GNOME: We've overtaken Windows, bring on Apple

Brendon Chase, ZDNet Australia

15 September 2004 01:16 PM

Tags: apple, os x, windows, jeff, brendon, waugh, chase, gnome

An upgraded GNOME desktop environment for Linux and Unix is due for release this Wednesday, with its authors pitching enhanced features for end-users and a commitment to make hardware "just work".

Popular Linux and Unix desktop environments such as GNOME and KDE have traditionally appealed to geeks with time to spend on tweaking new hardware configurations and knowledge of Unix commands. However, with the upcoming release of GNOME version 2.8, the project is expected to increase its useability for mere mortals in the computing industry.

Jeff Waugh, Head Beekeeper of the GNOME project, was enthusiastic about the new features in the upcoming release.

"The major things we've worked on for this release is integration of our collaboration tools and integration with the underlying operating system so hardware just works," Waugh told Builder AU.

Included in the new release will be the Evolution 2 groupware suite developed by Novell's Ximian, with enhanced calendar features and a new easier-to-use interface.

The Vino package provides a Virtual Network Computing server that integrates with GNOME, allowing users to export their running desktop to another computer for remote use or diagnosis.

One of the key features in the upcoming release -- hardware support -- seeks to deal with one of the most significant problems facing Linux and Unix desktop environments. Waugh is keen to promote new hardware integration tools which make it easier for users to plug in new devices.

"One of the coolest features is volume management for the way you plug in devices like USB keys, CD-ROMs, DVDs and digital cameras," Waugh said. "If you plug in a digital camera, for example, the photo management application starts up.

"This makes it really easy for new users who don't know how to do crazy mounting things like the old Unix way. We do away with that and just make it work".

It is believed this technology is still evolving and the next step is to increase printer support without users having to load drivers.

Asked whether GNOME was just a clone of Windows, Waugh said GNOME 2.6 had achieved parity with the features of Microsoft's operating system. The new release, he claimed, was moving past Windows and was now targeting Apple's OS X operating system.

"With six month release cycles with GNOME and enhancements like Evolution we can deliver visible end-user improvements much faster and integrate these types of things much faster than Microsoft can," Waugh claimed.

"In terms of feature parity with the basic Windows desktop we've done it and we're already there. When it comes to enterprise management we need to do some work there and when you compare GNOME to features like in OS X we're almost there," he added.

GNOME project leaders have beefed up security for the latest release after an incident when the distribution of version 2.6 was stalled by a cracker.

"We have shifted our server hosting facility for better support, upgraded to the latest version of Linux, modified protocols for giving users accounts and started a shift towards encrypted links to the code repository," Waugh told Builder AU.

While a move to GNOME 3.0 might seem a logical next step for the project, no plans have yet been made. It is believed the group wants to move to a higher level programming language such as Mono or an open source version of Java.

"There will be a 2.10 release and I don't see forsee within the next two or three releases a GNOME 3.0," Waugh said.

"With the language discussion, there has been talk of using Mono or Java, concentrating on the free derivative of Java that already compiles the Eclipse IDE. Because Sun hasn't open sourced Java itself--real Java--it becomes impossible for GNOME to use it because we've made a commitment to free software".

However, so far there has been no decision.

Waugh conceded that the decision to move to a higher level programming language is partly a political one. Two major corporate backers of the GNOME project have competing technologies-- Novell with the Mono project and Sun Microsystems with Java.

"In the meantime a lot of software has been written in Python," he said. "But, as yet we have not written anything in the official GNOME release in a language other than C. We have included bindings for Java, so you can use the GNOME libraries directly from Java which means you don't have to use that awful Swing. We also have C++, Perl and Python bindings. All are supported we just haven't committed to any of them yet for core GNOME modules".

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  1. oh gnome, sweet deluded gnome... you have a long hard road if you want to match apple. i don't even think you really have windows beat yet. Anonymous -- 15/09/04

    oh gnome, sweet deluded gnome... you have a long hard road if you want to match apple. i don't even think you really have windows beat yet.

  2. I love Linux and all things Unix, but just saying that you have windows beaten doesn't make it so. GNOME may be improving rapidly, but as long as their goal remains duplicating windows with slight variations, they'll never overtake it. Like som Anonymous -- 15/09/04

    I love Linux and all things Unix, but just saying that you have windows beaten doesn't make it so.

