End to Win98 support may boost desktop Linux

From today, Microsoft will no longer issue security updates or provide support for Windows 98 and Windows ME, which could lead users to trying alternative operating systems such as Linux.

Eight years after launching Windows 98, Microsoft will finally wash its hands of updating and plugging security gaps in its ageing operating system. The software giant originally planned to pull the plug in January 2004 but decided to extend support because of the increasing threat from Linux.

This time round, Microsoft is hoping that the remaining users of Windows 98 and Windows ME will upgrade to Windows XP, according to Peter Watson, chief security advisor, Microsoft Australia.

"Microsoft works closely with leading retailers to undertake promotions such as upgrade discounts to encourage users to upgrade to Windows XP," Watson told ZDNet Australia. "Just last month, you may have seen the price promotion activity Microsoft conducted with Harvey Norman, one of the largest computer software retailers in the country, to encourage Windows XP upgrades."

Analyst firms estimate that there are still between 50 million and 70 million computers running either Windows 95, 98 or ME.

Hardest hit by the cancellation of support will be home users and schools, according to Michael Silver, research vice president of client platforms at research group Gartner, who agrees that support has been extended to fight off the threat from Linux.

"Consumers and schools will be most affected by this announcement because they will no longer get security fixes," Silver told ZDNet Australia. "I suspect that Microsoft's original extension of the Windows 98 support date a couple of years ago was, in part, to make sure Linux was not brought in to replace these systems."

Silver believes that as far as the overall security landscape goes, millions of unsupported PCs is a "cause for concern". In addition, he said Microsoft may be pressured into creating a fix if there is a serious virus outbreak.

"Microsoft has not fixed every hole in Win9x, but I'm not sure they've been attacked, either. If Microsoft sees a Win9x attack in the wild in the next few months, we would not be surprised if they issued a fix -- wide scale outages are not good for their customers or for Microsoft -- but since there is no automatic update, users may not be able to get the fix in time," said Silver.

Silver still believes that some users may decide to switch to Linux instead of upgrading to XP but he said existing applications that require Windows are likely to stop a mass migration.

"School PCs are likely more at risk. Win9x PCs used regularly on the Internet need up to date security software. Some of these users -- companies, schools and governments -- may switch to Linux or Mac, but application issues often makes that an expensive option," said Silver.

Microsoft's Watson said consumers have the choice to use any version of Windows and dismissed any suggestion that Microsoft has a responsibility to secure older versions of its software.

"This issue is not unique to the IT Industry. For example, there are many people on the road who choose to drive the latest cars with the latest safety features such as ABS brakes and air-bags, but at the same time, there are many others who are happy driving their cars which may not have these features.

"It is not the 'responsibility' of automotive manufacturers to have their customers acquire the latest technology. This is the same issue for makers of mobile phones, washing machines, dishwashers, TVs fridges, radios, and so on," said Watson.

However, Watson said Microsoft would try to "encourage" users of Win9x systems to upgrade to XP.

"Microsoft encourages users to upgrade to Windows XP and provides information which helps educate users on the benefits of upgrading, but it is ultimately the customer's choice," he added.

Gartner's Silver said that although there are still millions of Windows 9x users, compared to alternative operating system vendors, Microsoft's support schedules are still "better than most".

"Most software vendors and hardware vendors are no longer developing Win9x drivers for their new products -- and have not been for some time now. Further, most free Linux distributions are supported for a year, some for two. Microsoft has supported Win98 for 8 years, 98SE for 7 years, and Windows ME for 6 years.

"These do not meet Microsoft's current enterprise standard of 10 years -- they shipped before the 10 year policy -- but they're better than most," added Silver.

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  1. Windows 98 and Linux John -- 11/07/06

    So are you equating Windows 98 with the existing level of technology available in the Linux platform. I had suspected it to be true, tested and validated your thoughts also, thanks very much

    1. What?! Anonymous -- 11/07/06

      Linux is easily on par with the best Microsoft has to offer, and then some. Comparing a current Linux distro with Windows 98 is like saying that the space shuttle is no better than the airplane the Wright brothers flew.

    2. OK I'LL BITE ... fatcop -- 11/07/06

      Heh heh ... Its not often you get a Windows fanboy flamebait comment like yours :)

      Well I use Windows XP on a modern PC as my main home computer, and I can tell you the ONLY reason I don't switch to Linux is my horrible (yet delightful :) addiction to PC gaming. Big title games like BF2 are still Windows (DirectX) only :(
      And since I am a fully qualified geek I can deal with most that Windows throws at me. Actually I lie, there are 2 another reasons why I use XP. 1. So that I can support my friends and family who insist on using Windows. Yep just so I can see what they see. 2. Cause I am a software developer developing Windows apps I need to work at home sometimes and have to replicate work environment there.

      I even remember all those years ago when I could finally dump Windows 98 for XP. XP it THE best Windows OS no doubt.
      Mac's in my opinion are beautiful things but on-the-road costs (adding *accessories* and software packages) make it prohibitive for average home users (and places like schools). PC hardware is cheap, varied and upgradable.

      Linux has come along way and some of distributions of linux have reached the giddy heights of fully featured stable desktops. Yes certainly in the past, and for some distros (of the hundreds out there) the recent past, they were lacking in user friendliness for your average non-geek. But you always got reliability and security from linux. Windows 98 was a huge improvement on 95, but there were still huge lockups and crashes. Maybe more due to the applications than that OS.

      For those who don't know http://distrowatch.com/ is where you can see all the linux distros. Ubuntu, MEPIS and SUSE are just a few of the more main stream popular ones. Ubuntu seems to considered one of the simplest and most friendly to laptops and modern systems.

      Which brings me to the biggest complaint against linux. Hardware compatibility. Yes Windows excels here because most hardware vendors pander to Microsoft's enticements or are reluctant to open up their driver source code to the public, which is some eyes is protecting your biz and others, counter productive. In most cases the Linux world has very dedicated people often reverse engineering drivers so your latest TV capture card will work. A lot more hardware vendors are directly providing their drivers for linux these days, probably because they see the writing on the wall, or out of pure nagging from a ever growing community. But still yes there are some pitfalls, like for graphics cards its better to stick with Nvidia over ATI for linux, due to drivers. Best to check known compatibility lists of some wireless cards or even printers. BUT, for non-geeks these sort of things should be covered/recommended by the retail shop you buy your computer at. Its just the most retail shops still flog Windows cause of the kickbacks and deals, without taking time out to consider the kind of end-user experience (ie. no adware/viruses) that an alterative could offer.

