NSW to censor student laptops

The NSW Department of Education and Training (DET) this week revealed plans to limit internet access on the laptops given to the state's senior students under the "digital education revolution" to a pre-approved list of websites.

Speaking at an Australian Information Industry Association lunch yesterday, Michael Coutts-Trotter, DET's director general and its chief information officer, Stephen Wilson, said the department's first priority in allowing students to take the laptops home was to prevent them being sold off.

"On our laptop model, the first question is how do you prevent them from being sold down at the pub," said Coutts-Trotter. "Well, you equip them in a way so they are only of use within a DET environment or are only of use for DET students or authorised users, such as staff."

"So yeah, that's what it would mean: that you would be coming into an authenticated environment from home," he said.

Later, chief information officer Wilson detailed the "unbreakable" filtering system that would control students' internet experience on the proposed laptops.

"Our internet filtering is unbreakable. We have a huge proxy array that does all the filtering. We've just brought that in-house and the reason we have done that is we want much tighter control over it," said Wilson.

DET has developed 98 categories of websites that are accessible to students. "Every internet site that's known is actually categorised. If it isn't known, it's blocked. If you go to a site and it's not categorised you can't get to it," he said.

"I know that the Commonwealth introduced an internet filtering initiative that a high school student broke, or claimed to have broken, very quickly. I just want you to understand ours is completely different. We're at the end of the pipe and nothing goes through that pipe that doesn't get filtered," he said.

The vision hinges on NSW acquiring an extra $245 million funding from the Commonwealth over the $197 million currently proposed, which it has claimed is necessary to deliver a laptop to every student in years nine to 12.

The proposal has outraged long standing e-business consultant and civil rights advocate, Roger Clarke.

"It would be bad enough of them creating a list of blocked sites, but the notion that they would only allow students access to that which has been approved is incredible," he told ZDNet.com.au today.

"What credibility can a government organisation and educational bureaucracy have with the people they're trying to communicate with when the students, through all of their own devices and through friend's devices, have access to the world," he added.

NSW is yet to release an official expression of interest for the laptops it wanted and Wilson said it wouldn't do so until an agreement had been reached with Canberra.

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Talkback 87 comments

    welcome - MARKED AS SPAM BY AKISMET Anonymous -- 24/10/08

    Welcome to fascist Australia!

    1930's Germany would be very proud, as we put the great firewall of China to shame

    unhackable? really that will last till we get them Anonymous -- 07/08/09 (in reply to #320114862)

    allight heres da thing im basicaly 15 and im in year 9 and will get in about 2 weeks and i can tell u this we kids have hacked anything u guys have thrown at us that "stops us" from using certain stuff EVERYTHING if u have some system that cant be hacked Y DA **** AINT U USED IT YET and second i bet u cant install stuff right ill just get somthing called a keylogger that dont need to be installed and then get da freaking admin pass duh.... and i bet if dat dont work somthing else will u cant make an unhackable program u know y? because the services are on it so u cant succesfully stop that service short of geting rid of it thats how it works im sry ...freakin dumb **** dont underestimate kids with technology think about it if u have kids and they on comp how much of da time do u get wat they r doing i bet around 0 to minus 1

    and think about this no point in blocking stuff because we can get to it through phones these days so... even if its unbreakable we just use somthin else y dont u spend da money on getin us better lappys

    unhackable? till we get them that is Anonymous -- 07/08/09 (in reply to #320114862)

    allight heres da thing im basicaly 15 and im in year 9 and will get in about 2 weeks and i can tell u this we kids have hacked anything u guys have thrown at us that "stops us" from using certain stuff EVERYTHING if u have some system that cant be hacked Y DA **** AINT U USED IT YET and second i bet u cant install stuff right ill just get somthing called a keylogger that dont need to be installed and then get da freaking admin pass duh.... and i bet if dat dont work somthing else will u cant make an unhackable program u know y? because the services are on it so u cant succesfully stop that service short of geting rid of it thats how it works im sry ...freakin dumb **** dont underestimate kids with technology think about it if u have kids and they on comp how much of da time do u get wat they r doing i bet around 0 to minus 1

    and think about this no point in blocking stuff because we can get to it through phones these days so... even if its unbreakable we just use somthin else y dont u spend da money on getin us better lappys

    BAM Anonymous -- 23/09/09 (in reply to #320114862)

    aint that the truth...but seriously parents and stuff dont be worried , to any lazy/small minded/ destructive kid like me. there is no way we can lift any of the filters from the computers and in no way the ideapad by lenovo a good gaming computer anyway. so dont have a hissy fit unless ur son is a good honerable student smart enough to break into the security systems...if anything u should be proud hes so dam smart ,...SO STOP COMPLAINING

    How does this stop them selling them? Joshua Nunn -- 25/10/08

    How do they propose to stop someone just re-installing the operating system and just selling them then?

