Novell in 'Windows cheaper than Linux' statement

By Andrew Donoghue, ZDNet UK
16 March 2007 06:59 AM
Tags: linux, microsoft, novell, windows, hsbc, company

Linux vendor Novell has issued a joint press release with Microsoft, in which HSBC, a customer of joint technology from the two companies, claims that Windows has a lower total cost of ownership than Linux.

The press release, issued late on Wednesday in the US, announced that UK-based bank HSBC has agreed to adopt technology from Novell and Microsoft's recently announced partnership.

In the release, Matthew O'Neill, group head of distributed systems for HSBC Global IT operations, states that the bank's existing Linux environment is more expensive to maintain than its Windows environment: "Some will be surprised to learn that our Windows environment has a lower total cost of ownership than our current Linux environment."

HSBC claims it will achieve cost savings by reducing the number of Linux distributions it uses and by improving the interoperability of its open-source operating system deployments with Windows. "Our decision to simplify our mixed-source environment with Microsoft and Novell will allow us to reduce the cost and complexity," said O'Neill.

Although it is unclear at this time which Linux distributions the bank is using, the fact Novell is associated with a statement that claims Linux has a higher total cost of ownership than Windows will surprise and anger many in the open-source community.

Previously, Novell has been a vociferous proponent of the cost savings offered by open-source software. Speaking at BrainShare, the company's annual user conference in Barcelona in 2004, Novell chief Jack Messman claimed that Microsoft's exhaustive licence fees for Windows have prevented end-user organisations and independent software developers from directing cash into more "innovative" software.

"I am of the opinion that innovation has been slowed because of Microsoft. It has sucked US$60bn out of our industry that could have been used for innovation," Messman said. "My vision is that companies won't have to spend so much on operating systems which have been commoditised and spend more on innovation."

But after a long and bloody tussle with Microsoft over patents that both parties held on each other's software, Novell announced in November last year that it was laying aside its past differences with the Redmond company and launching a partnership.

The companies said that they will collaborate on development of specific technologies, for example to help Windows work with Novell's Suse Linux. The companies will create a joint research facility at which they will build and test new products, and work with customers and the open-source community.

The research will include Novell offering a version of Suse Linux Enterprise Server with optimised virtualisation features for Windows Server Longhorn, expected to launch later this year.

Novell's Microsoft-friendly makeover was marked by the dismissal of its chief executive Jack Messman, who was let go in June last year. However, his replacement, Ron Hovsepian, has not completely resisted the odd dig at Microsoft.

Speaking at a press conference in Sydney recently, Hovsepian said he was pleased by the slow uptake of Microsoft's desktop operating system Vista."We're excited by the muted reaction to Vista," he said. "We're going to attack [Microsoft] vigorously and go after their footprint as much as we can."

Vista was five years in the making, so the code behind it is very complex according to Hovsepian, whereas open source is more nimble and flexible. "And we have got to take advantage of that."

The HSBC announcement will see the bank, which has 9,500 offices and 284,000 employees in 76 countries, sign up to a three-year support subscription to Suse Linux Enterprise Server from Novell.

Despite the marked differences in approach between open-source supporters and proprietary companies such as Microsoft, HSBC's blended approach to using the software is not uncommon. Speaking at a conference last year, Phil Dawson, Gartner research vice president, said that the analyst group was increasingly receiving feedback from its clients showing that there is a real growth in companies that want to run open-source software stacks on top of Windows, or proprietary software on top of Linux.

"The traditional approach has been an all-commercial Windows stack or a full open-source, Linux-based stack, but these are two extremes of the pendulum. The real growth is in the middle ground," Dawson said.

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Talkback 7 comments

    measurement Anonymous -- 16/03/07

    I would really lke to see how they are measuring these costs. Personally, the results I get tend to sway toward linux as the more cost effective solution. Reliability however is on linux's side by a long shot, are they measuring the cost of reboots, patch testing, backup and recovery, security in their ROI studies? Windows in this space, in most cases is far more expensive.

    here come the linux zealots already Dirk -- 16/03/07 (in reply to #320076359)

    Here we go...

    Get over it, blue screens, hang and crashes generally don't happen these days, and are certainly within the same realm of crashing that goes on within a linux development phase when playing with code for unique stuff like usb devices and the like.

    My question for any linux advocate when calculating TCO is - how much time do you waste trying to develop software for the volume control on a smart keyboard? Especially one that doesn't work with KhotKeys or similar?

    While you can always go to the linux community to find something that works, you generally take it as a given that virtually anything buy for a PC will come with a windows XP driver, and now rapidly with vista support straight in the box, taking, oh about 5 minutes at most to install and walk away.

    When we have that level of desktop support we can finally get rid of windows. Until then I will put up with the hassle of being to run virtually any application I want in the world by simply looking for a seup executable and away we go.

    Redmond advocate Anonymous -- 16/03/07 (in reply to #320076368)

    Yes, they managed to code out blue screens in favor of undetectable / unrecoverable memory leaks. Thats about all they have done.
    Get over it, windows is for the mouse-jokey wannabe sysadmin. Are you one of those?

    "This is what we find ..." Andy Goss -- 20/03/07 (in reply to #320076368)

    Having just set up an XP machine for my son, who needs to run Windows-only software, I am sure it's TCO will be higher than for my Kubuntu box. On top of the cost of XP, I have had to buy antivirus software and a proper firewall. Once running, I find that the scroll mouse only works in Firefox, not in Windows - XP thinks it is a 2 button mouse. XP "lost" a file almost at once, and the search program crashes if you use it to find the lost file.
    The addition of a "root" user is an obvious lash-up and is quite laughable compared with Linux.
    Some things do work nicely, network detection, both LAN and WiFi seem OK, but trying to access the network is messy.
    Another drawback is software updates. MS only updates MS software, anything else you have to take care of yourself, unlike the Linux "distro" that keeps everything current.
    Adding Vista would only make things worse - more hardware cost, dubious drivers, and you still need proper antivirus and firewall tools.
    Of course you can pay as much as you like for a Linux setup, but unless the full costings are published I don't see anyone being impressed.

    say wha? Anonymous -- 16/03/07

    This is a prime example of American corprate bull, intercorporate back-scratching cr@p if I ever did hear it.

    He He Anonymous -- 16/03/07

    Ahhhhh...the old Windows VS Linux thing again.

    Each has their place and various uses. I use a combination of both in our systems. Each has merits and drawbacks, but both work (most of the time) as intended.

    Windows has a higher initial cost and has more administrative overhead than Linux/Unix, but is far more user friendly. I use Windows for desktops (some servers) and Linux for critical servers.

    I wonder if Microsoft's figures are based on the cost of support from a fully trained Linux guru...they don't come cheap ;-)

    Linux versus Novell Windows Rex Alfie Lee -- 22/03/07

    After Novell's & Windows mixing it with their back-scratching commentary & how MS won't sue Novell software users, I'm sure Novell comes out of the whole plan squeaky-clean (as long as they support MS - probably part of the muconium (aka baby crap)).

    So who the hell can believe anything MS or Novell say now. They are just more Honest Johnnies just like our wonderful leader. They all belong in the gap up some Bush.

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