    GNOME may be improving rapidly, but as long as their goal remains duplicating windows with slight variations, they'll never overtake it. Like someone tailgating on the motorway, the best they can hope for is to bump gently into the back of the windows juggernaut and hook on a tow rope.

    Linux and FreeBSD are definitely a better starting point than the NT kernel in many respects (especially latency and security), but without a usable GUI they're about as likely to take over the desktop as a giant glowing purple slug is.

    Miguel and the rest of the Ximian crew should be putting more effort into making something so good that they don't need to spout this kind of tripe to bring attention to GNOME. It's not good enough to hitch your wagon to the end of the Mac or Windows train like a caboose, which is what both GNOME and KDE are doing currently, there needs to be genuine focus on being significantly better than anything else for Linux to gain serious traction with developers and users.

    All this talk is just that, talk. When I look at GNOME all I see is an interface that can't decide whether it wants to be a cheap knockoff of Windows or Mac OS. Forget them and try to be the best GUI anywhere. Neither are as good as a GUI can be.

  3. That Gnome have past windows in terms of usability is certainly true. It was probably true even in Gnome 2.4. This doesn't mean that it is past Windows in terms of the number of available applications that use all the new stuff in Gnome. Un Anonymous -- 15/09/04

    That Gnome have past windows in terms of usability is certainly true. It was probably
    true even in Gnome 2.4.

    This doesn't mean that it is past Windows in terms of the number of available applications that use all the new stuff in Gnome. Until that happens most IT managers will continue to buy windows.

    This situation is no surprise. The development speed of Gnome have been extreeme. In just just
    two years Gnome have evolved from something buglaiden, barely usable to a top contender in the deskop arena. No wonder, that application support is lacking for the time being.

    However as the quality and interoperability of various free desktops increases, I expect that we will have more and more applications as time goes by.

    Given the speed in development Gnome have shown since the start of the 2.x series, both Microsoft and Apple will have to watch out for this. As an example I would not be surprised if many of the features Microsoft intend for Longhorn will see the light of day in Gnome before we see it in any Microsft product.

  4. Gnome has certainly become a desktop for every-day use. The improvements made in the 2.x series are simply amazing. I would suggest that Gnome is the most usable desktop environment available today. If you want a deskop that Just Works, give Gno Anonymous -- 16/09/04

    Gnome has certainly become a desktop for every-day use. The improvements made in the 2.x series are simply amazing. I would suggest that Gnome is the most usable desktop environment available today.

    If you want a deskop that Just Works, give Gnome a try.

  5. Gnome is simply fantastic! Integration of the calendar is very important for a modern Desktop enviroment; I hope to see soon also the integration of the contact between Evolution and Gaim. Anonymous -- 16/09/04

    Gnome is simply fantastic!
    Integration of the calendar is very important for a modern Desktop enviroment; I hope to see soon also the integration of the contact between Evolution and Gaim.

  6. See this exposes the primary flaws in linux desktops. They're builind an interface based on a list of functions rather than overall interface and ease of use. Gnome may be functionally equivalent to windows explorer, but you can't argue that it's easier Anonymous -- 16/09/04

    See this exposes the primary flaws in linux desktops. They're builind an interface based on a list of functions rather than overall interface and ease of use. Gnome may be functionally equivalent to windows explorer, but you can't argue that it's easier to use than windows. As far as assailing OS X interface... well... let's shoot for Win 95/98.

  7. As someone who uses Gnome as his primary desktop, but also finds himselft having to use Windows XP (and earlier versions from time to time) I'm still surprised that people think that Gnome is still catching up with Windows. From where I see it, Windows h Anonymous -- 16/09/04

    As someone who uses Gnome as his primary desktop, but also finds himselft having to use Windows XP (and earlier versions from time to time) I'm still surprised that people think that Gnome is still catching up with Windows. From where I see it, Windows has some way to go to catch up to Gnome usability.

    Sure, there are a few missing applications particularly multi-media, but they are coming along and unlike Windows and MacOS, I love that fact that one media player will handle all my media needs. For example, rather than maintaining copies of Media Player, Real Player and Quicktime, I'll be able to view all these from a single application.