    Never mind the ridiculous assertion that they'll just be "sold down at the pub". Aren't teachers going to notice that little Johnny has stopped handing in work, and can't pull out a laptop when the rest of his class does?

    How does this stop them selling them? Anonymous -- 18/06/09 (in reply to #320114886)

    Josh, how can they install the operating system without a system administator password...and better yet I have seen them they don't have CD\DVD drive either, actually they can't even access a thumb drive and if they want to do backups they take it to a system admin and they will unlock it and copy the files to a CD-ROM or Thumbdrive for the student....so now you can imagine how hard it will be to reinstall the Operating System.

    Easily achievable. Anonymous -- 13/07/09 (in reply to #320144260)

    Pull the hard drive out of the computer put it into another computer, or put it in an external USB drive chasis. format the drive make it bootable with something like PCDOS then copy the install files of a new os to the drive, then place the hard drive back in the original computer and initiate setup.

    if they set the harddrive passwords this wouldn't be possible Anonymous -- 29/07/09 (in reply to #320149071)

    if they are going this far with the great firewall, etc, they probably will also be setting the passwords on the hard drives so you won't be able to do this. It's what I would do.
    This method would mean you wouldn't be able to reformat the hard drive in another machine, as it won't obey the format command (or any other command for that matter)

    Harddrive password? mike smith -- 03/08/09 (in reply to #320165938)

    Won't stop it from being mounted on another computer and being formatted. Without making the computer design completely different to Wintel this is all rather pointless.

    not much hope for nsw rob demon -- 25/10/08

    If that's the computer intelligence of the controlling agents for nsw education then they really are in a bad way.
    Josh - you are correct.
    Unbreakable - yeah right, he's going to regret those words 1 hour after the students get to it.

    Yep. Anonymous -- 01/11/08 (in reply to #320114887)

    Ubuntu Live CD here we come.

    cool Anonymous -- 12/03/09 (in reply to #320115367)

    hey, theres an idea!

    Yep. Anonymous -- 18/06/09 (in reply to #320115367)

    No CD Drive, bugger for Ubuntu Live!

    BTW, external ones won't work either, unless you have a system admin password!

    No need for CD drive. Anonymous -- 14/07/09 (in reply to #320144261)

    Ubuntu live on a usb stick! Thats how I go ubuntu installed on my dell mini 9.

    Not Much Hope For NSW Anonymous -- 18/06/09 (in reply to #320114887)

    Rob, every student will be in a user account, meaning they only have certain privilleges, such as writing, reading and deleting documents that they have created. With hardware they are either going to need to disable the software lock or access the BIOS password to remove the hardware, with installing and uninstalling software as well as formatting they are going to need the system admin password.

    Again BIOS passwords generally can be easily by-passed. Anonymous -- 13/07/09 (in reply to #320144296)

    BIOS are battery backed up. locate the BIOS battery and remove it. This will cause the BIOS to lose its settings. place the battery back in the machine and modify the settings to your hearts content.

    nope Anonymous -- 16/07/09 (in reply to #320149072)

    draining the bios battery to get around a bios pwd stopped working 5 years ago.

    modern laptops with a bios pwd enabled will require a replacement m/board, bios chip, or you need to send back to vendor for them to unlock (w/proof of purchase).

    but... mike smith -- 03/08/09 (in reply to #320151213)

    How long until the bios pwd becomes known? I'm betting DET don't use a unique password for their bioses, but a common one.

    And it would still allow you to install an OS if you present the laptop with a blank HD.

    yep Anonymous -- 17/09/09 (in reply to #320151213)

    http://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/45n3684_01.pdf

    How to remove the supervisor password
    ...
    4. Remove the backup battery
    5. Wait about one minute
    6. Reinstall the backup battery and the battery pack. Both the SVP and the user password will be removed.

    White List Anonymous -- 27/10/08

    Roger Clarke appears to be behind the times, DET has imposed a white list on students for over a year now. Only pre-approved websites are accessible by students. Any "unclassified" sites are automatically blocked.

    Big Brudda Michael Biddulph -- 27/10/08

    More of the same frantic control...noting new here. The gift that keeps on taking.

