Microsoft: Try Vista, it's not as bad you think

By Ina Fried, CNET News.com
02 May 2008 10:48 AM
Tags: enterprise, perception, sales, vista, nash
Windows Vista pink

Microsoft has been trying different ways to promote Windows Vista, including a special pink edition in Japan that combines Vista Home Premium with Windows Live OneCare. (Credit: Amazon.com)

In the 15 months since Windows Vista had its mainstream launch, Microsoft says it's made progress on a number of key metrics: things like application compatibility, availability of drivers, performance, reliability, and battery life.

But there is one area where the company has struggled to gain ground: how Vista is perceived.

"There's certainly a perceptual gap there," Mike Nash, a Microsoft corporate vice president, said in an interview on Thursday. He pointed to Microsoft research that shows that 86 percent of those actually using Vista would recommend it to a friend.

"The perception of Vista is a lot better for the people that have used Windows Vista than [for] the ones who haven't," Nash said. "At some level, a little seeing is believing."

Microsoft has been trying different ways to promote Windows Vista, including a special pink edition in Japan that combines Vista Home Premium with Windows Live OneCare.

In terms of absolute sales, Vista has done well. More than 140 million computers have been sold with the operating system. But looking at that figure alone ignores the continued lacklustre response that Vista gets from media and analysts, as well as the continued demand from businesses for the operating system's predecessor, Windows XP.

Microsoft is going on the PR offensive this week, with Nash trying to make the case to the press that Vista is getting a bad rap.

Top executives have conceded that compatibility was not where it needed to be at Vista's launch. But Nash says things have really changed in the ensuing months.

The company tries to track what the odds are that an XP user will find that all the hardware and software they use today will work with Vista.

Currently, it's above 90 percent, Nash said, excluding truly old devices like TWAIN scanners and devices that connect to outdated ports. He notes that 99 of the 100 top-selling applications work with Vista.

That number, though, can be deceiving. Although the latest versions of most programs work with Vista, many consumers and small businesses use older versions of programs. That adds to the cost of switching to Vista.

Nash resists the notion that the answer is providing another extension for computer makers to keep selling Windows XP. Microsoft already extended the deadline for large computer makers once, allowing sales through 30 June, as opposed to ending them this past January. The software maker also granted a more narrow extension, allowing XP to be used on ultralow-cost computers through 2010.

Microsoft says XP plan "is the right plan"
Nash maintains that the users who really still need XP — businesses — have ways to get the operating system, while it's time for the rest of the ecosystem to move forward.

While some would argue that the fact that computer makers are "pre-downgrading" Vista machines to Windows XP should prompt Microsoft to grant another extension, Nash said the downgrade option is sufficient to address what Microsoft sees in the marketplace.

"We feel that our plan is the right plan," Nash said. Enterprises with volume licence contracts can continue putting XP on machines, while small businesses can buy Vista Business or Ultimate, and have either their computer maker or service provider downgrade them to XP, until they are ready to move to Vista.

"I don't think it's a convoluted process," Nash said. "We want to make sure that customers can get what they need."

As for business adoption, Nash said things with Vista are fairly similar to what has been seen with past releases, as large enterprises take time to make sure that their applications are compatible.

"I don't think this is a different phenomenon than what we have seen in the past," Nash said, adding that it is the case that enterprises are more complex than they were when XP debuted in 2001.

Tom Norton, who works in Hewlett-Packard's consulting unit, said it remains the early days for businesses, when it comes to Vista.

Companies moving to Vista are typically doing so as part of a coordinated plan to reduce the annual cost of supporting their desktop PCs. Vista alone is often not enough to drive the cost savings, but businesses are finding that by combining Vista with better management tools, they can shave US$80 or even US$120 off the US$300 or so they spend per year to support each PC.

At the same time, Norton said some challenges are limiting adoption, including the view that upgrading to Vista is more work, as well as the actual hardware costs that many businesses face in trying to move to the more demanding operating system.

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Talkback 31 comments

    I have tried it. John -- 02/05/08

    I went out and bought Vista Ultimate. I used it for about 12 months. The only reason why I persisted for so long was because it cost so much to buy. I have since ditched Vista on my home PC for Ubuntu, I have also bought myself a Mac Mini.
    Microsoft needs to take some drastic action in the development of the next version of Windows.

    Me too Anonymous -- 02/05/08 (in reply to #320100805)

    Exact same deal with me...bought Vista Ultimate last year foolishly thinking I'll be able to create DVD's and movies easily...yeah, right. To this day haven't been able to do ONE playable DVD... Don't tell me I should do this and that because I did, I am an IT pro, MCSE and all that. I just ordered an iMac althought I don't think they are the be all and end all the Mac fans are trying to picture them as. We'll see, maybe I'll become brainwashed too :-)

    If you are having problem burning DVD's Anonymous -- 05/05/08 (in reply to #320100807)

    From Vista, then you are doing something wrong. I burn DOZENS of DVD's a week sometimes with my Vista PC, and I have had no problems getting all the disks to pass the verification checks in Nero and even Windows Media Centers verification checks.

