CyberArmy declares war

With a member base of 35,000, CyberArmy may have the biggest armament the Net has ever seen, rallying to take down Web sites that 'abuse' the World Wide Web - and removing power from governments.

"We want to self-regulate the Internet so that the government doesn't come in and regulate it," Marshal Yowler told ZDNet Australia.

CyberArmy started off as a small group of advocates promoting free speech and Internet deregulation. Growing to a full size army of 'Netizens', the group has since shifted its views - due to privacy issues and government intervention.

"Now we believe in Internet self-regulation. If you deregulate you end up with anarchy," Yowler said.

According to the organisation's founder, 'Overlord' - the Commander in Chief - CyberArmy is set up just like a game. Members have to solve puzzles - which is usually breaking codes and encryption - to move on to the next commanding level.

Missions possible
Commanding ranks give a member more power and involvement in the organisation's missions. Some missions include hunting for, and taking down, child pornography Web sites.

"We're trying to get rid of child pornography on the Internet," Overlord said.

The commanding structure begins at the bottom with troopers, rising through the ranks of 2nd Lieutenant, Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Lt. Kernal, Kernal, General and Marshal.

Each division within CyberArmy has its own job to complete, with one of the divisions devoted solely to child pornography Web sites.

"[The division] has taken down around two dozen child porn sites in the last few weeks, and was also instrumental in bringing down the Wonderland Club child porn ring last week," Overlord said.

He told ZDNet the group is an advocate of ordinary citizens policing the Internet.

Due to the Internet being global, "governments aren't the right authority to police it."

Hacktivists
In defending the 'hacktivist' title that the group has been branded with, Overlord says it doesn't believe in defacing a Web site just for the fun of it. If a site is defaced it's usually in the form of protest.

"The group was a bit more 'hackerish' about a year ago however, we're moving away from that. There are more social minded people on the Net now, which I think is good," he said.

Lt. Kernal thepr0digy - responsible for the defacement of the Australian National Library's Web site last year - told ZDNet the reason for being in CyberArmy is because he is "sick and tired of child pornography and Net censorship."

"Our mission is to prove that there are good hackers not just Script Kiddies out there," he said.

The CyberArmy site also posts discussion boards and Internet tools for users, and has a section dedicated to teaching network security.

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Talkback 56 comments

    okayokay, as a Major in cybera ...ZeroOne -- 20/01/01

    okayokay, as a Major in cyberarmy (CA) i have some stuff to say about this in which i find this article really REALLY disturbing...

    first thing is the title of the article, "Cyberarmy declares war on government regulation". That's bull!!! we never declared war on the government, that's just how you want to look at it, so you can go back and say "oh great, an army of 35,000 hackers trying to overthrow the world's governments. Stupid kids". what we are trying to do is fight for our privacy, fight to get sick child porn rings off the net, and fight for the good of the world.

    and then in one of your paragraphs, you make one of our Lt Kernels look VERY bad... remember... THAT WAS LAST YEAR!!! he had no idea what he was doing, he was just trying to see if he could actually do it. Besides, the library wasn't even fully secured from a simple attack like his. i know thepr0digy for myself, he's a fun guy (not completely there in the head yet ;) ) but he wouldnt do that on purpose...

    okay...a closing note: stop moaning and complaining about CA, and especially about hackers. hackers can be your friend...maybe...if you get on there good side. anywayz...stop tryna give CA a bad look on the public. we're trying to fight the bad things on the net, like anti-privacy things on the net...such as those little spy applications that track everywhere you go when you download certain stuff. yes, like AllAdvantage, CuteFTP, and more. they all track where you go; we fight the .dll file that tracks it. and also, dont ever ask MrYowler anything again, he think's he's a three-eyed-kitty for god's sake!

    leave CA's reputation alone. we don't harm you, you don't harm us.

    Please visit http://www.cybera ...Anonymous -- 20/01/01

    Please visit

    http://www.cyberarmy.com/wwwboard/messages/26172.shtml

    for a official statement of CyberArmy regarding this article

    Does BootCamp for the CyberArm ...Private I. Sheep -- 20/01/01

    Does BootCamp for the CyberArmy entail alot of Monty Python and Dungeons&Dragons training?