    Think of the children Anonymous -- 27/10/08

    As soon as kids get laptops the primary purpose of the devices will be swapping non-educational material, gaming and chat. I don't see that there is much det can do to halt this. To cling to the illusion that the kids total experience of connectedness will be suckling from the state government’s fetid teat shows a definite lack of awareness. 640K is enough for anyone. The Titanic is unsinkable. Our internet filtering is unbreakable. Idiots, sigh.

    Think Of The Children Anonymous -- 18/06/09 (in reply to #320114958)

    Notebooks can't install applications, so no gaming and chatting, and as mentioned before students can't use thumb drives or cd's, so trading is a little hard without these devices as well as they can't install drivers for these devices.

    WA DET filtering Anonymous -- 27/10/08

    I used to work for the so called technologically advanced WA Dept of Lack of Education, some of the team are as dense as a double brick wall, and as for filtering in 100 schools based schools hahaha what a joke, kids can use proxy anonymisers which generally i've only seen a few hardware based and software based devices block access to these sites, they can even use google cached pages to bypass proxy servers, and when it came to the crunch a student looked at some rather vile material the blame was lobbed on the school, which then in turn blamed DET central office. the LWICT team then issued a new version of the proxy software which was then bypassed within the first 30 minutes of operation. each school has it's own proxy server gateway which then feeds back to central office which has it's own filtering.

    Bureaucracy Andrew -- 14/07/09 (in reply to #320114978)

    What they want, they will get, despite the advice of those who know it won't work. This is the nature of bureaucracy.

    It is feasible Tim Delaney -- 28/10/08

    I scoffed when I read this, but after a bit of thought I realised it's quite feasible to create hardware that requires a VPN connection to be established before you can actually do anything. I don't know if this is what they're doing, but it's feasible. And yes, that can be done for both wired and wireless connections.

    I also don't have a problem with the DET *attempting* to restrict what can be viewed on the laptops and network that *they are supplying* (they have a duty of care after all, and a desire not to be sued). They are not trying to block kids from the scary internet using their own equipment - only while using the DET-supplied equipment and network.

    You will notice that this is a whitelist - by default *everything* is blocked. Depending on how it is implemented, this could be *good* because the sites are vetted for accuracy and appropriateness (e.g. relevance to subject matter). If updated regularly, with both teacher and student submissions, this could work well.

    BTW, there should be a ban on Wikipedia, except as a case study on (lack of) critical thinking (e.g. people using Wikipedia as the source, rather than just a starting point).

    Unfortunately, it's more likely that a small whitelist will be defined early on, and rarely (if ever) updated. I'm hoping it works though.

    Openvpn for the win Anonymous -- 28/10/08

    Using openvpn (legally free and opensource software) over port 80 and your own proxy at home you can easily bypass their 'unbreakable proxy'

    OpenVPN FTW Anonymous -- 18/06/09 (in reply to #320115026)

    Ahh just as mentioned prior, they can't install applications...and even if they install this onto a thumbnail drive they have no access to this as thumbnail drives will not be supported, ie they can't install devices drivers.

    Totally useless Anonymous -- 28/10/08

    As a staff member of the DET, at this point in time, every one of the filters is broken, I'm getting blocked by primary school filters, things like flickr, The Register, Slashdot all blocked. 90% of the sites I go to for technical help (Because the help desk is useless) are blocked in the category BUSINESS AND TECHNICAL FORUMS

    The whole thing is a farce, it works terribly and they insist on spending money on this when schools with over 1000 students are still stuck on a 2mbit link to the rest of the world. This page took close to three minutes to load. It was like watching a progressive scan jpg load.

    re Anonymous -- 04/12/08 (in reply to #320115029)

    i totally agree. this is a terrible state of affairs something needs to be done to fix this terrible mess.

    Student's perspective Anonymous -- 20/05/09 (in reply to #320117969)

    As a year 9 student, getting one of these laptops will be great. Sure, this filtering stuff will be crap, but somebody will get around it quickly. kids at my school have found a way to access games, and even blocked sites on some computers.

    Sometimes, purely educational sites - sites recommended for use by the DET ITSELF - are blocked. Many times we have had to use alternate sites to do our research. One of my teachers, who takes Law, said that it is impossible to explain part of the curriculum because anything relating to it is blocked. I remember years ago that we would find 1 games site that worked, then it would be blocked, so we just found another one. that ended this year, when somebody found out that you can download games.

    This won't work, I don't know why the Government bothers. Teenagers will be teenagers, and access whatever they want anyway. Rees and co. are just shooting themselves in the foot here.

    proxy whitelist Anonymous -- 28/10/08

    Just boot up via a linux liveCD and by by filter.

    look at those free filters the howard governement handed out they spent a ton of money only for a teenage kid to exploit it within minutes.

