Greens oppose Conroy's internet filter

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25 November 2008 09:35 AM
Tags: bob brown, filter, greens, stephen conroy

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    Yah Communism For Everyone. Anonymous -- 25/11/08

    I really hate this idea if you cant police your own surfing habits or your kids web habits, you dont deserve the internet and sure as hell dont deserve kids!.

    The filter will do nothing but cost money how is this going to help anyone at all??

    Who's this going to help? Matt -- 25/11/08 (in reply to #320116990)

    Not so much how is it going to help, but the change is being made under the plea of 'save the children'.

    The people that this will affect are the families and students.

    The people that this will not affect will be the pedophiles and the pirates, they learnt about proxy servers, tor, tunnels and a variety of other methods to bypass these systems years ago.

    China has spent immense amounts of money and effort into the great firewall of China, and it still gets bypassed by large chunks of the more IT savvy population on a regular basis.

    Why does Australia think they can do better with all the ISPs hostile to the idea.

    not communist Simon -- 25/11/08 (in reply to #320116990)

    ISP level internet filtering is not "communist" in any way. It may be totalitarian or facist but not communist. A true communist country would have no filtering and equal access for every citizen, regardless of income or location.

    The Greens are looking to be the only sane choice left for this country, Labor is Liberal and vice versa these days. Kill the filtering idea before it goes any further! It's just silly.

    communism IS totalitarian and dictatorial in practice David Gahan -- 14/12/08 (in reply to #320117014)

    Simon, your post shows your true ignorance.

    Read some Marx, Engels, Chomsky...

    The "ideal" of communism is based on a fundamental idea that all human beings are well-meaning and altruistic. Such an idea is incredibly naive. There is no truer saying than "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

    Nationalising the means of production does not place control of production "in the hands of the people". To actually do it means eliminating the concept of private ownership, which means power to the state, not the people.

    Every time someone say "give control to the people" I counter with "which people?"

    It places control in the hands of the chosen few in control at the head of the party, as has happened with every communist experiment in history. People like you complain that in a capitalist democracy "80% of the wealth is in the hands of 20% of the people" (see the book "the 80/20 rule" for how those proportions affect all areas of existence: biology, socially, finance, physice, etc.).

    What you don't seem to "get", is that in communist country 99% of the wealth is controlled by <1% of the people: those wolves in the party who seize power.

    Communism is a great idea on paper, but put into practice the hands of human beings it inevitably becomes totalitarian tyranny no different in practice from facism.

    If you believe otherwise you really need to grow up.

    I am highly suspicious of Conroy's true goals; the excuse of blocking illegal material may just be the thin edge of the wedge for far more nefarious purposes.

    Even Libs don't like the filter Anonymous -- 25/11/08

    I wrote to my local MP, who happens to be a Liberal. His response stated that he thinks that the onus for responsible Internet use by children is on the parents and not on the ISP.

    Fingers crossed, my MP will stand on the correct side when it comes to voting down Conroy's brainfart of an idea.

    Greens oppose Conroy's filter Stuart King -- 25/11/08

    If the Greens can get this pathetic politically convenient excuse for legislation against a free Internet killed in it's tracks , they'll have my vote. Keep the pressure on , Bob Brown !

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