EDS: Linux is insecure, unscalable

Large enterprises should not use Linux because it is not secure enough, has scalability problems and could fork into many different flavours, according to the Agility Alliance, which includes IT heavyweights EDS, Fuji Xerox, Cisco, Microsoft, Sun, Dell and EMC.

The alliance comprises a group of IT hardware and software firms that have combined their expertise and products to help EDS create 'best of breed' solutions and compete with the likes of IBM Global Services and Hewlett-Packard for the most lucrative government and enterprise contracts.

It was first announced in the US during 2004 but senior executives from partner companies gathered in Sydney on Wednesday to officially launch the Alliance in Asia Pacific.

At the launch, Robb Rasmussen, vice president of EDS Global Alliances, explained that the alliance does not consider Linux to be a suitable operating system for the largest of enterprise customers because the open source operating system has issues with security, scalability and the possibility of forking.

"From a corporate perspective, we are not confident where Linux is right now today. A large enterprise needs to be sure because it relates to securifying [sic] the environment. We see some of the same things occurring that did to Unix -- it could splinter into many different types of languages. We are quite cautious about Linux and its deployment," said Rasmussen.

Rasmussen said he was just as concerned about using Linux on mainframe computers.

"We are concerned about security on an open standard environment like that. We are also concerned about some of the scalability issues that we are seeing on our clients on a global basis. Also, we are somewhat cautious about what happened with Unix - it splintered into eight applications -- until McNealy (Scott McNealy, chief executive of Sun) finally announced he won the battle and had the one surviving Unix out there. We think Linux has the possibility of going the same route," said Rasmussen.

Additionally, he said that Linux is not significantly cheaper than alternative operating systems.

"Quite honestly, in the notion of costs, as we look at what we are structuring with our alliance partners, we are not seeing a compelling cost advantage that would lend us towards Linux -- given the other things I have mentioned," said Rasmussen.

Jim Hassell, managing director of Sun Microsystems Australia, argued that Linux was no loss to the Agility Alliance because it could use Solaris 10 instead of Linux rival Red Hat.

"If you test Red Hat against Solaris 10 against whatever else... we would say that Solaris 10 beats it hands down on functionality and everything else," said Hassell.

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    Funny, but that's the first ti ...Anonymous -- 16/03/05

    Funny, but that's the first time I've seen "EDS" and "best of breed" used together in the same sentence without a negative somewhere.

    prhaps EDS would like to 'secu ...Anonymous -- 16/03/05

    prhaps EDS would like to 'securify' there managed systems here in the SA government...

    prhaps EDS would like to 'secu ...Anonymous -- 16/03/05

    prhaps EDS would like to 'securify' there managed systems here in the SA government...

    More F.U.D. - and especially w ...Anonymous -- 16/03/05

    More F.U.D. - and especially with Microsoft in the herd here, it makes it all the more evident.

    AS IF a company that wanted to integrate GNU/linux into their environment would use a heap of different flavours - that is almost an insult to the intelligence of IT management all across the boards.

    As stated, this is purely F.U.D. and should have been recognised by the supposedly intelligent staff at ZDNET Australia (Oh, wait - they're also allied with Microsoft - sorry - forgot that bit.)

    Gods I wish these FUD-mongers ...Anonymous -- 16/03/05

    Gods I wish these FUD-mongers would shut up and put up. Or at least try to compete on the basis of the actual merits of their software (although Microsoft has only one merit: a Moron friendly, clunky sack of excrement they call an OS). I ask you this, if Linux is so crap and can't scale... why is it running %60 of the worlds fastest supercomputers? and why does it continue to be the fastest growing server-side OS on the market? why? because it's secure, stable, and with the advent of 2.6 it's more scalable than ever before. I think we should also note who is in this alliance.. Sun and Microsoft? hmm... the two companies most threatened by the rising adoption of linux? I wonder why they would be so quick to spread F.U.D..... I think we know what's going on here.. Bulls**t on a grand scale...

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    Obviously the comment about &q ...Anonymous -- 16/03/05

    Obviously the comment about "securifying" came from the president of the US as part of his pro-monopoly strategery. (Bush is famous over here for mangling the language--he apparently actually said "strategery" once.)

    "Follow the money". ...Anonymous -- 16/03/05

    "Follow the money".

    Not surprising to find that Microsoft wants people to believe that their only serious competitor in this space isn't up to par.

    As always, it all depends on your definition of *security*.

    I am very troubled that a comp ...Anonymous -- 16/03/05

    I am very troubled that a company with seemingly
    good pedigree, EDS, has people who are clearly
    reading and regurgitating fear, uncertainty and
    doubt being churned out by the likes of the
    Business Software Alliance and Microsoft.

    But then again, thanks for the comedy!

    EDS was responsible for crashi ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    EDS was responsible for crashing 80,000 UK Government PCs:

    http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1732672,00.asp

    Most of the desktop computers in the UK's Department for Work and Pensions were paralyzed for four days on Monday, when a failed upgrade took them offline. The outage, covering 75 percent to 80 percent of the DWP's 80,000 PCs, is one of the largest in the UK government's not entirely impressive IT history.
    And possibly one of the most costly. According to staff reports, the outage occurred on Monday afternoon, disconnecting staff e-mail, benefits processing, and Internet and intranet connectivity. According to one, a limited network upgrade from Windows 2000 to Windows XP was taking place, but instead of this taking place on only a small number of the target machines, all the clients connected to the network received a partial, but fatal, "upgrade."

