Ballmer repeats threats against Linux

Steve Ballmer has reissued Microsoft's patent threat against Linux, warning open-source vendors that they must respect his company's intellectual property.

In a no-nonsense presentation to New York financial analysts last week, Microsoft's chief executive said the company's partnership with Novell, which it signed in November 2006, "demonstrated clearly the value of intellectual property, even in the open-source world."

The cross-selling partnership means that Microsoft will recommend Suse Linux for customers who want a mixed Microsoft/open-source environment. It also involves a "patent co-operation agreement", under which Microsoft and Novell agreed not to sue each other's customers for patent infringement.

In a clear threat against open-source users, Ballmer repeated his earlier assertions that open source "is not free", referring to the possibility that Microsoft may sue Linux vendors. Microsoft has suggested that Linux software infringes some of its intellectual property, but has never named the patents in question.

Ballmer said: "I would not anticipate that we make a huge additional revenue stream from our Novell deal, but I do think it clearly establishes that open source is not free, and open source will have to respect the intellectual property rights of others just as any other competitor will."

"But I don't want to eliminate in your minds the notions of risk of pricing that comes from competition with open source. We are higher priced, but we bring greater value," Ballmer added.

Alongside the renewed threat over intellectual property, Ballmer was also bullish over winning large corporate accounts against Linux vendors. "We have done very well versus Linux on the desktop and on the server, and I am hopeful that we will build share, particularly in Web servers and high-performance clusters, from Linux in the next year," he told analysts.

But Red Hat's chief executive is not impressed. Addressing a Merrill Lynch conference on Monday, Matthew Szulik urged his customers to use up their open source tokens from the Microsoft/Novell partnership. These coupons entitle them to support and maintenance for Novell's Suse Linux Enterprise Server.

He said: "We certainly expect that there will be those cases where customers will consume those coupons. We're certainly encouraging one or two customers to consume all of them: let's get this over with."

As of January, Microsoft had already sold 35,000 open-source coupons out of the 70,000 it has committed to make available each year as part of the five year-partnership.

Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse and AIG Technologies are among those to take advantage of the Microsoft/Novell collaboration to roll out a mixed proprietary/open-source infrastructure.

Richard Thurston reported for ZDNet UK from London

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Talkback 51 comments

  1. Rack off ballmer Anonymous -- 21/02/07

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. $MS was born and has continued to thrive on stolen technology - proven in court. Perhaps ballmer should concentrate on repairing the company's image to a world who is now very aware of who they actually are.

    1. True inventor of the MS-DOS (not many people know this) Fred -- 01/03/08

      Bill Gates bought QDOS from pattersson. QDOS is a microcode translation from CP/M to x86 architecture.

      If you want to know the truth look it up.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kildall

      Don't miss this online video from the internet archive which describes the issue in great detail.

      http://www.archive.org/details/GaryKild

      Bill Gates has not invented DOS and neither has pattersson.

  2. Ballmer should put up or shut up Michael Crichton -- 21/02/07

    "Microsoft has suggested that Linux software infringes some of its intellectual property, but has never named the patents in question."

    Is it the American way to make these sorts of suggestions without backing them up, a la the situation with David Hicks?

    1. Time Anonymous -- 21/02/07

      It gives them time to create an argument, change the law or try to disolve external critisism. Typical yank govt and yank big business stratagy (FUD). Scary thing is that this rubs off on our liberal govt. I certainly don't fancy me or my kids living in a world like that.

    2. Ballmer is full of it. Anonymous -- 22/02/07

      Mr. Crichton, Steve Ballmer's actions in no way represent the American way of thinking. I believe that Ballmer is a money crazed nutjob, and that he's just jealous of his competition. Not all Americans are stupid like Bush.

    3. Can't Compete Charles Tryon -- 22/02/07

      It's not just that he's a crazed nutjob. The problem is that Microsoft is still trying to figure out how to complete with Open Source. (A) They can't compete on price, even when you figure in support costs. (B) They can't compete on quality. Vista may be better than XP, which was a lot better than Win9x, but Open Source is getting better just as fast, if not faster.

      The only way he knows how to stay ahead is to start muttering vague threats about IP, and hope that corporate bean-counters will panic. Funny they didn't learn their lesson with SCO. Unfortunately, corporate USA has a Very Short Attention Span.