    Lock it down.... Anonymous -- 28/10/08

    They'll crack it, hack it and be accessing the sites they want off their mobile devices anyhow, laptop that's so 2000.

    And don't start me about connections...

    Whitelisting Anonymous -- 28/10/08 (in reply to #320115052)

    Whitelisting is a legitimate tool for education. These are not "student" notebooks. They are school notebooks to be used for education. They are not given to the student, they are given to the school. A whitelist filter cannot be broken, because all non-categorised sites are simply unavailable - there is nothing to "hack". If SSL is disabled (by not being in the whitelist) then proxy anonymisers cannot be used. This is technically very possible, and many schools over the years have used whitelists - teachers categorise sites that are appropriate and submit them to the master whitelist. In my experience, I would rather the kids are focused and have specific sites to research rather than the current system in many schools of allowing kids free reign. Making kids use sites that are part of their curriculum instead of the ad-hoc "go search for information" (that may or may not be factually correct) using search engines is much better for their education.

    Please remember this is for use in schools where the students are under 18, and is in no way similar to the Rudd censorship plan that will affect all Australians (not just under 18's in schools).

    Most students in most schools sign an AUP stipulating that they will use IT resources appropriately, and a whitelist is a legitimate IT tool for ensuring this is done. Anything that ensures students are focused on the topics they are studying is a good thing.

    As long as the whitelists are updated and managed correctly - and sites added when required for teaching purposes, then this system could work well.

    Whitelists Matthew Lye -- 27/02/09 (in reply to #320115073)

    The concept of whitelists is a very good one, and it is a good idea that they are being used in schools.

    The unfortunate reality is that they are easy to bypass, and the only way to avoid it is to render the machine unusable for something as simple as logging into email (by disabling SSL).

    Whitelists themselves are not related to protocols and will not affect SSL traffic, that is a port security issue.

    The issue with the statement was never really that whitelists/filtering was being used. It was more related to the reasoning that this 'security feature' would stop it being sold at the pub... only you can just replace the OS with a clean version removing that issue.

    Also saying something is unbreakable is an exercise in folly. Saying that you've made it as difficult as practically possible would be a better statement.

    Making it unbreakable would be deploying hardened linux to a desktop machine, that has the bios locked down, the machine chained to the desktop, and not connected to the internet.

    And yes, I have done that to test it.

    Another thing. mike smith -- 03/08/09 (in reply to #320115073)

    Laptops are cheap. Given the choice of an emasculated expurgated internet that this promises, I'd be leaving this at school and using my own. Let them worry about the physical security of a school's worth of laptops being on premises every night!

    Missed the point on RESEARCH Anonymous -- 10/11/08

    Look, I understand that people 'mean well' but its those very people that just make things worse.

    In the end you take responsibility and trust from people, once that matures things go much worse.

    Kids will just connect their computers to the proper internet through their phones and do what they want, infact you only promote them to do so, you also make it 'a challenge' to the tech savvy to get around things (which they will trust me).

    I cannot beleive how much this annoys me. What is going to happen when these people get older? you wonder why they go so crazy when they hit 18.

    I can only imagine how crappy and limited the 'research' will be with only whitelised websites. Imagine independent health companies that describe and detail about a particular illness, but a student misses out...

    Anyway, why bother, just idiots running the country these days.

    i hate NSW DET filtering Anonymous -- 01/12/08

    its so stupid. i'm 14 and i'll be getting this in year 10 next year, but seriously, their filtering is stupid. They don't personally go through and filter things, they just ban everything and slowly un ban stuff later. They once blocked the Google cache for crying out loud!!!!!

    Stupid filtering Anonymous -- 01/12/08 (in reply to #320117594)

    I agree. I'm 15 and will also be getting this next year. The DET filters at school block websites that we need to access for assignments and stuff, even the teachers complain about them. And besides, we'll just use the internet on the computers we already have which DON'T block important websites.

    Stupid, but good Anonymous -- 05/12/08 (in reply to #320117651)

    Im 14 and will also be getting a laptop next year. im happy with this but of coarse it will be a major let down like most things from the government or DET. I know the "unhackable computers" will be hacked within the first day. I mean people can take the home so they have plenty of time to stuff around with it. For example partitioning and installing xp on it as well, that will have to be possible and if not someone will make it possible. It shall be fun pissing off the DET :p

    agreed. Anonymous -- 11/12/08 (in reply to #320117594)