    Just wondering...

    lo @ bootcamp something like b ...Enstyne -- 20/01/01

    lo @ bootcamp
    something like being locked up with nothing but zork?

    haha, well to be honest we do have people that sometimes do something we'd consider offensive or threatening or people that constantly attack the place because of the fact that it is there.

    big groups like the cyberarmy will always get this sort of thing, it just has to be sorted out.

    if nothing can be sorted out, we just ban the user from our site(s) although, even though people can still get around this it is usually pretty affective and control is well maintained by the higher ranks...

    i hope someone who reads this has played zork?
    :-)

    Gen. Enstyne

    Why is it you pick out one Lt ...Anonymous -- 20/01/01

    Why is it you pick out one Lt Ker to judge the entire group of 35,000? He was acting alone or for his own group OUTSIDE of the cyberarmy. He was NOT instructed to do so by a higher ranking officer. You are trying to say that we are all hackers that deface websites, destroy data, etc... This is simply not true. Judge me by what I say and think not what someelse does.

    have you lost your mind or jus ...Anonymous -- 20/01/01

    have you lost your mind or just like to post the largest amount of rubbish?

    35000 stong they maybe
    possible of doing anything more than play with a 12 year olds toy? no

    they got alotta memebers mostly consisting off 12-15 year olds out to bring down websites in seconds (ie not knowing anything and think hacking is but an instant click of a button)

    umm me thinks back the thepr0digy hacks on attriton and remembers the letters NT and that script kiddie msadc hacks

    if your going to have a news site ost something not filled with the ramblings of a deranaged aussie (ie nick)

    only thing that guy has done is is attract a ton of kids to a game and got an abudance of money from clickthroughs.

    hes dense but there worse for going there

    (oh and the proving of good hackers out there? by what putting silly games on your site?)

    considering a teenaget who didnt know what hex is and had to be guided throuhg your puzzles (ie viruspete) as seemly kicked your boards **** quite a few times dont say much for your 35000 strong army does it?

    We're not some defacement club ...Anonymous -- 20/01/01

    We're not some defacement club here...

    It seems like some of those comments are not completely in context here. While members are outside our control (i.e. thepr0digy did that defacement on his own--I have no idea why he targeted a library...) we tend to help self-regulation usually by working within the law. For example, we use the complaint forms when someone (i.e. a spammer) is violating a Terms of Service (ToS) agreement and making a nuisance of themselves, sometimes en masse when those ISPs or whatever ignore us.

    As for pedophiles; we do NOT promote hacking into thier servers and deleting it--rather we have been developing connections with law enforcement agencies to prosecute the offenders. The rationale is that pedophiles belong in jail; just deleting their site will do nothing (they'll just upload the pics to some other site), while getting them arrested shuts them down [AFAIK, even prisoners don't like pedophiles--they can rethink thier positions on it in there :] So far, reportss from CAPF lead us to believe that our group, in conjunction with www.antichildporn.com and local authorities have gotten several convictions since our partnering.

    Our record speaks for itself... :]

    The problem with the media is ...capinbob -- 20/01/01

    The problem with the media is that they label hackers and internet activists as bad thing. Not everyone in the hacktivist underground has bad intentions. The part of CyberArmy is to keep the internet free from government regulation. Yes, the internet was created by the government for the purpose of transmiting messages durring the time of war. But it has grown to a full fledged community of every kind of person. Government regulation would mean loosing our first amendment right over the internet. If we do happen to come across a site we consider morally wrong AND illegal, it will be taken down. Such as the lines of child pornography. We have good intentions. As for declaring war, the only war we have declared is the war against child pornography.

    I'd like to comment on the tal ...Anonymous -- 20/01/01

    I'd like to comment on the talkback post by W1zard which contained many non-true information along with non-argumentative statements.

    Quote:
    they got alotta memebers mostly consisting off 12-15 year olds out to bring down websites in seconds

    A) The main age of our visitors is 17, 18 and 19. We also have a lot of visitors in the age group of 14 - 16 and 20 - 30.
    B) We do not hack websites

    I also am very disappointed by the level of argumentation you're on. You're not stating any reasons but only blind accusions without even knowing what you're giving comments on.

    kaladis post all my comment IE ...W1ZARD -- 20/01/01

    kaladis post all my comment

    IE - They are all around that age and you know it dont try to make you seem like some adult group of internet crusaders half of your kernals are around 14 so dont try it. 2nd the point and click defacement post is sarcasim considering i think 100 of your 35000 strong army would even have the brains to compile a script or run msadc.pl on a server let alone have any idea of doing a proper hack.

    you do not play kiddie games?
    Shall we have a lill history then or was those pissant attempts to DDos antioffline and nick being contacted by sils lawyers really an alaborate prank outta boredom. nope i do belive it was quite true.

    you wanna show me where in the news etc u where ,emtioned about that child porn ring that got taken down cause i havent heard a thing apart from a post on your board and zdnet (which quite obsv have lost thier minds)

    u didnt comment on pete either how was this kid allowed to whoop your boards on a constant basis? i mean 35000 vs 1 kid who i had to help do your challanges . its slighty pitifull.

    and if you are not a bunch of defacers do you not remember the "Shock Troops" ie cyberarmy memebers out to takedown weak servers?
    or are those mirrors on attrition not real
    cause i see my name on the shouts and i dont even know who the kids are.

    now run back to zeb land and build another pointless chat bot to guard an irc channel filled with packet monkies and how do i hack kids.