    Another source says that the DWP was trialing Windows XP on a small number ("about seven") of machines. "EDS was going to apply a patch to these. Unfortunately the request was made to apply it live and it was rolled out across the estate, which hit around 80 percent of the Win2K desktops. This patch caused the desktops to BSOD and made recovery rather tricky as they couldn't boot to pick any further patches or recalls. I gather that [Microsoft Corp.] consultants have been flown in from the U.S. to clear up the mess." EDS is also thought to be flying in fire brigades.

    EDS does not have the experise ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    EDS does not have the experise to use anything other than Point and click. Even with MS Windows they crash systems and cost their clients. They are Microsoft's puppets and I would be concerned about their competence especially after they crashed 80,000 UK governemt PCs.

    I find this disturbing since s ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    I find this disturbing since some companies like Yahoo and Google are using the insecure and unscalable solutions like Linux for their stuff...but what do they know? And what is up with Dell and Sun? They have major Linux investments in place.

    Isn't it funny. McNealy claim ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Isn't it funny. McNealy claiming to have the "last surviving UNIX". What about HP-UX? AIX? Those aren't trivial companies either. Funny that both of the companies behind those UNIX flavors have large commitments to Linux. Further surprising is the number of losses Sun is sufferring at the hands of Linux concerns.

    Multiple splintered versions? Not possible. All draw from the SAME core software. The only possibility for differences is in the utility toolset. But the functionality remains the same across the board.

    ZDNet Australia should be ashamed at even propagating this FUD.

    I suggest that Mr Torvalds spe ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    I suggest that Mr Torvalds speaks to Mr. Gates about security issues. Microsoft have created so many that indeed they are the definitive authority on the subject.

    EDS is totaly clueless. The N ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    EDS is totaly clueless. The Navy Marine Corp Internet is seen as a total failure. They generally muck up most IT efforts they undertake. And with the likes of Micro$HAFT, SUN, and EDS, most that know better will view this as just more FUD.

    I have to ask one quest. What ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    I have to ask one quest. What DRUGS are these Guys ON? Where are they getting there information?

    EDS and security (or M$ and se ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    EDS and security (or M$ and security) aren't even close.
    Solaris 10 have some technical merits (DTrace etc), but it doesn't give Sun right to claim Linux is not scalable or secure (as opposed to having right to claim that Solaris 10 is scalable and secure)

    What a load of crap mate! All ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    What a load of crap mate!

    All OS have their ups and downs. Some just need a lot of help from spin doctors and lying ****s.

    Besides why pay for defective, insecure and otherwise lame operating systems or applications when you can get a better OS for free, not to mention with the source code included.

    EDS liked linux so much that t ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    EDS liked linux so much that they wrote in their case study:

    The new Linux environment provides a level of security and stability unavailable elsewhere. Because it is open-source software, it also offers significant cost savings on licensing and allows EDS to provide faster, more responsive support because programming problems can be diagnosed and repaired more quickly.

    http://www.eds.com/services/casestudies/eds_instant.aspx

    You notice Sun was giving face ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    You notice Sun was giving face to Linux now they are backstabing linux, the same with Dell. Hmmmm, make sure you don't buy any equipment from Sun or Dell if you want Linux hardware. They have obviously shown there true colors, and never really liked or wanted linux, they just wanted the money from the hardware sales. I bet that if you called there tech support on a linux question all they would say would be switch to Solaris, or Switch to Windows, or This wouldn't happen on (Solaris/Windows). McNealy and Dell are nothing but backstabing windows brown nosers.

    And what was that comment about Sun being the only Unix left. Last time I checked there were a couple others like AIX and HP-Unix. Too bad Novell can't pull there Unix License, then Sun would really be hurting.

    What a load of cobblers! Just ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    What a load of cobblers! Just goes to show how much Linux, and other Open Source projects, are eating into a market once dominated by proprietary vendors. This statement is good old fashioned FUD - designed to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt in the minds of people who are thinking of dumping their virus infected MS PCs and servers, realising there are much cheaper alternatives to cisco routers and the like.

    Hmm, ever noticed how many com ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Hmm, ever noticed how many companies are claiming that linux is insecure but use it in thier own products? Linksys is a division of Cisco Systems, and a seeming large number of thier products run on linux...

    "Agility Alliance, which ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    "Agility Alliance, which includes IT heavyweights EDS, Fuji Xerox, Cisco, Microsoft.."

    thats when i stopped reading ..

    Would it surprise you that EMC ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Would it surprise you that EMC has Windows Server 2003 built into it? And of course DELL uses EMC hardware for their shared storage devices. No mention on EMC website about windows 2003 being embedded into their hardware.

    We purchased an EMC AX100. Once we found out windows 2003 was on it and it consumed 17Gig of hard drive space we shipped it back. I finally asked about the OS when it needed to reboot 3 times to reinitialize.

    Ah, come on. A real troll can ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Ah, come on. A real troll can do better:
    Try the cl****ic 'Linux is teh suck !!!!1!!11!!!'
    in your next article. This would be more believable
    than "Linux is insecure, unscalable".

    If EDS want to make fools of t ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    If EDS want to make fools of themselves, let them

    Look: c-l-a-s-s-i-c is a dirty ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Look: c-l-a-s-s-i-c is a dirty word on ZDNet

    --> cl****ic <--

    Funny...

    You could say they are affraid ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    You could say they are affraid, they don't have the knowledge to use it, their companies aren't build for it, their staff isn't skilled, etc.....

    Let's stay by our old stuff, then it'll be fine, we don't have to think.