    I'm also fourteen, and although I'm not going to be considered a "senior student" - I'll be in year nine next year - my school is already feeling the impacts of this retarded filter. Seriously, websites that are RECOMMENDED BY THE SCHOOL are being blocked, and for what reason? Because they're uncategorised. What kind of stupid reason is that??
    I was in cooking class, accessing a recipe site FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES and a few minutes later they blocked it. The idiots that are running this country...
    Oh well, seeing as they have such a low opinion of our intelligence, I'd like to see their faces as students across the state crack their "unbreakable" filter within half an hour of getting it. :)

    stupid stupid DET Anonymous -- 04/12/08

    We have DET portal at our school as well and they once blocked google images!!! So when doing assignments we couldn't even find pictures!!! there spending so much money to block all these sites...the other day i saw people using hotmail, megavideo and stuff...DET fails..the money is all wasted! oh and the tiny comps we're goin to get that cost so much...why not use the money to get better comps and just screw DET!!!

    Stupid filtering. i agree. Anonymous -- 06/12/08

    Most of the sites you go to for researching are blocked. Most images on google images are blocked. Most sites are "uncategorised" and therefore blocked. Email clients are blocked so i can't get to attachments i have saved on hotmail. I can't live through school with only wikipedia. Hell, even Google Earth was blocked (or at some stage). I'm sure all this filtering and DET stuff also slows down the internet.

    Not pleased at all.. Anonymous -- 11/12/08

    I am 14 and going into Year 10 next year, and sorry to say, but I'm displeased with what I've just read.
    If they plan on filtering the Internet, then I say don't bother. In my opinion, having a laptop that has restricted access to sites is just a waste of plastic.
    The current proxy server also isn't exactly efficient. Most websites needed to complete assignment tasks or set class work is blocked, while some others which are "inappropriate" and completely irrelevant to school work are left unblocked.
    And come on! They think that their filter is "unbreakable"? Puh-lease. The government is completely underestimating today's youth. Kids these days are extremely computer savvy. That's not to say that all, or even majority of the students will be able to hack the system, but I'm sure many will.
    In my opinion, if the laptops are still going to be connected to the school network, there is really not much point in students keeping it after they finish year 12.
    The government seems to be making promises they can't keep.

    it will get broken no matter what they say Anonymous -- 01/07/09 (in reply to #320118708)

    trust me.... someone ....somewhere will break it ....everything can be broken ..

    Reboot?? Can but cant Anonymous -- 17/01/09

    Well you could reboot it but then the wireless internet password to you school gets deleted and i rekon deyd fined out coz only DET knows the passwords to all the computers pretty useless den

    Hardware hacking Anonymous -- 08/02/09

    It looks to me they would make it "unbreakable" through limitations in the hardware. So.. rather than being software tech savvy, all we need is some hardware tech savvy people and the laptop will be broken easily.

    Examples from real life: PSP, Xbox, PS... the list goes on.

    I wonder.. Anonymous -- 24/02/09

    I wonder if this is the same system that I people hacked in Highschool.

    Free unlimited, unrestricted Internet.

    The School admin couldn't work out how there was a $2,000 discrepancy between the Internet funds coming in and the actual Internet bill.

    Its been done, it will be done again.

    Certainty Anonymous -- 24/02/09

    The only Certainty in this life. Is a life full of uncertainty.

    You can not block anything on the internet. Fooling yourself if you think you can.

    The laptops can be reformated. Unless the govenment locks the HHD which is possible but cheap to replace install OS then sell .

    The govenment needs to stop mothering/wraping us in pink soft blanket and acctully do what a govenment should do. Mind thier own biz and provide the basic services a govenment should. My office/bedroom should not be on a govenment agender.

    All hail Crudd and the Nazi nation of Australia.

    Love the comment from the year 12 student. The govenment should stop making promises they cant keep :)

    Certainty Anonymous -- 18/06/09 (in reply to #320124011)

    Actually we are communist, not nazist - there is a big difference!

    Unbreakable? Anonymous -- 08/03/09

    How will it stand against a format?

    Unbreakable? Anonymous -- 09/03/09 (in reply to #320125107)

    How will it stand against a screwdriver?

    Unbreakable Anonymous -- 18/06/09 (in reply to #320125119)

    how will stand when you can't do either without damaging the laptop!

    ..... Anonymous -- 13/04/09

    i think this is a gr8 idea =)
    and for those dumb nuts out there who think this idea is stupid well get a life cause u r just jealous , jealous jealous jealous because you didnt get a laptop back in the days to help you with your education so stop ruining it for us (the ones who do have a gr8 oppotunity to hav this wonderful supply!!!

    E.g Anonymous -- 14/05/09 (in reply to #320129570)

    Well, we can now see the results of Krudd's Det blocks, soon all students will type like this.

