Is Microsoft driving freeloaders to Linux?

Iain Ferguson, ZDNet Australia commentary Is this the week Microsoft finally got serious about fighting piracy -- and could its efforts cost Redmond business?

Redmond's decision to mandate a piracy check for all customers who want to download add-ons for Windows XP -- excluding security patches -- is designed to check what the company regards as rampant illicit use of its software.

The problem is so bad, Redmond reckons, that around one-third of all copies of Windows in use worldwide are illegitimate.

If so, the potential for Microsoft to grow its revenues by enforcing legitimate usage is obviously huge -- an incentive which grows only more attractive when one considers Windows' virtual saturation of the desktop market.

Already some commentators are saying such a program may anger some people who are used to using illicit copies of Windows XP for free and push them to consider switching to Linux or Mac OS X. While this may not be a large proportion, a shift representing just a few percentage points could be claimed as a victory by Microsoft's rivals.

Fair enough -- but the Linux community in particular must realise that customers' preparedness to trial alternatives is a long way from actually signing up to a non-Microsoft product in the longer term.

In an recent column, the Mozilla Foundation's Asa Dotzler explains why Linux is not ready for the desktop -- citing critical factors such as migration, stability, simplicity, and comfort. Each area is, Dotzler argues, characterised by technical capability shortcomings as well as usability failings.

User frustration with these difficulties may see their initial flirtation with Linux forgotten quickly as they race back to Windows' embrace -- even if they now have to cough up to continue their affair with Microsoft. One could even ask whether Microsoft will suffer any net loss to Linux whatsoever and may in fact secure an even more loyal user base in the longer term.

Apple's Mac OS X could potentially pick up a few users who react in a knee-jerk way to Redmond's measures -- but they may just as easily look at the cost and annoyance of shifting away from familiar turf and decide to grudgingly come back to Microsoft.

The anti-piracy push is a no-brainer for Microsoft. Any loss would be miniscule against the potential benefits of recouping some of the money they are legitimately owed. If you are an Apple or Linux advocate, I would not hold your breath for a surge of new permanent converts to your cause.

What do you think? Is the anti-piracy program likely to push people away from Microsoft products? E-mail us at edit@zdnet.com.au or use the talkback mechanism to give us your thoughts.

Iain Ferguson is ZDNet Australia News Editor.

Talkback 64 comments

    Boycott Dell, HP, Gateway The ...Anonymous -- 29/07/05

    Boycott Dell, HP, Gateway

    The major computer OEMs such as Dell, HP, and Gateway are refusing to offer CONSUMERS a non-Microsoft choice.

    These OEMs are anti-competitve and anti-consumer-choice.
    They continue to maintain Microsoft's desktop monopoly.

    I suggest not doing business with these companies
    until they offer a serious non-Microsoft choice to CONSUMERS.

    I agree barry -- 01/08/05 (in reply to #120119608)

    totally agree! these big guns say they're behind linux but you can't even buy a machine with it pre-loaded from them

    Perhaps a class action suit against major PC vendors is the answer? Anonymous -- 02/08/05 (in reply to #120119608)

    If they aren't willing to provide users with choices, perhaps they should be told about it in a way that they cannot easily ignore?

    hp do look at evo's Anonymous -- 17/08/05 (in reply to #120119608)

    "D530 SFF Cel 2.6/80GB/DVD/512MB/LINUX"

    I refuse to pay for the Micros ...Anonymous -- 29/07/05

    I refuse to pay for the Microsoft Virus and they've never had a cent from me. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot barge pole if it wasn't for the fact that very few of my programs will run on anything else. The moment I find an OS that all my programs run on I'm moving.

    Hardly, I read with interest ...Anonymous -- 29/07/05

    Hardly, I read with interest that "hackers" have already figured out how to get around micr$oft's latest "initative".
    What really annoys me is that as an OEM system builder, previously all my machines would leave fully patched and updated ready to survive the first of the customers' internet exploits. Now unless I first want to activate windoz ( don't get me started on this insidious process ) then download micro$oft's own version of spyware to determine if the copy of windoz is legal I can't patch and update customer systems to the standard I require as a minimum.

    I got my copy of windows of eb ...Anonymous -- 29/07/05

    I got my copy of windows of ebay, I can't afford my own copy as im only a student. when im a graduate with a job i will pay. it's only me and it wont make much difference to Microsoft.

    However, if theres a time when I need windows when i still can't afford it, like the new windows next year - then I would rather fork out the money and buy it than switch to an free/low cost alternative.

    I belive that a large percenta ...Anonymous -- 29/07/05

    I belive that a large percentage of pirated xp users are using linux already. Besides the only thing that is come out of this are the people who are some how got a copy of xp from a buddy did no know persay it was pirated. The real pirates are not phased by this and will have some work around done to bypass what ever microsoft has.

    As if Microsoft doesn't genera ...Anonymous -- 30/07/05

    As if Microsoft doesn't generate enough revenues every month (over 1 BILLION). They really need to "enhance" their revenues. I would like to ask Bill Gates: WHEN is enough, enough? You are allready the richest man in the world. Such insane greed seems to drive you and your undelings.

    Of course, a crack for this "Genuine Advantage" (how is it a advantage to have a "Genuine" copy of windows?)check was found and distributed on the web within 24 hours, making this latest move to rake in more money moot.