    CAUSE WE KNOW IT ALL!!!

    According to a Sun rep, Sun's ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    According to a Sun rep, Sun's stuff is better than their competitors? What a surprise. Front page news. :-)

    Best of breed solutions, I thi ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Best of breed solutions, I think not. I find it kind of ironic that in the article they say that the alliance is made up of companys that are trying to compete in a lucrative market (government/corp contracts) with the likes of IBM. The reason that IBM owns this market segment is because they have realized the potential of Linux and have used utilized it in their consulting division. If this "alliance" is to ever make it they are going to have to abandon this tunnel vision.

    LOL. RedHat 9? MS wake up! Lin ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    LOL. RedHat 9? MS wake up! Linux grows generations over every 6 months. MS bases and publishes its study based on the older version of RH Linux. None of the stuff you say today is the same stuff we see today. Security bugs get fixed in days (critical in less than a day), the over 60% of Top 500 supercomputers are running Linux (1, not 1%, "is" using Windows, go figure). As for forking, no company wants fork away from standard compilance because "standard compliance" sells. People want choice and interopability.

    Hmm. so SUN say "SUN's pr ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Hmm. so SUN say "SUN's product is the only real unix and this upstart Linux shouldn't be used" - in an organization designed to compete against IBM (and its pro-unix, pro aix stance)....

    EDS: Our profits insecure/unsc ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    EDS: Our profits insecure/unscalable. IBM/Linux posts record profits; Dell, Sun are loosers. Lets get real, this is trade industry FUD. IBM posted > $1 Billion per quarter profits from Linux/PowerPC. Those same profit charts show IBM gaining and Sun, Dell loosing market share. The IBM PowerPC 720 is (a lot) *faster* and (a lot) *cheaper* than anything that Dell sells in that cl****. Boo hoo for Dell.

    Dell has almost no in-house Linux talent, even though it sort-of tries to play in that space. It hires Linux hackers, and tries to convert them into Windows programmers, and then they quit... what a surprise. This is a recurring story for Dell ... Dell just can't get its **** together on the Linux front. (Of course, if RedHat wasn't busy alienating and ****ing off hardware vendors, Dell might not be in such a bad position).

    What about Oracle? Well, IBM DB2 has whupped Oracle's bottom over the last 5 years, and is now the market leading database. So Oracle can only win by attacking IBM (by attacking Linux, and indirectly attacking the open-source Postgres and MySQL databases).

    What about EMC? Well, It battles IBM daily for the storage market; it can gain by attacking Linux, because, surprise, IBM's big-honking storage servers run Linux!

    I think these guys are having a bad case of profit-envy; they failed to make a dime off of Linux even though they tried. IBM at their lunch. This is a straight-ahead industry salvo of FUD.

    this is all lies spawned from ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    this is all lies spawned from Microsoft.

    Any true OS or security expert will denounce this story.

    EDS... Stop the MS FUD campaign!

    Here are the facts:

    INSECURE
    MS - over 10,000 viruses in the wild. All of them have been sucessful in comprimising Windows (all versions)

    Linux - none

    MS - poorly written hacks upon a stolen OS architechture written by David Cutler. Windows is exactly that... hacked code to provide FEATURES only, NOT SECURITY.

    Linux - secure by design (google and read)!

    UNSCALABLE
    MS - Windows has no future unless it is scrapped and re-written from the ground up. There is no scalability when there is no more room to hack the code. That's why WE ALL will keep hearing headlings like "longhorn to debut in 2007", because they have to keep buying time to hack.

    Linux - Open Source and 100% scalable (google and read)

    This seems like the blind lead ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    This seems like the blind leading the blind. The man doesn't even have a grasp of the English language how can he possibly know what he is talking about? "Securifying?" What the hell is that?!?!

    Also, Solaris is not the only Unix out there. Mac OS X is Unix, IRIX is Unix, and HP-UX (even though it sucks) is Unix, so he obviously knows nothing about what he speaks and is regurgitating Microsoft propoganda.

    It is really sad that ignorance is tolerated at that level in the corporate structure. You'd think EDS could find someone more intelligent for the money they are paying.

    What sort of news article publ ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    What sort of news article publishes companies talking about their competitors' products as facts? This is a pretty disgusting attempt to mock journalism.

    Bunch of idiots! That's all I ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Bunch of idiots! That's all I can say. Of course is MS saying this, they need to protect their monopoly (with a system that is the worst of all OS's out there).

    GET OVER IT! Linux IS NOT THE ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    GET OVER IT! Linux IS NOT THE BEST!!!

    Bunch of cry babies. Someone ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Bunch of cry babies. Someone says that Linux isn't the best OS, and you come out of the woodwork. Linux Losers!

    Forbes says "Linux Rules ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Forbes says "Linux Rules Supercomputers"
    http://www.forbes.com/home/enterprisetech/2005/03/15/cz_dl_0315linux.html

    bad news kids.. they are right ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    bad news kids.. they are right. ive used linux for 13 years and it gets harder to maintain correctly ever year. im considering seriously dropping linux entirely from my resume and pursuing employment in Sun-centric environments exclusively.

    Nnice piece of fluff. Interes ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Nnice piece of fluff. Interesting how all the players are ones you'd identify as having a vested interest in continuing a MS dominated world.

    ANd for security, the title refences Linux as not being secure enough, but the article only refers to concerns about "open standards". You know, the kind of things that allow for interoperability in most devices on the market?