  3. This is a joke. Anonymous -- 21/02/07

    If BAllmer even DARED to pull anything like that then IBM, Sun, ORACLE, Redhat etc would fry them in oil and wee on the embers.

    ALl the big guns have built up huge patent warchests and you can be sure that Microsoft also infringes of some patent somewhere that someone holds.

    The thing that stops a general patent war is the Mutually Assured Destruction that would result.
    Microsoft will do exactly diddly squat except use FUD tactics to combat Linux because they KNOW that if they tried anything then IBM or someone would drag them into court and suddenly all the SQLServer users in the whole world would find themselves in breach of law and under cease and desist orders.
    And the other Big Gun companies have already said they would aggressively defend any patent infringement actions bought by Microsoft against Linux users.

    This is all just classic FUD from Ballmer, there's more chance of Hell freezing over.

    1. Microsoft is a comany... Anonymous -- 22/02/07

      Just like any other.

      Microsoft should be alright regardless if Linux or any other Operating System beats them in the OS market. (Finux?)

      Please, everyone, try to see this from Steve Balmers point of view...

      When he is put on the spot and asked about a competitor, he can't exactly talk about them in glowing terms. (though people do respect that as we'll, in this case predominately) That's one aspect of dirty but legal business.

      It is no wonder they pull out hostile tactics...

      With the direction Microsoft had set for it's previous Operating Systems, user friendliness to the point of uselessness, how can they compete with Linux?

      Microsoft cannot give everyone what they want, but neither can Linux or Solaris.

  4. WTF does this guy get off? Anonymous -- 22/02/07

    he is just unbelievable. "We are higher priced, but we bring greater value." Value, like, as in we cost businesses more money because you need to hire a giant squad of IT nerds o manage your pathetic servers with oodles of buffer-overflawed (read right) code?

    F.U.

    From Canada -- and stay the f out of our government

    1. WTFLMFAO john S -- 31/03/07

      lol
      totally agree

  5. Excuse me? Anonymous -- 22/02/07

    Dear Mr. Ballmer,
    How EXACTLY does you having a deal with Novell mean that you have IP claims against the rest of the OSS world?

    Just because you have a deal with ONE VENDOR does not mean that everyone who was using Linux BEFORE YOU MADE THAT DEAL is infringing your IP.

    Linux is not your IP or you'd be selling it already.

    Case closed, I rest on your face.

    1. it's about time john S -- 31/03/07

      people realised that
      those guys would sell their anal virginity if they still had it

  6. Not so fast, Monkey Boy! Jonathan Yarden -- 22/02/07

    Whenever I hear the name Steve Ballmer, I recall the video of his hilarious "dancing monkey" behavior on stage at a M$ developer conference. I'm still laughing about that!

    As for suing Linux vendors, who cares what this troll says? M$ is a tired, entrenched stalward of the IT industry, clinging desparately to a market they honestly belive they created and own. The only people who really care about M$ are stockholders. Everyone else has already moved on to embracing open source.

    Why doesn't M$ stop threatening to spend money with their army of legal trolls and spend the money on making their software cheaper, more secure and reliable? If there wasn't a compelling reason to switch to Linux, nobody would. If M$ wants to truly innovate, they should start by getting rid of Monkey Boy Ballmer. His tenure isn't producing good results - just look at XP and Vista. Linux would not even be on the radar if M$ had done a better job on their own software. M$ brought this on themselves.

  7. Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud Fud Dirk Diggler -- 22/02/07

    Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud Fud.

    Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud Fud!

    Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud, Fud Fud Fud Fud Fud.

  8. SCO II? Sam -- 22/02/07

    How does this differ from the SCO dustup?

  9. err.. No nonsense? Anonymous -- 22/02/07

    I think Ballmer is all about the nonsense! He's just Tony Soprano out to collect protection money from the little shops down software St.

    What are we told to do when bullies hassle us? Ignore them. So that's what everyone should do.

    I heard this similarity association on The Linux Action Show podcast recently. Mad props to Bryan and Chris.

  10. Sounds a lot like someone who feels threatened. Anonymous -- 22/02/07

    ...because he's got little to offer, so he gets violent against the competition. He's like one of those ugly guys who can't watch a movie starring Brad Pitt without asserting that Pitt must be stupid, or a bad person, because he knows he's just far less attractive.

