Anger as EU ignores open-source video

More than 7,000 angry Linux users have protested against the European Union after it excluded them from viewing streaming videos.

The EU makes streaming videos of many of its most important council debates and press conferences available online. However, this service only works on Windows and Apple computers.

Stefan Esterer, a member of computing staff from Austria's University of Salzburg who is also involved with Debian, created an online petition last Friday which calls on the EU to stop excluding open-source users. At the time of writing, 7,600 people had already signed up.

Jonah Naylor is one of the latest to sign the petition. He wrote: "Linux is about freedom and choice, something that the EU should be trying to protect for its people, not steal away from them."

Another, Tony Pikus, said: "It is wrong for you to support only a closed system, which is owned and controlled by a company outside of the EU. You should support open standards so all can see and read."

Although the EU Council could not be reached immediately for comment, its Web site stated: "The live streaming media service of the Council of the European Union can be viewed on Microsoft Windows and Macintosh platforms." It added: "We cannot support Linux in a legal way. So the answer is: No support for Linux."

The EU uploads the videos in the .wmv file format, meaning only Windows and Mac users can view them.

The streaming service also properly supports just two browsers: Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator. Individuals wanting to use Firefox or Opera, for example, will find that only minimal functionality is offered.

For those browsers: "No possibilities to use the Table of Contents for positioning the streaming. All the buttons for the player will disappear," said the EU's site.

Richard Thurston of ZDNet UK reported from London

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  1. RE: Anger as EU ignores open-source video Anonymous -- 04/01/07

    Is it possible for you to put in links when you write stories? In this case, a link to the petition, and one to the EU streaming site would be good. I'm sure you write stories that you regard as of more than passing interest to your readers. By not putting in links you are forcing them to go and try and find them. Compare this to The Register (www.theregister.co.uk) which does a splendid job in this regard.

  2. What is their motivation here Anonymous -- 04/01/07

    7000 people wanting to watch a live stream of boring EU council meetings seems a bit rich to me. My guess is that 100 actually want to watch the stream and the other 6900 just want to whinge that they dont support Linux so they can have another bash at Microsoft and Apple.

    If there is one thing the open source community is good at, is jumping on a band wagon to push its cause.

    On the issue of browser support for their website why ask the EU to redevelop their website to support Firefox and the like, Why dont you ask Firefox to redevelop their browser to give you the functionality that netscape and IE users have had for so long.

    1. Access to public information Anonymous -- 04/01/07

      Regarding whinging because members of the public cannot access the public record:

      Those video feeds are in Microsoft Windows Media format. They say they only play in Windows Media Player version 10. They say this is to protect the digital rights to the public record. They say this will only play in certain browsers.

      Locking up public information into one proprietary format that demands software from one monopoly vendor that comes from a foreign power sounds a bit like putting all history into the Library at Alexandria so that an invading army could burn it.

      A few points:
      Apple does not support Windows Media Format in any form. Microsoft does not supply a Windows Media player for Apple any longer. Microsoft is attempting to monopolise all media and this is part of their game. Getting their proxies to sue Apple because the iPod does not play Windows Media format is another part of their hegemony. They fight viciously. I think they are responsible for Bush being elected so the Clinton attempt to bring Microsoft to obey the law would be crushed.

      In-spite of all that ranting I would like to point out that the video feeds are not currently in WMV 10 format even though they say they are. They do not currently have Digital Rights managment applied (which would make it so only Windows computers could play them). They play fine in any browser on the Macintosh including Firefox because this has nothing to do with the browser but rather the plug-in to play the media. Microsoft provides a plug-in to Quicktime to play older format Windows Media. Firefox and other browsers like Safari and Opera are way more advanced that IE. We are all at Microsofts mercy unless we take action to avoid their insidious plan for world domination.

    2. Netscape vs. Firefox Anonymous -- 07/01/07

      Not quite fond of the latter lately (and as the other reply said, it probably depends more on the plugin than the browser, when it comes to player controls), but I certainly haven't even seen the first one in three years. Netscape Navigator 6 is ancient, and firefox is more or less a descendant of it (with a load of bug fixes and new bugs too of course), using the same plugin format.

      Them saying they support Netscape 6+ but they don't support Firefox just shows a certain amount of incompetence on their side -- both things run Gecko, it's really not all that different.

      On the linux users' behaviour -- I guess you have a point there. There /is/ a good amount of bandwaggoning going on.

  3. 7000 people wanting to watch a live stream Sorin Nemes -- 17/02/07

    7000 people wanting to watch... - is not the reason. U dont understand - It's about Offense against Freedom.

    The FLV format exist for the same reason - TO REDUCE HOLES ON ACTUAL VIDEO OVER WEB PARADIGM. FLV is OS agnostic because Flash Player is crossplatform. A Flash WebPlayer can support more controls than WMW.

    Etc.

    This petition it's about EU Council xenophobia, and about the Democracy - Some peoples there are MS servants.

    to EU Council : - if U are too old to accept a world in change - go home, goto sleep, let youth to decide about their future.

    With respect in voice,

    SorinN

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