    But then, if one knows how to turn off all the little servers that are on by default in windows, configure IE peoperly and use a decent firewall while not doing stupid things like visiting every suspicious site on the web, opening e mail with attachments, or, executing same,etc, one generally does not have to worry about exploits, "drive by's", virii and worms, as I have proved to myself by using a box set up this way without ANY updates from Microsoft for a period of MONTHS. Guess what? Not ONE virus, spyware, worm, exploit or anything else. To hear websites such as this tell it, such exploits are everywhere. And, of course, IE is trash, better get Firefox or opera, right? Suckers.

    Seems to me that this is geared to the well ingrained (by now) impulse to "upgrade" simply because they tell you to.

    Not me, thanks

    Who needs updates Anonymous -- 02/08/05 (in reply to #120119632)

    Yes I agree with the fact that a sensible user with a firewall does not really need all of the 'critical updates'. My farther (30 year + Cobol programmer) had a win2k box up and running connected to the net 24/7 for a few years with no virus of exploit problems.

    You can get XP Pro OEM (legit ...Anonymous -- 30/07/05

    You can get XP Pro OEM (legit with key#) mail order for around $90 in the USA (Home OEM $75), while that's still a lot of money for students, under-employed etc, it's a lot better than the $200+ for a the retail version.

    We had a free ride for 2 yrs, I guess it's
    not unreasonable for Microsoft to do this.
    Anybody not happy is welcome to go back to
    "good" old days of Win98 or Win Millenium
    when it would crash even if you looked at i

    It is pitty to see so many peo ...Anonymous -- 30/07/05

    It is pitty to see so many people who think there is no life after MS. If run Windows, you will run Linux. Give your self a chance with Linux. You will be much happier.

    Li-(nux)curious Anonymous -- 06/08/05 (in reply to #120119642)

    I have a box running Linux/Windows and to be honest, if it were feasible, I'd be a total convert to Linux. The problem is getting it to run the way you want it to. It's too much sometimes, there's 4 ways to do everything when 1 is sufficient. Everything I've done on Linux works well, but it took me forever to widdle down to only what I needed. Linux is just bloated, too complex for most home users.

    Well, there is another way to ...Anonymous -- 30/07/05

    Well, there is another way to look at it. By doing this, Microsoft are making honest people out of copyright infringers. Welcome to our culture, where software distribution isn't illegal!

    I run Windows XP Home myself, ...Anonymous -- 30/07/05

    I run Windows XP Home myself, and even though it came with the comp I'm on, I just spent 240.00 on SuSe 9.3 Pro and a new modem. M$ wants to try and make more money, fine. People can download Mandrake or another Linux distro and get a manual and learn the OS. M$ doesn't really care about anything but money anymore it seems, while *nix developers do this in their free time making something worth while. Which is better, dedicated programers, or a money-hungry corp?

    Well, maybe. No, only a few us ...Anonymous -- 30/07/05

    Well, maybe.

    No, only a few users will take immediate actions against MS. But others will follow once the path has been broken. Then the domino effect kicks in and ...

    No, looking for non-MS solutions is not mainstream today. But since MS's targets (end-users) use Geeks like me for advice, the market's actions will be affected by our angered.

    I'm convinced that BG is making a potentialy fatal mistake by giving Geeks even more motivation to find another way.

    BTW: to those who say Linux is not ready for prime-time; look at some of the latest distributions and the applications available. Things have really changed in the last few years. Try Knoppix and visit SourceForge.com to get a better idea of GNU today.

    I have a legal copy of Windows ...Anonymous -- 30/07/05

    I have a legal copy of Windows XP sitting on my junk desk with all the other windows crap i used to use.I moved to MEPIS linux 3 months ago and haven't looked back.I found linux to be a real Computer OS that i can change any way I want and it just keeps Getting Better!It has every thing that M$ has and more!You could choose to pay or not to pay,CAN YOU IMAGINE EVEN BEING OFFERED A CHOOSE FROM M$!!!It's there way or there way,wow what a choose!I maid my choose and i'm thankfull to the linux people out there that made my FREEDOM possiable.I can only offer you windows users my best of luck to you!Have fun with using "YOUR" computer the way they want you to use it to serve there greed.Maybe someday you will join us on the other side of the WINDOW'S and have a free beer.

    I own a legitimate copy of win ...Anonymous -- 31/07/05

    I own a legitimate copy of windows xp, but I think this battle against piracy is never going to end. The high prices that microsoft puts on their os's will in fact raise piracy, but with the anti-piracy policies it will eventually be reduced, only a little. Linux ain't ready for home users and mac os x requires a costefull upgrade which many users can't affrod. I think piracy will continue to raise, but Linux ain't gonna get new users.

    You pay for your hardware, oth ...Anonymous -- 31/07/05

    You pay for your hardware, otherwise you can not use the software either...So why is it OK to run illegal copies of some software? Pay up or don't use it!

    And yes, Linux will profit from it, since Linux users are also paying or using free distributions. And than the fair fight just starts...It was on time, that MS starts to take care...lets start to re-educate!

    Apples to oranges Anonymous -- 06/08/05 (in reply to #120119666)

    I see where you're coming from, but when it comes to hardware, if you don't need the top of the line, there are any number of hardware combos that may work for you for cheaper. In the M$ world, you have 2 choices pro or home, even if you don't need everything that XP has, you still have to fork up the dough for the full version.