    Burning with VISTA is easier Anonymous -- 12/05/08 (in reply to #320101062)

    I have burnt many discs, dvd videos, audio cds with vista and have had no trouble. You are probably referring to thrid party applications which were not compatable when VISTA released, most of these programs are now compatible, I use DVD Shrink and Alcohol 120 without hassle.

    Still keeping that head buried deeply in the sand Anonymous -- 02/05/08

    Stats after stats that mean nothing. Truth is Vista is bad and most people giving it a bad rap are people who used it from day one. We tried Vista on new hardware and expensive new peripherals for more than 8 months and we are ditching it, it doesn't make any business sense to keep it, even after SP1.

    MS lacks credibility Peter T. -- 02/05/08 (in reply to #320100806)

    MS lacks credibility. Between outright lying, deception and anti-competitive practices, many in the community have simply lost faith in anything MS has to say. Take their "Get the facts" site which supposedly compares Windows and Linux server software. It is extremely biased and deceitful! Before anyone now starts to accuse me of being a Linux or Apple advocate, you are wrong. I have two computers - one with XP Home the other with Vista Ultimate. I like VU, but do not in any way consider it to be value for money over XP! There is nothing "ultimate" about it.

    Vista is great Anonymous -- 02/05/08

    Been using it since the beta's. I'm far more productive than when using XP and I've had no compatibility problems. I'm using a 4 year old Dell laptop.

    Vista Anonymous -- 03/05/08 (in reply to #320100824)

    Well, I bought a new laptop in early December of 2007. It came with Vista and was a piece of crap.
    It was so slow I could make coffee, cook eggs and toast while Vista was still loading (Memory's of the 80's).

    Took it back for more ram, did nothing and was still slow and full of crap.

    Then decided to use it (laptop) as a small anchor, but decided to have XP installed.

    Well since then it now works today instead of tomorrow.

    I AM NOT A VISTA FAN.

    Vista was put out way to early by Microsoft.

    As you are probably aware Microsoft is coming out with Windows 7, in 2009 or 2010.

    Do you think they are going to be supporting Vista much longer?

    Don't blame Microsoft for the slowness of your computer Christopher Kidwell -- 05/05/08 (in reply to #320100913)

    Allow me to put things simply: I bought a medium-grade Toshiba computer, and was bitching about it being slow even after I upgraded the memory.
    I took it to a friend, he scanned the computer..... MANY pieces of what is called 'crapware'. I removed them, and my machine now starts up very quickly.

    WE have tried it. Anonymous -- 02/05/08

    After extensive testing for months and doing without paid for software EG: Nero 6 etc etc our three PC's are now back on XP.

    Vista the Windows ME of the 21st Century! :)

    I've got Vista too John Fox -- 02/05/08

    I was given a full retail Vista Ultimate. Currently not heavy enough to keep the office door open. Looks nice on my shelf instead.

    From fastest to slowest machine with VISTA Anonymous -- 02/05/08

    I installed Vista Home Premium SP1 on the fastest machine in our household and it became the slowest one despite 2GB of RAM and no indicated hardware problems. I really don't understand MS. I can't see any advantage of this operating system. It's slower, needs much more clicks to do the same things and isn't quite intuitive. I regret the purchase after 4 hours of usage. Ohh, I forgot the 3D flip between applications - that's worth it. ;-) (not really)

    vista Anonymous -- 03/05/08

    its not as bad as what everyone say. if you ask me.
    for others who want to find out here is a 30 day tril version

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c2c27337-d4d1-4b9b-926d-86493c7da1aa&DisplayLang=en

    I love Vista 64bit Anonymous -- 03/05/08

    Vista Ultimate 64bit SP1 is the quickest and greatest OS I have ever had. I have a high spec machine though. Quad CPU, 8800GT Video Card, 4gb Ram. If I had to go back to XP I would commit suicide ! lol.

    In 12 months time Vista will be running on many more machines as the hardware makers catch up and more higher spec machines are being sold.

    not as bad as what? Anonymous -- 03/05/08

    Yes...... i know..its not as bad as Windows ME !!!

    Vista Ultimate - yes my copy is being used as coaster > perfect use for it .

    [quote] I don't think it's a convoluted process," Nash said. "We want to make sure that customers can get what they need." [/quote]

    Yes we need something that works ! Vapoured brained empty headed moron.. stop the spin and produce the goods..