    ^ your an idiot Anonymous -- 07/08/09 (in reply to #320129570)

    think about it dumbass the peeps who r complaining and saying it will be broken in a couple of mins or in highschool just lik me ive 15 and will get it in about 2 weeks we already have det on school comps and peeps hacked that in all of about 3 secs det is stupid if u try to use it for school stuff it dont let u and if u dont then it dont let u so half the peeps hacking r just trying to do there work...

    ****ed up .... -- 07/05/09

    I dont know much about either hardware or software but I can say this. When the DET blocks teachertube under the catagory of "EDUCATION"!!!!! something is **** up. Not the fact that teachertube itself is blocked but the fact that there is a catagory that gets blocked called education.

    pointless Chich -- 18/05/09

    I expect to see someone at my school (if not me) cleared of this filter within the first day.
    They underestimate the **** out of us. We're so much smarter than they think.

    I get mine in term 3. (Me, being in year nine atm)
    My IST teacher told me he wanted to see a kid crack it. He thinks the filter is stupid aswell.

    Waste of money.

    Pointless Anonymous -- 18/06/09 (in reply to #320136671)

    I can do it 5 minutes, it's called using TOR plugin for Mozilla Firefox. But, sad to admit you can't install applications, that is unless you have a system administrator password!

    How does this stop them selling them Anonymous -- 23/05/09

    I believe that a re-format will solve all problems, and the task of securing them to a DET only environment merely impossible.

    I know when i get mine, its going to get a fresh install of ubuntu.

    If that's impossible to do, then i think that these laptops are useless, maybe, ill just sell the parts off separately?

    In Yr 9 Anonymous -- 29/05/09 (in reply to #320137527)

    Yeah, I'm in Year 9 now and we're supposed to get it in term three. I think a reformat will stop you being able to access the DET server at school, and you won't be connected to Vision Client and stuff. So if you did manage to reformat it, they'd probably find out and replace your laptop or something. I think we can bypass this filter easy though.

    People will probably just reformat after they leave school though, so yeah, it will become like a proper laptop when we leave school.

    How does this stop them selling them Anonymous -- 18/06/09 (in reply to #320137527)

    good luck with no cd-rom or thumb drive on a user account!

    And oh btw you take out the parts you will damage the laptop as they are locked meaning unless you know the bios password to unlock them they will be rendered useless!

    guys they are almost unbreakable Anonymous -- 11/07/09

    our teacher got hers today. She said she was wonderin if she should use it as a doorstop or an actual computer. There is no cd drive, only 2 usb ports.
    this means if u do manage to reformatt youll have to buy ur own external cd drive to install OS. our teacher also is trying to crack them. She said when u reformatt somethin has been done so it pretty much kills the laptop. Even at home the filters still on,
    theyre also so small theyre not worth keepin.
    Im gettin mine next year but they look lke the most pointless eices of **** ever made. I mean, they have 2gigs of ram and 170 hd. you cant even save exes to the hardrive.WHY WASTE ALL THIS MONEY ON THEM IF U VANT DO **** ON THEM?

    The Problem of Laptops Rex Alfie Lee -- 13/07/09

    Yes, you may be able to reformat the hard drive & load another OS on it. As soon as you take it to school & it tries to login you'll be identified. You may not like the controls & limits on it but hey, it's a schoolwork computer & if you screw with it you may lose it. It's the same with work. Screw around using the computer in a way that is not acceptable & you get fired, hence you lose access to the computer.

    Get over it & use it the way it's meant to be used, for school. Education is about careers & how to have one. Nothing is perfect, least of all you. Live within the imperfections just like everyone else.

    Student laptops Anonymous -- 14/07/09

    my info is that the will run a proprietary version in Linux, and open source apps. here we go...double double backslash...bone up on your unix.

    NSW DET - Webbooks and Web services! Anonymous -- 15/07/09

    The filtering system that is used on these Notebooks is the same that is currently used on ALL desktops in schools in NSW for the past 2/3 years, to use them the student has to log onto the DET's portal with their own username/password before they can do anything, If the pc is stolen the DET then "locks" that machine so other students cannot use it, any tampering with the unit sets off an alert and because it is not reactivated in the required time frame it is then considered lost or stolen and the RFID details are then given to the police and again it is "locked" out of Web Services.
    The Notebooks have Windows 7 Installed under a special license and this has to be reactivated regularly online in a school environment . There is no CD Drive and access to the USB is severely limited, USB stand alone programs will not execute!

