Email interruptus

Andrew Colley
22 June 2001 06:15 PM
Tags: spam, reva, email, advertising, consumer, pickup, advertise, opt
Internet users may soon have to contend with a new form of spam that turns their private email correspondence into a billboard for online advertisers..

Melbourne-based online marketing company, Reva Networks, is currently promoting a new email technology -- Admail -- that allows online advertisers to intercept email messages as they enter the mail server and -wrap" them in advertising content tailored to the recipient's demographic profile.

Unlike conventional unsoliciated email, where advertising arrives in the users' inbox as separate email, Admail fuses advertising with the body message regardless of its origin.

Robert Pickup, Revo Networks CEO, says the company's partners and customers include both conventional ISP-based POP email services and free Web-based email services that generate revenue through advertising. -We're in discussions with many ISPs and advertisers, he said. -It's fair to say that interest has been very strong."

Pickup says that Admail has proven itself to be more effective than other forms of online advertising.

"Because the advertising is embedded within a regular email and not a separate email message from an advertiser, users are more likely to open the message and hence be exposed to the advertising offer," he said.

Even though the advertising content may hitch a ride with mail traffic generated by paying subscribers they're not assured of having the choice to filter the additional content. -That is up to the ISP or the partner but an opt-out function is likely to be provided in that case," said Pickup.

David Bather, Public Relations manager for Ozemail, warns that online marketers need to be highly circumspect about the privacy concerns of the consumer with email-based strategies. Reflecting on the ISP's experience in the field he said, -we've always been very aware of the rights of the consumer. Something like this would have to be scrutinised very carefully. I think it's important to give consumers an opt-out function"

Charles Britton, IT policy officer for the Australian Consumer Association, is critical of any electronic advertising that places consumers in a reactive position. -We'd rather see an opt-in than an opt-out" he said, speaking on behalf of the association.

Pickup doesn't believe that consumer ire will hinder the success of the technology. According to the company's research, consumers aren't angered by email advertising -as long as its relevant to them". Referring to results of early trials of the technology, which did not provoke any feedback from email users, he said -it's obviously not upsetting people in any way".

Britton doesn't believe that consumers will passively accept the new form of online advertising. -Without some incentive why would you want advertising in your email?" he said.

Observing the negative reception that spam receives from the Internet community, Britton believes that advertisers may ultimately decide the fate of the technology. -Advertisers are reluctant to be associated with anything that irritates consumers," he said. -There's not many successful business models based on annoying people."

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Talkback 21 comments

    If my ISP tried this on me I would leave them instantly!Anonymous -- 22/06/01

    If my ISP tried this on me I would leave them instantly!

    The minute my ISP tries this I will no longer be their customer.If they want advertising then they can have opt IN, not opt OUT choices. I PAY for my ISP service and that includes the amount of download. There is so much advertising on the net it's a jokeAnonymous -- 22/06/01

    The minute my ISP tries this I will no longer be their customer.If they want advertising then they can have opt IN, not opt OUT choices. I PAY for my ISP service and that includes the amount of download. There is so much advertising on the net it's a joke.
    I am insulted to think that ISP's would make money out a service that is already making them money!

    Get Stuffed mate. That's what I'd say. An Opt In is preferrable to an opt out. If it starts, then I will raise the biggest storm, and will move ISP, or even start my own bloody company.Anonymous -- 22/06/01

    Get Stuffed mate. That's what I'd say. An Opt In is preferrable to an opt out. If it starts, then I will raise the biggest storm, and will move ISP, or even start my own bloody company.

    Customers pay ISP to provide a network connection, NOT a vehicle for unsolicited SPAM. If an ISP did this to me, I would be out pretty damned quickAnonymous -- 22/06/01

    Customers pay ISP to provide a network connection, NOT a vehicle for unsolicited SPAM. If an ISP did this to me, I would be out pretty damned quick

    "Permission" marketing works - this prosed form of marketing sounds technically clever but will backfire on the advertisers - pop up ads are annoying enough - anything for a new gimmick! http://www.infobiz.com.auGraham Taylor -- 22/06/01

    "Permission" marketing works - this prosed form of marketing sounds technically clever but will backfire on the advertisers - pop up ads are annoying enough - anything for a new gimmick!

    http://www.infobiz.com.au

    So we get advertising in exchange for free internet? - Not likely! - If I pay for my internet, I don't pay for advertising..If this happened, I would soon be changing ISP's quick smart!Anonymous -- 22/06/01

    So we get advertising in exchange for free internet? - Not likely! - If I pay for my internet, I don't pay for advertising..If this happened, I would soon be changing ISP's quick smart!

