Does anybody like Norton AntiVirus?

By Munir Kotadia, ZDNet Australia
15 November 2004 05:12 PM
Tags: milisic, flaw, antivirus, norton, symantec, nav
commentary Has anybody had a good experience with Symantec's Norton Antivirus?

Whenever I have written about Symantec's flagship consumer antivirus application, the response from readers is always the same. Hordes of Symantec's customers write in complaining that Norton AntiVirus (NAV) sucks up their system resources, doesn't clean their computer thoroughly and when they finally decide to ditch the program altogether, they first need to download a special un-installation tool from Symantec's Web site.

Readers have also said that Live Update is difficult to configure when not in administrator mode, which is rather ironic because when the user is logged in as an administrator the application's script blocker is vulnerable to attack.

The least Symantec's customers should expect is real protection. Unfortunately, even that very basic requirement seems beyond the company's development teams -- and so the spin doctors and marketers are brought in to try and soften the blow.

In October, when a researcher discovered a security vulnerability in NAV, Symantec initially denied the problem existed, then admitted that there was a problem but played down its severity. Finally the company admitted that NAV was vulnerable to attack and retracted its earlier statements -- which the company admitted were factually incorrect.

So the situation right now is that Norton AntiVirus 2005 - which costs more than AU$90 from Symantec's Web site and is labelled "The world's most trusted antivirus solution" -- can be fooled by a simple script into turning off its auto-protect functionality and leaving the computer at a malicious user's mercy.

Last week, high-level executives from Symantec's US headquarters said that the company was working on strengthening the product's internal defence mechanisms to make it more resilient to such attacks.

However, these improvements are unlikely to be seen until the next version, which will be Norton AntiVirus 2006 and released in six months time.

Meanwhile, Symantec is hoping that a script kiddie will not find the exploit codes -- which have already started circulating around the Web -- and use them to launch an attack.

Mark Kennedy, architect, product delivery and response, said last week that if a virus writer was to use the exploit code and create a worm, the company would have a signature written to protect customers "within hours".

"Anybody that had not been hit by it and had updated their signatures before the worm infected their machine would be fully protected from it," said Kennedy.

What Kennedy failed to point out is that worms can travel around the world in minutes, which doesn't leave much time for Symantec to create the signature or NAV customers to download and install the update.

Vincent Weafer, the senior director of Symantec's Security Response team, said the reason why so many people complain about its product is that the company has such a large user base.

"We are on far more machines than most other people so you are going to get a lot of feedback," said Weafer.

Unless Symantec brings its NAV product up to date, Weafer is unlikely to be able to make the same claim two years from now. There are already a number of antivirus applications on the market, such as Grisoft's AVG, that are free to use and far less demanding of a computer's resources.

If Symantec really wants to reduce the number of people complaining about Norton AntiVirus, it should be improving the product rather than hiring spin doctors to try and cover up its flaws.

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Talkback 61 comments

    I have had generally positive ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    I have had generally positive experiences with NAV (& I still use 2002, after finding that newer versions offer no significantly greater protection). Though I have never suffered a serious virus infection, there are some definite problems with the product. Firstly, the auto-update feature cannot be relied upon, and can interfere with other processes and with internet performance. Secondly, Symantec's programs do not tend to play nicely with one another. Thirdly, their online support system is a nightmare to navigate. My impression of Symantec is of an organization which believes its own press. Inevitably, they will be in for a nasty surprise...

    Norton Virus = AntiVirus Hoax Anonymous -- 10/11/05 (in reply to #120110163)

    I feel bad for anyone that fell for the Norton AntiVirus Hoax. Norton is a Virus - It slows down your computer, takes your money, causes conflictions/errors/ or just plain out doesn't work, doesn't detect a lot of threats out there, and cannot be removed. Norton puts all of its resources on advertising and promoting the product, instead of development. What a scam.

    What a hit piece. Did you sho ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    What a hit piece. Did you short the stock or something? Unfair and unbalanced, you could write for Fox!

    Hey, I like NAV! I have made ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    Hey, I like NAV! I have made a tidy sum cleaning viruses off of customers computers that run Norton's. I wish more people used it.

    Good on you Munir! NAV sucks r ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    Good on you Munir!
    NAV sucks resources like mad, has a weird interface and is the single greatest factor in slowing down my PC. And auto update is patchy at best.