    They are, in my opinion, 10" pieces of political rubbish to "honor" the Federal Gov's election promise to equip "all students with a pc", LOL

    Bull**** Anonymous -- 11/09/09 (in reply to #320150420)

    Thats absolute BullShit about the Desktops and Laptops. The DET has a VLK that doesn't need to be reactivated. They have a special agreement with Microsoft so that Windows 7 will NOT have to be reactivated.

    school notebooks Anonymous -- 15/07/09

    Why is it that everything kids get has to be broken in the first half hour, what happened to the good old rule look after thing the right way and it will serve you well, everybody is soooo negative about everything, what about teaching the kids to respect things instead of ruining everything

    RE: School notebooks. Anonymous -- 15/07/09 (in reply to #320150430)

    These Notebooks are given to a student to use, damage it and lose it, there is no more - so if they want to have and use it they have to respect it, IF they look after it AND finish year 12 they can keep it but as yet I cannot find out how they can be reinstalled to use OUTSIDE the DET's portal.

    Its a state secret at the moment, :-)) ^^
    **

    Censorship Nazis Glenn Murray -- 24/07/09

    And this mob of control freaks want to have a hand in running the NBN

    I laugh at the government Megan -- 24/07/09

    The government never fails to underestimate teenagers. I'm 14, and most of my grade has worked out how to hack into the existing filters. The government thought it would be a good idea to block practically every single site, but they are so wrong. I personally don't think it will be a problem to break into the filter system again when we finally get these laptops.

    It's stupid to block "uncategorised" websites. We get lists of websites we need to access at school, and when we type in the URL, it's usually blocked. I just really want to know what is going on the government's head now; they really need to put someone with brains in soon, because us kids are a lot smarter than you think.

    @Megan - Hack? Anonymous -- 28/07/09 (in reply to #320163117)

    No you haven't mate - stop daydreaming the filters as you well found out are a whitelist, if a site is not on the list then its is "uncategorized" as you said, and access is denied, I have found a few "loopholes" but as soon as they have been used several times the system's "bot" picks that up and blocks it, proxies, tunneling etc just will not go.
    The DET's port "PAC" file will stop you bypassing anything, the best you can do is a few images from Google!

    They have gone overboard and even staff are now finding it frustrating.

    **

    yes and no Anonymous -- 09/09/09 (in reply to #320165377)

    i have to say... ive been reading up on them, and yes, it does sound incredibly difficult. like, impossible. however... im sure there will be some smart cookie in my school who will figure out something. i go to a nerd school. some kind person(s) has installed counterstrike and multiple nintendo emulators into a faculty folder. this means that every single computer in the school has these programs available to them. im sure to someone tech savy this doesnt sound like a very big feat, but considering these people did it just so they could play mario kart when they were bored, it's a worrying (for the government) and hopeful (for us) sign that when presented with the challenge, our students will rise to the occasion.

    Not going to work Anonymous -- 30/07/09

    It's not going to work. We all know it.

    Someone is going to get around the limitations and be able to either reinstall the OS or unlock the one on it.

    Then they're going to spoof the MAC address to look some another students laptop, change the PC name in Windows and download something they not allowed to. The admin is going to point the finger at the innocent kid because all evidence will point to him. He must have done it coz no one will _ever_ be able to alter their laptop right? Yeh I thought so.

    I like a puzzle.....

    Kids will be kids .. Michael -- 03/08/09

    yet another attempt at forcing childhood out and adulthood in. Maybe that's why we have the problems in our American society. Oops, Australian society. Streets too narrow to play games, too many cars, money to make... hell lets sacrifice childhood.
    Kids will have tantrums, won't care, will smash them, throw them laptops in swimming pools and toilets.
    And for the few that might use them - will the Australian English spell checker be installed??? or is this another slide into the cultural degeneralisation that is the US and A.

    unhackable aye? that will last till we get them... Anonymous -- 07/08/09

    allight heres da thing im basicaly 15 and im in year 9 and will get in about 2 weeks and i can tell u this we kids have hacked anything u guys have thrown at us that "stops us" from using certain stuff EVERYTHING if u have some system that cant be hacked Y DA **** AINT U USED IT YET and second i bet u cant install stuff right ill just get somthing called a keylogger that dont need to be installed and then get da freaking admin pass duh.... and i bet if dat dont work somthing else will u cant make an unhackable program u know y? because the services are on it so u cant succesfully stop that service short of geting rid of it thats how it works im sry ...freakin dumb **** dont underestimate kids with technology think about it if u have kids and they on comp how much of da time do u get wat they r doing i bet around 0 to minus 1

    and think about this no point in blocking stuff because we can get to it through phones these days so... even if its unbreakable we just use somthin else y dont u spend da money on getin us better lappys

    So students in years 10,11,12 this year? Anonymous -- 07/08/09

    Wont be getting them? is that how it is? If so, thats absolute BS, as it was promised that we would ALL get them, and it was our parents who voted for you premier! Also, i do agree that its too late to give year 12 them as by the time they got them, they will have finished school.