    What's "Mr" Pickup's email address. I'll gladly forward all the spam email I receive to him. I wish him every failure in the world with this hideous money-grabbing attempt at invading our privacy.Anonymous -- 22/06/01

    What's "Mr" Pickup's email address. I'll gladly forward all the spam email I receive to him. I wish him every failure in the world with this hideous money-grabbing attempt at invading our privacy.

    'Get stuffed' is what I'd say to any ISP that did this to me. I Agree with all the previous comments about this type of SPAM (and it is SPAM). The other issue is that if I was to 'receive' email treated with this 'wrapper SPAM' then I would be making compAnonymous -- 22/06/01

    'Get stuffed' is what I'd say to any ISP that did this to me. I Agree with all the previous comments about this type of SPAM (and it is SPAM). The other issue is that if I was to 'receive' email treated with this 'wrapper SPAM' then I would be making complaints as well! Is is not just the sender that would be complaining to their ISP, what about the receivers? This technology I am sure would work on incoming and outgoing mail!

    Since "I" pay my ISP charges, "I" want to decide what mail comes in. You wrap my messages, I find another provider. If an 'OPT IN' condition exists, then count me 'OPTED OUT'. It's bad enough with viruses, let alone megaspam!Barry Watson -- 22/06/01

    Since "I" pay my ISP charges, "I" want to decide what mail comes in. You wrap my messages, I find another provider. If an 'OPT IN' condition exists, then count me 'OPTED OUT'.
    It's bad enough with viruses, let alone megaspam!

    Funny! Have tried to post a positive message; then the ads needed to be changed and the whole thing was wiped. Draw your own conclusions - I am not paying for this; so I just have to take it. If I paid for it, I would cancel my sub. ChAnonymous -- 22/06/01

    Funny!
    Have tried to post a positive message; then the ads needed to be changed and the whole thing was wiped.
    Draw your own conclusions - I am not paying for this; so I just have to take it.
    If I paid for it, I would cancel my sub.
    Cheers

    The day my ISP puts spam inside my e-mail is the day I find a new ISPAnonymous -- 22/06/01

    The day my ISP puts spam inside my e-mail is the day I find a new ISP

    Make them pay! If you have broadband, for every one of these you receive, send an email with a HUGE attachment (maybe a jpeg of a "moon") to the company doing the advertising. This will waste their bandwith, email storage and time as well as theAnonymous -- 23/06/01

    Make them pay! If you have broadband, for every one of these you receive, send an email with a HUGE attachment (maybe a jpeg of a "moon") to the company doing the advertising. This will waste their bandwith, email storage and time as well as the ISP's resources!

    Need Robert Pickup's EMAIL address. The only thing I kind find is a bed and breakfast outside of Melbourne. This guy is an idiot if he thinks we don't care if his spam is attached to our EMAILs. I'd drop my ISP in a nonosecond if I received one. R J Armonk -- 23/06/01

    Need Robert Pickup's EMAIL address. The only thing
    I kind find is a bed and breakfast outside of Melbourne. This guy is an idiot if he thinks we don't care if his spam is attached to our EMAILs. I'd drop my ISP in a nonosecond if I received one.
    We need to send this guy the message.

    NO WAY..PERIOD. I pay enuf already without having to put up with more advertising. If my ISP tried this one me, he'd lose me immediately.Keith Styles -- 23/06/01

    NO WAY..PERIOD.
    I pay enuf already without having to put up with more advertising. If my ISP tried this one me, he'd lose me immediately.

    I suggest sending the company mass emails tothat company. If I should start to be recieving these ads, I will start mailing the EVERY piece of mail I recieve, if from them or not. This is a total invasion of priviacy I have seen. It is even worse than theAnonymous -- 23/06/01

    I suggest sending the company mass emails tothat company. If I should start to be recieving these ads, I will start mailing the EVERY piece of mail I recieve, if from them or not. This is a total invasion of priviacy I have seen. It is even worse than the Sub-Seven virus.