    THAT IS BULL!!!!!! ANYONE READ ...WHAT THE!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- 21/01/01

    THAT IS BULL!!!!!! ANYONE READING THIS I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IS WRONG!!!!! CYBERARMY NEVER "declares war" ON ANYTHING!! WE SIMPLY INFORM THE PROPER PEOPLE OF WRONGFUL DOINGS!!!! AND THAT THING ABOUT 35000 THATS WRONG! THATS HOW MANY TROOPERS HAVE SIGNED UP MOST NEVER MAKE IT TO 2Lt and leave plus some people will get more than one account.

    And you didn't even put a link!!
    http://www.cyberarmy.com

    Once again it is NOT true what ...Anonymous -- 21/01/01

    Once again it is NOT true what you're saying about the ages of our visitors. You're not in any position to know who is visiting us and who not. The only guys who can give you information about that are the CinC and the Marshals.

    Your second sentence are pure accusions and I will not comment on that.

    Another thing is that CyberArmy did not launch DoS attacks against antioffline. Elaborating the whole issue with respect to Sil and antioffline would be to long. What I can say to keep it short, we have not started a battle, it was Sil who treatened us by sending lawyers (and as we're still online, you can see that we are innocent).

    As for my position with respect to fighting child pornography: I'm sending in URL's pointing to sites which contain child pornography on a regular basis. On top of that I was the one responsible for electing Gen. Yoshi, who is doing an outstanding job, into that position.

    As for Pete. He always has been anonymously when flooding our boards which made it unable for us to track him down. Our only way would be to start a law thread against him and use the law to force the proxies he used to stay anonymously to give out details about him. Stopping him from beeing able to post in our forums was impossible due to various reasons.

    As for attrition and the so called shocktroups: We NEVER encouraged NOR allowed ANY of our members to execute illegal activities in the name of or for CyberArmy like hacking sites!!!

    This is my last post commenting about this issue since I think that having a discussion with a stubborn minor who is lost in his emotions and is not sticking to the facts when argumenting is pointless.

    i think if you scrool though t ...W1ZARD -- 21/01/01

    i think if you scrool though the mirrors at attrition (which iam not going do as it would take to long)

    you will find the CYBERARMY shock troops

    the shock troops were something nick started if i remember too?

    and as for the dos attacks i think you know that was stopped cause nick begged sil to stop with the lawyers

    or do you not remember the Cyberarmy to Close! posts?

    as for the kid? umm ya see group iam in inst 35000 strong but isnt filled with 35000 15 year olds either and has quite a few WELL Respectd members and go ahead and try flame that one cause i think ya know its true.

    as for the child porn comment you didnt answer all i asked was where on a different news you were mentioned *in a marshals words we were instrumental in the bringing down of the wonderland child porn ring* i woulda thought such an impact wouldve made it onto more than just your message boards.

    go playw ith your games and kids kal you really dont have much to say in defense but a barrage of blunt dead end comments.

    Well this article is semi corr ...Lt. Bardok -- 21/01/01

    Well this article is semi correct. As a Liutenent of CyberArmy, I can speak for myself and those of lesser stature (troopers and 2nd Lts). CyberArmy is out to make sure everyone's privacy is secured on the net. Most CyberArmy members, IF they hack a website, the only reason is to make a statement, or to help the webmaster be aware of some security problems they have on their website. That being said, we also co-operate with authorities to take down illegal porn, and we even do things as simple as "saving the rainforests" or "feeding the hungry" which both have websites. The missions we have are to basically show how skilled you are and to prepare you for larger missions, because some porn sites or other illegeal sites take experienced hackers to find out information about it. You can't judge CyberArmy by what one "new" member did a year ago. For example, Bill Clinton finally admitted he commited purgery, but he still gets his presidential pension, granted he is losing his law license for 5 years, and he had to pay a fine BUT he earns 400k a year, not sure have much he earns on pension now that he isnt an acutal president, but since he has pension. Not being able to practice law for 5 years isn't going to affect him. That's a little off the subject though.

