Your licensing system must be flawed if the customer has to keep re-registering it manually, and having to use up your support resources to do so. You should build this into your costs of the product, or change the licensing regime. If you can keep accounts and track real money, surely a licence number cannot be too hard to keep track of?

    As a Quicken user for many yea ...Anonymous -- 02/06/05

    As a Quicken user for many years, I refused to kow-tow to their demand to pay additional fees to "register/re-register" their product. After unsatisfactory discussions with them I changed to another product - Quicken lost my custom as well as a number of my friends - why did it take the ACCC to bring them to their senses?

    You may be interested to know ...Anonymous -- 08/06/05

    You may be interested to know just what Quicken are expecting their customers to do to recover this money.

    Here is my email to Quicken.
    have reviewed your process that we "DUMB QUICKEN CUSTOMERS" have to go through to recover this money. I have 4 re-registrations to recover, and can only find evidence of one as the data is no longer available on the internet from my telco provider.

    This means that to recover the others I will have to write to the Telco and request copies of past accounts.

    You also expect us to fill out a Statutory Declaration for each recovery.

    I have the dates, the registrations codes, you also have this data. But you want to put us to this exercise so that we will say, stuff it, its way too much work. In fact it is, I am running a small business, the time to carry out all this work is far in excess to the money I would recover being $36.

    I HAVE SUBMITTED A FORMAL COMPLAINT TO THE ACCC AND REQUESTED THEY INVESTIGATE YOU FURTHER TO SEE JUST WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO YOUR CUSTOMERS AND THE REFUND IS JUST A COMPLETE JOKE.

    You are a terrible company and I will never do business with you again, I will also be advising all of my customers of what you have done (PUBLIC DOMAIN) and the ACCC's initial decision, and will keep them up to date on any further investigations the ACCC make.

    CONSIDER ME THE FIRST CUSTOMER OF MANY THAT YOU WILL LOOSE OVER THIS...

    I have also lodged a formal complaint to the ACCC in this regard.

    The fact is that very few will attempt to recover their money...

    Bruce Beresford
    Engadine Web Services...

    Don't buy Quicken Products! I ...Anonymous -- 27/06/05

    Don't buy Quicken Products! I just got off the phone from them. I actually had to pay the fee two days after I first installed the product, cause I had to install XP again!

    Now they want me to fill in a form with copies of my telephone bills (which I dont have). But they know when I re-registered, cause they sent me new reg codes by email...which I kept. They also want a statutory declaration filled out!!

    MYOB is looking good to me right now. This comes under the heading of "HOW TO LOSE CUSTOMERS IN ONE EASY LESSON".

    I got a phone call from James at Quicken, he wouldn't give me his surname. What can I say, thanks for nothing James!! He could only advise me to get copies of my phone bill from my telco. James told me that they could have "any old Tom, Dick, or Harry" claiming a refund. I said "But James, if you keep a record of who you have given reg codes to, and if a claim has been made for that registration, you should be OK right". So James says "Well, Telstra charge you, we dont keep a record of that charge". I said "So you didnt assign the charges to customers?" - James says "No"

    So I said "Well that's your problem isn't it?". James says (standard reply) "You have to get a copy of your bill from Telstra". When I said I wont contact Telstra, but I'll see what the ACCC has to say he got a bit stroppy, and said that they were complying to the ACCC's recommendations.

    Well done Quicken! You managed to infuriate a customer you have had for 5 years! It takes a bit more than just 'sticking to the rules' to keep this customer!!

    Don't buy Quicken Products! I ...Anonymous -- 27/06/05

    Don't buy Quicken Products! I just got off the phone from them. I actually had to pay the fee two days after I first installed the product, cause I had to install XP again!

    Now they want me to fill in a form with copies of my telephone bills (which I dont have). But they know when I re-registered, cause they sent me new reg codes by email...which I kept. They also want a statutory declaration filled out!!

    MYOB is looking good to me right now. This comes under the heading of "HOW TO LOSE CUSTOMERS IN ONE EASY LESSON".

    I got a phone call from James at Quicken, he wouldn't give me his surname. What can I say, thanks for nothing James!! He could only advise me to get copies of my phone bill from my telco. James told me that they could have "any old Tom, Dick, or Harry" claiming a refund. I said "But James, if you keep a record of who you have given reg codes to, and if a claim has been made for that registration, you should be OK right". So James says "Well, Telstra charge you, we dont keep a record of that charge". I said "So you didnt assign the charges to customers?" - James says "No"

    So I said "Well that's your problem isn't it?". James says (standard reply) "You have to get a copy of your bill from Telstra". When I said I wont contact Telstra, but I'll see what the ACCC has to say he got a bit stroppy, and said that they were complying to the ACCC's recommendations.

    Well done Quicken! You managed to infuriate a customer you have had for 5 years! It takes a bit more than just 'sticking to the rules' to keep this customer!!

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