    I have been using NAV for many ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    I have been using NAV for many years and it has saved me countless times from the various nasties that float around the net.
    No, I don't work for Symantec or have shares in the company. I just find it works very well for me.
    I have flirted with AVG but it doesn't seem to be as comprehensive a solution as NAV. You get what you pay for.
    Don't ask me about Norton's firewall, though. That would be a totally different story.
    Greg

    Tim, mate, stick to your st ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    Tim,
    mate, stick to your stockbroking and take it from an IT Professional, in the AV space there's Trend and then there the "rest".

    All I know about it is that ev ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    All I know about it is that everytime anyone I know has installed it, things just stop working. From networking to printing, something always went wrong. Granted it is only a small number of people (about 6) that I know have tried it, but 100% of them has had mysterious ailments since. As a result I have a brand new box of their stuff that I won which I am too frightened to install

    Norton/Symantec Antivirus Anonymous -- 27/12/05 (in reply to #120110175)

    I second you. I am not normally one to despise a piece of software, but I can say with certainty that purchasing norton antivirus 2005 was a complete waste of money.

    Attempting to renew my subscription via their website was essentially impossible -- the only convenient way to do anything was to actually purchase an entire new package. To attempt to renew, which the site claims is possible, leads you on a long, circular path of conjoined websites, but never to any kind of successful download.

    The performance hit of running norton alone seems to be about 50% as bad as just running with a million worms and virusses anyways.

    Moreover, the automated scheduling of antivirus is boggling me. I just seems so stupid, that I must be making a mistake; however after much searching, i can't seem to see what my mistake might be. Anyways, under XP, i (and othe rusers) generally log out at the end of my session. When logged out, the norton auto-scheduled scan does not occur. This completely prevents the ability to schedule a scan at odd hours of the night.

    There also seem to be many virusses that specifically attack norton, rendering it inoperable or malfunctioning.

    It also seems to be subpar at actually detecting threats. Of course, norton sends a cryptic pop up every time i send an email or open an internet app, but when it comes to actually detecting and finding threats I usually have to turn to a free service (like trend micro's housecall) to REALLY get the job done. It is infuriating to run norton (which I paid for, and which takes forever), have it find nothing, only to open free Trend and it is much more effective.

    The interface is brutal, what with its tendency to open a million daughter windows and to react so slowly.

    Basically, I don't know why I bought a second copy of norton, i guess just force of habit, and some deep down belief that software which you pay for just CANT BE THAT CRAPPY. But folks, it is.

    Stay clear of norton.

    Jeff

    Norton is waste of money Anonymous -- 13/01/09 (in reply to #120126065)

    And new Vista version doesn't work with XP so you have to purchas a separate licence if you have both Vista and XP. It sucks.
    I agree with Jeff.
    Stay clear of Norton.

    How about a reader survey? :-) ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    How about a reader survey? :-)
    Nav has been good in past, but have had bugs and sucks up system and network resources - have many customers with network performance issues after upgrading. Last updrade was extremely painful for us. Would not recommend it anymore.

    Symantec was the King in the D ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    Symantec was the King in the DOS days, but has become increasingly inferior as each year has rolled on in the Windows relm.
    Its resource hungry, slows everything to a snail, major problems with Live Update & Registration for the several years now. Does a poor job in detecting worms. Has caused many a Blue Screen of death in the early days of Win 95 - 98 & XP.
    Its cumbersome to use & has continual glitches, the amount of wasted man hours I have lost due to this buggy software is unacceptable.
    I would NOT go back to it if they paid me, Norman Antivirus & Firewall (NIC) are far superior I have not had a problem with NIC in the 2 years I have been using NIC.
    Recommend Norman to anyone who wants a rock solid piece of software to do what its suppose to do - Protect you.

    I'll refrain from swearing but ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    I'll refrain from swearing but let's just say that Norton's is being dumped from my computer and Trend Micro's PC-cillin will be installed. Every day when NAV pops up and tells me I have only 26,25,24 days to renew, I get a shiver of anticipation. Is that wrong?

    Bye bye Norton . . . that's if I can ever unistall it properly

    I have been a "Fan" ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    I have been a "Fan" of Norton Since the Dos days. I have noticed that I was losing more and more resources to NAV, but thought that it was part of the "Cost" of keeping virus free. I have been fighting a virus that modifies my DNS, and a trojan that would change my Admin Password. Norton did not find it, updates everything, finally an associate said try Trend Micro. It found the offending virus and trojan during the frist pass. Now my system is "Clean", how many hours have I lost trying to locate those two. While I may use the Utilities, I am Uninstalling NAV NOW, and getting my resources back.