    The web is comprised of millio ...Marshal defcon7 -- 21/01/01

    The web is comprised of millions of responsible users who want to enjoy the vast tools of the web. There are however some bad eggs out there that want to ruin everyone's good time, but I feel that regulation is just another government tool to create a stranglehold on freedom and self-expression on the net. We must prevent it at all costs.

    And this is why mass media blo ...Anonymous -- 21/01/01

    And this is why mass media blows. Of course, anyone who knows about media knows how they mess up what you say. An example, they could've said "in regards to his own online group, ltker blah blah blah said our mission..." but instead, they just wrote the quoted sentence. so people would assume he was speaking ab9out CyberArmy. This really sickens me. As if we have don have enough problems that we need the mass media talking about us. this right here is why I quit journalism and am going for a CCIE.

    Give CA a little credit. I me ...Anonymous -- 21/01/01

    Give CA a little credit. I mean you go there to learn from people who actually know what they are doing and are willing to teach you instead of just blowing you off because you dont know what you are talking about. And about the child pron. You make it sound like child porn is a good thing that you would like left on the web. If this is how you feel i feel sorry for you. O yeah and dont judge the whole group by what one or two people do or say. We are all CA but we are still indivuals that can act on our own. Give us a chance you will be suprised how much good we can do.

    I bet it makes you all (referr ...Anonymous -- 21/01/01

    I bet it makes you all (referring to some of the previous message posters) feel very ereet to bash CA. Heh. If you don't like CA, you shouldn't go about and make fun of it. The CA does accomplish alot of things, although perhaps not as many as the article may say. But still, it isn't bad enough to bash as much as some of you have been doing. - beast

    You've got to be kidding me th ...Brian -- 21/01/01

    You've got to be kidding me the biggest group of kiddiots on the internet preaching about most hackers not being script kiddies. Go look at their webboard, i don't think 99% of them could even reach the rank of scriptkiddiot with their ejeet proxy using e-mail bombing asses. Way to go on this one Zdnet Down under. You've taken the biggest group of retards on the internet and inflated their egos.
    fear my sub7 owning skills!

    Well, after reading some of th ...Private I. Sheep -- 21/01/01

    Well, after reading some of their posts, it appears that the Bootcamp activities for CyberArmy pretty much must center around development of the following skills:

    1. Endless Infighting and Squabbling.
    2. Repetition of foul, abusive language.
    3. Substitution of clear, rational thought
    with simian grunting and chest beating.
    4. Complete indifference to grammar, proper
    spelling and English in general.

    Honestly folks, any real good you do is, and will continue to be, lost upon most people because of of the presentation of your message. I have no doubt that there are many highly intelligent and articulate members within your organization, so why aren't they posting here?

    You asked for an intelligent a ...smoke- -- 22/01/01

    You asked for an intelligent and reasonable reply, so here it is.

    I have noticed that a majority of the anti-CyberArmy posts have centred around CyberArmy being a bunch of "young script kiddies."

    Myself, being 15, am quite offended by the age insults, especially by W1Z, who seems to lack a competent grasp of the English language. Before coming to CyberArmy, I was one who thought WinNuke was what 'hackers' used. I know now that real hackers are coders, who are coherent with a programming language (or more). I am currently learning PERL and know that there are a great multitude of individuals within CyberArmy that are extremely talented C++, Java and PERL coders.

    Now, I admit, that not everyone (including myself) are not as good at programming like the ones mentioned. But CyberArmy acts as a springboard, for people to engage in learning, whatever interests them in the computer world. The brigade system helps in organising specific objectives to complete, which give the CyberArmy community a target, and as a consequence, a purpose.

    Also, the acts of thepr0digy were carried out by himself, with no involvement from CyberArmy. He seems to have been misquoted, like some others in the article...

    So, in closing,not every 15 year old is an irrational, hormone charged idiot.

    Stereotyping isn't the way to define a group.

    This article discusts me. &quo ...Savage -- 22/01/01

    This article discusts me. "CyberArmy declares war on government regulation", just because we dont believe in something, it doesnt mean that we declared war on it. You just put words in our mouths, so this is all garbage. You have made a responsible group of people, look like a bunch of kids behind their computers. CyberArmy is not about defacements, its about knowledge, all you have talked about so far is the CAPF (CyberArmy Pedophile Fighters), which in my opinion have done a fantastic job in fighting against child pornography. However you have not yet heard of all the other CyberArmy commands...I am the commander of the CAGD (CyberArmy Graphic Design), so you see CyberArmy is not just about anti child porn. I believe that CyberArmy knows what it is doing and has a valid cause. Anyone who is here to criticize or mock the CyberArmy is definitely jealous of the power CyberArmy has. And for the love of god stop saying '35,000 hackers' it is clearly written that CyberArmy is a group of 'Netizens' not hackers. Age is too simply a number, maturity cannot be measured by age, so dont go and stereotype all 14-19 year olds as being immature kids. And the challenges are simply there to see if people are qualified, if they have the intelligence, knowledge and experience to be a member of the CyberArmy, so don't say that Zebulun is all there is no CyberArmy. So please, do not fall for this media crap they are putting in your head...