    VISTA Simon -- 04/05/08

    I recently bought a laptop with Vista Premium installed. I really wish they installed Xp on it. Like all the other comments here it is slow, asks too many questions, has dramas with other applications, the laptop "hangs" when I ask it do something simple. I do like the 3D flip between pages though, that is a great feature, sometimes sit there for half an hour just flipping between pages! Not really, I think MS should have stopped at XP

    Vista is not slow Christopher Kidwell -- 05/05/08 (in reply to #320100986)

    Compared to XP on the same hardware. I installed Vista on my parent's 4 year old HP Media Center PC, and it runs FASTER with Vista Home Premium on it than it did with XP Media Center Edition on it.
    Some people who are whining about 'Vista takes a long time to boot' or 'Vista is slow!' should get out their stopwatches and TIME IT, as I did. They would find that starting up, Vista is JUST AS FAST as XP, if not a second or two faster.
    Shutting down, it's a little slower, but hey.... it's saving a lot more information to the hard drive.

    XP was better. Thomas W -- 04/05/08

    I've experience Vista too, more thoroughly than I cared to.

    Had a brand-new highend computer delivered as my personal workstation, tried to use it for a month.

    Then I rebuilt the computer with XP instead, so I could have a clean, efficient & usable workstation and get some work done.

    Total value of Vista: $0
    Total cost of eval then rebuild: $6000
    (ignoring cost of Vista, as bundled with machine.)

    Net loss: $6000.

    Can't remember what 'features' Vista was meant to offer over XP, other than the retarded security thing.
    There were many bugs & incompatabilities, though. The graphics were meant to be more slick but some of this was broken.

    Oh yeah I think it ran up to 40% more slowly, too. And still the same old lame ineffective search facilities, too.

    VISTA makes it much easier to find programs Anonymous -- 12/05/08 (in reply to #320100991)

    "Oh yeah I think it ran up to 40% more slowly, too. And still the same old lame ineffective search facilities, too." - Did you bother to use the new search box in the start menu, or are you too caught up with the mob mentality of VISTA sucks, I like XP, even though it looks like it was built in 1995. Get with the times and stop being a sheep.

    Seen it, binned it.. Anonymous -- 05/05/08

    ...as most people I know have also. That 140 million licenses sold must be all your volume licensing customers (who can install XP anyway but it is counted as 1 vista license) cause everyone that I know has the same opinion as the media: Vista is a POS.

    Vista and Nvidia problems Anonymous -- 06/05/08

    I have been running Vista Ultimate on a notebook purchased from a major vendor about 9mths ago.....things were going ok, I had to farewell some treasured apps and games (but then discovered virtual pc). Anyway several weeks ago I had an error stating driver stopped and recovered etc etc.., suddenly BSOD and now blank screens....the various forums suggested 2 fixes, non worked...Nvidia cannot provide a fix, neither can MS or the HW vendor....The recommended fixes now are install XP. (i cannot replace the vga card)....
    Not Happy.....To not be able to fix a driver issue is so poor I find myself lost for words....I hate being screwed around...I have to P2V my notebook, install XP and wait till a working driver is released by Nvidia and the HW vendor.

    Vista is not fun Anonymous -- 09/05/08

    My main reason for not buying Vista? Program support. Gone are the times when programs just worked - now you get to have fun looking for 'Vista-versions' of everything that stops working all of a sudden. I'm now talking about general-use programs like Nero and iTunes - I'm talking about older videogames, the likes of which I've spent enough time just trying to get working on XP, let alone Vista.

    Also, the 1GB of RAM recommended is really not sufficient. I think they might have erred by 2-3GB.

    Lastly, it's too damn expensive.
    Although the box shown in the article (Japanese 'Pink' edition) looks quite pretty and would make a nice bookend. If one was so inclined.

    And as a personal story, my brother probably holds the world record for the shortest ever usage of Vista - 19 hours. After that, he went to Linux. 'Nuff said.

    You guys are noobs Sneaky Pete -- 10/05/08

    I would say 95% of computer users are noobs. Those of you that have tried Vista for longer than a couple of hours, how many have tried to share an Internet (ethernet/ wireless) connection over a home network ? I would say hardly anybody. This would have to be about 100 times easier to set up with Vista than with XP. Vista is a huge improvement in many many ways compared to XP.

    And what are all you noobs still doing on 32bit OS ? We all have 64bit CPU's now do we not ?

    XP 32bit cannot address or use more than 3gb of Ram ? For me this OS gets 0/10 for this startling handicap.

    All you noobs/kiddies keep playing with your matchbox cars/XP while the real men will be racing around in their muscle cars/Vista.