    I think they transposed the wo ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    I think they transposed the words, it should read "Linux: EDS is insecure, unscalable".

    Linux like all operating syste ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Linux like all operating systems has its good and bad points. What is important to note is that it is maturing very quickly due to it's large development community. As for the fool comment about using Linux for 13 years and find it more complex to maintain try using something like SUSE. Perhaps you use some Linux training

    first and formost, ZDnet shoul ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    first and formost, ZDnet should be ashamed of themselves for even posting an article like this without it being refered to as some sort of parody. Secondly, anyone that can take someone who makes up words like "securifying" seriously should be shot. And Thirdly, WE ALL KNOW THAT IF SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR COMPETITION, IT HAS TO BE TRUE 110% OF THE TIME.

    a little message to anyone reading this, if these ceo's and VP's are right, then what does that make their products, which have been proven time and again to be lacking in the security department more then any build of linux out there... I have seen 3rd graders write more secure code then windows.

    O.K. Two of these sell their ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    O.K. Two of these sell their own OS. The other either provide hardware or services to manage hardware.

    If a OS does not scale or is difficult to secure, then you would need more boxes and more people to manage and configure those boxes. Which means you need to spend more on hardware and services to manage the hardware.

    If I made money on how many boxes I sold and/or how many of your boxes I need to manage do you think I am going to recommend the one that requires the fewest number of boxes or is the easist to manage.

    Someone should tell Google or ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Someone should tell Google or Akamai about this insecure and unscalable operating system as soon as possible, before they make a big mistake....

    Didn't spend much time on it, ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Didn't spend much time on it, but 4 of the 5 fastest supercomputers in the world (top500.org) run Linux, guess someone had better tell them that it doesn't scale well.

    I think it is better to use re ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    I think it is better to use real case studies to explain the rational behind the lip exercise.

    Charles

    It's FUD time again! Wow... M ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    It's FUD time again! Wow... Micro$oft are really laying on the FUD now. Even the www.linux.org/news page has numerous "Get the FUD" links. Let's see... how many supercomputers are run by WinDos? In my experience the only things scalable with WinDos are the price and remote attacks. Micro$oft, for all its monopoly power, can't even support anything other than Intel x86 - they dropped Alpha support long ago, they dropped support for Intel's 'Itanic' CPU, and now they're making an attempt to get things running on AMD64... I don't know, I get the impression that 64 bits is more than Micro$oft can chew. What excuse have they got for their pathetic performace? This free stuff has been running on a huge number of platforms for years. Oh, and can you say 'interoperability'? Someone show me an interoperable WinDos system please - I simply must see this mythical beast.

    Linux is why EDS's projects so ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Linux is why EDS's projects so often fail, no doubt.

    EDS can make claims like this, ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    EDS can make claims like this, but it will come back to haunt them. Their motivation is to make money now, don't worry about right or wrong, just make some damn money.

    LINUX PROVIDES AN ALTERNATIVE! ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    LINUX PROVIDES AN ALTERNATIVE!!! Whether it's "best", "more secure" or "more scalable" cannot be decided by people like EDS, but needs to be evaluated case-by-case. The fact that Microsoft and Sun is in this alliance says it all. Strange to see Cisco in there though.

    Just as an aside to jms and hi ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Just as an aside to jms and his 13 years, don't take that as an end all be all of how Linux has progressed or where it is going. I've used it just as long and have only seen it get easier and easier to maintain. Choices in distros can make a huge difference in your experiences with Linux and as I always tell people, when you find one you like, you stick with it and go from there.

    As for this article, yeah, it's FUD. Not even thinly veiled FUD. It's thrown in your face, blatant FUD and to a point all we are doing is feeding the trolls.. er.. writers of ZDNet Australia. This has probably generated for them a TON of traffic and I'm sure their sponsors are thrilled. It did make it to Slashdot so that is guaranteed for a bit of traffic (for the ones that read the article anyways).

    Nothing scales *better* than L ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Nothing scales *better* than Linux - embedded to supercomputer.

    Linux scales down. Linux is being shipped in *millions* of little embedded boxes. Like all of Linksys' current wireless and router products.

    Linux scales up. SGI's 512-processor behmoths run Linux, as do 60% of the top 500 supercomputers in the world. http://www.forbes.com/home/enterprisetech/2005/03/15/cz_dl_0315linux.html

    In both cases, it's not some special "compact edition" or "enterprise edition" of the kernel; it's the same source code.

    I don't know of another operating system which even comes *close* to that performance.

    Expain Google, Novell, IBM tha ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Expain Google, Novell, IBM that has deployed Linux within their company and server farms.

    I can't believe this type of r ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    I can't believe this type of rubbish. Funny how the ones most interested in creating and spreading FUD about Linux are the ones who have the most to lose from its success.

    This is good news, it shows ag ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    This is good news, it shows again that micro**** is scared...and a big **** you to Bill Gates and his stolen crappy OS.

    Fud, lovely fud. Linus has sca ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Fud, lovely fud. Linus has scalability problems? How many pints of Guiness can he shoulder, you suppose? Security? His kill ratio is still lagging behind comrade bin Laden.

    Suppose the news is that Scott MacNealy has joined the dark side now.

    They are worried about forks? ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    They are worried about forks?
    Let's see there's XP Home, XP Pro, XP Tablet, XP Media Edition, Professional x64 edition, Server 2003, Server 2003 Small Business, Server 2003 Advanced Data Center edition, Server 2003 Web Edition and on and on and on ad nausium...either they are the biggest bunch of retards, or they are a bunch of lying dirtbags..this is FUD spread because they know they suck.