      Contrary to your claim, nearly all linux distros have access to top quality software applications that cover most needs. For your average home user, linux has everything covered with superb products. Equivalent to MS Office (text editing, spreadsheet, Database), Email, browsing, chat, play/recording voice/music, movie play/record, ripping CD/DVD, photo/graphics/3d editing, video editing, p2p file transfer. You name it really. At most of it excellent, free and usually ALL comes ready to use WITH the linux CD/DVD. Unlike Windows where you HAVE to not only purchase bits n pieces but install them yourself individually.

      Graphic professionals often complain that the BIG apps aren't there, namely Adobe products suite for graphics/video.
      Tho there's no doubte some features (like CYMK) have been lacking for pros in linux equivalents like Gimp, Inkscape and Blender, alot of the debate falls into the "its industry standard" and "i've spent years learning this interface already" categories. A valid poi

    3. OK I'LL BITE (cont...) fatcop -- 11/07/06

      (continuation of my above post .. got cut off :)

      A valid point of view, but this should not discourage new users or non/semi-professionals using these products with excellent features often matching pro products or coming close (read: omitting features 90% of users never even use).

      Personally I think Linux should be THE OS for schools for very obvious reasons in my opinion. Its cheap/free and tied to an open software community rather than a commercial vendor. A school would have an on hand techie (or techie deptartment) to do any installations - needed for Windows anyway. Stability and security is truely better than windows. Adware and Virus's that cripple/kill a Windows PC (used by many students) will be a thing of the past. Any bollocks about bulk Windows machines being harder to administer is talk of a lazy Windows Admin. No offence to the majority of good ones out there. Especially since once things are setup its smooth sailing, rather than the Windows way, which is quick(ish) install and gradually watch your PC slow down, become infected and die. Especially in a multiuser environment. Reinstall.

      I've recall reading something about Windows having better or the only educational software. I can't say either way, but I find it hard to believe. But more to the point, most uses of PC's at schools are for surfing the net, email and writing documents. If they are used by the more technical classes (eg. computer sciences), we'll in my computer science course (late 80's) we were taught the unix OS from the inside out as a way of learning about computers and operating systems. So not only is it a free stable fully featured OS for most users, its an educational workhorse.

      Well sorry to drag on and tho I seem to have turned it to a pro-linux advertisement, but the article is about the migration of Windows 98 hanger-on'ers to the next/new OS, and I think linux deserves more consideration (and vendor support) in the face of the Microsoft marketing leviathan. Who says you gotta falk out hundreds of dollars just for the next MS Operating System (Vista, or XP now and THEN Vista, then ... :)

      I'd like to add that I gratefully use a *free* Anti-virus program for my Windows XP (some are Avast, BitDefender and AVG .. in order of my preference) as I think *paying* for Anti-virus is paramount to extortion and no incentive to industry to come up with better solutions to solve the spam/adware/virus epidemic. Case in point, Microsoft's venture into selling an antivirus product for their own OS.

    4. Interesting John -- 11/07/06

      You did actually say Linux and applications are on a par with the best of Windows, so proving my point I suspect as Open Office equates to Office 97, hence why Windows 98 equates in the OS space too. If Microsoft didn't lead this space the followers would have nothing to target when reverse engineering the features and functions they incorporate today.

    5. Huh? Anonymous -- 12/07/06

      I don't get your logic here...so you're saying that Office 97 is the best Microsoft has to offer? Also, Microsoft hasn't "led the way" in anything for awhile...almost everything in Vista is already available on Mac OS X or Linux.

    6. No quite John -- 12/07/06

      I said Open Office 2.x has the best Office 97 had to offer

    7. OpenOffice Rex Alfie Lee -- 15/07/06

      It's been said that only 5% of users utilise the topend extras avilable in Microsoft's Office. That means that averything 95% of Office's users need is available in OpenOffice & then some. I wouldn't waste my time with Office & its costs, firstly because I'd be supporting Microsoft & secondly because I believe in Open Source.

      As far as the rest of the operating system is concerned, the only reason I don't only use Windows is because of hardware reliance. Mostly my hardware works but printer/fax/copier is a pain & vidcam is a problem too. My view of games is that there is more than I'd ever require within each Linux version. I don't play anyway.

      I run both on one disk using GRUB & SuSE 10. Wow! This OS craps on Windows. There is no comparison. Windows is so far behind it isn't funny. It's a pity the hardware manufacturers haven't worked out that making there hardware drivers for Linux as well would make them more saleable.

      Makes them the fools really!

  2. Security flaws Anonymous -- 11/07/06

    Does Peter Watson think we are all retarded. Fixing security flaws is not the equivalent of an automotive upgrade it's the equivalent of a RECALL. You know, when a vehicle is found to be deficient and must be repaired at the manufacturer's expense. What's next, putting warning labels on their software a la tobacco to avoid responsibility?

    1. But when does it stop? Anonymous -- 11/07/06

      Is Ford required to issue recalls for cars they manufacturered in 1972? No they aren't, because there is a limit to the liability. And there is no way you will get the manufacturer of anything to support something that is eight years old, just try calling the manufacturer of your motherboard, and tell them you have found a manufacturer defect, see if they fix it.

    2. Pushing analogies too far Anonymous -- 12/07/06

      Bits don't wear out over time. The reason a 1972 car isn't subject to recall is because of normal product wear and tear.

      Product liability laws have varying statutes of limitations on them.

      I would suspect that a valid lawsuit could probably be made requiring MS to provide a free upgrade to XP for Win98 users, if you could prove win98 was a defective product due to manufacturer negligence.

    3. Concerning returns & culpability Rex Alfie Lee -- 15/07/06

      Microsoft do not warrant their software & most other software makers don't either.

    4. Basic reading skills required Anonymous -- 22/07/06

      I think you need to read what was written not what you think was written. The analogy was about new features not upgrades.

  3. I agree with the comparison to washers and dryers Anonymous -- 11/07/06

    It is impossible for Microsoft to continue supporting Windows 98, I can't believe that they held on as long as they did, and I doubt that the choice to continue support from 2004 to today had as much to do with Linux as it did with saving corporate image in the face of public concern over aging hardware and viruses/junkware.

    To suggest that this event will spur any move toward Linux is a pretty big stretch, schools and home users might be more apt to move toward upgrading their hardware and software than to Linux.