    Vista SP1 runs fine on 1 gb Ram Sneaky Pete -- 11/05/08 (in reply to #320101427)

    Vista SP1 will run fine on as little as 1gb of Ram. For an extreme tweak to really speed things up go to

    http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2110595,00.asp

    Get with the times Anonymous -- 12/05/08 (in reply to #320101427)

    Seiously it is the worst case of mob mentality I have ever seen, are all PC users Sheep ?

    VISTA rocks. get on board morons.

    You're truly right! Anonymous -- 12/05/08 (in reply to #320101427)

    Windows Vista, the newer OS, at least It is always better than XP: 5 years of improvement with users' feedback... Please do try, Windows Vista is truly "100 times easier to set up with than XP", I just install it and best settings are automatically adjusted.

    Try again... Music Mick -- 12/05/08 (in reply to #320101427)

    You really should get your facts straight before you pop your head up on forums like these (otherwise you're likely to get it shot off!). XP 32 can address 4Gb of RAM not 3Gb (sorta buggers up your credibility...)
    I'm sure for most people using common programs would find Vista fine, but for me, I really cant justify replacing several thousand dollars of audiovisual software (that WILL NOT work on Vista) that works fine on XP, just to upgrade to a new operating system that really doesn't do anything more but look a bit more swish.
    I find through personal experience with friends that are using Vista that were originally XP users, that they are frustrated trying to do things that were straight-forward in XP that require an incredible amount of patience in Vista.

    To each their own, but personally, I find XP to be robust, stable, easy to use and, more to the point, compatible with my not-so insignificant investment in non-Vista-compatible software.

    As far as the comment on Vista muscle cars, get real !!! Try putting a program that really taxes a PC like ProTools, Sonar or Cubase with lots of plug-ins/soft synths etc on a Vista PC and watch how quick it turns its toes up compared to a similar XP machine.
    The fundemental problems with Vista are not just compatibility and stability problems, which may all be overcome one day, but the massive overhead it places on system resources, which will never be fixed.

    Facts Straight Sneaky Pete -- 13/05/08 (in reply to #320101589)

    Music Mick I should get my facts straight ehh ? Be educated goto

    http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00015.htm

    and try to understand why XP 32bit cannot see/use more than 3gb Ram ! If the article is too technical for you I will try to explain lol.

    They are straight... Anonymous -- 14/05/08 (in reply to #320101667)

    I should have specified "XP Pro" which CAN address 4GB + of RAM where XP Home & Media Centre can't.
    And, yes I can understand the article you mentioned (no need to be condescending), but really, it is not 100% correct because the author also left out the difference between XP Home & XP Pro.
    If you are going to paraphrase other peoples articles, it may pay to check a few more..ROTFL

    P.S. It still doesn't make any difference about XP vs Vista - using your car analogy, it's like having a fuel injected V8 engine in 2 different cars... XP a light bodied composite compared to Vista - an F250 Ford pickup (with pretty neon underbody lights and a foxtail on the aerial). Both have the same horsepower but both perform very differently.

    They are straight...2 Music Mick -- 14/05/08 (in reply to #320101780)

    P.P.S. One other thing.... Your comment about how hardly anyone would home network XP PC's. I manage 4 desktops (3 XP Home, 1 XP Pro) and a laptop (XP Home) on wireless and it couldn't have been simpler....just ran the network setup wizard, on each PC set up the shared folders/drives and everything was up and running. The network also has 2 NAS servers, a media streamer and a network printer and the only hiccup I've experienced is a problem with the wireless which I've traced to the access point which is still no fault of the XP operating system.

    Put it into perspective: Win XP wasn't really considered stable and robust until SP2 so, maybe give Vista a couple more years and another service pack or 2 and the operating system may end up being a fitting successor to XP. I only hope that PC horsepower also keeps improving at the same pace to run Vista as effortlessly as XP runs on current PC's.

    Vista 64. Get dual core, got on the train Reggie "The King" Crooner -- 12/05/08

    Vista Home Premium 64 bit edition

    Runs brilliantly using my dual core P4
    2 Gb Ram
    Graphics display = Nvidia Geforce 6600: Runs Aero and keeps all other displays in check.

    Heck it ran even better on my AMD 5200
    Geforce 7950GT 512mb
    3GB ram

    Alas I decided to try it out on my older pc and its running great. I do have some compatibility issues with older games and software but thats to be expected when running the 64 bit edition. Most major companies and even smaller companies have added 64 bit compatibility.

    Just as with last GEN the 64 bit edition of XP was poor, it was a testing ground and now the shoe is on the other foot. 64 edition is the creme de la creme of Vista.

    I did initially have the 32 bit edition and got crashes constantly. To me thats enough evidence to satisfy when 64 has not had 1 problem

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