    IN related news , "McDona ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    IN related news , "McDonalds says Hungry Jacks makes you fat, announces specials on McSalads."

    Nothing to see here, move along.

    Rob Rasmussen is incompetent a ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Rob Rasmussen is incompetent and does not scale to his own job. Maybe he should look at talking about things he actually understands. Or could it be his job description has lying in it? Try to mislead clients? Oh, maybe he cannot spell vested interest?

    The funny part is that nobody listens to that kind of FUD anymore.

    As a former UNIX Administrator ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    As a former UNIX Administrator, I've found that RedHat Advanced Server is much more easy to administer than Solaris, AIX, and HP-UX. Patching, security, and package availability on Linux is much better than the rest. Funny that if the "Alliance" believes this FUD, that most of the companies have invested such a large amount of money on Linux. Take Oracle for example... Oracle was traditionally a Sun shop but are now running their entire business on Linux, Dell, and NetApp.

    Oracle's Austin Data Center (A ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Oracle's Austin Data Center (ADC) is the world's largest Linux installation. It runs more than 9,500 grid computing servers running Red Hat Enterprise Linux on Dell servers and NetApp storage devices. -- Oracle Magazine, March - April 2005 issue

    Is there a Microsoft Windows or a Sun Solaris implementation comparable to that and would make me believe that Linux does not scale?

    Linux scares EDS and its ilk b ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Linux scares EDS and its ilk because they can't go the the mothership for support. Linux and open source and open systems requires actual technical competance. EDS likes Windows and UNIX because they can always contract with the vendor do the heavy lifting. This lets EDS skim off the project management bucks. Ross Perot know this when he started EDS.

    So long as Linux is not controlled by a single vendor, all the proprietary vendors of software will look at Linux as a threat.

    I like it!

    There is a grain of truth abou ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    There is a grain of truth about the issues with the current activities in the market around Linux. Hopefully even the most zealous Linux bigot should admit that.
    EDS has had its problems in recent years, because it was focusing on perception and not reality. Robb is just one voice in a much larger sea of people working in this space. He just has a louder voice. The people who do the work know what needs to be done and are doing it.

    ZDNet are the only ones to bla ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    ZDNet are the only ones to blame for this.
    What a bunch of morons.

    FORBES: "Linux Rules Supe ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    FORBES: "Linux Rules Supercomputers"

    Forbes claims that 60 percent of supercomputers of current Top500 List are running Linux. Source:
    http://www.forbes.com/home/enterprisetech/2005/03/15/cz_dl_0315linux.html

    But perhaps somebody should tell those supercomputing guys that 'it doesn't scale'?

    Statistical details:
    Linux: 301 (out of 500) supercomputers
    UNIX: 189 supercomputers
    FreeBSD: 2 supercomputers
    Microsoft Windows 1 (one!) supercomputer (ROTFL)
    other: 7 supercomputers

    Nuff said.

    "Agility Alliance" members should better watch out for their own survival. They might be dead fish faster than they can imagine today.

    Show me the paper man, don't j ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Show me the paper man, don't just bluf!

    You know the Dinasuars once wa ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    You know the Dinasuars once walked the earth. They are now extinct. The problem with reports like these is the people behind them are Dinasuars. This kind of thinking is as bad as the world being flat. The amount of inavation that has spawned from Linux is astounding. Its just sad to see that its taking longer for these Dinasaurs to die out. Eventually history repeats itself. Will you be extinct or are you going to be the ones that crawl out from the primortial ooze and florish like the Mamals did?!

    You know the Dinasuars once wa ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    You know the Dinasuars once walked the earth. They are now extinct. The problem with reports like these is the people behind them are Dinasuars. This kind of thinking is as bad as the world being flat. The amount of inavation that has spawned from Linux is astounding. Its just sad to see that its taking longer for these Dinasaurs to die out. Eventually history repeats itself. Will you be extinct or are you going to be the ones that crawl out from the primortial ooze and florish like the Mamals did?!

    You know the Dinasuars once wa ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    You know the Dinasuars once walked the earth. They are now extinct. The problem with reports like these is the people behind them are Dinasuars. This kind of thinking is as bad as the world being flat. The amount of inavation that has spawned from Linux is astounding. Its just sad to see that its taking longer for these Dinasaurs to die out. Eventually history repeats itself. Will you be extinct or are you going to be the ones that crawl out from the primortial ooze and florish like the Mamals did?!

    You know the Dinasuars once wa ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    You know the Dinasuars once walked the earth. They are now extinct. The problem with reports like these is the people behind them are Dinasuars. This kind of thinking is as bad as the world being flat. The amount of inavation that has spawned from Linux is astounding. Its just sad to see that its taking longer for these Dinasaurs to die out. Eventually history repeats itself. Will you be extinct or are you going to be the ones that crawl out from the primortial ooze and florish like the Mamals did?!

    I now cannot look at any EDS p ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    I now cannot look at any EDS person without
    having a s**** and a smile wondering if all
    the screws are there!

    The ZDNet for the midweek humour.

    Hmm, and how much Malware/Viru ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Hmm, and how much Malware/Viruses/Spyware /Crapware/HiJacked IE/Trojans have I removed off windoze machines today? Jeeze. Its 9:00pm, and im still in the shop fixing windoze problems. Ive sold 3 Slackware boxen today. It seems that windoze is not as much in demand as it used to be.