    Grow the base. As more people ...Anonymous -- 31/07/05

    Grow the base. As more people try Linux, they will discover what they've been missing and reject Microsoft. Excellent news!

    What is important here is the ...Anonymous -- 31/07/05

    What is important here is the fat that people are seriously considering Linux as a Desktop OS!
    I have used Linux since 1998 and I can tell anyone that Linux has made tremendous strides in ease of use, application availability, driver support, etc...

    Even a couple years ago if you would have said that there was even a possibility of the average Windows user making the switch to Linux you would have been laughed at and ridiculed! Now were at the tipping point to where advanced computer users can and will make the switch to FREE and Open Source software...

    It's just a matter of time, When Vista ships and it runs like a dog (even if it runs at all) on older computers. These people will only have one avenue to upgrade there PC.. Linux!

    And when IE7 ships if your not a XP SP2 or maybe SP3 user you will be left in the cold! look at FireFox it has everything that IE7 plans to have now and it runs on old and new OS's

    One out of three people using ...Anonymous -- 31/07/05

    One out of three people using Windows have stolen their copy? That implies that one out of three Windows users are savvy enough to install Windows from scratch on a naked PC. That implication alone is enough to reject Microsoft's claims.

    There are 400 Windows workstations where I work. I know from experience, working with those Windows users, that at least 375 of them aren't knowledgable enough to put a shortcut on their desktop, or even fix one that got broken. And Microsoft wants me to believe that 133 out of 400 of those people want to buy a naked PC so they can install a bootleg copy of Windows on it?

    TOTAL NONSENSE!

    ZDNet, some Windows fanboys, and Gates & Company would have us believe that one out of three computers sold are whiteboxes and that "Linux users" are stealing copies of XP and installing them on those naked PCs. Question: "Why would someone intent on putting a copy of XP on a naked PC, bother with Linux or buy PCs with Linux preinstalled?" They wouldn't. It is Windows, via the Microsoft monopoly, that is preinstalled on the vast majority of PCs, not Linux.

    I suspect that Microsoft is generating those theft numbers out of PR hot air, just like most of their other claims. Why? So ZDNet and other media sources whose bread is buttered by Gates will publish them and then Microsoft can point the politicians to the press as they lobby for bills to curtail FOSS on the free market. They've been convicted of stealing other peoples software so often it doesn't take much of a leap to believe that they are trying to steal the desktop market, of which Linux a 33% share, if one believes Microsoft's PR lies. They can't have it both ways.

    Think every comment has missed ...Anonymous -- 31/07/05

    Think every comment has missed the real point of this Microsoft Press release:

    1. Last week MS announced poor revenue growth for the quarter.

    2. Very soon after, their share price slid more than two percent.

    3. The underlying reason was the market being not happy with MS growing at less than double digit percentages.

    4. The market does not like this slow growth because the market knows that the MS business model requires greater than double digit growth year on year of they are going to survive long term.

    5. Sliding share price is a Bad thing for these guys.....and their company. The ONLY thing that MS could do to pull the share price back is to hint to the market that double digit revenue growth will return... via a means that is difficult to quantify but where anecdotal eveidence may push analysts into believing it might just be true....

    6. The BEST and quickest way to do this was to release piracy figure that give a hint that redemption of fees from these recalcitrants would assist with revenue growth.

    7. Someone sucks their thumb and comes up with a 1/3 ratio of unlicenced to licenced users.

    8. The ratio promoted being difficult to prove is just enough to get analysts off the hook and they start recommending MS as a buy again.

    9. Share price goes up for a while...all is well again.

    ...the really BIG problem is that all this is very short term. Markets and the public in general cann only be fooled some of the time.

    The only thing to do is sit back and wait... MS are doing a fine enough job on their own destruction without anyone else getting involved... :-)

    Given that Bill Gates has beco ...Anonymous -- 31/07/05

    Given that Bill Gates has become a large scale philanthropist of late (meaning he has way too much money and is feeling guilty about it), wouldn't it be better for Microsoft to just drop the price of Windows? That way more people would buy it, it would undercut the pirates, MS sales would go through the roof, and almost everyone would be happy.

    But I suppose innovation is not MS's thing, so this scenario will never ever happen.

    Is Microsoft driving freeloaders to Linux? Chippies -- 09/08/05 (in reply to #120119671)

    I could not agree more. Microsoft has been charging the guts out of poor end users for too many years. It is about time they made the OS a realistic price like it used to once be.

    Given that Bill Gates has beco ...Anonymous -- 31/07/05

    Given that Bill Gates has become a large scale philanthropist of late (meaning he has way too much money and is feeling guilty about it), wouldn't it be better for Microsoft to just drop the price of Windows? That way more people would buy it, it would undercut the pirates, MS sales would go through the roof, and almost everyone would be happy.

