Microsoft calls IBM hypocritical on document standards

Microsoft is accusing rival IBM of orchestrating a campaign to block efforts to standardise Office document formats.

In an open letter released Wednesday, Microsoft executives contend that IBM is trying to influence the standards process to limit choice. It also said that IBM is encouraging governments to mandate a document format that IBM favours.

The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) is in the process of evaluating Microsoft's Office Open XML (OOXML) -- the default document formats in Microsoft Office 2007 -- as a standard. Such a ratification would be significant, particularly to governments that favour ISO certification for digital documents.

IBM and other Microsoft competitors favour OpenDocument Format (ODF), a format that has been standardised at the ISO. Government customers, including Massachusetts and some European countries, back ODF.

Microsoft contends that IBM is trying "to force ODF on users through public procurement mandates," which would have a negative effect on customers and the marketplace.

The open letter is signed by Tom Robertson, Microsoft's general manager for interoperability and standards, and by Jean Paoli, the company's general manager of interoperability and XML architecture.

In an interview with CNET News.com, Robertson said that IBM is "orchestrating a broad-based campaign" to prevent the ISO from even considering OOXML for standardisation.

"We see a level of hypocrisy in IBM's activities... They have long called on us to standardise formats, make the IP (intellectual property) freely available to the broader community, and we've done it. Now that that is done, they are putting a lot of resources to block standardisation" of OOXML, Robertson said. "IBM is fundamentally on the wrong side of the industry."

An IBM representative declined to comment via phone or e-mail.

In the past, IBM representatives -- and other Microsoft foes -- have called OOXML technically flawed and not fully "open" because it is controlled by Microsoft.

Robertson said that Microsoft chose to publish the letter to "shine a light" on IBM's activities. He noted that IBM was the only representative to vote against making OOXML a standard at Ecma International, another Europe-based standards body.

He declined to offer more details on IBM's activities because the ISO standardisation process is closed.

"Part of (the open letter) is to highlight what IBM is doing and its fundamentally negative implications for customers and the industry as a whole," Robertson said.

Following standardisation late last year at Ecma, Microsoft submitted Open XML to ISO through its "fast-track" process, which takes several months.

During an initial 30-day comment period, which ended earlier this month, there were 20 country representatives at ISO that made "contradictions," or comments, on the Open XML specification, according to people familiar with the proceedings. The comments, which could be minor, came from nearly one-third of the total 66 country representatives at the ISO, according to Andrew Updegrove, an attorney at Gesmer Updegrove and a standards expert.

Comments on the ISO submission are expected to be made public by the end of February.

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Talkback 6 comments

    More MS FUD ISO processes are OPEN NOT CLOSED Brent Wallis -- 15/02/07

    Perhaps the journo could have researched this a little more?

    The MS submission to ISO is 6,000 pages long!

    They submitted it to ISO giving them very little time to properly assess it.

    The ISO process IS NOT CLOSED!....in fact the submitted docs are available on Groklaw....(and it is here that I notice today that 20 countries have submitted objections) they are being torn to shreds.

    MS OOXML to ISO submission is incomplete in parts yet overly verbose in others... and refers many times to proprietry "black holes"!

    MS have yet to realise the open access to information that exists on the web...they are finding out the hard way that slipping this thing through will be all but impossible if they do not play by the correct rules.

    Its pathetic to see these dinosaurs trying to keep propping up their false mandate. Any wonder MS shares have been sliding since 2000....

    Their efforts would be better served if they wrote a plugin that supports the already ISO approved ODF standard....instead of everyone else doing it...

    Not the case Anonymous -- 15/02/07 (in reply to #320074685)

    If you had done your research you would have know that MS are working on a plugin for ODF. I to have been doing independent research on this issue and what i have found is that as far as intraoperability goes MS are bringing more to the table than IBM.

    MS writing ODF Plugin? I don;t think so... Anonymous -- 16/02/07 (in reply to #320074693)

    Hi,

    Yes I have researched re the MS plugin and your rebuttal is only half right:

    - MS initially said no way to it...
    - MS lost face when everyone else released one.
    - MS "announced" their ODF plugin...in the same way that they announced WinFS would be in Vista and change everybodies life.
    - MS have been beaten to market by so many people with this...

    Can you spell:
    ...vaporware.

    If they ever do actually release an ODF plugin that "works", I'll run down Bourke St naked...

    The last MS release on the matter that I can find is late October 2003....they ARE not going to do it...they will wait as long as they can to see if they can sneak through their own non standard.... all they have done is wave a flag to show they are "serious about interoperability"

    IBM less focussed on inter-operability?

