Aust open source drama echoes SCO fight

Australian courts may soon host a legal drama reminiscent of the open source legal watershed brought about when SCO sued IBM for allegedly misappropriating its Unix intellectual property and distributing it in Linux.

Deacons solicitor, Nick Abrahams today revealed he was in pre-court negotiations to defend a legal case in which a large IT company was attempting to use provisions of the open source General Public License to force his client to reveal its proprietary code.

The un-named company -- which Abrahams today described as "quite a significant gorilla in the Australian market" -- has accused his client of using open source code alongside its proprietary code. If proven, the allegation would force the developer to share its source code with the open source community.

Abrahams said the case had the potential to set a precedent in Australian common law.

"If your organisation uses a piece of open source code and that code contains or in any way touches proprietary code that you're using, then, potentially, there's the obligation to make the proprietary code available to the rest of the open source community," said Abrahams.

Abrahams' revelation was part of a wider set of warnings on the legal risks associated with using open source software in which he discussed the SCO's legal claim against IBM at length.

While he was dismissive of SCO's claim, repeating views that its claim is largely vexatious and "may fall away", he did raise concerns about the impact that software patents may have on the open source community and its software.

Deacons contend that the patents, which can place intellectual property controls on broad methodologies used to implement software, could stifle open source development.

The solicitor's comments intersect strongly with work being carried out by IP Australia in its review of rules applied for patenting business process methods. The review was understood to be a response to a welter of disputes over business process patents that have arisen since the U.S. changed intellectual property laws.

Amazon and Barnesandnoble.com's highly public stoush over a one-click online shopping cart application, which began in October 1999 brought these disputes into the mainstream. The issue was revived in 2002 when Overture sued Google on the strength of the Yahoo-subsidiary's intellectual property claims over the latter's pay-per-click and auction systems.

IT heavyweights Microsoft and IBM, were two players whose patent portfolios cast a particularly dark shadow over the open source community, according to Abraham.

He said that whilst IBM had publicly committed to taking a hands-off approach -- not allowing its patents to impinge on the open source arena -- Microsoft's position was less clear.

"Microsft has a number of patents that could be breached by various permutations of Linux -- Microsoft has not come out and said it won't use its patent portfolio to threaten the open source community," he said.

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    Abrahams should get a clue and ...Anonymous -- 20/09/04

    Abrahams should get a clue and read the GPL.

    He states:

    "If your organisation uses a piece of open source code and that code contains or in any way touches proprietary code that you're using, then, potentially, there's the obligation to make the proprietary code available to the rest of the open source community,"

    This is wrong on several fronts.

    1) Proprietary code, like DB2, Lotus Notes and Oracle SQL server all 'touch' open source code (i.e Linux) THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THESE PROPRIETARY APPS HAVE TO BE OPEN SOURCED! You have to copy chunks of GPL code into your application for there to be any onflow effects.

    2) Only if you derive code from a GPL application, must you GIVE YOUR DERIVATION SOURCE CODE TO THE USER WHO YOU GIVE THE APPLICATION BINARIES TO. You DO NOT have to give this code back to the 'community'.

    Sheesh! And this guy is a freakin' laywer?

    I nearly fell into the same tr ...Anonymous -- 20/09/04

    I nearly fell into the same trap as Anon-e-mouse.

    "If your organisation uses a piece of open source code and that code contains or in any way touches proprietary code that you're using, then, potentially, there's the obligation to make the proprietary code available to the rest of the open source community," said Abrahams.

    Remember whose side Abrahams is on. He appears to be quoting statement from someone giving the opposing view. Perhaps someone would like to Google some of the phrases to find their origin. The word "touching" is probably significant.

    e.g. "Except that if the proprietary touches the other, then it supposedly gets destroyed. I mean ask CISCO. Anybody heard from CISCO? They're getting attacked by them at this very point right now on their Linksys acquisition. You have the drug, the biotech, companies. You go and put together a new drug formula, and because it's software and touches GPL, if you're not careful, that gets destroyed. So I think it's a very dangerous setting we're talking about."
    ---Darl McBride

    Abrahams is a lawyer and I would expect him to be very careful in what he says in public. I am sure that he has been quoted out of context.

    I nearly fell into the same tr ...Anonymous -- 20/09/04

    I nearly fell into the same trap as Anon-e-mouse.

    "If your organisation uses a piece of open source code and that code contains or in any way touches proprietary code that you're using, then, potentially, there's the obligation to make the proprietary code available to the rest of the open source community," said Abrahams.

    Remember whose side Abrahams is on. He appears to be quoting statement from someone giving the opposing view. Perhaps someone would like to Google some of the phrases to find their origin. The word "touching" is probably significant.

    e.g. "Except that if the proprietary touches the other, then it supposedly gets destroyed. I mean ask CISCO. Anybody heard from CISCO? They're getting attacked by them at this very point right now on their Linksys acquisition. You have the drug, the biotech, companies. You go and put together a new drug formula, and because it's software and touches GPL, if you're not careful, that gets destroyed. So I think it's a very dangerous setting we're talking about."
    ---Darl McBride

    Abrahams is a lawyer and I would expect him to be very careful in what he says in public. I am sure that he has been quoted out of context.

    I think that he should talk to ...Anonymous -- 21/09/04

    I think that he should talk to someone at the Free Software Foundation RSN - that's not how the GPL works, and if he goes into court with that sort of misunderstanding, he's going to be in big trouble (as will his client).

    Also ZDNET Australia, which is a major industry voice has a responsibility to post accurate information. This story should be re-written at once.

    It's a complex issue. The whol ...Anonymous -- 21/09/04

    It's a complex issue. The whole debate about whether "static"/"dynamic" linking triggers redistribution obligations means that it is far from clear that it is only where you "copy chunks of GPL code into your application" that there is a redistribution obligation. Maybe there is good touching and bad touching?

    Abrahams is wrong. Anon-e-mou ...Anonymous -- 21/09/04

    Abrahams is wrong. Anon-e-mouse is right, sort of.

    First of all. The GPL is a licence. It gives you permission to do certain things (subject to certain conditions) which you are otherwise prohibited from doing by copyright law. If you do things not sanctioned by the GPL then it is nothing more or less than a copyright infringement. I do not know what penalties copyright infringers in Australia face, but I have never heard of anyone being forced to open-source their work. The usual penalties are monetary, and being subject to an injunction not to infringe further. Of course many infringers have *chosen* to settle the copyright holder's claim by open-sourcing their work, but that is a different matter entirely.

    Both of the points Anon-e-mouse makes are correct, however, his second point is perhaps misleading. Although you only need to distrubute source to those to whom you give binaries, you must also licence that code under the GPL, which permits recipients to redistribute to anyone one.

    Copyright is no different for ...Anonymous -- 23/09/04

    Copyright is no different for proprietary closed source code or open source code. You just have to adhere to the licencing conditions. Of course there are always friendly negotiations in the open source community. If this had been proprietary or shared source code you could bet the licence holders would be screaming for the criminal prosecution of the offenders and the destruction of their companies. You choose.

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