    The learning curve is still to great, for anyone that doesn't have a strong desire to do something different, for them to switch to Linux. People can go on and on about how schools have techies that are responsible for fixing their PCs, etc. but that comes from poor understanding of what exactly it takes to setup, administer and use Linux from the perspective of the uninitiated. Asking an entire generation of teachers to suddenly use a different product is a struggle at best, a revolution at worst.

    In the end I think what you will end up seeing is people continuing to use Windows 98, or spending the money to buy new machines slowly but surely.

    Why is it that every time Microsoft farts the Linux Zealots are there to sniff the fumes?

    1. Please Kiko Jones -- 12/07/06

      "In the end I think what you will end up seeing is people continuing to use Windows 98, or spending the money to buy new machines slowly but surely. "

      And in X years when XP support is dropped they will find themselves in the same position. The best alternative is to ditch Windows altogether and all the headaches it entails. The hardest thing to do in Linux is setting it up, after that it just keeps working unlike all versions of Windows where something breaks due to regular use.

      "Why is it that every time Microsoft farts the Linux Zealots are there to sniff the fumes?"

      Because thanks to the "Linux Zealots" there is an alternative to the shoddy products imposed by M$ on the public.

    2. History John -- 12/07/06

      If we all remember our history. Microsoft has pretty much had one competitor or another every step of the way since its inception. So why does the world then adopt their software if it is so poor and there have always been obvious choices that could be made...people kept making the same choice and the competitors have all turned to dust each time. Apple is the exception and has nearly turned to dust a few times until it cloned devices into the ipod

  4. Windows 98, 98SE and ME loose support Anonymous -- 12/07/06

    I believe that these are ancient systems that MSFT has gone over and beyond to support.
    Honestly! I believe that those systems are too old and should not be used anymore. On the other hand, we, the consumers, did pay for it and it should be supported as long as users are using it in a considerable amount.

    I know it's a contradiction, but it's true.

    Linux being accepted as replacement for windows 98, 98SE or ME would be for the best.
    I have to say that even if a computer got installed with DSL it would be better than the windows installed previously. Not that there is anything wrong with DSL, it's just small and fast, thus appropriate.

    I still think linux has yet to make a vital point for consumers, which is allowing them to know about it.
    Most consumers don't know what linux is or have barely even heard the word.

    Windows came with their computers and most IT people where I live don't know about linux at all. Macs have just recently been seen in the country when Fnac (a largelly known store, widelly available) started selling them.

    Linux is known to a handfull of people, out of which maybe 100 out of 10 million can be support technicians.
    If that much.

    I've used Ubuntu 6.06, and it's the best OS I have ever used.
    Compare it to Windows XP SP2 and it's better.

    There are things an OS can't really be blamed for, like hardware support, or applications not existing.
    Linux still has little or no hardware support from vendors, so a specialized eye is needed to check who can change to linux easily.
    Aplications are there for most users, and as a home user I have no problems with any of them. I've yet to find myself lacking one.

    Many users are discouraged because of all the rumours linux has, and ignorance that goes around about it.

    I have found that if you don't have someone to fix things for you, then you have to do it yourself. Linux usually falls into this category.

    The people who create linux and make it better, are also those who do not seek to make it more user friendly to new comers. Ubuntu has broken many of these barriers.

  5. Support Anonymous -- 12/07/06

    Sure, just gloss over the fact the the currently most popular desktop Linux distro, Ubuntu, is supporting the current version for five years.

    1. Support John -- 12/07/06

      Such a short time. Microsoft has supported Win 98 for 8 years, and its standard approach is 5 years main stream, 2 years extended and paid for 2 years, which is significantly longer than Ubuntu

    2. support FUD Anonymous -- 12/07/06

      It is misleading to compare 'support time' between these operating systems - surely nobody would use say Red Hat 5.1 in the wild any more?

      GNU/Linux develops quickly, and it is highly misleading to suggest that it won't be supported after a certain period - even talking about the support times of different distributions is tacitly accepting this inaccuracy. Support for GNU/Linux isn't centralised, and is based upon open, publicly available information. Support for GNU/Linux is by and large free, 'as in freedom', and there are lots of Linux people out there who like nothing more that to share solutions to newcomer's problem, after all, it is a hands-on operating system. And support is for applications, and they are seperate from the kernel and operating system components, and most of these applications are represented across varying distributions.

      And it is also inaccurate to refer to GNU/Linux as one discreet entity, as parts of it are better supported than others. It is like criticising Winders 95 because one of its many applications has been discontinued and the company responsible for it bankrupt and no longer supporting it, so therefore the whole OS must be tainted because of the support status of one application. This is cleary silly.

      And then there are bug fixes. Does this constitue support? Bug fixes for mainstream free software are released shortly after the bugs are fixed, often by the people who made the software themselves. No waiting one business week.

      Maybe people are scared to try something new ... GNU/Linux isn't anything new (I've been using it for ten years, hey, look ma, no support!) any more but some people still seem prejudiced against it.
      Sapere Aude ...

  6. Linux > Mac Robert Pritchett -- 12/07/06

    Most of our local Linux User Group, of which I am a member, have all moved to Macs because they can run/play with Linux on their Macs. Many have also discovered Mac OS X is a better Linux.

    Oh and Mactels run many other OSes when using Parallels on the Mac, so why not have the best of all computer-worlds by using a box that now is essentially OS-agnostic?

    Our review of Parallels is located in the July issue of macCompanion at http://www.maccompanion.com

    Free from malware... for now.

    1. MAC OS John -- 12/07/06

      MAC OS is not Linux and will never be. Linus would not get on his knees to Steve so he went elsewhere for his core OS

      MAC is not a another linux half breed

  7. No way is it like ABS brakes. Anonymous -- 12/07/06

    You can't make the comparison. You're car will not be open for outright mechanical failure for the only reason that you did not get one with ABS brakes. Yes, time and miles will cause this, but not the fact that you didn't get the latest version. How absurd to even make that comparison.

  8. Yeah Right Anonymous -- 12/07/06

    Yeah Right, Windows users are a lazy bunch. They will use that Win98 box until it dies then go out and buy a new one with XP or Vista.

  9. You're kidding, right? Anonymous -- 12/07/06

    The reason that many of the open source programs mimick what M$ and others do is for compatibility. That doesn't mean that they don't add additional features on top of what is already there. Look at the entire picture, not your contrived version of reality.

  10. 2 years support on Linux Anonymous -- 12/07/06

    Why does this article make this sound like a bad thing? Who cares? 2 years later, you install a new version of Linux. It's free, WhyTF not?

    "[10 years] better than most."