    The point is, everyday vunerab ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    The point is, everyday vunerabilities are found in linux. So, in fact, the article is true in that respect. Where are the holes you ask? just subscribe to an exploit newsletter, they are all over the place. If Linux was the most popular operating system, then people would be ****ing just as much, if not more about it regarding security issues. Face it freaks, you might be afraid to jump on this particular bandwagon, but let's not use invincible ignorance to bash microsoft. Frankly, it's not very cl****y.

    Pathetic. Do they really think ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Pathetic. Do they really think anyone is going to be fooled by such a lame and transparent FUD attack? They must be getting desperate...

    Pathetic. Do they really think ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Pathetic. Do they really think anyone is going to be fooled by such a lame and transparent FUD attack? They must be getting desperate...

    Pathetic. Do they really think ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Pathetic. Do they really think anyone is going to be fooled by such a lame and transparent FUD attack? They must be getting desperate...

    In all fairness to EDS .... Th ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    In all fairness to EDS .... The lastest Linux version, RedHat 1.0 (Mother's Day) which was released in Nov 1994 did suffer from poor security and was not very scaleable.

    Gee, it took them 11 years to come up with this report ... Maybe if they had upgraded their DOS 2.11 SOE machines they could have some chance of keeping up with the rest of the world.

    Maeanwhile our 200+ Hosting servers have all been migrated to Trustix Linux. This way I don't need two full time admin guys spending 24 hours per day applying Windows updates and rebooting machines.

    Linux outperforms Windows in all areas.

    The only problem with forks I ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    The only problem with forks I see in this story, is that of the toungs of sun, oracle and (perhaps) cisco. In one moment it's unbreakable, the next...
    Sun on the other hand, is just to daft for words, strong wibes of hate sent in that direction, if I were Bill Gates, I'd buy sun, opensource everything sun owns (under a proper lisence), and drive myself out of business:p

    Not Scalable? Google runs the ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Not Scalable? Google runs their backbone on Linux, as do countless ISPs! How often has Google gone down?

    Sorry guys, but there are way too many success stories for this FUD to be believed anymore. Sounds like the dinasours are complaining about the cursed little mammals again.

    Not Scalable? Google runs the ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Not Scalable? Google runs their backbone on Linux, as do countless ISPs! How often has Google gone down?

    Sorry guys, but there are way too many success stories for this FUD to be believed anymore. Sounds like the dinasours are complaining about the cursed little mammals again.

    Not Scalable? Google runs the ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Not Scalable? Google runs their backbone on Linux, as do countless ISPs! How often has Google gone down?

    Sorry guys, but there are way too many success stories for this FUD to be believed anymore. Sounds like the dinasours are complaining about the cursed little mammals again.

    I can see all the Linux bigots ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    I can see all the Linux bigots squelling like stuck pigs and blame Microsoft for this article...It is all they can do even with the truth staring them in the face, same old thing they say Linux is better because it is Bill Gates is evil. Guys get past it, value to an organisation is all that counts no matter what thet choice is. Tech geeks fighting about religion is no vlaue except to other tech geeks

    Its just the inertia of these ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Its just the inertia of these firms, nobody likes change, but thats where its at.

    What a funny article! Solaris ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    What a funny article! Solaris 10 was released because Sun was afraid of Linux. Microsoft's claim that XP is the most secure of all windows system is a joke. With a windows 2000 boot disk, one could log-on to a Windows XP system without doing anything, nothing at all. Linux's stability in our corporation. No down time, 2 years! If any Microsoft product can beat that, that means that Microsoft is alread y a UNIX flavor.

    Microsoft already has a Unix ( ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Microsoft already has a Unix (Interix), it is called "services for unix" and if I remember rightly it has won awards and accolades at linuxworld. It will allow you to take unix sourcecode with little modification and run it on a windows server. Great TCO and migration story in turning off the expensive iron.

    I read another article titled ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    I read another article titled - SCO face possible Nasdaq delisting before reading this one, I would say, they are quite interrelated in a very educating
    manner.

    There are few lessons can be learned here, maybe hard ones.

    1. Users are clever enough to ****ess system, we dont need some paralegal or greedy marketing personnels to **** our brain.
    2. Respect must be earned not asked ( linux never asked to be praised, they just deserve it. )
    3.Some good value of linux divide by zero cost are equal to infinite benefits. Go and match that.
    4. Just wondering which components of this EDS pact gonna get delisting order in the near future, for spending too much resources on FUD rather than improving their codes.

    ZDNET has time to spent to wri ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    ZDNET has time to spent to write this kind of articles?
    Sun, Microsoft with the same point of view? EDS is as well credile as a car seller! Unix, linux, *BSD ****ume more tasks each days! what about solaris? a license change! and Windows just trying to get our money with some unstable systems, Please give us some real informations and not this kind of FUD

    Well I'm almost convince if th ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    Well I'm almost convince if this people dont receive
    a compensation for someone. Nice try.......really nice try..............................

    This is all fantastic. This fi ...Anonymous -- 17/03/05

    This is all fantastic. This fight between the proprietary world and the OSS/linux world is just getting more and more interesting and "desperate".
    I think we all know that the OSS approach will win.
    Now lets enjoy this desperate spectable.

    Among the top500 supercomputers more than 260 run linux (including the number 1,2 and 4).
    70% of the worlds web -sites run on OSS/Apache and most of them on linux.

    This fight is more worth and more important than the "first man on the moon".
    Also look at the "hidden" embedded part of this,
    like at:
    http://www.linuxdevices.com

    The inevitable outcome of this is creating a absolutly superb drama.