    As an IT professional I can ho ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    As an IT professional I can honestly say that I believe I have un-installed NAV more times than I have installed it. My customers typically pay for the product and install it and then find that either their computer grinds to a halt or that their computer gets infected with a virus even though the virus data files are up to date. I have not been able to recommend NAV to my customers for more than 3 years as I am liable for recommendations I make. I do not believe my professional indemnity insurance would cover me if I was sued for recommending NAV to a customer!

    Norton Anti Virus is Great. Al ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    Norton Anti Virus is Great. Always kept my computers Free of Viruses. Norton Personal Firewall is also a great prog.

    Interesting - I didn't realise ...Anonymous -- 16/11/04

    Interesting - I didn't realise that NAV had so many people against it.

    I have been using Norton Internet Security 2003 since April 2003 - downloaded at a very decent AUD price from Symantec's US site. I have found this product to be well-behaved and effective in stopping viruses, intrusions and the like.

    Yes - LiveUpdate takes some time/resources to run but I would rather have that than a non-working machine due to a virus infection.
    Also, the one time I had to uninstall/reinstall NIS, the experience was as bad as getting rid of Gator !! Anyway, it is working fine after that so I am happy again.
    I also had issues with NIS not working properly when there are too many programs in startup - funnily enough, that problem has gone away with XP SP2.
    Recently, I saw NIS LiveUpdate make some oblique remarks about XP SP2's security features, which interferes with NIS ... thought that was a bit catty.

    All in all, my AUD 67 investment in NIS has worked well over the last year, and as long as my PC remains virus-free, it's all good, man !!

    > Symantec was the King in ...Anonymous -- 17/11/04

    > Symantec was the King in the DOS days
    Nah, McAfee and Thunderbyte were.

    Nortons is the sister to McAfee, they both come as OEM software on systems from some reputable companies and re-sellers. All they are is Bloatware that consumes resources in order for the owner to one day get sick to death with it all and go buy a new system and/or other AV software. Its all a marketing gimmick....

    me? I use VET. And even this is starting to become bloatware in the past six months. Its hit the 8 meg mark already.

    Trend? Tried it. Deleted it.

    Gotta go an try sophos one day.

    I used to use NAV but it kept ...Anonymous -- 17/11/04

    I used to use NAV but it kept on stopping me from getting updates after a year.. Well.. Yuck..

    I now use ClamWin which is free, is updated more frequently, only thing it doesnt scan files when saved (so stuff happens quicker), It has a scheduler to scan files.. (May also e-mail scanning for microslop programs but I dont use them and my e-mail is scanned before it hits my computer)..

    Look at http://www.clamwin.com/

    I have used Norton Products in ...Anonymous -- 17/11/04

    I have used Norton Products in the past such as Anti Virus and System Works. Never again!! Norton products suck system resources dry and almost impossible to get rid of all files from a PC.

    Use VET Anti Virus

    Hi all readers, I think it is ...Anonymous -- 17/11/04

    Hi all readers,

    I think it is so stupid that Vincent Weafer said "We are on far more machines than most other people so you are going to get a lot of feedback," said Weafer.

    That has nothing to do with getting the problem fixed.

    And don't forget that people do move on and brand loyalty is dying out. If you have problems and your support cost money, people will move on.

    Customers pay your salary, don't forget that...stupid Symantec management.

    Some free anti-virus out there are better than Norton!

    Hi all readers, I think it is ...Anonymous -- 17/11/04

    Hi all readers,

    I think it is so stupid that Vincent Weafer said "We are on far more machines than most other people so you are going to get a lot of feedback," said Weafer.

    That has nothing to do with getting the problem fixed.

    And don't forget that people do move on and brand loyalty is dying out. If you have problems and your support cost money, people will move on.

    Customers pay your salary, don't forget that...stupid Symantec management.

    Some free anti-virus out there are better than Norton!

    I liked the article as it rang ...Anonymous -- 17/11/04

    I liked the article as it rang true with my experience of Symantec's post DOS NAV offerings.

    Certainly, I'll agree Munir is one sided here (no prize for guessing for or against!) however, you only have to read this paragraph, "Whenever I have written about Symantec’s flagship consumer antivirus application, the response from readers is always the same. Hordes of Symantec's customers write in complaining..." to see why portraying the product thus is the logical conclusion.