    Check your local copyright laws. In the US, email is fully copyrightable, with a few exceptions like facts, proper names, numbers, etc. Include a copyright into your email. If the ad wrapper alters your *legally protected* work, inform/sue theDev Null -- 24/06/01

    Check your local copyright laws. In the US, email is fully copyrightable, with a few exceptions like facts, proper names, numbers, etc.

    Include a copyright into your email. If the ad wrapper alters your *legally protected* work, inform/sue them for violating your Intellectual property.

    See how long the ad-wrapper is popular when they leak *money* for violating their users, & anyone communicating with their users, copyrights on a *huge* scale.

    For example:

    This is a copyrighted work. Copyright 2001, Dev Null, all rights reserved. By reading the body of this work you legally and bindingly admit that you understand and agree to the terms set forth herein. If you do not agree to the terms set forth: do not read, delete *immediately*. Any alteration, reproduction, quotation, or retransmission without express *written and thumbprinted* consent of Dev Null, you legally and bindingly agree to pay to Dev Null the sum of US$1000 per violation, plus any fees, costs, and loss of income on the part of Dev Null pursuant to investigation and prosecution of violation, of these terms and securing payment therefrom.

    If you have read and understand the above agreement, read on.

    I will likely give an offender a warning or two in case they had unwittingly voilated my copyrights, but should the ad-wrapper become popular, I take checks, and money orders. No cash or credit cards, please.

    Another Pickup folly – this is bloke who started Automatic, another great-sounding technology play which bit the dust because it ignored market realities – like who pays the piper. My ISP, for instance, wants my business, not his. Otherwise it won’t be myAnonymous -- 24/06/01

    Another Pickup folly – this is bloke who started Automatic, another great-sounding technology play which bit the dust because it ignored market realities – like who pays the piper. My ISP, for instance, wants my business, not his. Otherwise it won’t be my ISP much longer.

    (And yaa boo to ZDNet for your auto refresh – very useful (not) on an input page).

    Mr. Pickup's email address is: robert.pickup@revanetworks.com Here's the email I set to him, I hope *many* of you will do the same :) Mr. Pickup, I read about your business on ZDNET and have since visited your website, pJane Smith -- 25/06/01

    Mr. Pickup's email address is:
    robert.pickup@revanetworks.com

    Here's the email I set to him, I hope *many* of you will do the same :)

    Mr. Pickup,
    I read about your business on ZDNET and have since visited your website,
    particularly:
    http://www.revanetworks.com/reva/corporate/admail/email_providers.html

    I don't understand how you can say that the user's privacy is assured
    when in the previous paragraph you say you're doing demographic and
    behavioral profiling. Furthermore, this system will develop a further
    understanding of my interests over time. Let's be honest... you're
    tracking, you're profiling and you're selling that data. I don't know
    what criteria you used to assess that users didn't object to these
    tactics. However, to get a truly accurate opinion of the acceptability
    of your strategies, I would suggest that your next market study should
    include users with a pulse, e.g., make sure they are alive first.

    In case you haven't determined my opinion by now, I'll make it very
    simple for you...
    Stay out of MY email!! I think your company's "product" is absolutely
    ludicrous and totally unacceptable. Mr. Pickup, would you like me to
    visit your home, open your mail and insert an advertisement for my
    restaurant in each envelope? You would probably be upset with me for
    such audacity, yet that is exactly the business model that your company
    is attempting to market. Think about it!
    -- Jane Smith (profile this, it's a fake name and a spam catch address)

    The idea isn't that bad. I certainly wouldn't want to get my email smothered in advertising, however - if it were part of a different service (like Pocket Mail) and was used to reduce the cost, then I believe it might work. If a service was introducFrancis OConnor -- 25/06/01

    The idea isn't that bad.
    I certainly wouldn't want to get my email smothered in advertising, however - if it were part of a different service (like Pocket Mail) and was used to reduce the cost, then I believe it might work. If a service was introduced with advertising from the start to reduce the cost to the consumer - then the consumer could make an informed decision.

    If my ISP becomes a party to this idea, I will cancel my contract immediately. Email interruptus is a gross invasion of whatever privacy we have left in our daily lives. Gwelma Stevens.Anonymous -- 25/06/01

    If my ISP becomes a party to this idea, I will cancel my contract immediately.

    Email interruptus is a gross invasion of whatever privacy we have left in our daily lives.

    Gwelma Stevens.

    email rapped advertisingJohn de Groot -- 22/02/08

    A reminder that in Australia to open someone elses mail is a Federal offence, wether written or electronic.

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