    This helps them "compete& ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    This helps them "compete" against IBM and HP? It looks like there will soon be one less "competitor!"

    This helps them "compete& ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    This helps them "compete" against IBM and HP? It looks like there will soon be one less "competitor!"

    This helps them "compete& ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    This helps them "compete" against IBM and HP? It looks like there will soon be one less "competitor!"

    I love it! It is about time so ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    I love it! It is about time some news agencies cover the truth about these "incredibly secure" and "FREE" OS alternatives.

    I love it! It is about time so ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    I love it! It is about time some news agencies cover the truth about these "incredibly secure" and "FREE" OS alternatives.

    EDS stole the name from the Ag ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    EDS stole the name from the Agile Alliance, and now spread FUD about Linux. The real Agile Alliance is at:
    http://agilealliance.org/

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/s ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/0,2000061744,39184950,00.htm

    hmm...seems they are a bit schizophrenic and can't make up their minds which one is worse.

    Thanks Mr. ED, [:-)], With tha ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    Thanks Mr. ED, [:-)],

    With that sort of comments, you draw a big smile in the faces of millions.

    Have you ever considered to change your career. You can be a fantastic comedian. Jim Carrey is a dwarf in comparison with you.

    Congratulations,

    Andrés González Cantú
    México

    This article is absolutely hil ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    This article is absolutely hilarious! It is very hard for me to think that Microsoft could say good things about Linux and open-source in general.

    Also, I don't understand why Dell can be part of this Alliance if they sell hardware with Linux on board!!!

    It's articles like this that scare me, and I am not joking. Rasmussen says that Linux is more expensive, but I'd love to see if he could somehow provide us with some details.

    I wonder why european companie ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    I wonder why european companies disagree so emphatically? the city of Munich certainly thinks otherwise...

    I wasn't sure if I should both ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    I wasn't sure if I should bother to add anything to the string of BS thats being thrown out here, but hell free speach and all:
    Its almost pointless to read anything these days on ZDnet or Slashdot for that matter cause everybody seems so biased on way or another: so here's my 2 cents:
    Windows desktop or server: Secure, rarely. Scalable/upgradable, wince while U install the latest service pack and hope for the best.
    Linux (insert your distro here): Everything linux is distro dependant, some are easy most aren't.
    I personally use debian-sid, I tried all the rest and spent more time fiddling than using until sid.
    Secure, depends on the person at the helm
    Scalable/upgradable, give your head a shake if you thought otherwise.

    Not mentioned (shame on the author)
    FreeBSD: Secure, by design via a single source. My server runs apache, samba,ftp and anything else I throw at it. Scalable/Upgradeable, of course, also usually on-time release schedule.
    MacOS: Secure, see above also maybe a little more due to obscurity. I personally haven't seen any large grouping of MacOS systems, so I can't comment on scalability.

    Scalable has got to be the dumbest buzz words I think I have ever heard. As well for that matter security almost falls into the same category as anyone is only secure as their last good backup. Any OS can be corrupted or otherwise messed up, oops with the exception of a livecd.
    Makes U think .

    City on Munich, an excellent e ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    City on Munich, an excellent example, project stalling, costs have blown out, now more expensive to acquire than the windows solutions (yes discounted). This was the press on March 16

    Running an open source desktop so you can virtualise a windows desktop (which you already own)to run your coew business application. Great solution to use and obviously very cheap too :-)

    EDS used linux as a case study ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    EDS used linux as a case study for their instant messaging environment. senior consultant even says the environment has increased stability and security. i could only image what they had before. carrier pigeons maybe? checkout their sabre holdings case study too... man they're reducing cost of ownership and increasing security all over with linux.

    Shame on ZDNet.au for printing ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    Shame on ZDNet.au for printing self-serving vendor opinions without including either analysis or an alternate viewpoint in the story. Iain Ferguson's lucid commentary should be read in tandem with Munir Kotadia's story, not buried in a link in the sidebar. The claim's by the Agility Alliance include no examples or analysis to back up their attacks, which run counter to the experiences of millions of Linux users (including EDS itself). Having just completed a comprehensive study comparing Linux 2.6 to Solaris 10 (available at http://www.rfgonline.com) that included in-depth interviews on user experiences with both OS offerings; it is hard to find a basis for the statements by Robb Rasmussen of EDS -- other than his desire to ****ist the business partners for whom he has financial responsibility.

    Unless you are brain dead it d ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    Unless you are brain dead it doesn't take much to realise that it's kinda like watching a Nissan ad telling you that Toyota's are crap. Microsoft is doing exactly what IBM did when they thought that MS Dos would be a sideshow to PC Dos. Good on ya Microsoft for learning from the mistakes of others.

    I don't think Linux needs to w ...Anonymous -- 18/03/05

    I don't think Linux needs to worry.
    EDS probably should be more concerned with some of the insecuew and unscalable systems they themselves have developed in South Australia (eg EDS Credit Services)

    Is Yahoo THAT desperate for hi ...Anonymous -- 19/03/05

    Is Yahoo THAT desperate for hits that they are willing to publish the words of someone who is obviously willing to make up lies and FUD to save his business?

    Every single statement is so false and so obviously wrong it only looks unintelligent and desperate. Plus you could change every Linux in the statement and replace it with the word Windows and it would actually make 10 times more sense...at least that way it would be true...

    Ah well...

    No, no, no. Your all totally m ...Anonymous -- 19/03/05

    No, no, no. Your all totally missing the point. You see:

    'scalability' - Ability to propigate stupid mistakes to the entire network easilly.