    But I suppose innovation is not MS's thing, so this scenario will never ever happen.

    interesting Microsoft has done ...Anonymous -- 31/07/05

    interesting Microsoft has done just that. In Thailand there was a sponsored program wih PC's for the less fortunate. This program drove MS to release a very cheap Windows (kimited the number of concurrent apps). The program was to deliver a linux platform and once Microsoft joined a cheap Windows platform. Microsoft realised that most of the pc's shipped would end up running a pirate Windows platform, so by enabling a cheap copy made $35M in sales they would not have received in the first place. So considering the cheap price, profits for MS and countering piracy it ends up as a win win for all. And yes when they surveyed the number of Linux versus Windows boxes, the majority shipped with Linux ended up with Windows anyhow (around 75%), so I guess showed what is the easiest to use, and most universally accepted...or just pirate copies of office to be installed :-)

    7. Someone sucks their thumb a ...Anonymous -- 31/07/05

    7. Someone sucks their thumb and comes up with a 1/3 ratio of unlicenced to licenced users.

    Actually it is very easy to work out. You poll all the OEM's, white box sellers and system builders, see how many they have shipped and then look at the licence revenue sold...understand a percantage is open source then piracy numbers just become obvious.

    Since DOJ no company can be forced to sell Windows wih a PC so this is realistic now

    I used the pre-installed versi ...Anonymous -- 31/07/05

    I used the pre-installed version of Windows on my laptop, when, in 1996, after visiting a M$ website, they sent me a letter threatening with legal acting for using a pirated copy of Windows.
    I did not like that, and within one hour, I had ordered a Red Hat copy of Linux, which I installed, and I have never looked back.
    Anybody unhappy with M$ can do the same, the option is there.

    I own my copy of XP because it ...Anonymous -- 31/07/05

    I own my copy of XP because it was impossible to get the laptop without it, but I never use it, because after some months running Linux I find Windows awkward, hazardous, unstable, full of technical capability shortcomings as well as usability failings.
    I can do everything in my work and at home with Linux. I have learned a lot installing Linux and this makes me happy. I get help and support from learned people all around the planet.
    I find no reason to be happy with a Windows XP installation.

    One thing for sure, if I have ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    One thing for sure, if I have someone who's new to computers, the first thing I do is to install Linux on their PC!

    Why, cause I know they're not going to be calling me for support for Virus infections or cause their system stopped booting, or worse still, someone emptying out their bank account after they do some net banking.

    I show them how they can burn CDs, write letters, email, play music etc.

    I set them up with Linux friendly hardware like a Gigabyte Mother Board, AMD, etc, I know I won't have troubles with drivers cause I know my hardware recipie is Linux friendly.

    Depending on the individual, either I'll install Xandros or Kanotix, one thing for sure, I can walk away & I know their system will keep working.

    The best thing about setting up a new PC user onto Linux is watching how quickly they learn what a computer is, they become smarter computer users much quicker than if you put them on Window$.

    Appart from the all the stupid problems with Window$, the fact remains, Window$ is designed to keep the users perpetualy tech dumb & dependent, they don't get to know why things work, this is the ca$hcow M$ wants to keep.

    Bad move Microsoft. Piracy al ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    Bad move Microsoft. Piracy also benefits major vendors of proprietary software by enabling its' use by people who are unable or unwilling to pay licensing costs, and therefore reinforce the monopoly. These people, even though they didn't purchase the software, still remain on the Windows standard. That way, hardware and software vendors do not need to offer Linux support. Adobe does not need to release a version of its' Creative Suite for Linux, because most people are using Windows. Take the piracy away from Windows and you have a much weaker monopoly.

    Oh, by the way, Windows is not cheap. After you factor in the usual recurring charge for anti-virus software, the price gets steeper. Also, you make it sound like Windows is more secure than Linux in your article. NOT TRUE. I ditched my Windows machine three years ago and have never looked back. After having to reinstall the whole OS due to a virus, worm, or trojan deleting an important system file several times, I got tired of it. And I had a legitimate copy that came installed on my computer. It did not help with all the Adware that got installed, ensuring a huge amount of pop ups while using the worst web browser ever, IE. And, the system constantly froze and forced me to reboot.

    Since switching to SuSE Linux, I've enjoyed a computer world free of viruses, worms, trojans, and adware. I do not have to pay for Office software or most software I get. I am able to run my computer for months without having to reboot because of an issue. I'm much happier now and not feeling as if I was getting ripped off.

    Now, when I see an ad on TV talking about a subscription service to clean your computer of viruses, I feel sad. Sad for all of those people who do not realize they are being misled. That it is possible to get quality software with much fewer hassles at a great price. Please, do yourself a favor, open your eyes and try Linux.

    Stopping software piracy has b ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    Stopping software piracy has been the Holy Grail of computer companies ever since the first copy of Microsoft's basic was given by someone to a friend. Every attempt to do so has only succeeded in upsetting legitimate customers. Never has piracy been so much as slowed down.

    The best way to deter piracy is to have a good product at a reasonable price. Windows and Office fail on both accounts. Unfortunately, no one is the winner here. The piracy check has already been broken -- using two different mechanisms (both simple to implement). Technological measures have never worked against piracy, in any operating system, on any computer platform. Microsoft will continue to loose money to piracy, and honest people will be forced to suffer the annoying roadblocks Microsoft puts in the way of their using product they paid for. Paid too much for, in my opinion, but that's an argument for another time.

    But, drive people to Linux or Mac? Nope, they'll just find a way around the restrictions and continue to pirate Windows and Office. Welcome to reality.

    Re: One out of three people us ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    Re: One out of three people using Windows have stolen their copy...