    I will add that I definitely believe that NAV isn't such a big seller because of its quality - which Symantec would indicate is the case. At least not anymore. Like another commenter, I agree NAV was simply the best in the DOS-95 days, with a small foot print and an extensive virus dictionary. Of course, for average Joe, the Net wasn't such a big deal back then and as such, nor was email. Nav just had to protect against floppy-borne virii, for the most part.

    Nowadays, I see Nav's popularity being attributed to uptake by beginners and more than likely because their new machines and motherboards come bundled with the software, albeit with a 3 month trial period. It gets installed,is left installed and again, average Joe plods on and blames 'too many pictures on my hard disk' as the likely culprit for a lagging system.

    To support this conclusion: I worked for an ISP as a technical supervisor a few years back and the amount of calls we got where email connectivity had mysteriously disappeared due to NAV was quite amazing. The usual fix was to reinstall/repair NAV should re-entry of mail server setting (to be picked up by nav and replaced by localhost redirectors) fail. Not what you'd expect from a mature product.

    Luckily, I left the ISP just as Symantec Internet Security was coming in (in a big way) but I still dealt with a few customers who were privileged enough to have the product spontaneously block WEB, or worse, DNS traffic for no good reason and weren't able to be helped by our junior techs.

    Unfortunately, a few colleagues at my current job run the IS package and I have had to correct these faults in 2004 versions of the software.

    Ultimately, I abandoned thinking of NAV as an adequate package when I found a copy of 2003 (may have been 02) cheap at a local store (before the time of AVG) and got it for a friend who had no protection at all. After installing it, it would try anywhere between 5-15 times to establish a dialup connection upon booting windows. I attempted to look for check boxes to correct the fault and found none so headed for the US Symantec help boards. The problem was active over numerous threads but Symantec was adamant it did not exist. One user had found a solution that worked in some versions of windows and thankfully it worked for us but it was the nail in the coffin for Nav and sums up Symantec's current attitude of not wanting to know about it until they're good and ready.

    In the article, this paragraph demonstrates that Symantec’s finger has well and truly fell from the pulse: "What Kennedy failed to point out is that worms can travel around the world in minutes, which doesn’t leave much time for Symantec to create the signature or NAV customers to download and install the update."

    We only have to look at MyDoom to see how many machines would not boot, let alone connect with a hosed Winsock to allow an update to see that this rebuttal was frightfully accurate!

    I certainly don't hate Symantec and I don't mistrust their product - it's just that I know it's not as good as other offerings nor is the support - home product-wise anyway.

    Before I go, did anyone else receive this in the ZD newsletter interspersed with Symantec Adds?! :) I guess there is no such thing as bad publicity.

    We replaced a small network of ...Anonymous -- 17/11/04

    We replaced a small network of 8 PCs with new Pentium 4 2.8GHz machines running XP Pro peer-to-peer late last year. They came with NAV2004, repolacing our old KAV. They ran quite a bit faster than our old Pentium 2 setup, and we were happy with the speed increase until we upgraded the "server" machine to SP2. The network became so slow it was almost unuseable. We blamed SP2, but Microsoft told us the bogging down was due to NAV. A tech confirmed this, then proceeded to demonstrate the huge increase in speed gained simply by removing NAV from a couple of the SP1 machines. We trialled KAV and NOD32 anti-viruses for a couple of weeks, and settled on NOD32. Norton Anti-Virus ? NEVER AGAIN!

    Every week I have 5 or 6 custo ...Anonymous -- 17/11/04

    Every week I have 5 or 6 customer machines coming in that have serious virus problems, the customer typically has NOD, AVG, PC Cillan, or a number of other AV "solutions" NAV is the only one that consistently produces timely fixes and protects my customer. I have two caveats - when NAV is working it is THE BEST Solution but many times I have had to sort out installation problems - secondly - Symantec subscription services sucks big time - to often I have had a client complain that they paid their subscription on the Symantec web site but it did not update within their computer - they really need to fix that.

    Well, I'm using NOD32 for many ...Anonymous -- 17/11/04

    Well, I'm using NOD32 for many years now. I'm satisfied!