  11. What's Next Microsoft Linux Stewart Graham -- 22/02/07

    Microsoft is looking to strong arm itself into another OS monopoly. First it cleared the market of any "dos like" competition to its MS-DOS and then Windows operating system. Now it intends to do the same with linux. I hate government regulation like everyone else but something has to stop this " Technology bully".

    1. They bought DOS anyway, not MAKE it Anonymous -- 05/03/07

      Come on, Disk Operating System is a load of crap -- it was originally Q-DOS or Quick and Dirty OS, back in the IBM days when Microsoft was just piggybacking on "Big Blue"... Or so my Cisco IT Essentials course tells me, lol. I'm only 19, but I find the origin of the acronym funny.

      Bill Gates is just a "good businessman" who got lucky.

  12. "no nonsense"??? Anonymous -- 22/02/07

    IF Ballmer had code snippets from Linux IN HAND proving that Linux held some of Microsoft's "IP" I doubt he'd be shooting his mouth off in the press. Microsoft would be in court because that is EXACTLY what the law requires. IF an IP holder KNOWS of a violation of their "property" they MUST inform the infringer of the exact areas of infringement (ie, show them the code) in order that the infringer may mitigate the damages. It is not lawful to fail to inform so as to let the damages build.
    Now we know who McBride learned his PR skills from.

  13. Presumption not proof Anonymous -- 22/02/07

    Ballmer knows that FUD convinces those in a deadlock over Windows or Linux to think about not taking the risk.

    Migrating to Linux is a risk and Ballmer it trying to make it seem even more riskly.

    But it's about time people started asking for proof and about time he stopped presuming that white room reverse engineering is the same as theft.

    Ballmer also forgets that the Linux kernel is developed around the world and that the laws are different in each country.

    There would have been no IBM-PC clone industry without the reverse engineering done by Compaq.

  14. Ballmer repeats threats against Linux Anonymous -- 22/02/07

    Please, rest of planet Earth, do not judge America by the actions of idiots like this.
    Having an agreement with Novell has NOTHING to do with owning GPL code developed LONG BEFORE the "agreement". Ballmer is as dumb as he is audacious.
    This fool is the REASON people are looking to Linux on the desktop. Putting money in this jackasses hands leaves one wanting a chemical shower to defunk the BS. What a complete jack ****
    Don't buy Vista. Don't buy Linux from Novell.
    Punish them with dollars (the lack thereof).

  15. Ballmer, Ballmer Ballmer... Anonymous -- 22/02/07

    The poor guy must be scared shitless. Linux is taking off like a bat out of hell. I'm deploying Linux thin client networks in educational environments because the people in charge of education spending for districts are sick of shoveling money into the M$ dumptruck. They are SO happy about Linux and open source because it is not only free, but OPEN. As in, LEARNING. Fits perfectly into an educational environment.

    And I see no way we're infringing upon any MS patents. We're not using Samba, or anything that steps on Microsoft's toes. That's the way I made it. And that's, coincidentally, what's working best. No M$, no support nightmares.

    1. SAMBA infringing on MS ??? Anonymous -- 22/02/07

      Mate, don't let something like that stop you.
      SAMBA is completely reverse engineered, something explicitey allowed. Plus, SAMBA is merely using the SMB half-standards that MS themselves released.

      There are absolutely NO patent infringement considerations with SAMBA and I would urge anyone to use it if wanted, it's a fantastic product!

    2. But you don't KNOW Charles Tryon -- 22/02/07

      Ah, the beauty of patents is that you never KNOW when you are infringing them. It's not like copyright. If you copy something, presumably you know what you have done. Therefore, it's usually pretty easy to avoid violating copyrights, as long as you're careful.

      Patents, on the other hand, don't require you to know that you are breaking the law. You can come up with an idea completely separately, and if someone else patented it first, you're screwed.

      Microsoft has about a gazillion patents, and they are adding thousands every year. There's got to be something that they've patented that Linux is doing. In theory, if you can prove you did it FIRST, then you can invalidate the patent, but that is expensive, and there's a good chance most companies will simply cave in rather than take things all the way to court.