    GreyGeek writes:
    "And Microsoft wants me to believe that 133 out of 400 of those people want to buy a naked PC so they can install a bootleg copy of Windows on it?"

    My experience is, that people want to have the 'newest' and
    hippest' available version, which means: If you get something like Windows ME preinstalled and it does not work and there is no way making it work, they switch to a stolen version of XP.

    And that is quite a lot of users in my opinion.

    Martin

    This is probably right A.C. -- 06/08/05 (in reply to #120119684)

    Well, most of those users would be in the developing world, where computers are sold with pirated software pre-installed. Of course, there is no way someone earning $400 per month is going to pay several thousand for Windows.

    I hope they come down hard on ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    I hope they come down hard on Windows piracy, YES PLEASE! PLEASE!! DO IT!! Don't say it & then Not do it!

    That is what I pray for, every single copy of windows & Office, yes!! yes!! YEAH!!!

    Some people may not want to change to LInux, but for sure they'll get their kids or someone else to start using Linux- Especialy when they have to pay for M$ & all it's costly problems!!

    Imagine, you are the bread winner on a budget & you have 2 or 3 computers in the house, now you are up for Office$$ & Windo$$e, you;ll keep your own PC on M$ out of habbit, but the kids, well next time there's a re-install because of a virus or what ever, you'll be sick of the hundreds of $$ & you'll put 'em on linux cause you can't afford the M$ Tax every 3 or 4 months.

    I hope they actualy enforce it & do a public advertising campaign on the wrongs of piracy & scare people out of putting their kids onto Micro$oft dependency.

    Because Windows is a product a ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    Because Windows is a product available and used worldwide there is a big problem with the price due to the effects of varying exchange rates.

    So in many countries the price in the local currency is considered exorbitant and the local people feel as though they are being ripped off.

    However I don't know if Microsoft can do anything about it as people would use the net to buy from the cheapest county.

    Iain, I keep hearing people sq ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    Iain,

    I keep hearing people squealing about "the difficulties of Linux", but after testing 4 different current Distros in as many days, I can say that installing and using Linux is far less difficult than the average Windows install...

    Windows may be stronger in a few areas, but Linux is much superior in others.

    While people may still need to use Windows for a tiny number of proprietary applications (not talking MS Office here), overall, Linux makes a much better desktop for the average user with a lot less hassle. The days of having MS as the only valid choice are well behind us... Get used to it.

    My mum is an average user. She ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    My mum is an average user.
    She's a baby boomer who has never had any formal computer education and had computing thrust upon her in the workplace.
    People like her in the 50-65 age range are the dominant population band in Australia.
    She can't install software or hardware.
    She struggles to create a folder.
    She doesn't know how to use search engines. Ditto spreadsheets.
    She's very good at using a couple of apps that are important in her world.
    But ask her to attach some photos of her grandkids to an email and she'll quickly nip down the chemist to print the photos out and save herself the worry of confronting the computer.
    If my mum confronted a tarball, the multiple desktops of Gnome or the need to locate and install software to make an application work, she'd walk away in about 10 seconds flat in complete bemusement.
    In my own experience of Linux, these things are almost daily necessities.
    So to those of you who reckon "Linux makes a much better desktop for the average user," where's your justification?
    Just how would Linux make it easier for people like my Mum to use a PC?

    It can be Anonymous -- 06/08/05 (in reply to #120119695)

    If the apps your mum uses are available for Linux then a Linux desktop could be perfect for her. Ubuntu is very user friendly and you will not have to run over to her house every week to run spybot to clean up her computer.
    Ubuntu and a broadband are a great combination for many people. A Mac Mini could be an even better solution.

    To Anonymous, Sydney, IT write ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    To Anonymous, Sydney, IT writer..have you tried... out actualy using one of the easy distros like Xandros, Kanotix, Mandrake etc??

    I don't truly believ that you have, otherwise, you'd see that all the nessesary applications are there already installed & ready to be used!

    No Tarball, No command Line, No technical know how required! If your mother wants to email, she can use Thunderbird, write a letter - Open office, Burn a cd - K3B! so on & so on.

    Why the Tarballs??? who's talking tarball?
    When you have actualy had a look at a modern Linux desktop like xandros, you'd see that you can see that there's only one desktop!

    Your mother isn't going to install windows on a PC is she?? No, same thing with Linux, she won't have to install ANYTHING either!

    But the advantage with a linux distro is that you mother won't be calling you with a virus problem that she downloaded of the net through IE, or that she's looking for some application that Windos didn't have already.

    If you're an IT writer, please go & have a look, you have a responability to your readers.

    To Ricardo Mardi. Yes I have u ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    To Ricardo Mardi.
    Yes I have used. I run Ubuntu and I simply can't get as much done in Ubuntu as I can in Windows. It oculdn't find my digital camera. It did not recognis my CD burner. Applications did not auto-install and the open source web sites I went to assumed expert-level users and offered no advice to newbies.
    And don't get me started on the installation process or what a bad Grub and Lilo install once did to a perfectly good hard drive ...
    I spend all day working on a computer. I need it to be stable and predictable.
    Linux has consistently failed to give me that experience.

    I tried Red Hat 6.2 years ago ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    I tried Red Hat 6.2 years ago and didnt have the patience to fiddle with it even though I had used it at a company i temped at.