    Hey W1ZARD, get a life! Maybe ...aVAtaRu -- 22/01/01

    Hey W1ZARD, get a life!
    Maybe you are a script kiddie... if u think you are so 1337 why don't u join Cyber Army's Zebulun and show us what u can do... I bet you won't even get to z2...

    This message isn't just foe W1ZARD, but for everyone than doesn't understand what we are doing for the internet as you know it today and thinks we are some script kiddies!

    As for the article... it sux...

    Hey W1ZARD, get a life! Maybe ...aVAtaRu -- 22/01/01

    Hey W1ZARD, get a life!
    Maybe you are a script kiddie... if u think you are so 1337 why don't u join Cyber Army's Zebulun and show us what u can do... I bet you won't even get to z2...

    This message isn't just foe W1ZARD, but for everyone than doesn't understand what we are doing for the internet as you know it today and thinks we are some script kiddies!

    As for the article... it sux... hey Megan McAuliffe, you should talk to more members from Cyber Army 1st and then write an article... talk with the Mar.'s and Gen.'s...

    LoL lets see why dont i do zeb ...W1ZARD -- 22/01/01

    LoL

    lets see why dont i do zeb? umm prob cause i have cleared those games more times than you have posted *how do i use jtr*
    lol unfortunatly what we have here is a prime example of a zebber
    with his "l33t speak"

    quick rundown? umm general w1zard yup me was one of those
    caused resets?
    damm i think i caused a number of those

    quite frankly i been around since there used to be good people at the ca like cypress hill optik etc now theres a few in amongst 30000 morons

    look at the boards filled with how do i use jtr
    damm eliza (a chat bot try Linus and skipjack for the answers)

    ie the so called hacker army post on how do i beat a simple game where the hardest part is rdns or finding a .su proxy

    a run down of their game and how good these hackers really are
    level1 - multiplaction of 3 numbers
    level2 - eliza (if i remember rightly) a chat bot guess the words
    level3 - download a file open in a hex editor and crack the des pass (ie copy in paste it into a txt file and run jtr)
    level4 - edit that bj.pl script to automaticly win at bj do a fake telnet to see a .doc file
    level5 - an exploit and core.exe yet again
    level6 - rdns and encrytion (find the proxy since morons at that place dont know what rdns is)

    now i cant remember cause i dont play it in a long **** time but it does go something like that
    or you could be buddy buddy with a mrashal and get General-Marshal rank with no knowledge whatsoever

    Change of Mind Most people jud ...LtKer shn -- 22/01/01

    Change of Mind

    Most people judge at first look (Eg. me [referring to earlier post]).
    Read smoke- and Savage's Replys.
    + Your MISQuotes are not liked by Me.

    P.S. I STILL DONT LIKE THIS ARTICLE.
    P.S.2 I am still and will always be unofficial.

    Ok W1Z, you seem to consider y ...smoke- -- 22/01/01

    Ok W1Z, you seem to consider yourself to be quite 'elite.' It is obvious from your statements. The fact of the matter is, not everybody is as great as you. I'm sure you came to CyberArmy fresh faced, trying to crack the code using the red, blue & green men, like people do every day.

    Your critical nature toward CyberArmy is quite ironic. You were once a member and were once heavily involved. A falling out with the members seems to have dramatically changed your principles.

    But I want to put a question to you. What good have you done lately. Something that has contributed to the internet in a positive manner. CyberArmy does this daily. I would like to see you try to create an organisation full of so many talented individuals, who work together for a purpose.

    If you are going to reply, please don't make it a pointless flame, or I won't reply.

    Kids stop flaming each other p ...Anonymous -- 22/01/01

    Kids stop flaming each other please, this leads to nowhere. If you really want to talk about this issue I suggest you to stick to mature discussion.