  16. Ballmer is a tool Anonymous -- 22/02/07

    a new MS based jingle:

    To the tune of "Jingle Bells"

    Microsoft, microsoft,
    fear, uncertainty, denial
    all this FUD and money
    spent on feeding us this bile

    Microsoft, Microsoft
    We'll follow them like sheep
    Installing windows vista
    on computers that aren't cheap

  17. samba is great, but patents are dangerous dirk diggler -- 22/02/07

    Even though samba was cleanly reverse engineered, that only protects against copyright issues. Patents (which is what Chair-chucker McMonkeyboy is talking about here) are all about the underlying idea and method. They grant a limited monopoly on doing something- regardless of how it is implemented- if the idea is the same.

    1. So what patents? Anonymous -- 23/02/07

      So Samba uses MS patents then? AFAIK, the SMB protocol is not patented or patentable, therefore the moment that anyone at MS names what patents are actually crossed, then that particular method will be worked-around.

  18. What the future might hold Anonymous -- 22/02/07

    It'll be fun, if there ever is a serious attempt to prove that Linux violates Microsoft patents, to see if the opposite might be true: if Microsoft has ever incorporated GPL'd code in any of their products.

    1. of course they have john S -- 31/03/07

      i think we have violated them too, but more likely in the sense that people are using a product that does not line MS pockets, anyway, i'm not worried about them showing up at my house to strongarm me or sue me for using linux, they have bigger fish to fry, like gaining back some of their slipping marketshare, i know there are people at NOVELL who hate ubuntu, but it took more marketshare from MS than any other distro, which says a lot really, for the marketing principal of it, if MS wanted to stop people using linux, they should release a viable secure product, so i don't have to run my laptop just to do a virus scan.....who has time to do that, i'd rather shut down and do something with my kids
      r.e. your post.........microsoft has unix code in the IP stack, or thats what i was told

  19. What's that this guy's taking? admin -- 22/02/07

    I don't know, but I want it too!

  20. Reacting M$ Anonymous -- 23/02/07

    “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

    Mahatma Gandhi

  21. Ballmer repeats threat against linux Anonymous -- 23/02/07

    Hey everyone this is just another Ballmer Belch.
    A staffer probably told him he wasn't getting much
    media notice lately, so he had to let one loose at his
    favorite top of mind boogey man.
    Stand at ease.

  22. who cares :) Ned -- 23/02/07

    Linux software for Linux fans. We don't need M$ products and certainly don't care if they dominate the market.
    however, it must irritate them else they would not go our of their way to keep commenting :)

  23. who cares :) Ned -- 23/02/07

    Linux software for Linux fans. We don't need M$ products and certainly don't care if they dominate the market.
    however, it must irritate them else they would not go our of their way to keep commenting :)

  24. haha Microsoft's gettin scared of Linux, i thought it doesnt mater if windows is Anonymous -- 23/02/07

    by the time microsoft finishes off Novel as a competitor they will have enough boys in congress paid off to make sure they will get what they want.

    Just a theory here microsoft made windows file sharing, I think actually if they dont want other os's talking to them then they should get what they want.
    Then the samba team can switch to making a protocol for windows that goes with the Linux file sharing protocol. problem solved microsoft can then twiddle there thumbs on how to continue being the big man on campus.

    It'd be real neat to see some major web sites start blocking Internet Explorer, you only have the zelots doint that at this time.. lol

    Bill gates in the 80's "it doesnt mater if its not better"

  25. Go Steve, book em John -- 23/02/07

    Ballmer is 100% correct, of course and if you are worried by anything that may be detrimental to your business in the long term buy SUSE from Novell and you are automatically protected via the agreement between Novell and Microsoft.

    Pretty easy when you get past the hype and religion

    1. johhny boy Anonymous -- 24/02/07

      The matrix has you. Swallow the red pill....

    2. OK...your turn... helios -- 24/02/07

      You've got to be kidding me? In 6 months Novell's Suse will be so riddled with MS code that it will be Linux in name only. You go ahead and capitulate if you like. There are those with both courage and foresight that will not. Besides, this is a move out of fear...MS can ONLY lose market share from here on in...they can not gain any more. The Finance and Business projection guys have already told them to either destroy Linux or adapt...personally I don't think MS is capable of either

      Do you prefer your name spelled with a capital Q or a small q.