    And I thought it was just me - ...Anonymous -- 18/11/04

    And I thought it was just me - I have had numerous problems with NAV, sometimes it seems a runaway AV process kicks off which completely sucks the life out of my computer (though that has since mysteriously gone away). Auto-update works sometimes & hangs others. I have not found much on their on-line help. It does seem like an unstable product at times. Having said that, it has also saved my computer at times so I have lived with the nuances, but it's times they made it more robust.

    And I thought it was just me - ...Anonymous -- 18/11/04

    And I thought it was just me - I have had numerous problems with NAV, sometimes it seems a runaway AV process kicks off which completely sucks the life out of my computer (though that has since mysteriously gone away). Auto-update works sometimes & hangs others. I have not found much on their on-line help. It does seem like an unstable product at times. Having said that, it has also saved my computer at times so I have lived with the nuances, but it's times they made it more robust.

    Does anybody know how Anti-Vir ...Anonymous -- 19/11/04

    Does anybody know how Anti-Virus works?

    Come on folks and gurus, please get with the program.

    You do not have any level of protection for new viruses, until it has infected one of you, whether you like it or not.

    How do you think Anti-Virus vendors write a new virus definition? Out of thin air?

    If the virus has not infected anyone already using NAV, how would SYMANTEC know it even existed? They read ZDNET to find out;)

    Do SYMANTEC's competition, eg Trend or Sophos actually share their definitions if they beat them to the punch? Not very likely.

    The flaw means the potential risk has risen on finding new viruses in NAV. Yes the probability of any individual pc getting a virus is low - unless oyu talk to those who have lost data and downtime.

    Better knowledge is attainable. Personal opinions are great too.

    Now, do we have any comments from the ACCC on retailing the product, with this flaw?

    Does anybody know how Anti-Vir ...Anonymous -- 19/11/04

    Does anybody know how Anti-Virus works?

    Come on folks and gurus, please get with the program.

    You do not have any level of protection for new viruses, until it has infected one of you, whether you like it or not.

    How do you think Anti-Virus vendors write a new virus definition? Out of thin air?

    If the virus has not infected anyone already using NAV, how would SYMANTEC know it even existed? They read ZDNET to find out;)

    Do SYMANTEC's competition, eg Trend or Sophos actually share their definitions if they beat them to the punch? Not very likely.

    The flaw means the potential risk has risen on finding new viruses in NAV. Yes the probability of any individual pc getting a virus is low - unless oyu talk to those who have lost data and downtime.

    Better knowledge is attainable. Personal opinions are great too.

    Now, do we have any comments from the ACCC on retailing the product, with this flaw?

    I must have uninstalled NAV (o ...Anonymous -- 20/11/04

    I must have uninstalled NAV (or attempted to) dozens of times. It just simply doesn't work!
    How is it that a program costing absolutley nothing (Grisoft's AVG) consistently outperforms NAV which costs close to one hundred dollars for the retail version?

    I repair 3-4 PCs a day, and every single one that is 'infected' with NAV has experienced major slowdowns and bizare crashes, as well as the live update often not working and autoprotect function turned off (even after I activate it).

    Much like Telstra, Norton is regarded as the best AV package simply because they advertise the most and make deals with the big PC vendors and motherboard makers to have their bloatware included for free (if you can call a 60 day trial free).
    I still use Norton Utilities and Ghost, but I'm asked to remove it from every client's PC after I install AVG and it picks up a heap of viruses and trojans that NAV has missed, even when kept up-to-date. My customers quickly change their minds regarding NAV after such a simply little demonstration.

    Finaly, if you are going to post your opinions, then at least have the decency to leave your details instead of posting under 'Anonymous'. Anything posted under 'Anonymous' bears no credibility!

    I strongly agree. If you are u ...Anonymous -- 21/11/04

    I strongly agree. If you are using NAV or SAV, please wake up, stop being sheeped into it by someone who has no idea, be it a friend, computer store rep, ads or something else and pickup a decent, well tested, very reliable & very efficient virus scanner such as NOD32 (www.nod32.com.au)

    I've never liked NAV. There h ...Anonymous -- 01/12/04

    I've never liked NAV. There has always been something better and cheaper. It's such a resource hog!

    I'll take AVG over NAV any day and the new version fixes the shortcommings I thought version 6 had.