    Last month I was giving a speech at a copyright seminar that featured Richard Stallman so obviously there were no women and lots of Linux geeks.

    I received a Kubuntu cd which I stored in my laptop bag and decided to give it a run through on an old P2-333.
    I put the cd in, it recognized everything and I was off about 25mins later.

    I told buddies of mine who were curious and they all tried it. So far there have been 6 Kubuntu installs on machines varying from P2's to the latest as well as my IBM laptop.
    All worked right away apart from one which had an onboard ethernet card which wasnt recognized.

    I had people like my dad surf on it for a day doing the regular browser/word processor/DVD watching/MP3 listening/picture cropping with all the software that it came with the KDE package and my dad asked me why we used Windows exactly.
    My 75 year old dad whose been using a cpu since '99 said to me "It looks like Windows (and my sister's Mac) and it took me only a few mins to figure out where everything was"

    So while this may not be the most scientific test, it was a rousing success for Kubuntu.

    True, we dont know how to troubleshoot the damn thing but when I was running Win3.1 for the first time I didnt know either.

    Anyone who is still using the old "Linux is not a friendly install" is either clueless or incompetent. While Im sure that there are some easier and some terrible installs, this aint your daddy's Linux anymore.

    z

    Fair enough, users should pay ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    Fair enough, users should pay for their software. I don't believe that LINUX is an attractive alternative for general users but, if one-third of users currently pirating were to pay their way, would MS drop their prices by one-third?

    Im a proud Linux user, but i a ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    Im a proud Linux user, but i all see why people don,t switch to Linux. I don't try switch my family or friends to Linux cause i know they would be able use it. There people that i know that can't even move a file to floppy, that a simple thing but true Linux not ready for this user, mind you these person be using computer on and off for over 4 years they dont have the time work, kids they know when they buy a webcam or program that work w/ there computer they dont even the OS on there pc so is going. So is M$ going make people switch no is going stop from people copy version of windows no

    In all honesty I would say the ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    In all honesty I would say the potential for linux to grow with converts from the MS platform is unlikely due to the nature that most pirated copies of Windows come from technicians that build clone PC for families that can't afford the entire package.

    The fatal flaw with linux is due to the fact it does feel streamlined like the MS OS. Parts of the OS dont fit in. The lack ease of use. Driver installation for one in a linux desktop is somewhat of a night mare. installing wireless network driver for common wireless cards is a threee step process, down load the windows wrapper, compile into the system then install the windows drivers.

    Most user are not prepared to put that much work into installing a driver like. Or installation of most programes, the RPM manager in alot cases does not appear to do it job. As for Debian and Slackware based distro, people are not prepared to install via command line.

    The other issue with linux is the KDE/GNOME environments. though i will agree tremendous work has gone into then, logical ordering and clear ease of use is not there compare with the MS Explorer. About the only linux distro that I have found to be remotely good for home users is Mandriva and Linspire

    The more likely canidate in the future for people to convert is Apple OSX, and with the Announcement of apple going to the Intel architecture I can see perhaps cheaper Mac's and greater application being converted to the OSX platform

    Other reason go to OSX is the clear simpleness of the whole OS. everything in integrated and flowes very well. Configuring and installing application are even easier than windows (perhaps Linux could learn a thing or two from Apple) The other good trait that OSX has is that its got virtually no spyware, viruses etc. Probally the real pitfall to OSX is its networking, that could do with major upgrade with functionality.

    OSX though simple also provides a commandline shell to which you can use to do the more powerful instructions.

    And lets not forget that OSX is based on UNIX.

    ==========================================

    If linux wants to get into the home desktop market (for simple users, gamers etc) Perhaps they should ditch the KDE/GNOME environment. Start developing a better driver handling. Oh and last but not lease fulling integrate hardware OpenGL into their desktop and develop drivers for the top two Graphics manufactorers ATi/NVIDIA and integrate them

    Apple are blind too think Hackers won't touch ! Anonymous -- 02/08/05 (in reply to #120119706)

    I'm just waiting for Apple too release the OS X for the intel box , but I won't be buying the OS till I check it out first , more like test a pirated copy first on me own machine , hackers will crack that like an egg for an omelet .

    To Anonymous, Sydney, IT write ...Anonymous -- 01/08/05

    To Anonymous, Sydney, IT writer

    Anonymous wrote -"Yes I have used. I run Ubuntu and I simply can't get as much done in Ubuntu as I can in Windows. It oculdn't find my digital camera".

    Ok, if it couldn't find your digital cam, then it won't find your USB flash drive etc.
    I use the distro that will automaticaly detect a USB or camera device & place a desktop link icon.

    I do not push any distro that isn't able to do this simple function.

    In your case, it may be the KDE version that is not responding to your particulard needs.
    You have to look for your cam as a storage device, it is not going to come up as a camera.

    "It did not recognis my CD burner"

    Again, you may have not have set up your CD burner correctly. Did you install Windows on your computer before? well it's the same with Linux.

    You install it & prepare it for your mother so that all she has to do is run it.

    "Applications did not auto-install and the open source web sites I went to assumed expert-level users and offered no advice to newbies."

    Ok, I suggest you use a distro designed for beginners like Xandros, or Kanotix instead, kanotix comes with pretty much all you need, Skype, Firefox, Open office beta, thunderbird, MSN, Yahho, messenger protocols, etc.