    When MS starts giving Windows away for free, noone will care if it's supported for 10 years or 2.

    Sure, people who manage a large host of machines would hate to have to upgrade OS's every other year. I have managed 3000 computers myself. But windows and linux both have tools to do this. The difference is licensing. If you just have one license to worry about (GNU) instead of millions, system management woes drop through the floor.

    2 years support on free is still infinitely better than 10 years support on expensive.

  11. Whatever... Anonymous -- 12/07/06

    First off, the people still running this antiquated OS will know no different, as they will just stop recieving updates via windows update. Second off, they probably don't use windows update. Third off, they wouldn't know what linux is. Fourth off, if they run into a problem they'll walk in to a best buy or circuit city and be told its cheaper to buy a new computer than to spend the money upgrading that piece of crap thats running 98 or ME to current specs for XP. So thats what they'll do buy a bright and shinny POS Dell or eMachines, and play solitaire until they either die or buy a virus scanner, and in the meantime Linux will die its predestined fait as a wannabe Unix for fags who don't want to pay M$ for the products that would suit thier needs because its just more geek and against the grain to use the underdog. BSD is a far better product than linux. Hell even Unix Services for Windows is more POSIX compliant than linux. [EOF] (end of flame)

    1. Services for Unix John -- 12/07/06

      will be built into longhorn server, so does that mean Windows at its core will be more unix than linux can ever hope to achieve. Now that really does give me a laugh, especially as the destination for any cluey Unix admin will be a windows box and not a half breed unix called linux

    2. Noticing your emotive language Anonymous -- 12/07/06

      I can't help but notice your emotive language! Snigger!

      Have you ever used GNU/Linux or do you just think its crap because you can't figure out how to use xmms or xzgv?

    3. Used John -- 13/07/06

      I have used and administered at the enterprise level:

      System 38's
      System 36's
      VMS
      SCO Xenix
      Tru64
      DEC Unix
      Red Hat
      Suse
      Windows Server
      Pick
      Primos.

      I think I have seen enough to make valid judgements over the past 20 years

    4. Judgements Anonymous -- 13/07/06

      Let's see: I could judge your ability to make valid judgements based on this list of yours -- but I don't have any idea if the list is at all true....

      Or I could judge your ability to make valid judgements on the basis of the judgements you've shared in this thread.

      I'll take option 2. Which is why I'm not much impressed.

      I've used, administered, and developed on Pick, AS400, DOS, NCR Unix, HP/UX, AIX, Win 98/ME/2K/XP, among others. It's always a pleasure to get back to working with Linux, where there's almost always a program or library to help you accomplish what you're trying to do.

      The one thing I can say for sure is that EVERY platform has its faults and frustrations. Microsoft has been steadily improving Windows faults. It's nowhere near as bad as it used to be. Windows 95 was better than 3.1, Win 98 better than 95, Win ME -- well, that was a step backwards. Windows NT 4 was slicker than Win NT 3.5, but less stable. Win 2K finally made up that ground, Win XP is better.

      But while MS "shows improvement", Linux is advancing by leaps and bounds. Did you try Linux 3 years ago and say, No thanks? Try it again. You just might be amazed!

    5. Two way street John -- 13/07/06

      things always flow two ways here.

      I do agree, there is no OS that has been immune to issues etc, why because humans write and develop them.

      If I am honest the years I spent on VMS were probably the best as DEC was so far ahead of its competitors, look at the clustering offerings they had, then compare that to the Unix and Windows very poor cousins. I worked in an environment with an 18 node cluster and it was impressive to behold and work on, once alpha released in 1992 it was just huge. Nobody has yet come up with equivalent capabilities or alternatives

  12. What?! Anonymous -- 12/07/06

    I expected ZDnet to have a better grip on reality than this. Anyone that is still using 98 or *shudder* ME has no clue what Linux is and would be terrified if they tried to use it. Mass exodux from 98 to Linux? At least I got a good laugh today.

  13. They'll never switch Anonymous -- 12/07/06

    If someone is dumb enough to still be using Windows 98 or ME, then they probably would not know hot to operate a Linux Machine

    1. In some cases, Anonymous -- 23/07/06

      mine included, it is not a matter of DUMBness, but of POORness!

    2. they'll never switch. Anonymous -- 06/08/06

      hot is hot,you know it means it is warmer than warm. now the word "how" means: in what way,so if i'm dumb for using windows98,then you must be an idiot for using xp. I don't need some a-- hole keeping track of me.for sure not m.s.

    3. it's not IQ related, but hardware related. Why throw away something that works? Kenneth Hansteen -- 04/01/07

      I don't agree on the "dumbness" as an answer as to why some still use win 9X. It's more of a hardware situation, some still have systems running ONLY on win 9X, like CAM/CAM systems etc. In alot of these instances, it's not just a matter of upgrading the pc hardware and windows itself; you also would need to upgrade the $20 000 application AND the $200 000 production equipment!!

      The solution for most of these instances seems to be to go off-line, which can be an issue where you have networked production planning.

      Personally, I've run ALL windows platforms, from windows 1.0, 2.0, 3.1, 3.11, 3.51, NT4.0, win 95, 98, ME, win 2000, XP, and now Vista and different LINUX distros. I'm an enthusiast, so I like to keep my old hardware running along with the newest hardware.

      Although I use my workstation for power hungry tasks, I still have this old 266Mhz laptop who works just fine for surfing the web, writing and reading documents from the sofa or whereever. Sure I could buy a new laptop, but the power this pc have is sufficient for the tasks it's used for. Win XP would KILL the performance of such old equipment, especially with only 32 megs or RAM. Additionly, the ethernet card is NOT supported by XP.

      My solution; Remote desktop + Remote WEB desktop to use the old laptop as a terminal server. THen i can safely use email programs, and run antivirus on the terminal server. I also browse the web through the terminal. Additionly if one gets rid of IE6, and outlook express, use a firewall, and regular online virus scanning, you could still use WIN 9X for a fair amount of time without problems.

      Personally I find the fast startup and small memory footprint of 9X based OS's to be invaluable on old non powerful hardware. XP just wouldn't work, I've tried, and it's really a matter of using things as-is, or to scrap it alltogether. I'll stick with trying to make it work a few more years, maybe it'll make me switch to linux completely in the future, who knows.

  14. Auto Maintenance vs Software Maintenance Anonymous -- 12/07/06

    The two are not the same. Just because auto manufacturers stop issuing "patches" for flaws in cars does not mean owners are left hanging without a way to obtain service and support. Post-warrantee service is a major industry.