    NAV sucks but I use and like S ...Anonymous -- 20/12/04

    NAV sucks but I use and like SAV. Go figure.

    it seems that many things have ...Anonymous -- 20/12/04

    it seems that many things have been said to make norton ridiculed well tell me what would you do without them any other anti virus program can easy as 1 2 3 be over written try over writing norton infact i chalange any pc user to show a better product i also had doubts about nav however it only came from there rivals in the market who else would bother to me and i say this with all real knowledge of virus script no other anti v can give you the protection of nav all the other competion say this and that well lets see stop the crap of tall poppy and use your brains not one single company even comes close

    I got a trial of NAV 2004 with ...Anonymous -- 11/02/05

    I got a trial of NAV 2004 with my PC, and made the mistake of installing it. Every time I ran a scan, NAV left several gigabytes of work files in a temp directory. Of course, next time it ran, it scanned those files and left a fresh batch. After a couple of runs, a full scan took about 8 hours. Norton support initially claimed this behavior was due to a virus infection. After thier scan and McAfee's proved there was no such infection, they swore the problem would be fixed if I paid for their full version...no thanks. I installed PC-Cillin yesterday.

    I certainly don't. I had used ...Anonymous -- 13/02/05

    I certainly don't. I had used Viruscan and ZoneAlarm Pro for years until I bought a new computer that came with NAV and Firewall pre-installed. Both were aggravating and incredibly difficult to configure. Needless to say, I uninstalled both and installed my trusted favorites. If they ever expect to appeal to me as a customer, they had better make these programs more smoothly functioning and much easier to deal with and configure!

    Norton Antivirus is still the ...Anonymous -- 06/03/05

    Norton Antivirus is still the best to me. Maybe htey do have problems but soon things will work out but overall it saved my computer many times.

    I have been looking for a good ...Anonymous -- 21/04/05

    I have been looking for a good excuse to be rid of Norton Antivirus for a long time. I use Norton 2003, and for the 2 years that I had it, it has yet to find a virus. Im a P2P user and with all the music I download, there should be a virus in my system by now. There was a breif period where I uninstalled Norton and put in AVG and in the first week it found over 15 viruses all over my system. It deleted most of those and the few it couldn't were stalled. But I ended up with Norton in the end again. Long ago I had windows ME and Norton found viruses but it never deleted them. I now have XP Home and it even worse, I thank you for your encouraging article.

    NAV sucks, it does a great job ...Anonymous -- 29/04/05

    NAV sucks, it does a great job of telling you whats wrong with your pc, but doesnt do anything about it. why even put a delete button for the viruses if everytime its going to fail?

    NAV SUCKS !!!!!!!! I have had ...Anonymous -- 26/05/05

    NAV SUCKS !!!!!!!! I have had nothing but problems with it. The live update stopped working. After searching Norton's web site for a fix I was finally directed to do a re-install. Hey great. Everything worked fine for a couple months. Now a different problem. Guess what. Their solution is to do a re-install. I absolutely hate this product. What a bunch of idiots.

    I have norton System works 200 ...Anonymous -- 31/05/05

    I have norton System works 2005 preimer and i have NEVER once had a problem. I have NEVER had a problem with norton. i mean hear alot of people who have HAD problems but on the other hand i hear quite the opposite as well. this seems to b like SP2. which works for one person may not work for the next..

    Im a service manager for a com ...Anonymous -- 25/06/05

    Im a service manager for a computer repair company. I used to push Nav all the time, but now it is hands off Nav 05 kills any machine that is marginally in performance and when Nav screws up it's a bear to repair. Normally no virus just a fussed up computer with nortons doing the dirty deed. We have stopped selling Nav and are recommending free av's. Funny thing is nortons corporate is a great program to bad the stand alone can't be as good. The King is dead.

    Norton Anti-Virus SUCKS! The ...Anonymous -- 18/07/05

    Norton Anti-Virus SUCKS! The last time it detected a virus it was unable to delete and unable to quarantine! Then when I clicked the OK button it would no longer allow me to sign into windows. After days of ripping my hair out and non-English speaking customer service reps I just reformatted my hard drive! I received a letter from Norton explaining that the virus must have caused the problems and assured me that it wouldn't happen again! BULL! Norton detected 2 trojan horses, was unable to quarantine or delete them AND LOCKED MY COMPUTER INTO SAFE MODE AND INACTIVATED THE INTERNET CONNECTION! What a freaking nightmare! Customer service informed me that ALL symantec calls go to INDIA now and there was NO English speaking reps ever available! Long story short--computer geek ended up having to reformat the hard drive AGAIN! I HATE NORTON ANTIVIRUS! THE PRODUCTS ARE GARBAGE AND THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE REPS DON'T KNOW A MEGABYTE FROM A DOG BITE! The free anti-virus software avaiable on the net quarantined AND deleted the trojan horses!

