PCs for Kids gets help from Sun and Linux

Sun Microsystems Australia and the Linux community have come to the aid of embattled PC's for Kids in its mission to donate refurbished computers to children in need.

PCs for Kids ongoing and very public battle with Microsoft over the installation of obsolete operating systems on recycled computers looks set to end, with Sun Microsystems and the Linux community pitching in to offer their support.

Sun Microsystems has offered its free software alternative, and Cyber Source in Melbourne--which is part of the local Linux community--has provided training to the charity, enabling the installation of Sun's "Star Office" and Linux Red Hat 6.2 on to old computers.

-On one hand I understand Microsoft's need to protect its copyright, but on the other hand it is reasonably generous to other charities, so why are they being tough on this particular one?" said Sun's marketing manager, Denis Fairweather.

-Especially when the software they have been using is discontinued. -- it's not as if they're losing out on a potential sale," he added.

Assistance from the IT community will enable the organisation to start shipping refurbished computers to disadvantaged children again. The first batch of 50 computers will be sent to East Timor next week.

-Having just entered Linux it is a whole new learning curve for the charity....and for the kids it will be like switching from football to handball," PCs for Kids director Colin Bayes said.

The charity has received overwhelming support from the IT community since its stoush with Microsoft first began. Bayes claims 2,500 emails of support have been sent to the charity from all over the world, of which just 29 were in support of Microsoft.

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Talkback 27 comments

    HA HA. Microsoft now looks as ...Anonymous -- 09/08/01

    HA HA. Microsoft now looks as stupid as they are. This was always going to be a huge PR blunder. Now with Sun and the Linux community coming in as white knights it more so.

    Good on Sun Microsystems, for ...Anonymous -- 09/08/01

    Good on Sun Microsystems,
    for show community support, leadership and for StarOffice.

    Perhaps MS should be more in touch with community sentiments.
    I for one have a different opinion of MS now than I had before they conducted their disgraceful attack on the children and the charity.

    Perhaps I should also look at alternatives, after all I don't want my money to go to a company which does not know how to conduct itself.

    Microsoft has shown its true c ...Anonymous -- 09/08/01

    Microsoft has shown its true colours.

    I do agree that copyright must be upheld and that the charity must not use MS products if they do not buy them or have them donated to.

    What example would that be for the kids, they would grow up thinking that breaking the law is acceptable.

    It is fortunate that there are good corporations around like Sun Microsystems.

    The charity's work is noble, but they must not behave unethical and break the law.

    MS might be legally in the right but as far as I am concerned their actions against the kids and the charity are despisable.

    Disappointing attitude MS is ...Anonymous -- 09/08/01

    Disappointing attitude

    MS is not making any friends by sending in the heavies (lawyers).

    Thank you Sun Microsystems I g ...Anonymous -- 09/08/01

    Thank you Sun Microsystems

    I glad to see that the story has a happy ending thanks to Sun Microsystems and the Linux community.

    Microsoft's behaviour is rather appalling.

    I don not like Linux, but have ...Anonymous -- 10/08/01

    I don not like Linux, but have no love for Microsoft. However MS is wrong for the way they handledd this form day one. They know it just don't have what it takes to back out and save face.I hope the kids are very happy and learn well of this.

    Can MS be afraid that giving a ...Anonymous -- 10/08/01

    Can MS be afraid that giving away old obsolete (I mean older and more obsolete than win 2000) software will empower some young genius to come up with a better one?

    Gee, I seem to recall that that is precisely how young Bill got started...

    Shame on you Mr. Gates

    MS handled this very badly. ...Anonymous -- 10/08/01

    MS handled this very badly.

    I am writing this on a MS powered computer (Win2K), actually I got 6 Windows powered computers.

    Microsoft makes it easy for people to have a very low opinion of MS.

    When it is time to upgrade I will contact an open source consultant and see what they have to offer, I just don't want to give Bill any more of my money.

    Would you provide a URL for th ...Anonymous -- 10/08/01

    Would you provide a URL for the charity?
    They should have all the assistance they
    can get.

    There is nothing like communit ...Anonymous -- 10/08/01

    There is nothing like community spirit.

    Sun and the Linux community seem to understand this.

    MS has a lot to learn.

    M. J. Gould

    "Where do we get our next ...Anonymous -- 10/08/01

    "Where do we get our next generation of IT professionals?"

    Yes, technically the charity did the wrong thing, but how about the long-term impact/benefits of academic and not-for-profit licensing?

    Microsoft's domination of many markets is due largely to the available technical skill base to support its software. So if tomorrows up-and-coming skill base is forced to adopt something else, then it is likely that is what they will influence the market in years to come.

    Why should educational institu ...Anonymous -- 10/08/01

    Why should educational institutions and students pay for commercial software?

    (The previous comment prompted me to write.)

    In other words the software students learn at educational institutions is the software they will influence their future employers to buy for them.
    Thus guaranteeing a future cashflow to the companies who's products are being taught.

    Why do educational instutions not realise that they are actually doing a huge marketing campaign for the companies who's products they teach.

    Not only do they not get paid, for their valuable service to the software company/ies, they even pay the software companies license fees so they be able to promote unwittingly the products of the software publisher.

    Can anyone understand this?

    It is time that educational institutions demand to get paid for each license they have on machines used to teach students, (and thus ensuring future revenue for the software company when the students enter the workforce).

    Educational instutions should teach open source software products.
    This would lessen the unacceptable burden to pay for expensive commercial software products, when there are in many, though not all cases, open source products available.

    This would help both the students in spending their money more wisely and the educational institutions by not wasting the Australian tax payers money on something that is totally unnecessary!