    Ihr habtt die Euroarmy.org ver ...CeeJay, a ¢µBÈ®JUÐA$ -- 22/01/01

    Ihr habtt die Euroarmy.org vergessen, an alle nicht Cyberarmy.com Mitglieder sei hier gesagt, auch mit schlechten englsich kenntissen seit ihr bei uns herzlich willkommen. Eigens dafür eingerichtet euroarmy.org
    cu all @ zebulun
    Lt.Ker. Cyberjudas

    Translation courtesy of Dictio ...Private I. Sheep -- 22/01/01

    Translation courtesy of Dictionary.com:

    "You habtt the Euroarmy.org forgotten, to all Cyberarmy.com of members is not said, also with bad englsich kenntissen here since it with us cordially welcomely. Especially for it created euroarmy.org "

    Well...There you have it.

    Kaladis, smoke- ...Understood and thankyou.

    I would have thought that clos ...Anonymous -- 22/01/01

    I would have thought that closing down a website - any website - would be a form of Net censorship

    Well, there is alot to be said ...RHL7 Group7 -- 22/01/01

    Well, there is alot to be said for the article, in which you make CA look like a puerile group of kids, yes certainly the vast majority could do with learning a little more about hex and TCP packets etc, HOWEVER IT IS NOT HOW YOU PORTRAY IT! if a stranger reads that article they will almost certainly get the wrong idea, I know that others have posted messages about how CA never "declares war" this is true for the majority, but CA does declare war, declares war on pedophiles, malicious hackers who will happily destroy Mr Bloggs' home run business which is run through his PC when they format his HD, CA stops many people who should frankly have better things to do than the above.
    If ZDnet would like to make the fact that part of CA which I work with, to erase child porography is a bad thing, that members are involved with some very important operations, and that taking down the wonderland group is also a shame. (how whoever wrote the article makes it seem), ZDnet: It is such a shame that an article which could have opened the world has now closed more doors than opened them.
    Next, the browser reading the posts above may well be appalled, having read them there are an awful lot of people who with the best intentions have now burned sopme of the few boats which were left, for them I would apologise but their arguements are all valid.
    STOP ARGUING EVERYONE! and for all you criticle outsiders, im sure with your infinite skills you would b able to reach the high ranks fast enough. If you are implementing your security policies that well you will have enough spare time to do it too.
    LEARN FROM IT EVERYONE AND STOP SWEARING!
    RHL7
    PS. it would be interresting for ZDnet to write a follow-up article maybe to correct some mistakes on the 30 second end of print job they posted.

    Founder Group7 Security
    http://group7.virtualave.net

    First of all, I'd like to make ...Lt Kernel Astarath -- 22/01/01

    First of all, I'd like to make clear that the FIRST THINKG any potential CyberArmy soldier should know is that Cyberarmy DOES NOT CONDONE ILLEGAL ACTION ON IT'S BEHALF.

    Thus, your inference that some missions voted through and carried out involved "taking down" websites (paedophile or not) is completely untrue.

    As a member of the CyberArm for over a year, I can honestly say that I have never seen any mission with anything slightly illegal in it voted through.

    As for Lt Kernel thepr0digy's defacement, that was completely unrelated to CyberArmy, that was in the name of his own group.

    I'd personally like to see a little more research into your stories before you make wild accusations, portraying the cyberarmy as a wild bunch of net vigilantes. We are not.

    Secondly, NOT EVERYONE POSTING ...Lt Kernel Astarath -- 22/01/01

    Secondly, NOT EVERYONE POSTING HERE IS A MEMBER OF CYBERARMY ALTHOUGH THEY MAY CLAIM TO BE!
    So in order to prevent confusion, I think it would be preferable to post a link to a message post on the wwwboard at cyberarmy.com

    Another thing. I'd like to address the points raised by various people on the feedback forum.

    Yes, we may have a lot of 'kiddiots' in the CyberArmy, but as a rule they tend to get stuck on lower ranks. They are the fools that sign up for cyberarmy, pay no attention to the section of text entailing what the CyberArmy stands for and how it proposes to achieve these aims. W1ZARD seems to be one of these - if he cannot spell, how does he hope to avoid syntax errors in his coding?

    Another point. The Netizens involved with the CyberArmy may have a certain age group. Is this better, or worse, than any other? Personally, I know some 20-30 year olds that are a lot less intelligent and moralistic than most of the members and officers in the CyberArmy I have communicated with, be it through real-time mediums such as IRC and ICQ, or through email.