    "And don't get me started on the installation process or what a bad Grub and Lilo install once did to a perfectly good hard drive ..."

    Are you able to install Windows? set it up with all the correct drivers? cause you can ruin a good drive with windows just as easily if you are not familiar with the basic concepts of partition setups.

    "I spend all day working on a computer. I need it to be stable and predictable.
    Linux has consistently failed to give me that experience."

    All I'm suggesting is that you start with a nubie friendly distro that is well packaged so that you don't have to go looking for separate apps to install.

    Personaly, I like a distro that will install quickly & I don't have to setup hardware drivers.
    And I found Kanotix is my favourite for the momment.

    I'm writing from my linux box at work. It's stab le & I never have a problem from day one.
    And I don't have to hit the command line to do anything.

    Ummm Anonymous -- 04/08/05 (in reply to #120119711)

    I like to think I know my way around a computer, certainly Windows as I've been using it since the fisrt version, I recently tried Xandros on a spare laptop and gave up for many of the same resons, the so called help sites out there don't help.

    Micro-shafted? Anonymous -- 02/08/05

    More roadblocks, more e-redtape, more blah blah annoying whatever.

    Decades ago, software wasn't all that bad on price. The prices started going up supposedly to cover for lost revenue in piracy. As a business practice this is not immoral, unjust or a bad thing _per se_, but it did unsettle many legitimate customers. Hence the anti-Microsoft (namely since they were the biggest cheese) and piracy revolution flourished.

    Microsoft is such an "anti" these days, being hit with a barrage of complaints and anti-sentiments (and Bill Gates, a cream pie) - this discussion included - that it is almost surprising that Microsoft still operates quite well. Although inferring from the "attitude" portrayed in many of the posts, the majority of people here believe that if you're running Microsoft you're better off dead, to put it very bluntly. A bit short sighted? Maybe.

    So who uses Windows? Let's see: (1) perpetual, no learning, computer-no-brainers, (2) Microsoft religious-style disciples, (3) suckers (me included) that have to use it for one reason or another. Times Square, NY, blue screen error? Case in point.

    For business only, I would go for a *nix style system, probably an Apple. But, yes I am a student, and I need to use MS for a number of reasons; 1 is gaming (not all for *nix available), 2 is for casual support, 3 is for work experience specialist applications which (>_<) have to run on Windows, to name a few. (Although I'm guessing most of you can now offer me a "Windows Simulator" or VPC?)

    I would like to go to *nix one day, especially if corporates could start smelling the roses and writing code platform-independent rather than writing plainly for Windows. (I work in engineering and it's a travesty to see so many specialist applications being run on Windows rather than *nix where resources are better used.)

    BTW I've used Win XP Pro for close to 18 mo now (SP2 for at least 10) - approximately 4 - 6 hours per day, and I have not had one blue screen error which I did not cause (ie. I know how to cause blue screen errors but I haven't had any other ones.) Am I lucky or something?

    Micro-shafted? Anonymous -- 02/08/05 (in reply to #120119732)

    Oh, I forgot to add. For all those that think Linux too hard to use, look again. There are plenty of distros out there that are very friendly. It's almost like having Windows without being Micro-shafted.

    Those that don't like to do a lot of work should look for as many pre-installed apps as possible.

    I think consulting an expert is an easy way to start. You can try some of the distros on this discussion thread (like Xandros, which looks good.)

    Can someone recommend how newbs start at Linux for the very first time? (Let alone picking a distro?)

    Status Quo dommy -- 02/08/05

    Nothing will happen, those in the know will get around the problem - there is a work around already, those less fortunate will do without as their basic needs are already met

    Validation for Update doesn't work Anonymous -- 02/08/05

    I have used windows xp since it first came out have not brought the OS for various reason , but this update validation check is a joke , given that the validation checking was cracked in less than 24hrs once in service , so now I can still update , with me pirated version of XP and not bat an eyelid. what every MS does the hackers are one step behind or forward , either way it's a win win for me.

    Emphatically not vorgo the strange -- 04/08/05

    I think the idea that Microsoft's proposal of a check mechanism will not drive people away. The idea of it doing so seems to be based on the assumption the reason they use Windows is because they can get it for free.

    Firstly the people who unknowingly run ripped versions of Windows, supplied on their bought PC for example, will be given a few options to rectify this - one of which seems to be a replacement version of Windows for free once they've supplied the retailers details. I believe this is one of the markets MS is trying to tackle.

    As for people knowingly using non legitimate version, well that's a different matter. However it is really a case of the net closing. Regardless of your views on closed source proprietary software, this is what Windows actually is. The company who make it have every right to charge for it. Why would this group of users run to Linux? They use Windows presumably because it is their favored OS, even though Linux is available for free. In short the motivation to do so won't change even with a new security/enforcement policy.

    I reckon you will find over time people will either crack it, or give up and just buy the OS. It will probably retail for about $150 which is hardly a king's ransom. It may be no bad thing either. The very group who are most likely to appropriate cracked versions of Windows are probably reasonably above average in terms of technical ability. Given that it is basically stolen software they are less likely to report bugs or contact MS with requests for future features etc. If they're forced to pay for it I suspect they will be more critical, which in the long run is good news in terms of shaping windows into something more people will like and use.