    ...gee mate, do you actually work in this industry?

    IBM sell Linux AND Windows, and they regularly commit code AND processes back to the Open Source community which specifically addresses interoperability issues between the 2. There is no hiding this fact, there are plenty of examples that make your statement ill informed...

    hey your not the guy MS tried to pay to bend the truth about OOXML on Wikipedia are you.. ? :-)

    response Anonymous -- 16/02/07 (in reply to #320074772)

    They orginally said they would sponsor the creation of an adapter and the first version can be downloaded from http://sourceforge.net/projects/odf-converter/. Go i hope you dont have to run down Bourke St.
    My comment about intra op was purely in relation to ODF. Yes IBM do a lot more for intra op outside this area.
    This whole issue is more about two companies fighting for a market than anything else and if you believe that IBM arent in it for the same reasons as MS then i wont argue with your logic.

    Lastly i am not the MS guy from wikipedia. Havent even heard of that one. I am just a guy with a different opinion to you and doesnt beleive all the hype that either side brings. you could say i am skeptical of both camps.

    Microsoft's intellectual dishonesty ... Golodh -- 17/02/07

    It's almost as if Microsoft feels that opposing proposed "standards" is done on a basis of exchanging favours. If I don't oppose yours, you don't oppose mine. Rejection on merit? Huh? What merit? Since when did we ever judge standards applications on merit? You're just being hypocritical!

    Nevermind that customers are rejecting Microsoft Office because they are trying to get out of the lock-in of Microsoft's proprietary document format. Nevermind that Microsoft is into "Open" only to fudge the line between "Open standards that are documented and that anyone can implement and use" and "Proprietary with an open wrapper". Heh ... if I embed an MS-Word file into an XML document and compress the result using the Open Source program Gzip, does that make the resulting file "Open"? No? According to Microsoft's own logic, it does!

    And all this just to disguise the fact that their proposed "Open" standard allows them to put their their (totally proprietary) Office format into a document that follows the standard and then call it "Open". It's squarely aimed at fooling manager types into ticking a box labelled "Open Standards compliant" on their checklist.

    Of course it's a fine example of complete intellectual dishonesty on Microsoft's part ... but whenever did Microsoft ever care about honesty? Intellectual or otherwise? Microsoft didn't become big by using such stupid tactics ...

    Take that video demonstration for example. You know ... the one that showed Windows "crashing" when Explorer was removed. Any ordinary person would have gone to jail for perjury on that "testimony" ... but large companies are exempt it seems. "A regrettable communication error sir." Yeah, right.

    As many people know ... Microsoft's OOXML is a blatant attempt to perpetuate Microsoft's proprietary standards through a selection of backdoors in a 6,000 page standard proposal that Microsoft is trying to rush through. Just see the "criticism" section in this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML [wikipedia.org]

    Microsoft's intellectual dishonesty ... Golodh -- 17/02/07

    It's almost as if Microsoft feels that opposing proposed "standards" is done on a basis of exchanging favours. If I don't oppose yours, you don't oppose mine. Rejection on merit? Huh? What merit? Since when did we ever judge standards applications on merit? You're just being hypocritical!

    Nevermind that customers are rejecting Microsoft Office because they are trying to get out of the lock-in of Microsoft's proprietary document format. Nevermind that Microsoft is into "Open" only to fudge the line between "Open standards that are documented and that anyone can implement and use" and "Proprietary with an open wrapper". Heh ... if I embed an MS-Word file into an XML document and compress the result using the Open Source program Gzip, does that make the resulting file "Open"? No? According to Microsoft's own logic, it does!

    And all this just to disguise the fact that their proposed "Open" standard allows them to put their their (totally proprietary) Office format into a document that follows the standard and then call it "Open". It's squarely aimed at fooling manager types into ticking a box labelled "Open Standards compliant" on their checklist.

    Of course it's a fine example of complete intellectual dishonesty on Microsoft's part ... but whenever did Microsoft ever care about honesty? Intellectual or otherwise? Microsoft didn't become big by using such stupid tactics ...

    Take that video demonstration for example. You know ... the one that showed Windows "crashing" when Explorer was removed. Any ordinary person would have gone to jail for perjury on that "testimony" ... but large companies are exempt it seems. "A regrettable communication error sir." Yeah, right.

    As many people know ... Microsoft's OOXML is a blatant attempt to perpetuate Microsoft's proprietary standards through a selection of backdoors in a 6,000 page standard proposal that Microsoft is trying to rush through. Just see the "criticism" section in this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML [wikipedia.org]

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