    I hope someone from ZDnet is actually reading these replies

    Lt Kernel Astarath
    Zebulun Security Agency

    Lt Kernel Astarath - LoL umm l ...W1ZARD -- 23/01/01

    Lt Kernel Astarath - LoL
    umm lt kernal meaning your stuck on what level is it the rdns?
    lol sad lil man

    one of these sorry i think i have cleared allll those games that you quite obsv have trouble with (looking at your rank).

    spelling sorry quick typing to abuse the moronic ramblings of kiddies i dont tend to correct (considering i was writing 2 ton of actionscript in some flash at the time)
    (oh my codings fine btw i already got offers for software engineer/networking of a few decent unis so no need to worry kid)

    and age group tends to help considering your oh so mature an organised group managed to get all ruffled and start a flame war with me over what 3 posts ? lol not hard to **** children and watch all thier arguements fall apart in amongst the "l33t speak"

    i suggest ya walk away take a look at how easy it was for someone to make the group look dense and realise mc donalds is calling you all
    run to your 5* system ***** degenerate

    W1Z, do you expect anyone to t ...smoke- -- 23/01/01

    W1Z, do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you can't even construct a coherent and gramatically correct response? Your interpretation of my post was horrible, you seem to have totally bypassed what I said. Do you have trouble with comprehension (or should I say when you were a 'kid,' because it's bitingly obvious that you are a mature adult)?

    Try capitalising your sentences and try not to end them with a preposition (eg. one of these sorry i think i have cleared allll those games that you quite obsv have trouble with (looking at your rank)).

    You feel you must abuse us? Your flames lack any type of substance and are based on YOUR moronic ramblings (I did have to read your post twice).

    Within my post I said nothing about your coding ability. I also stated that your comments toward me being a 'kid' are unsubstantiated. I haven't once used 'l33t speak' as you call it and have proven myself to use more logical arguments than your pointless flames.

    The only person who looks stupid out of this is you, because your points aren't developed and you are using stereotyping to try and make a point. You have failed miserably. I plan not to post again, as I don't feel it is needed.

    Good luck with the software companies.
    smoke-

    ps. Your does not meab you are, you're means you are. Thankyou.

    Most Dictators in the world, s ...Keith Styles -- 08/02/01

    Most Dictators in the world, start at the lowest level as privates. Vigilanties such as this group have no way of determining the emotional or physological stability of its members. They may be smart(sic) but that isn't what policing the internet is about. I dislike censorship of any sort. As adults I believe we should be allowed to make our own decisions concerning the material we read, watch or listen to in any media. There are many who are not capable of using the information with common sense or self discipline, regretably, so we elect governments to impose at the very least a measure of control, to protect the majority.
    Allowing any uncontrolled group to police ANYTHING is a recipe for disaster. If we don't like what our governments are doing we can change it at the polling booths &/or lobby our local members to effect change in a civilized, calm & controlled debate. The policies of this group are in the main, totally uncontrolled by any measure of democratic process.

    Today, "kiddie-porn;" ...Harvey Freilich -- 12/02/01

    Today, "kiddie-porn;" tomorrow, freethought! all hail the human gods who wish to think for us, the common man. Sorry, my liege, but I decline to play your game - freemen decide for themselves what they will or will not do, watch, or believe!!

    Ahhh... CA is taking over zdne ...b0iler -- 13/02/01

    Ahhh... CA is taking over zdnet ;) However, I wish this article was longer than it is.

    btw: I am discussed that thepr0digy got printed, seems zdnet is in favor of defacing sites rather than taking them down legally and more efficiently.

    - so when are we going to replace this horrid msgboard with mr fong? :]

    Less than 0.1% of that '35,000 ...Anonymous -- 13/02/01

    Less than 0.1% of that '35,000' knows anything worthwhile. The other 99.9% are brainless kids that think that 'hacking' is the cool thing to do, and are more worried about beating the 'challenges' (which by the way are NOT very challenging) than learning anything or doing anything worthwhile. I agree that CA is going in a better direction that it was a year ago, but still, this article gives credit to a site that is, well, stupid. Any idiot (like me) can rise to top ranks (alot of morons made 'General' a year ago, me included), and was it not stated that the higher ranks run most of cyberarmy?

    Much (dis)respect, Ker. En1gma

    we definitly are not a group o ...cap. hermes4293 -- 02/05/01

    we definitly are not a group of hackers having fun in defeacing child-pornographic websites.
    we reach our goals with legal methods and cooperate with responsible authoities in our fight against child pornographic content.

    your problem is that you still asociate hacking with destructive cracking. CyberArmy didnt gain 'control' over the internet, it balances it....

    We never declared war to the G ...Anonymous -- 25/05/01

    We never declared war to the Governement ! We just hate Echelon and Carnivore etc. !