    If your in years 10,11,12 this year, and want to ensure your not forgotten sign the petition located here!

    http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/give-nsw-students-in-years-10-12-in-2009-a-free-laptop.html

    No Laughing Matter!!! Anonymous -- 01/09/09

    PS: And To Make Everything Funny, Be Assure That The DET Bosses Name Is Mr/Ms Toilet Diaper head!!!

    This might not be true... Anonymous -- 11/09/09

    hey im 14 and im turning into year 10 next year, it is pretty crappy how their filter is "unbreakable". anyways i just want to tell which might NOT be true but i heard of some teacher in school that you are able to go to the internet with unblocked sites but their is a monitering system that "big brother" is watching what you are doing on the computor, you type something on then the computor sends the data from what you are doing to the "big brother" and if you are doing or looking at invalid or sites that you dont need to go on they either put you on detention (ect.) or take away your laptops.

    Running foreign programs? David -- 14/09/09

    A friend has told me about how they would block any foreign programs from being used. If we were to use external hard drives, would this still be the case?

    Blocked sites Anonymous -- 01/10/09

    ... The filtering process is so thorough. i'm surprised I can go on this site right now. EVERYTHING is blocked - even some educational sites. Why don't they just block google? Everything you search on there gets blocked anyway!

    ididots Anonymous -- 05/10/09

    usb's do work on the stupid laptops. people have hacked into them and deleted the admin password so you can do anything you want on them. if the government was smart they would just not waste money on these stupid things. and i thought we were in a recession so why are they wasting money in the first place?

    ------------------ Anonymous -- 05/10/09

    hey stupid government you are giving 'unhackable' laptops to year 9 students right? well the students of year 9 are gen y f*** wits we are smarter then any other generation before us so we can hack them laptops without breakin a sweat while the DET is sitting down thinking 'how da hell did they do that?' next time you try a stupid thing like this again maybe get some gen y kids in to help coz that's what you guys seem to need. to beat the enemy recruit the enemy and the enemy is GEN Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is all gay Anonymous -- 25/10/09

    i think the government are a bunch of tight asses. they think they are doing the right thing by us and helping us with our education. well guess what? most schools have got them now including me and ive got games and full movies on it. and also all this filtering **** is just making every year 9 kid (except for nerds that dont care) hate the government. i bet some kid will make a program that will allow everyone to do whatever the hell they want and he or she will probably put it on disc and sell it and make more money than the stupid FEDERAL government is making. hahahahahaha suck on it.

    hi f u -- 01/11/09

    WTF it **** then u cant play games or msn

    Just like the Berlin Wall... Anonymous -- 09/11/09

    ...we'll bring it crashing down along with any notion the BoS has of keeping control of us school children. They take down one proxy, ten others will com to take their place. Hacks will spread like wild fire and soon they will be able to do nothing but surrender. Or at least accept our terms. They are the worst fusion of communism-facism possible ( achieving the impossible in the worst possible ways.) and we've got to do everything to BRING THEM DOWN.
    (Fine, so I was being melodramatic but we really do need to do something to take down more-than-just-a-few of their blocks.)

    ARGHH!! Anonymous -- 21/11/09

    Im about 3 weeks into using my laptop ( thank god THIS site isn't blocked!) and i actually like it. Its mostly quite fast, the programs are alright, and the batttery life pretty long .
    What i hate about it is the filter.
    What were the Government thinking? putting on some shittass filter that anybody, even if you dont know a USB port from a CD drive, can hack. I'm not saying that its easy, nobody in my school has yet (my school is quite a prestigious school, everyone has worked hard to get in here so nobody really wants to be kicked out). But if i had my way, i'd just say " Screw you , filter" and dump the whole idea down the recycle bin.
    Im getting quite sick of this whole filter, i cant even access some of the most useful sites, and all the "rude' messages don't get sent over the det portal. For heavens sake, a PD assignment about sexting (sending sexually suggestive messages) wasnt sent due to the content. I hate the filter. ARGHHHH!
    Im no computer sotware/hardware expert, by i really really hate the laptop filter. Other wise i really like the money "wasted" on these. More excuses if you dont hand in your assignemtn on time : eg "Computer crashed" or "ran outta battery," or "didn't back up my Hard drive/usb"
    lawl.

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