    Yet another reason... Stephen Kuhn -- 05/08/05

    This gives the public yet another reason to explore other OS's and other means by which to live in the computing world. It doesn't matter that the code has been cracked, even - but more a matter that Microsoft is continually showing the public that it is out for money - and more money - and constantly costing the end user SOME kind of money. It's too bad they're stuck into this mindset as people like myself (amongst others) are constantly educating the user base about Microsoft and how they operate.

    Not sure I agree Vorgo the strange -- 05/08/05 (in reply to #120119842)

    As much as I would like to believe this, I can't see it happening. Exploring other OSs doesn't seem to be a big factor for most. As much as some individuals, like yourself, take care to try and educate and inform, I believe this is destined to failure.

    Linux's main "enemy" is not really other operating systems, but rather capitalism. I am not a communist by any stretch, but the capitalist model, ultimately ending in monopoly, is the dominant one.

    In this sense Linux's great strength, choice and freedom, goes against people's perceptions. I believe people take some comfort in paying money for stuff, as it implies some kind of guarantee, whether true or not. This effect is amplified by the confusion that the array of distro's in Linux offers. It doesn't seem coherent or organised.

    Since many PCs come pre-installed with Windows the effort is primarily one of getting people to install Linux on the PC they already own. This has to overcome a myriad of difficulties itself, and cannot hope to succeed without a serious attempt at large-scale education. That education needs to shift people's perceptions about what "free" software is.

    Also I believe many overestimate people's unwillingness to pay for software. Many expect to pay, and are distrustful of free software. The idea that people are put off by Microsoft's drive to make money is wrong in my view. It can be a source of comfort because people believe they have some kind of comeback if it all goes wrong, whether true or not. In short, aggressive capitalist companies are fairly predictable, and give the impression that they have to listen to their consumers, otherwise they wouldn't make money. Although this is questionable it is a useful marketing ploy (if we make crap stuff no-one would buy it) that free software lacks.

    no not really Anonymous -- 05/08/05

    cus you just paste this in the address bar and press enter before you click express or custome and it switches it off.

    javascript:void(window.g_sDisableWGACheck='all')

    Be one with Microshaft Anonymous -- 05/08/05

    I think that certain countries that aren't allowed to get US products due to trade pressures will always look to other ways to get the hottest products out there. And often turn to Linux as an alternative to spending the staggering fees to obtain and then maintain Microshaft's products.

    I really think that Microshaft should rethink the cost of their software, intially they said that the cost was justified based on how many copies where pirated. But I don't think it would hurt their position any to drop the cost of a OS by 100 dollars. Certainly that would go a long way to countries that aren't trading in US currency.

    I brought Windows... Anonymous -- 09/08/05

    I was running an illegal copy of Windows until recently, and when the WGA technology came out I had to weigh up my options. I looked at linux but I don't know anything about it, and its not as intuitive as windows. I was going to go back to the Mac, what with Tiger being so shiny and all, but its pretty difficult to sell a second hand PC with no OS, and changing even to a mac mini would have cost me 800 bucks or so that I don't have lying around. Luckily I managed to get an OEM copy through my local dealer for the PC i brought off him a few months ago, still, for 200 bucks or so I still feel like I'm paying out the arse for something that is basically worthless. Better than the 475 that M$ would like you to pay though... all I'm saying is that Vista better be pretty bloody good or my next PC will most likely be a Mac. I've had it with Windows, thankyou M$. Unless you guys can do something gee wizz with vista, which I seriously doubt considering that every innovation you ever came up with was stolen from someone else. And I'm sick of bleeding updates. Interestingly, M$, not everyone has access to broadband! I hate Telstra.

    This article is as much a joke as the security check Anonymous -- 09/08/05

    When you get to http://update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us , where you have to choose between 'Express' and 'Custom' buttons, before pressing the desired button, paste:
    javascript:void(window.g_sDisableWGACheck='all')
    in the address bar and press enter.

    If it has been installed in IE by admins or some other software, perform this:
    * Tools
    * Manage Add-Ons...
    * In either 'Add-ons currently loaded in Internet Explorer' or 'Add-ons that have been used by Internet Explorer'
    * Locate and select "Windows Genuine Advantage"
    * Then select the 'Disable' radio button
    * OK

    or just use firefox and download the patches you need.

    Go Linux.......... Anonymous -- 15/08/05

    I run a home network of 6 PC's. All have XP Home, or Pro (legally). And as fast as I can get SUSE or Xandros to work with all our games the better. Good on the Linux teams out there as well as Cedega. Linux has everything we need in the office department, its more stable and consistant as well as the minimal cost of changeover. Anyone want some XP CD coasters.

    the man did the work and diserves his pay Anonymous -- 16/08/05

    i honestly hate hearing people rant about how the hate the richest man in the world. I like both windows and linux (although i prefer solaris as a alternative). i dont look at the people who make it i look at the product. Windows is a good product and so is some distros of linux. it depends on hw your gunna use it. you get a good anti-virus and windows is fine.

    the man did the work and diserves his pay Anonymous -- 16/08/05

    i honestly hate hearing people rant about how the hate the richest man in the world. I like both windows and linux (although i prefer solaris as a alternative). i dont look at the people who make it i look at the product. Windows is a good product and so is some distros of linux. it depends on hw your gunna use it. you get a good anti-virus and windows is fine.

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