    Well, I read your article (ZDN ...Jimbo Jissem -- 23/06/01

    Well, I read your article (ZDNet), and figured why be the only Cyberarmy officer not to post a response? Well, here it is: Good article, good,good,good. Very informative, thank you for informing me about this "Cyberarmy". I greatly appreciate it...
    Good Morning,
    Good Evening,
    And G'night

    Well, I read your article (ZDN ...Jimbo Jissem -- 23/06/01

    Well, I read your article (ZDNet), and figured why be the only Cyberarmy officer not to post a response? Well, here it is: Good article, good,good,good. Very informative, thank you for informing me about this "Cyberarmy". I greatly appreciate it...
    Good Morning,
    Good Evening,
    And G'night

    <center><h1>War yo ...War God -- 05/07/01

    <center><h1>War you say</h1>Bring on the fong board gives this ugly thing the filck,ban the pedohiles,stop the isp's and goverment forcing there ideals upon us all, and make the net an excellent place full stop.

    Sounds like war to me ;-)

    <center><h1>War yo ...War God -- 05/07/01

    <center><h1>War you say</h1>Bring on the fong board gives this ugly thing the filck,ban the pedohiles,stop the isp's and goverment forcing there ideals upon us all, and make the net an excellent place full stop.

    Sounds like war to me ;-)

    <center><h1>Accide ...War God -- 05/07/01

    <center><h1>Accidents do happen Opps </h1>Bring on the fong board gives this ugly thing the filck,ban the pedohiles,stop the isp's and goverment forcing there ideals upon us all, and make the net an excellent place full stop.

    Sounds like war to me ;-)

    Look, no offense to any office ...Cap. pigsfl3w -- 17/07/01

    Look, no offense to any officers reading this, but the hierarchy of CyberArmy is starting to really breed contempt. Stop censoring things you dont like, and im not talking about zeb hints!

    what a big thing im in, lol. z ...Jeff -- 26/07/01

    what a big thing im in, lol. zdnet actually wrote an article on Cyberarmy., i just had to post my piece: SHN!!!!

    -LtKer. LucidKnight

    hmmmmm well... what can one sa ...Cap. Club -- 25/08/01

    hmmmmm well... what can one say?
    I'm a member of Cyber Army and i think what they are doing is right however! i don't see what right CYber Army has to take away people freedom in doing what they want to do? now don't get me wrong i think child porn is sick but i don't see why cyber army should be allowed to destroy web-sites that dont belong to them (no matter what's on the site)

    Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean you have the right to kill them?
    same as if u dont like a web site you can't just go and destroy it. If people we're allowed to do whatever they wanted we'd have more problems than we do now!

    well thats my view on it.

    Cap. Club

    I was a member of cyberarmy fo ...Anonymous -- 21/04/05

    I was a member of cyberarmy for a couple of years and that organization does nothing it talks about....its a bunch of egoists that think there little web site means something special....in fact that site has more infights between members than any organization I have seen before and basically there are still hackers because they haven't achieved anything spectacular in all there years and most members still have that mentality. To be honest, I have no clue how the cyberarmy can even take itself serious !!!

    I was a member of cyberarmy fo ...Anonymous -- 21/04/05

    I was a member of cyberarmy for a couple of years and that organization does nothing it talks about....its a bunch of egoists that think there little web site means something special....in fact that site has more infights between members than any organization I have seen before and basically there are still hackers because they haven't achieved anything spectacular in all there years and most members still have that mentality. To be honest, I have no clue how the cyberarmy can even take itself serious !!!

    I was a member of cyberarmy fo ...Anonymous -- 21/04/05

    I was a member of cyberarmy for a couple of years and that organization does nothing it talks about....its a bunch of egoists that think there little web site means something special....in fact that site has more infights between members than any organization I have seen before and basically there are still hackers because they haven't achieved anything spectacular in all there years and most members still have that mentality. To be honest, I have no clue how the cyberarmy can even take itself serious !!!

    Well , I'dont know how correct ...Anonymous -- 28/06/05

    Well , I'dont know how correct this article is , but i do know this :

    - When you register as a member of cyberarmy , you have to sign an agreement.

    - I'm only recently a member , and i joined OSIX (Open Source Institute )

    It's great because you learn a lot of new things , thanks to all the members.

    If you really look at it , you'll see that a lot of the information they share can help you ( It's doesn't just contain information about hacking , but also about security and programming )

    So please take an 'open minded' look , before you judge anything

    P.S : This is just my opinion , forgive me if i'm wrong
    .

    Hitler Jugend re-branded? Anonymous -- 28/10/05

    Sounds like modern day Hitler Jugend to me.

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