Senator wants to ban P2P networks

The chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary said Thursday that a ban on file-trading networks is urgently required but agreed to work with tech companies concerned that devices like Apple Computer's iPod would be imperiled.

Senator Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said he intended to move ahead with the highly controversial Induce Act despite objections from dozens of Internet providers and Silicon Valley manufacturers. The Induce Act says "whoever intentionally induces any violation" of copyright law would be legally liable for those violations.

Hatch added, however, that he welcomed comments from critics. "If you help us, we just might get it right," he said. "If you don't, we're going to do it. Something has to be done. There's no way to solve these problems so everyone's totally pleased."

The Induce Act, which enjoys broad support in the music industry and from a handful of software companies, is designed to overturn an April 2003 ruling from a California judge that said StreamCast Networks, which distributes Morpheus, and Grokster were not liable for copyright infringements that took place using their software. Critics of the bill warn that it could make hardware makers like Apple and Toshiba--and even journalists--liable for products and reviews that could "induce" the public to violate copyright law.

Vermont's Patrick Leahy, the top Democrat on the panel, echoed Hatch's comments. "Nobody wants to undermine the iPod or any other piece of technology out there," he said. "We have to understand that some people use P2P technology in ways that are wrong and illegal."

The Business Software Alliance, which counts as members Microsoft, Apple and Adobe Systems, initially applauded the Induce Act in a favorable statement last month that called it a "reasonable balance between antipiracy and technological innovation."

But by the time Thursday's hearing took place, BSA President Robert Holleyman had become far more tepid in his appraisal of the bill. Holleyman testified that the measure would be acceptable only if it were rewritten "to ensure that only bad actors are found liable."

Gary Shapiro, president of the Consumer Electronics Association, suggested that the Senate wait for the courts to figure out which file-swapping networks are legal. "Right now, I don't think legislation is necessary, because the harm is greater than any benefit that may be derived," he said.

More than 40 trade associations and advocacy groups voiced similar sentiments in a letter to senators July 6. The Induce Act "would chill innovation and drive investment in technology" overseas, said the letter, signed by CNET Networks, eBay, Google, Intel, MCI, TiVo, Verizon Communications, Sun Microsystems and Yahoo. CNET Networks is the publisher of News.com.

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    "Nobody wants to undermin ...Anonymous -- 23/07/04

    "Nobody wants to undermine the iPod or any other piece of technology out there," he said. "We have to understand that some people use P2P technology in ways that are wrong and illegal."

    Firstly, the iPod owes the vast majority of its sales to the fact that people pirate music. If you are willing to admit that most P2P traffic is music piracy, then you must also accept that most MP3 players are filled with the results of those actions. Any action to reduce piracy WILL impact on sales of MP3 players like the iPod. It's also odd that while on the one hand, the 'big five' (soon to be 'big four' after the imminent Sony/BMG merger) recording labels rampantly pursue P2P software developers like StreamCast and Sharman, Sony is also looking to happily cash in on the phenomenon with their newly announced Walkman set to give the iPod a serious run for the title of 'best selling portable MP3 player'

    Secondly, perhaps someone could suggest to the Senator that some people also use other technology in ways that are wrong and illegal. Technology like handguns, knives, cars, and intelligence agencies.

    A Question…. Doesn’t that mean ...Anonymous -- 23/07/04

    A Question….

    Doesn’t that mean Microsoft and all other browsers developers are liable if you use a browser to download copy protected material.

    For example, down load a map from www.whereis.com.au? That a violation of copy right?

    This is not about banning so c ...Anonymous -- 23/07/04

    This is not about banning so called "piracy" this is about banning a cheaper content distribution system. A content distribution system so cheap that it would allow consumers to create and distribute their own content to other consumers direct. Of course this content would out compete the current dredge (do to the excessive profit margins), and as consumers only have so many hours in the day to take in commercial content it would force the current content publishers to compete at unheard of levels. Think of millions of people creating and publishing content compared to the current handfull of monopolists.

    I am curious how banning all P ...Anonymous -- 23/07/04

    I am curious how banning all P2P networks is going to have any impact on Ipods. Correct me if I am wrong, but the Apple music store doesn't actually use P2P.

    You can't seriously be implying that people who buy Ipods haven't legally purchased 20GB of mp3s? That would mean that the majority of the revenue stream for Apple (the Ipod hardware) comes from people who probably wouldn't buy the unit if they didn't have so many mp3's illegally downloaded over P2P.

    It's one thing to Ban P2P, but you also need to define P2P. Technically, all internet traffic could be considered P2P. It starts on one device and goes to another device. Is that legal?

    Where the Filesharing (well everything released since napster closed down) differs from many internet enabled programs is that they do not require a single server (or a cluster of them) to maintain the communications. This is what the RIAA hate. There is no-one company that you can sue until they go broke that will shutdown the network like with Napster.

    To police it, you would have to bash down the doors on 10 year old girls downloading the music from the lion king with lawyers dressed up in SWAT gear. No wait they already do that. Nevermind, problem solved.

    Copyright itself is illegal. t ...Anonymous -- 23/07/04

    Copyright itself is illegal.
    the writer of a book, software music etc market there product untill it is superseded or sales drop below a certain level, or the writer dies

    while the product is in popular demand, yes pay a fee. past that time no fee.

    using this principal windows 3.11, beatles songs, and song by elvis presley loose the copyright fee charge

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