    I hate Norton Antivirus Anonymous -- 07/02/06 (in reply to #120119263)

    I just spent 18 days pulling my hair out, trying to install the renewal to my Norton Antivirus. I was finally able to install the third program I purchased (they refunded the first 2) and it only took 3 1/2 hours, not including running the virus updates. The old one expired tomorrow & I emailed them that if I didn't get it installed by today I was contacting the Better Business Bureau wherever they're located (in India?). They didn't even respond to that email. It was one thing after another...it wouldn't download, it wanted proxy settings that weren't in the computer, etc. What a frigging nightmare! I think next year I'll just uninstall Norton and install McAfee. It can't be any worse than this.

    Nothing but trouble with Norto ...Anonymous -- 26/07/05

    Nothing but trouble with Norton Security and Antivirus. I have worms and viruses. Norton prompted me to un-install but I was unable to re-install.

    Problem isn't with Norton, Your infected already Anonymous -- 04/08/05

    I have used Norton Antivirus (Corporate Edition), Norton personal Firewall and Norton Ghost for many years with no problems what so ever. I have never had a Trojan, virus, or worm make it into in my computer, I have seen many viruses and worms intercepted by Norton and destroyed, thousands of port scans detected (Norton Kept my ports well hidden in stealth mode and didn't allow my computer to reply to hacker pings). Yes I have used other software such as Black ice Defender, Zone Alarm Pro (my second favorite) and many others; Norton makes very good anti virus/hacking software second to no one, Norton software kicks the crap out of all of them, nobody does it better.

    So or many years I could not understand why Norton is hated so much by so many and why people **** and complain about how bad Norton is and how it slows their system down, causes crashes, etc, etc. (kinda sounds like symptoms of a virus or trojan eh!).

    I think I know why Norton is so hated now because of some problems I had with Norton. When I finally built a new computer and installed an older original version of Windows XP, a fresh install on new hard drives, after installing almost everything else I finally got around to install the virus and firewall software. The virus software went nuts upon reboot a warning popped up ever second as it tried to isolate and kill all the worms and viruses than somehow go on my hard drive. After a few minutes Norton Antivirus turned off and I couldn't turn it back on. Then Norton Internet Security firewall shut down and it refused to turn on. So I went online line and downloaded some standalone virus software (my computer kept trying to shut down ever couple of minutes due to the sassier worm), so I physically disconnected my computer from the Internet and used the stand-alone virus programs. Then reinstalled the firewall and virus software and scanned the hell out of my hard drives. Gone back on line and downloaded the virus updates and found several other new worms, rescanned in safe mode and found some more and then everything seemed to be okay for a day or so. Then suddenly Norton Internet security shut down and refused to restart (told me I didn't have administrator rights); then once again the virus software shut down. I guess my hard drive was still dirty.

    Basically parts of the sassier worm as well as other worms and viruses are designed and written to target and launch an attack upon Norton Software. The people who write the viruses and worms don't like Norton and they would prefer you not to like or use Norton either. I reformatted the hard drives several times the reinstalled windows XP (while disconnected from cable internet modem). Installed Norton and set it up before I connected the cable modem, went immediately to windows update for patches and Norton live update at same time and crossed my fingers that nothing slipped in undetected before the updates and security patches could be downloaded and installed.

    Two years latter and my system is still very fast, virus free, haven't had a pop up for years.

    So if Norton Won't turn on and stay on, shuts itself off, tells you don't have administrator rights (won't let you change options, etc), takes more than a few seconds to load, etc your system is already compromised. Some kid somewhere may have a Trojan planted in your computer and may be using it for denial of service attacks against web sites, or for whatever he wants to use it for.

    So get some protection, firewall and Virus protection and keep them updated, get your security updates from windows also!

    Norton SUCKS!! Toby Chavez -- 07/08/05

    Norton is a piece of crap. I hate this software. I refuse to use it or load it on any computer that I service or build. It is a far worse "virus" than anything that it protects against. Seriously, what other virus takes up all of your system resources and disk space? Is there another virus that is virtually impossible to uninstall or disable that slows a machine down like Norton? It is pretty much the dirtiest program ever created.