    There are many "third-party support" providers for car owners. The only option for Windows users, however, is Microsoft. Who else can change the oil, replace the brake pads, or do a tune-up? When "working parts" "wear out", there is no one to give Windows users the Midas touch except Microsoft. And when the warrantee expires... the only option is to replace the "vehicle".

  15. catchup my asp fatcop -- 12/07/06

    Well to some comments (John's in particular), products like Open Office do have to play catch up in some sense. But in terms of interface/features its similar by "design" to lower the barrier of entry for any MS Office users. If you read the reviews of people who have invested their time to use OOO and do feature comparisons, OOO out performs recent MS Office in many areas.

    The marketing world is about being first there or being the loudest. In user world its about doing it right.
    Do you know how many trials of Windows FTP programs (ftp !! how old is that) I went thru to find a good looking, well featured stable one, which turned out to be opensource (FileZilla).

    But your general philosophy of everyone is playing catchup to Microsoft products is somewhat misguided.
    Yeah alot of the killer apps are products for Windows but developed by 3rd parties who chose Windows because it got itself mainstream.
    The only killer MS app besides Office that comes to mind is MSDEV, its only for developing Windows software FOR Windows. Talk about self serving :)
    Similarly most 3rd party games are for Windows cause DirectX is mainstream.

    But these 3rd parties still have little incentive to port their apps to other operating systems like Linux or BSD (and Mac to a lesser degree) since the user base is smaller. Alot (like Adobe) offer to Mac's because again that is where their user base is. Linux has struggled to gain market share on Desktop up until now. But it is gaining for many good reasons (which have been discussed in every forum on this planet) and when it reaches enough critical mass those applications will be ported. Then come the flurry of drivers. Then everybody is happy, except Microsoft, cause they lose easy money. They will never port apps or encourage it in any way, because they are trying to sell their OS exclusively.

    This discussion is not about X beats Y. Its about the not-well-off/non-tech/stubborn/lazy people who have have clung onto their old PC running the most appropriate/affordable user friendly OS (win98SE) and apps of their time wondering what to do next.

    There are more choices now and the sales front lines of techville are still only singing the MS tune because that is where the money is for them, for now.

    But years of instability, virus infestation, adware and overpriced software are taking its toll. Especially for those frustrated users who only use a computer for browsing and email. People will gradually know they can save the money they spend on the OS + Antivirus + common-place apps, and instead buy better hardware, faster internet connection, maybe subscribe to a few more good web services (to promote future growth in the net service paradigm which MS is trying to get into).

    Its a choice end users should be more informed about. Its their choice but often they don't get to make it cause vendor-X won't sell a PC without Windows pre-installed.

  16. Windows 98, 98 SE + ME *still* supported with free updates Anonymous -- 13/07/06

    Actually, Windows 98 (FE = First Edition), 98 SE (Second Edition) + ME (Millennium Edition) are *still* alive and well.

    Most small companies, charities, schools and individuals cannot afford to upgrade to Windows XP or any other OS, even Linux, because they don't have the necessary resources.
    True, Linux distros are free, but someone needs to install, service, repair and maintain a large number of [networked] computers, no matter what OS they run, and those IT specialists must get paid.
    Besides, those good ol' 9x based OSes are fairly easy and cheap to maintain and troubleshoot.
    Keep in mind that over 70 million computers still use Windows 9x [95/98/ME] based OSes today.

    To get to the point...
    Enthusiast power users, programmers and IT specialists provide *free* support in their spare time at various web sites, forums, blogs etc.
    MSFN.org is the best known support forum for Windows 98, 98 SE + ME.
    And all updates, service packs, fixes, patches, enhancement packs etc... are *free* :
    Unofficial 98 SE Service Pack forum:
    http://www.msfn.org/board/?showforum=91
    95/98/98 SE/ME forum:
    http://www.msfn.org/board/?showforum=8
    Your questions + comments are usually answered in a timely fashion by knowledgeable forum members.

    This way Windows 98/98 SE/ME OSes can be safely used even on modern, fast computers for every conceivable purpose, including playing hardware demanding games [if you have the necessary hardware ;)], desktop publishing, 3D graphics rendering, high-end A/V editing, CD/DVD burning, programming, internet browsing etc.

    * System Updates:
    98 SE SP2:
    http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html
    98 FE SP1:
    http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=44732
    ME SP1:
    http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=61407
    Native USB Drivers for 98 SE:
    http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=43605
    MS IE 6.0 SP1 Updates Pack:
    http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=77706
    98/98 SE Upgrade Pack:
    http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=72297
    98 SE Cumulative Update:
    http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=50611

    * Enhancement + Transformation Packs:
    98SE2ME:
    http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=46349
    98SEMP10:
    http://www.mdgx.com/wmp.htm#98MP10
    Revolutions Pack:
    http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=58357
    Kernel XP:
    http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=71476

    * Individual OS Updates:
    98:
    http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#W98
    98 SP1:
    http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#SP1
    98 SE:
    http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#98SE
    ME:
    http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#WME
    95 FE (First Edition) + OSR1:
    http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#WIN
    95 OSR2:
    http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#OSR2

    * Essential System Add-Ons + Tools:
    http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm
    DirectX Fixes, Updates + Tools:
    http://www.mdgx.com/dx.htm
    Internet Explorer Fixes + Updates:
    http://www.mdgx.com/ietoy.htm
    Windows Media Player Fixes + Updates:
    http://www.mdgx.com/wmp.htm
    Drivers + Tools:
    http://www.mdgx.com/drv.htm

    * Security, Firewalls, Anti-Spyware + Anti-Virus tools [free(ware)]:
    Security:
    http://www.mdgx.com/modem.htm#TS
    Firewalls:
    http://www.mdgx.com/fw.htm#FWL
    Anti-Spyware:
    http://www.mdgx.com/fw.htm#ASP
    Anti-Virus:
    http://www.mdgx.com/vir.htm

    * Tips, secrets, guides + troubleshooting:
    All Windows OSes:
    http://www.mdgx.com/newtip.htm
    98, 98 SP1 + 98 SE:
    http://www.mdgx.com/newtip98.htm
    ME:
    http://www.mdgx.com/wme.htm
    Registry:
    http://www.mdgx.com/reg.htm
    W95-11D.EXE:
    http://www.mdgx.com/95.htm
    MSDOS.SYS:
    http://www.mdgx.com/msdos.htm
    SYSTEM.INI:
    http://www.mdgx.com/lastweek.htm#SYSINI
    DOS:
    http://www.mdgx.com/secrets.htm
    Easter Eggs:
    http://www.mdgx.com/egg.htm

    * Free(ware) software:
    95/98/ME + NT4/2000/XP/2003:
    http://www.mdgx.com/toy.htm
    Diagnostic, Testing + Benchmarking:
    http://www.mdgx.com/speed.htm
    Backup, Recovery + Hard Disk:
    http://www.mdgx.com/secrets.htm#FDPT
    CD + DVD:
    http://www.mdgx.com/drv.htm#CDR
    Video + Audio:
    http://www.mdgx.com/drv.htm#DRV
    http://www.mdgx.com/toy.htm#MED
    Internet:
    http://www.mdgx.com/toy.htm#WEB
    DOS:

    1. Bad idea Anonymous -- 13/07/06

      Sure, you can keep trying to paper over the gaping flaws in Windows 98/Me .. but that's horrible advice.