    But don't get caught up in a comparison of applications when you're talking about usability. Usuability is all about the actual interface and how well it works for the end user. At the end of the day, Gnome has had one up on Windows since at least 2.6.

    Oh, and Gnome isn't copying Windows or OS X any more than they are copying Gnome (and they are).

    I'll take the Gnome desktop anyday in preference to Windows XP. Gnome is much easier to work with.

  8. Hahaha, they gotta be kidding? I'm sorry but they haven't even passed win 95. Anonymous -- 17/09/04

    Hahaha, they gotta be kidding? I'm sorry but they haven't even passed win 95.

  9. Gnome better than KDE, there has to some someone laughing! KDE is just what the people need. Some of us left Winders due to all the automation, and we are still sick of it. Gnome adding it only makes it worse. Gnome was once a player in desktops Anonymous -- 18/09/04

    Gnome better than KDE, there has to some someone laughing!

    KDE is just what the people need. Some of us left Winders due to all the automation, and we are still sick of it. Gnome adding it only makes it worse. Gnome was once a player in desktops, but now is old and decrepit.

    As to linux being better than Winders. It happened a long time ago. And it only keeps building a bigger disparity gap.

    How much money have you spent on Winders today?

  10. Whats the problem with python covering c? so know gnome needs a fancy ide like eclipse? reasons to make this decition please? Anonymous -- 18/09/04

    Whats the problem with python covering c? so know gnome needs a fancy ide like eclipse? reasons to make this decition please?

  11. I am a long time Linux installer but not a long time linux "user." I would partition my machine, spend a bunch of time working to get all the applications I want running, only to find out that there was always something missing. A driver or a fe Anonymous -- 19/09/04

    I am a long time Linux installer but not a long time linux "user." I would partition my machine, spend a bunch of time working to get all the applications I want running, only to find out that there was always something missing. A driver or a feature that always seemed much easier to deploy under Windows. Linux always seemed to be just on the edge of being good enough for me to not miss my other operating systems.

    Now before you suggest that I don't know what I am doing you might want to consider that I was installing Slackware 0.99 from floppy diskettes in 1993. It's a long relationship.

    I finally bit the bullet a month ago (or so) and grabbed a copy of a variety of distros. Mandrake 10, SuSE 9.1, Gentoo Linux, Fedora FC2, and OpenBSD (I know. OpenBSD is not a linux but I am a Canadian and I like Theo's style). I had success installing all of the operating systems on ALL of my hardware (well it did take a LOT of work on OpenBSD and Gentoo but I felt it was necessary to try them). I have a high end workstation/server with a NForce2 Motherboard, Dell Latitude C840, and a Sager Notebook (NP8530). I was testing so much the old fan and harddrive in the Sager finally gave out. I have had the machine for 7 years so I CANNOT complain. It's still a good computer. I would buy another in a heartbeat. And Fedora works like a hot damn on it.

    I found that KDE in SuSE, Mandrake, Gentoo, etc seemed a little too much like a toy. It did not seem polished to me. It certainly has a number of great applications (K3B is the BOMB!). I tried Gnome on SuSE and did not like how it kept relying upon KDE applications for key functionality. Mandrake is better. Gentoo is just crazy so once you've done the work stuff does what you want it to.

    Then I installed Fedora FC2. 15 minutes. My USB drive worked. My Firewire card works. My PDA works. My TV Tuner based on the Conexant CX23883 chipset works. No compiling.

    And Gnome works. Like I would expect it to.

    But guess what? I miss Visio's Rack builder template. DIA needs BETTER TEMPLATES.

    So I installed WINE and wiped my other windows products from my hard drive.

    Should Gnome try to overtake Windows? No WAY! They need to forget about Windows or Apple and do their thing.

    And Microsoft should start thinking about putting their code in the Open Source Community. Because 200,000 million computers in the People's Republic of China can't be wrong...

  12. You cant say WindoZe and GNOME in the same sentance ! lol , windoze is way behind linux , i just cant wait for the next release of windoze for MS to fall! Anonymous -- 11/01/05

    You cant say WindoZe and GNOME in the same sentance ! lol , windoze is way behind linux , i just cant wait for the next release of windoze for MS to fall!

  13. Perfection Casey Moore -- 26/03/07

    With the stability of windows and the wide amount of applications available for gnome who wouldn't want this???

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