Australian Linux trademark dispute reaches Torvalds

Linus Torvalds has been called on to help Australia's peak Linux association in a battle to stop local companies attempting to trademark the word "Linux".

Torvalds has been called on to help Linux Australia Inc -- which represents open source developers orbiting the Linux software platform -- prove his right to trademark the term in Australia much as he did in the United States in 1997.

"It's been proven for America and now we need to do the same for Australia because, obviously, the word Linux has been used in Australia by different people than use it in the US," said lawyer representing Linux Australia Inc, Jeremy Malcom.

Linux Australia Inc's entry to the fray actually began as an attempt to protect its own name after a South Australian company applied to register it as a trademark.

According to Malcom, the organisation had been using the name as an unregistered trademark since the mid '90s. But they were "pipped at the post" in lodging an official trademark application for the name with IP Australia in May last year by Adelaide-based Linux Australia Pty Ltd.

"Linux Australia is widely known in the open source community as being a non-profit organisation for the Linux community as a whole and to have a corporation using that name out in the marketplace is only going to cause confusion ... we don't think that's going to be to anyone's benefit," said Malcom.

Malcom said that Linux Australia Inc received a letter from the would-be trademark owners on September 9, 2003, seeking its "cooperation" after IP Australia examiners returned an "adverse response" to the South Australian applicants.

That appears to have prompted Linux Australia Inc to take action, volunteering to take up the cause on behalf of Torvalds and the international Linux community.

Shortly after Linux Australia Inc questioned the Adelaide-based company's request in January this year, it lodged its own trademark application for the word "Linux". However, IP Australia also questioned that application as it didn't appear to have Torvalds' support.

"We've got some more information coming from Linus Torvalds as the trademark owner and that will assist us getting that through hopefully," said Malcom.

Malcom said that the information would help prove that Torvalds' use of word Linux has continued for longer than any of the competing local trademarks bearing the name.

It wouldn't be the first time that Torvalds has had to make such a case. Torvalds had to wrestle the term back under the control of the open source community after lawyers representing William Della Croce, who had registered the name as a trademark, started demanding royalties in 1996 from US Linux vendors for using the word.

According to Malcom, the application would stop the name Linux being used by companies like Linux Australia without approval for commercial purposes but not place proprietary limits of the use of the name by the general public.

It's unclear how long Linux Australia Pty Ltd's application went unnoticed by Linux Australia Inc, but it appears unlikely that its claim on the word synonymous with open source software will succeed.

"Without Linux Australia Inc's cooperation it wasn't going to be registered," said Malcom.

ZDNet Australia   contacted Linux Australia Pty Ltd for comment on this report but they did not respond in time for publication.

However, a former marketing executive of Linux Australia Pty Ltd, Suzannah Williams, all but admitted the application would fail. In a somewhat confusing statement (included in a letter of complaint about the incident submitted to ACIP as part of one of its current policy reviews) she wrote:

"...we applied for the trademark [but] it is unlikely to be approved as Linux is an operating system and Australia is obviously the country [sic]".

She urged ACIP to cease recognising common law trademarks to help businesses avoid the dilemma faced by Linux Australia Pty Ltd.

"It has been a big learning experience but one of cost and time for a start-up company."

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Talkback 9 comments

  1. It seems that there are even more trademark cases against Open Source and Free Software projects. See <a href="http://tuxmobil.org/trademark_sequel.html">Linux History as a Sequel of Trademark Cases</a>. Anonymous -- 11/08/04

    It seems that there are even more trademark cases against Open Source and Free Software projects. See <a href="http://tuxmobil.org/trademark_sequel.html">Linux History as a Sequel of Trademark Cases</a>.

  2. Naked greed is always the most offensive when it attempts to steal from the general pulic. Some more details about the unethical company, would have been appreciated so that they (and their management) can be avoided and driven from the open source commun Anonymous -- 13/08/04

    Naked greed is always the most offensive when it attempts to steal from the general pulic. Some more details about the unethical company, would have been appreciated so that they (and their management) can be avoided and driven from the open source community where they obviously do not belong.