      If you're going to stick with Windows, go to Win 2K or XP. The sooner everyone gets off the primitive DOS-based Windows, the better we'll all be.

      If you're not prepared to pay the admittedly stiff price for 2K or XP, upgrade to Linux.

      It's time for Win98 to die. Windows Me, on the other hand, should have been stillborn.

      That said, I still have Win98 on my home PC. Primarily because I installed Linux on it years ago, and never feel the need to run Windows any more.

      There are, however, still 3 good reasons to run Windows 98:

      1) Games (but are you sure you wouldn't do better to buy a Playstation or XBox)
      2) The odd application that runs on Win 98 but not on 2K or XP. (But is it really worth it? There's bound to be another application somewhere that will do the same thing...)

    2. great idea ... for political reasons Anonymous -- 14/07/06

      "computing" is a social and political domain ... whether you're doing games or blogging or research, writing, investigating or whatever, it's a social and political activity.

      It is important for our children, as they are introduced to this domain, to learn about the first principle of political freedom, which begins with the _right_, even for kids!, even for those "others" who some would consider to be "socially disposable," to have the _idea_ of being able to fully own and _control_ something. In the case of the computer this starts with the _idea_ of having a right to fully control the hardware that they paid money for. Whether or not they want to have the ability, can then be a choice made in freedom.

      Linux of course is the answer, which correctly has the GUI on top of the OS. But for the many windows programs out there, 98 is best, for children, precisely because the GUI sits on top of DOS. (The "dos" windows in 2K and XP is so "illusory," it is INMO a beginner's form of pornography — it's the equivalent of teaching kids that reality sits on top of bubblegum.)

      The dos prompt underneath the w98 GUI allows the user the last remnant of the _idea of having a right_ to control his or her own computer and system resources. (In XP and especially in VISTA, MS is steadily reducing the concept of "ownership" down to the political equivalent of an eighteenth century peonage. The _idea_ of a right to fully control a personal computer is being increasingly diminished, where the new XP and VISTA user is _forced_ to trust a "focus group" of millionaries, whose political motives he or she has no economic footing to question — Blind trust, and the inability to distrust and verify, always leads to a feeling of betrayal and then to political instability … and that would not be good for people. With each new "edition" of windows MS-sharpies continue usurp more and more of "our" ownership of our own personal computers away from us.)

    3. monolithic stack Anonymous -- 14/07/06

      but then again to need to recompile the kernel for very change to drivers and code does mean the operating is potentially very easy to compromise, especially as being rebuilt will become more and more frequent with a more frequent patch and update cycle.
      Splitting user interface and OS may be a great thing but a single stack for the OS isn't the greatest thing though

  17. Best answer for home users Anonymous -- 13/07/06

    Both PS2 (& 3!) and X-Box (360) offer USB ports.
    And they offer ethernet connections allowing connection to the internet.
    When is some bright spark going to sell to the public a distro on DVD that allows them to plug a USB / wireless keyboard and mouse into their games console, save files to a USB / network storage device, and browse the net, from a free Linux preinstalled with some open-office equivalent?

    hey, tell them to plug a big enough usb drive in and they can even upgrade the office software.

    For home users who only want to
    surf the net
    download email
    chat
    play games

    the games console would be the best option.

  18. Win9x lives on! Anonymous -- 14/07/06

    I have Windows 98SE and Windows XP on seperate PC's.

    Windows 98 continues to do ll of I ask it on my PC, so I have no need to upgrade it. Cya microsoft, we'll miss you!

  19. How to keep Windows 98 / Me alive! Anonymous -- 18/07/06

    How to keep using Windows 98 / Me into the future,
    Life after Microsoft Support Ends (for Dummies!)

    Introduction

    There is alot of advice available on the internet for older operating systems but rarely is there an easy to follow guide for the less informed users on the net. The Dummies, the Noobs, the casual PC user. So I thought I'd write this to help them out.

    In saying this if you are an advanced user, some of this advice is probably not for you. This article will offer the easiest, most common methods available to secure their computers.

    Lets Get Started

    Well you should beaware that on the 11th of July 2006, Microsoft officially ended support for the following operating systems.

    - Windows 98
    - Windows 98 Second Edition (Windows 98 SE)
    - Windows Millenium Edition (Windows Me)

    These operating systems along with Windows 95 are designated as being based on the Win9x code base.

    Microsofts decision means no more security patches will be released by Microsoft for these operating systems. So what do should you do?

    This guide will give you some suggestions on what path you should take.

    My Win9x system is NOT connected to the Internet

    Meaning you DON'T play online games, use email or browse the web on your PC.

    Well the good news is you can keep using your computer like you always have. You see Microsofts end of support means it will no longer offer updates that prevent nasty's on the internet from affecting your PC. So if your not on the internet you can't be affected by these nasty's anyway.

    Remember you can still get computer viruses that may damage or delete your computers files from infected media (floppy disks, CD-ROMS, USB drives, and MP3 Players like iPODS etc etc)

    So either
    1. don't put other peoples media in your machine
    2. have a good up-to-date virus scanner running on your system

    My Windows 9x system IS connected to the Internet

    Meaning you DO play online games, use email or browse the web on your PC.

    Now if you do connect to the internet you ARE affected by Microsofts decision to end support of the Win9x operating systems.

    But the good news is you can MINIMISE most risks to you computer. The following will tell you how.

    1. Win9x isn't as unsecure as people would like you to think!
    =========================================================

    Firstly lets dismiss a rumour that Microsoft has even helped to create. Win9x systems DO NOT have to be considerred as un-secure operating systems for use on the internet. In fact they CAN be quite secure IF appropriate steps are taken.