    I can't understand this, can anyone?

    Good on Sun I never heard of S ...Anonymous -- 10/08/01

    Good on Sun

    I never heard of Sun Microsystems.
    It might have been helpful to provide their URL, it would save people the time typing it into a search engine looking for it.

    Does this StarOffice work on Windows as well?

    I am looking to buy an Office package but had only heard of MSOffice. If StarOffice runs on Windows I might be able to save some money.

    to Julia Millefeuile: you can ...Anonymous -- 10/08/01

    to Julia Millefeuile:

    you can visit Sun Microsystems at http://www.sun.com and you can download Star Office 5.2 for free.

    A little history on Star Office. It was created by a German company called StarDvision. Sun bought Stardivision a few years back and continued to offer Star Office for free (downloadable version), and for a fee that smaller in price compared to MS Office you can buy the CD with all the available versions of Star Office (windows, linux, etc).

    As for MS's actions against the PCs for Kids, shame on you! How much money is enough?

    note: I am not an employee of Sun Microsystems.

    Thumbs down for MS. Thumbs up ...Anonymous -- 10/08/01

    Thumbs down for MS.

    Thumbs up for Sun Microsystems, the charity and the Linux community.

    Great news. It's nice to know ...Anonymous -- 10/08/01

    Great news. It's nice to know that all companies aren't as cold-hearted and greedy as Microsoft.

    Linux is a better operating system than Windows anyway, and there is much free software available for Linux, so things may have actually worked out for the best.

    This highlights a problem with ...James Lamm -- 10/08/01

    This highlights a problem with a monopoly based
    industry. You have an old 486 running Win. 3.1.
    It can't run the latest software. To buy a
    Win 95 upgrade is more than the computer is worth,
    if you can find it! The result is that I walk
    by where I work
    and see computers in the trash pile rained on
    by thunderstorms. People like Micr. could at
    at least have the heart to install Win 95 on
    those computers since they don't even sell it
    anymore anyway and then the poor could benefit
    from them. NO -- MICR demands thay they be
    thrown in the trash pile. If this terrible
    monopolistic vice were ever broken lots of
    companies and OSs could fill the need but I am
    afraid the Linux sun is proposing won't be able
    to deal with the Win modems on those machines.
    The companies that make those Win modems won't
    even realease the specs so that drivers can be
    written to other OSs. It is my guess, those
    computers will end up in the trash pile.
    Something similar already happenned in Mexico.
    We need to break the monopoly!

    If Microsoft was NOT the money ...Anonymous -- 11/08/01

    If Microsoft was NOT the money-hungry corporation it appears to be, it would have donated the software packages to the charity in the first place.

    The government should switch t ...Anonymous -- 11/08/01

    The government should switch to open source software.

    Why don't they?

    Our taxes should stay at home and not be send overseas.

    Our trade deficit is bad enough!

    Imagine if the Australian government would take the money it pays per year for software licenses and would invest one years expenditure in open source software to further improve the areas that might be lacking at the moment.

    This could eliminate the remaining technical problems and there after we would save the license fees year after year.

    Why is the Australian government not doing it?

    I think the media should asked these questions or the matter will never be examined.

    Why pay for something that is not needed or can easily be replaced with open source software.

    Monopolies always try to get a ...Anonymous -- 11/08/01

    Monopolies always try to get away with blue murder, regardless of whether they are telphone companies or software companies.

    Consumer should keep this in mind when making a purchase decision.

    Support a monopoly today and pay sharply increased prices tomorrow, after the demise of any remaining competitors.

    Hands together for Sun Microsy ...Anonymous -- 11/08/01

    Hands together for Sun Microsystems.

    This is a good example which shows that not every software producers is callous and pathetic.

    What I don't understand is tha ...Wolfgang Schneider -- 11/08/01

    What I don't understand is that Microsoft has donated brand new computers to libraries here in CANADA.
    Could it be, that they get more recognition from the public over here? OR is it that East Timor is a backwater country and they (MS) couldn't sell to many products there anyway?

    Shame on you Microsoft!

    By the way, this message war written on a MANDRAKE LINUX box with NETSCAPE! ;-)

    Wolf

    MS placed their foot firmly in ...Anonymous -- 11/08/01

    MS placed their foot firmly in their mouth.

    They have become so big that they really do not care how they are perceived by the public and act accordingly.

    Which company has given the software industry a bad name?

    Nice happy ending, except fo ...Anonymous -- 11/08/01

    Nice happy ending,

    except for Microsoft's part.

    The charity should not break t ...Anonymous -- 11/08/01

    The charity should not break the law.

    Copyright law is there for a reason and it should be abided by.

    However having said that, I am particularly disgusted in the way Microsoft tried to make the charity look like crimials.

    MS does have the law on their side but they have reached a new low by any measure.

    PCs for Kids? Bah! Crap! Who a ...Anonymous -- 15/08/01

    PCs for Kids? Bah! Crap!
    Who appointed them distributors of 'donated' equipment? Why should they be able to distribute illicit copies of software?
    Anyone could think up a nice name to tug at the heart, go around hassle some companies for their old computers, dont use legal software, keep what they like and send the crap to Timor.
    Charity? Who is receiving the real benefit??

    So now you know what MS is lik ...Anonymous -- 16/08/01

    So now you know what MS is like, Nothing but a bunch of moneygrabbers. I wiped them off my harddrive more than a year ago and have not looked back since. They most likely did those kids a favor as you would get a much better understanding of how to work with PC's with a 'nix system. my 8 year old uses Linux no problem, plays games (from Loki), does some of her schoolwork with Staroffice. Microsoft? who needs them

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