    'security' - Refers to the inconvenience of Linux security at making it harder to run unstable updates on an entire network by mistake.

    'stability' - The inability of such a failure to render every machine on the network unusable as a result.

    So, obviously EDS is right. Linux is totally unsutable with respect to EDS' usage. ;) lol

    Give credit where credit is du ...Anonymous -- 19/03/05

    Give credit where credit is due... A small lie would have been picked apart detail-by-detail. Where do you start with this steaming pile?

    http://www.eds.com/services/ca ...Anonymous -- 19/03/05

    http://www.eds.com/services/casestudies/eds_instant.aspx

    So who to believe? Both from the same company... Does this pretty much say that EDS's articles are pure crap?

    Ok, Ok! How has Mr. Robb Rasmu ...Anonymous -- 19/03/05

    Ok, Ok! How has Mr. Robb Rasmussen got that bad opinion about Linux ? Does he look into the linux code. Well, so, now, Mr. Robb Rasmussen, look into Windows code and told me how secure it could be ! I don't accept a "I can't" like a response.

    All I can say now is: Microsof ...Anonymous -- 20/03/05

    All I can say now is: Microsoft and all of its friends is suck. They just try to attack Linux by saying that Linux is unscalable and have many security risk. Just remember how bad MS-Windows are? How bad the stability and the security of Windows is? And how Microsoft drain all people's money by selling in high price? Many people wasting their money just to buy a very bad, very unsafe, very expensive Operating System. And now they (especially Microsoft) try to attack Linux as the free Operating System. Saying that Linux is bad? I'd use Linux for a long time and didn't have any problem with it till now. I can open the protected files (private files) in my harddisk, my NTFS harddisk which the OS is Windows XP SP2. It proof how bad the security of Windows is. And Windows have so many bug, security hole, broken things in it. PnP in Windows? Change it Plug and Pray. USB? My USB just become Universal Serial BUG in Windows. Microsoft just a plagiator, they take the concept of Mac Aqua MacOSX's LOOK N FEEL. Changing it to Luna Theme and get a popularity with it. How bad and how suck the way of Microsoft is. Lucky Apple didn't sue Microsoft at court for copying their concept. And now they say Linux is bla...bla... because they can't block the popularity of Linux nowadays. They (Microsoft C.S.) afraid of Linux will be the leader, so they try to make any bad issue about it. How a shame... Linux is the best!!!!!

    The author is a moron, and the ...Anonymous -- 21/03/05

    The author is a moron, and the editor is worse - for allowing publication of this ****te.

    As an EDS employee, I am techn ...Anonymous -- 21/03/05

    As an EDS employee, I am technically embarr****ed by Robb's comments. EDS is a company that is being run by and for the sales staff and accountants. They have no clue on the technology, the direction it is taking and are only worried about the current bottom line, not on functionality or the future usage/growth or future costs. This is how a once proud tech company can commit so many gaffes, where even techical education in a tech company, is considered an unnecessary expense. EDS is fighting tooth and nail from bringing in z-processors to replace their aging Hitachi skyline and Amdahl milleniums. That they will revert to scare tactics, in the hopes that their clients will go through an expensive and risky conversion of z/os to Solaris, rather than having them use a z-processor and convert at their convenience/leasure to Linux... or to keep their applications on z/os. They will point to Linux being 'unsecure' while not pointing out that Solaris is less secure than z/os and less scalable than Linux. All you have to ask on security is, if a user has root authority, can he access files, on another image, on a scaled Solaris system(answer YES), can he gain access to files on a Linux image on a z-processor(NO), can he gain access to a file on another z/os lpar(NO). If we are talking mainframe migration and security... lets talk apples to apples.

    Wow, all the opponents of Linu ...Anonymous -- 21/03/05

    Wow, all the opponents of Linux in one place telling people their own goods are better. All the while Sun and Dell will sell people machines with Linux on them to anyone that asks. This is just like Microsoft funded reports telling people windows is better. Why not ask people without an agenda? Like Government departments and schools that evaluated Linux and decided it was worth the swap. Half the reason it costs more to convert to Linux is because of all the effort MS went though to make changing from Windows so hard.

    EDS contradict themselves: htt ...Anonymous -- 22/03/05

    EDS contradict themselves: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1813634491;fp;2;fpid;1

    then why does EDS also run Sol ...Anonymous -- 24/03/05

    then why does EDS also run Solaris and IRIX on other sites?

    check netcraft

    Running SCARED........ Rex Alfie Lee -- 06/07/06

    Basically these poor replacements for a cause have lost their cause. They're running scared.

    Why? Because they have the hounds of Open-Source biting their toes. Not their heels, bcoz that would mean Linux is behind them, not their legs bcoz that would mean Linux is aside them, rather their toes bcoz Linux is so far better bcoz it is supported by more & done so out of desire rather than a time limit.

    Linux has had a better desktop than Windows basically since the desktop came of age for Linux & that would be about 7 or 8 years now. Yes, before the turn of the millenia. The only true failing for Linux is lack of hardware support but this is changing as with Windows security which is slowly improving. Linux doesn't have Windoze problems that way, never did & never will.

    Server Linux is so much better than Windoze server bcoz it's easier to set up. What! I hear you say but it's also cheaper. Easier! Yes easier & of course a lot cheaper. How much cheaper? Thousands!!!

    Why are these poorer cousins screaming foul of Linux? Because they are the poorer cousin & a lesser cousin & they'll die soon!

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