    A benefit of Win9x systems is that they DO NOT include as many inbuilt online and network features as newer operating systems like Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows Vista.

    What does this mean? Well it means your operating system doesn't have as many access points (think unlocked door ways) for nasties to get into your PC from the Internet. That means if we can find a way of securing the remaining access points (guarding the doors we need to use) we can infact have a very secure system. (See Point Note 4)

    A side benefit of using an aging operating system like ones based on Win9x are no longer in the hackers and virus writers spot light. Banks, Governments, Big Business and the more popular operating systems are the usual targets for online attacks.

    As the usage rate of Win9x drops, so does its profile from the hackers and virus writers radar. Another good thing! That is why many of the big viruses of late DID NOT affect Win9x systems!

    2. Get Windows as up-to-date as possible!
    =========================================================

    Over the years since Win9x was launched Microsoft has produced many security updates for these operating systems. Get them, and install them!

    These updates will close many access points and weaknesses in the operating system that the bad stuff (Viruses, Trojans, Hackers, Spyware) on the web try

    1. Part 2 Anonymous -- 18/07/06

      2. Get Windows as up-to-date as possible!
      =========================================================

      Over the years since Win9x was launched Microsoft has produced many security updates for these operating systems. Get them, and install them!

      These updates will close many access points and weaknesses in the operating system that the bad stuff (Viruses, Trojans, Hackers, Spyware) on the web try to exploit.

      Thankfully Microsoft makes it easy to get the updates if you have an internet connection thanks to Windows Update.

      Just enter the following address into Internet Explorer: http://www.windowsupdate.com

      Now click for it to Scan for Updates and agree to install Critical Updates and Service Packs.

      3. Upgrade Windows Critical Components (Internet Explorer, DirectX and Media Player)
      =========================================================

      - Internet Explorer

      Now for the average user of Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows Millenium Edition it is recommended you upgrade to the latest avaialbe version of Internet Explorer (for advanced users there are reasons for and against this) you can.

      Why? Because for these operating systems Internet Explorer is built into its foundation. Therefore weaknesses in Internet Explorer are actually weaknesses in Windows.

      The most Current (and most likely final) version is Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1, with the June 2006 Cumulative Update.

      You can also get these updates from Windows Update

      or directly from Microsofts Internet Explorer webpage: http://www.microsoft.com/ie

      - DirectX

      DirectX is an inbuilt component of Windows that allows you to play games, listen to music and play videos among other things on your computer.

      For improved graphics, sound, games and online security upgrade your DirectX version to the latest release:

      Windows 95 - DirectX 8.0a
      Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows Millenium Edition - DirectX 9.0c

      Get it from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx

      - Media Player

      This upgrade is optional. There are both for's and againsts for doing this which we wont mention here in too much depth.

      For: Latest codecs for better sound and support of newer sound formats, mp3 players and online music content.
      Against: May not run as quick on slower computers, and may opens a few new security concerns.

      Latest Version avaialble:
      Windows 95 - Windows Media Player 6.4
      Windows 98 - Windows Media Player 7.1
      Windows 98, Windows Millenium Edition - Windows Media Player 9

      If you choose to upgrade to the latest version get it from: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia

      4. Lock the doors! Use a Firewall
      =========================================================

      Computer have access points (door ways) that allow software to communicate with the Internet.

      Some of these access points are used for good purposes such as allowing you to send and recieve emails, visit websites, use online messaging or to play on-line games.

      The problem is there are so many ways for un-wanted nasties to sneak in through these access points and run-a-muck on your system. realmad.gif

      So how do we help to protect our PC from nasties getting onto your computer or keep those already hiding on there from sending personal information out?

      Easy, get a door man! laugh.gif

      A computers version of a doorman is called a Firewall. It only allows approved processes in and out of your system. So if you jump onto your web browser it will allow you to access the net, but if a naughty hacker try's to gain access to your PC, it will deny then access!

      Now there are two basic types of Firewall available. Software (an installed program) and Hardware (a physical device you can touch).

      Hardware Firewalls are built into some modems and routers and close certain know access points to your PC. Check your modem, routers, networks documentation to see if it includes a built in firewall.

      Software Firewalls

    2. Part 3 Anonymous -- 18/07/06

      Software Firewalls are a program that is installed onto your PC that acts as an internal doorman. Data from programs like your web browser, or online game approaches the software firewall (doorman), and then has to prove they have appropriate clearance to pass on through. If the doorman has suspisions about the data it will ask you with a prompt to allow or deny the data to pass. If you don't know the program asking for access, just deny it permission.

      Many of the virus scanning and security products you can buy from the likes Norton and McAfee include Firewall software.

      Otherwise an easy to use free (for personal users, must purchase if to be used by businesses) firewall is ZoneLabs ZoneAlarm.

      For Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows Millenium Edition, the latest version you can use is: 6.1.744.001

      Get it here: http://download.zonelabs.com/bin/free/1012_zl/zlsSetup_61_744_001_en.exe

      You cannot use the newer ZoneAlarm versions from 6.5 + as they are no longer supported on Win9x systems.

      Please Note: There are many other free firewalls available on the web.

      A firewall will protect you from MOST nasty's trying to access your computer, and a combination of Hardware and Software firewalls will offer the best protection.

      5. Have an up-to-date Anti Virus software and Spyware detector
      =========================================================

      Viruses are programs that can do many bad things such as delete or corrupt files, send emails from your email account, allow other viruses in, make your computer crash or at worst un-able to run.

      Viruses can get on your computer by different methods.

      1. From infected media (floppy disks, CD-ROMS, USB drives, and MP3 Players like iPODS etc etc)
      2. through email attatchments
      3. through the internet (websites, online games, instant messaging, other programs that access the internet)
      4. through netwrok connections

      So install a Virus Scanner and keep it up-to-date so it can catch and remove the latest nasties.

      A good free Virus Scanner is made by GrimSoft called AVG Anti-Virus Free.

      Get it from: http://free.grisoft.com

      Spyware and Adware are little programs that get on your PC and can among other things;

      - spy on what websites you go to and then send this information to companies so they can sell this information to marketers.
      - steal your passwords by means such as recording what keys you hit on your keyboard, then sending the information gathered back to the creator so they can access your back accounts.
      - make those annoying ads pop up
      - Change your web browsers home page
      - slow your computer down or make it crash

      So there are plenty of reasons to get rid of them.

      A good free spyware remover is made from Lavasoft called Ad-Aware SE Personal Edition (becarefull, there are alot of trick products that are named similar that are infact spyware!)