  3. Openera seems to be the alternate name for sic. "Linux Australia" PTY LTD. Perhaps every one should let them know how they feel. Anonymous -- 13/08/04

    Openera seems to be the alternate name for sic. "Linux Australia" PTY LTD. Perhaps every one should let them know how they feel.

  4. Rob, Thanks for your interest in the story. However I would like to point out that that the intention of the piece was to raise awareness about the Linux trademark issues in the Australian setting rather than invite a pogrom against Li Anonymous -- 13/08/04

    Rob,

    Thanks for your interest in the story.

    However I would like to point out that that the intention of the piece was to raise awareness about the Linux trademark issues in the Australian setting rather than invite a pogrom against Linux Australia Pty Ltd.

    ZDNet Australia uncovered no evidence of unethical behaviour on the company's part and the progress of their application with IP Australia suggests it was received by our IP regulators in good faith.

    The point of the story is that they were able to do this and that steps are being taken to eliminate that confusion over the term in the Australian jurisdiction. I don't think any of the parties I talked to in compiling this report exhibited any bad will toward LA Pty Ltd.

    Why would they -- they're in the business of promoting open source not trouncing on Linux companies? It would seem a bit counter productive.

    Best Regards,

    Andrew Colley
    Senior Journalist
    ZDNet Australia

  5. How incredibly gutless! Have the courage of your convictions, ZDNet, rather than posting such a cowardly disclaimer after the fact. As an Adelaidian, and a law student, not only am I ashamed of this company's behaviour, but I can assure you that, philosop Anonymous -- 14/08/04

    How incredibly gutless! Have the courage of your convictions, ZDNet, rather than posting such a cowardly disclaimer after the fact. As an Adelaidian, and a law student, not only am I ashamed of this company's behaviour, but I can assure you that, philosophically, their behaviour IS unethical, and DOES deserve condemnation. Thanks for the frank and fearless coverage - NOT!

  6. How ironical, that an 'anonymous' post should twit ZDnet about philosophy and gutlessness. Stick to law! Anonymous -- 15/08/04

    How ironical, that an 'anonymous' post should twit ZDnet about philosophy and gutlessness. Stick to law!

  7. Hi I am Suzannah Williams Former Director and Marketing Director of Linux Australia Pty Ltd. I welcome your comments. My mission was to promote Linux in Australia. I was unaware at the time of Linux Austrailia Incs common law trade Anonymous -- 04/09/04

    Hi

    I am Suzannah Williams

    Former Director and Marketing Director of Linux Australia Pty Ltd. I welcome your comments. My mission was to promote Linux in Australia. I was unaware at the time of Linux Austrailia Incs common law trade mark on the name. As I still hold the web site address I will welcome them to have it. They so far have not responded, nor has Linus himself.

    There was no mallace on my part - but the new company Directors of Openera Hosi Stankovic and Vik Ratnieks seem to have a different aim. We have parted company. Please accept my appologies for any inconvienience caused and my with drawall of the trademark.

    Suzannah@bdevel.com.au

  8. Please note that my former comments are just personal opinion and in noway can be presumed to relfect the opinion of Linux Australia Pty Ltd or its Directors. Anonymous -- 06/09/04

    Please note that my former comments are just personal opinion and in noway can be presumed to relfect the opinion of Linux Australia Pty Ltd or its Directors.

  9. How many so called linux companines actually utilise linux programs or are they "Bill's boys" in "Linux clothing" ???? I'm sure that most of these companines have nothing but windows programs running, as you can te Anonymous -- 22/09/04

    How many so called linux companines actually utilise
    linux programs or are they "Bill's boys" in
    "Linux clothing" ????

    I'm sure that most of these companines have nothing but windows programs running, as you can tell from the x-mailer header!!!!!!!!

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