      Q as in Quisling

  26. Don't agree with you at all! Rex Alfie Lee -- 26/02/07

    Why wouldn't people use Linux or other open-software? Just because Microsoft's software sucks, doesn't mean that if it didn't there wouldn't be many of us that would still want Linux around.

    Some people actually like that Linux isn't that huge. Basically we can do what we like to it whereas with MS we're not allowed.

    The fact is Linux is a better operating system & is based on Unix which has been around for a lot longer than Microsux has. It is improving at an exponential rate, unlike MS, & already this silly version of Windows is behind in its desktop. Mind you, MS has been behind in the desktop versions for quite a long time.

  27. I seriously doubt .. Anonymous -- 26/02/07

    if BALLMER has got any BALLS, _at_least_one, except the
    one in his name. Prove it, BALLMER.

  28. A NETBUI Internet world Anonymous -- 27/02/07

    I remember a time when Microsofties were anti TCP/IP and sided with Novell's IPX/SPX technology when no corporation could replicate their NETBUI LAN/WAN assertions. Eventually the Microsofties caved in to a better technology and tried to let everyone know they invented it by starting the browser wars.

    Ballmer is only in it for the money, just check out his stereotypical religion.

    1. Wrong John -- 28/02/07

      NetBeui and NETBios are IBM inventions

    2. 2 wrongs don't make a right Anonymous -- 05/03/07

      So was DOS but the microsofties made the most money out of it. Do you detect a theme here?

    3. True inventor of the MS-DOS (not many people know this) Fred -- 01/03/08

      Bill Gates bought QDOS from pattersson. QDOS is a microcode translation from CP/M to x86 architecture.

      If you want to know the truth look it up.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kildall

      Don't miss this online video from the internet archive which describes the issue in great detail.

      http://www.archive.org/details/GaryKild

      Bill Gates has not invented DOS and neither has pattersson.

  29. IP Protection, please address my fears. Scared Of Microsoft -- 28/02/07

    Dear Mr Balmer,

    the IP protection I am most interested in hearing you talk about is the protection of my IP from your company's updating and genuine advantage system.

    That system appears able to install and remotely execute code which could give your company complete control of my desktop should you choose to excersize it.

    Rightly or wrongly I therefore perceive that _everything_ on my PC is an open book not only to your company but also to any terrorist, hacker or disgruntled ex Microsoft employee able to imitate your company's service.

    You should be aware that I am not some Linux zealot ranting against Microsoft security. Indeed we have been using Microsoft products since your software was written to run on other people's operating systems and came on 8 inch floppy disks. We are mainly on XP though we are running a couple of DOS5 / Win 3.1 machines where reliability is critical.

    Please address my fears.

  30. Iowa Consumer unclesmrgol -- 01/03/07

    Check out Comes v. Microsoft in Iowa. The plaintiff site at iowaconsumercase.org is locked now as a result of Microsoft settling the suit, but behind the lock is a whole library of Microsoft memoranda detailing how Microsoft took down DRDOS, OS/2, Lotus, Netscape, and how hard they've worked to limit choices at the OEM level. Ballmer's comical attempts against Linux are just more of the same; my work customer (the United States Government) is adopting Linux just as fast as it can, because the system is more secure, the software more reliable, and, on the bottom line, less costly to procure (particularly for gridded blade systems) and less costly to maintain. Nothing Ballmer or anyone else at Microsoft says is going to change this central fact of life.

    1. hope it dose not have anything to do with ps3 linux Anonymous -- 13/03/07

      i hope this Novell buyout has not got at least something to do with the ps3 running Linux and hoping to safeguard their options to get access to blu-ray if hd-dvd fails ?

  31. Steve "I'm gonna f**king kill Google" Ballmer Rex Alfie Lee -- 22/03/07

    He's a pointless & desperate man looking for some way to be relevant. But he's NOT......never was, never will be....

    1. he just wants john S -- 31/03/07

      a little bit of validation in his life
      think it might be a mid life crisis
      he should go out and buy a new ferari instead

  32. lmfao archie gates -- 31/03/07

    if that tool ever tells me what to use in my own house, i'll kick his fu(king head in
    now thats how big boys make threats steve

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