      Go to http://www.download.com and so a search for Ad-Aware and download and intall it.

      Remember:
      Virus Scanners and Spyware Detectors must have their databases kept UP-TO-DATE!

      The database is what the Virus Scanner or Spyware detectors refer to a this database (big list) to help them determine what a virus looks like. If you don't keep the list up-to-date your scanning software WILL MISS VIRUSES that are on your computer. Thankfully most scanning software has in-built auto-update features. Use them!

      6. Get a new safer Web Browser!
      =========================================================

      Lets face it, Internet Explorer 6 is no longer a safe option for browsing the web. Internet Explorer 6 on Win9x systems will by default allow some programs and scripts to run automatcially on your computer. This allows many viruses, trojens and spyware to be installed without your knowledge. Not good!

      Unfortunately Internet Explorer is still often required for Microsoft services, for some programs to run and to access certain websites. So you can

    3. Part 4 Anonymous -- 18/07/06

      Unfortunately Internet Explorer is still often required for Microsoft services, for some programs to run and to access certain websites. So you can't easily uninstall it (throw it away).

      But, you can minimise the risks by using a safer web browser for the majority of your web browsing. As they are not integrated into Windows itself, they don't allow websites as much access to the system. These newer web browsers not only prevent many nasties from automaticaly installing themselves on your computer without your permission, they can also offer new and improved features.

      These include:
      - blocking pop up ads
      - help to varify that sites are secure and valid (important when doing online banking)
      - have tabbed browsing
      - are standards compliant
      - Offer integrated serach engines
      + more

      Two top class web browsers worth considerring are:

      Mozilla Firefox - http://www.firefox.com

      Opera - http://www.opera.com

      (Ensure you get the latest Win9x compatible versions)

      7. Make wise decisions!
      =========================================================

      The truth is most viruses, spyware and hackers gain entry because of a users mistakes or carelessness.

      A little vigilance from the user can prevent most nasties from gaining a foothold on your PC.

      1. If your computer is doing strange things or you are recieving strange pop ups, run a FULL SCAN with your Virus Scanner and Spyware detector. Go to Start, Program, [YOUR VIRUS SCANNER] and select to sun a full system scan.

      2. Keep all of your software up-to-date especially ones that utilise the internet! (eg. including: Java, Abobe Acrobat Reader, Flash Player, Shockwave, Microsoft Office, Media Players, MSN Messenger, AOL Instant Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, ICQ, Limewire, Kazaa etc etc among many others)

      3. If a pop up comes on your screen whilst browsing the net informing you that your computer is at risk (from a program you do not have installed), just close the window and ignore it. Don't follow its advice to install anything or run a system scan. Nearly 99% of all pop ups of this kind are bogus!

      4. Keep away from un-trust-worthy websites. This includes many porn, warez (free illegal software and game downloads), crackz, online system scans and gambling sites.

      5. If an email looks suspicious, or is offering something free, cheap deals, viagra, sex services etc etc, DON'T open or even view it! Just delete it! And never ever reply to them! And don't open attatchments that you don't know or need, EVEN FROM FRIENDS.
      Often viruses can get onto your friends computer and send you a copy of the virus from their email address! So becarefull of ALL Office files, or programs sent to you. Either ensure your virus scanner is set so it scans your emails or use a free online email service that does it for you (Hotmail, Yahoo Mail, Gmail)

      6. Either Switch off your internet connection when you aren't at your computer for extended periods or if you can't do that turn off the computer. Computers that are connected to the internet for long periods of a time are more prone to being hacked. So turn it off when its not in use and you have just minimised the risk.

      7. IF THIS IS ALL TOO MUCH FOR YOU, IT MAY BE TIME TO UPGRADE YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM!
      Microsoft, Apple and Linux have many new operating systems that are still supported (but remember many of the recommendations made here are still required on newer systems too. There is no hands off way to secure your computer yet)

      LONG LIVE Win9x
      =========================================================

      So in summary just because Microsoft has pulled the pin on Win9x based systems DOESN NOT mean you have to. But as has been show you do now have to take your security concerns into your own hands.

      Hopefully this guide will help you have many more years of faithfull service from your Win9x computer.

      GALAHs

      END OF GUIDE
      =========================================================

      Qui

  20. I will continue to use Windows 98 SE Anonymous -- 21/07/06

    Why

    - It does what I need of it (web browsing, email and Office)
    - its fast
    - installation only takes 150MB
    - I don't have multiusers on this machine.

  21. Win 98 does the Job Anonymous -- 22/07/06

    I love how people upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I prefer the saying:

    If it does the job, stick with it!

    With Firefox, OpenOffice, a firewall and virus scanner you can feel safe squeezing a few more years out of this ol work horse.

  22. W98SE works fine & why promote XP? Anonymous -- 24/07/06

    Let me get this straight, Msft is promoting "upgrades" to XP while Vista is on the cusp of being released? That means that any sorry organization doing the upgrade this Fall will soon have ANOTHER soon-to-be obsolete OS on their hands.

    And let's not fool anyone but IT admins, right? Can you "upgrade" ANY Msft OS? Answer: NO. All you do is, at best, blow away the old OS (and apps and data and connectivity and business rules) and replace it. At worst, you buy a new PC.

    What/who plays into Msft's hands are the associated application vendors whose software detects an "incompatible" OS and tells you to "upgrade." Sofar, I've bumped into two sofar and it's not yet a problem.

  23. Vista Anonymous -- 27/07/06

    You would think Microsoft would have waited until Vista was launched before pulling the pin on Win98/Me.

    Then again, they did.... problem was Vista wasn't ready in time.

    Opps!

    Ah well, Windows 98 works well enough to keep using it until Vista with Service Pack 1 is ready. Cause there is no way I'm going to be a guiney pig on its first release.

    Made that mistake before (windows 95 cough cough, xp tripple couch!)

  24. Linux Standard Anonymous -- 29/07/06

    Until Linux develops a standard that allows any software written for Linux to simply and easily install and run on any other Linux machine, people will stick with Microsofts Windows OS's.

    1. Re: Linux Standard Anonymous -- 08/08/06

      "Until Linux develops a standard that allows any software written for Linux to simply and easily install and run on any other Linux machine."

      What?
      Linux is Linux no matter the GUI(rh-fedora core, mandriva, suse and others)

    2. not quite Anonymous -- 11/08/06

      It is the instalaltion and distribution mechanism that differes between all the versions, hence there is no one right way of doing it

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