    Well Norton do some good but in average is poor antivirus... Anonymous -- 17/08/05

    I am an IT professional, and work with antivirus programs on daily basis. Norton really is terrible product. For the price of it you better purchase something like BitDefender, its much stable, and much more protective then NAV.

    Norton 2005 security package sucks Anonymous -- 04/10/05

    I was very pleased with the 2004 version. I upgraded to the internet security 2005 - this package sucks. It killed my PC so I had to turn all the options off - so what is the point of having security software if you can not run it. Save your money. Do not buy Norton package unless you have a Supercomputer.

    norton 2004 Susan -- 31/10/06 (in reply to #120121647)

    I agree it does suck. When you do a scan, it doesn't tell you how too get rid of any virus's. You pay money for rubbish, and when I try and get answers no one wants too know you.

    Symantec - Norton Products Rick Carter -- 08/11/05

    I've been an infrastructure tech for over 25 years now. For many years Norton Products were the goto solution for many problems. Norton Anti-virus was the best product on the market until 2004. Since then Norton products have created a lot of business for me. All their security products really do suck a system dry. If they break they are almost impossible to fix, if you uninstall them (if at all possible) they rarely can be reinstalled. They can block your access to the Internet or crash your system. The one product that does work pretty good is Ghost. You can but a workstation copy or an Enterprise version for a minimum of 10 licenses ($392.00). No in-between for small businesses. They are very unfriendly support wise. So buyer beware. I would not recommend or buy any of their products ever again!!

    I hate, i hate, i really really hate norton products. Anonymous -- 23/11/05

    I am the supervisor of my computer. Nobody else uses this computer but me....i can't uninstal the program..i dont know what my password is..it is not the same password as my computer...i am ready to reinstall everything in this brand new computer and delete everything belonging to this freaking company...this really sucks.

    NAV???? Bryan Spears -- 10/12/05

    We use nav at work to scan files before we transfer them.. we do computer repair and its been somewhat efficent for us however i would not use it in my home due to the fact that its an annoying **** program to have running and does consume.. ive also had problems after uninstalling... seems to me that uninstalling should just do what it says..

    Norton AV 2006 Edward Ham -- 28/04/06

    I purchased two copies of Norton Antivirus 2006 several months ago, and three weeks after they were installed both computers started showing problems. Eventually both had to be removed. I will never try another product by this company again.

    Amen, brother Anonymous -- 08/07/06

    I just wasted almost two and a half work days trying to undo the damage done when I attempted to renew the Norton anti-virus subscription at my church office. The tech support guy was useless, and it was only because someone got the IT guy where they work to give me a program to negate Norton was the computer functional again. I would NEVER have even tried to use Norton, except it was on the office computer at the church where I work. I've been using Grisoft's free AVG for years and have never had a problem. All copies of Norton should be thrown on a bonfire, and people who wrote that code banished to Amish country for a year.
    Pastor Kim

    Symantec Corporate is horrible Anonymous -- 06/11/06

    Well, my college requires that we install Symantec 2005 antivirus on our computers so that they know that everything is "updated and safe" because last year they didn't require any certain antivirus and one worm spread throughout the entire campus network and messed up about half the computers.

    without knowing this, I just bought a T60, installed avg(which has never let a virus by, I know because i've checked with both the panda and mcafee online scanners) so i was safe to go online and brought it here. (got it too late to install any software other than that and microsoft office and firefox). Anyway, they told me to uninstall avg and install symantec. I gave them a hard time (because i had to reinstall windows last time I put norton on my computer). However, they comforted me in saying that this was completely set up for me and wasn' t norton, it was just symantec corporate edition.

    I believed them and installed it. Rebooted, and, not to my suprise, something went wrong. Symantec thought that the thinvantage hard drive shock protection utility was hijacking my computer (WONDERFUL!). It came up with thousands of warnings, there was actually a counter at the bottom of the POP UP dialog (every time it used a cpu cycle or something) and it kept my 1.83 ghz core duo at about 95 percent all the time while i got these warnings. I was not willing to turn off one of the best features of this laptop for symantec. Nobody could figure out how to fix this and unnecessarily turned off vpn controls, among a ton of other things, which just ended up crippling my computers ability to connect to the internet.

    I took my messed up computer back to my dorm, reinstalled windows, installed avg, and i am now dealing with signing back on to the network every two hours or so because it keeps telling me that i don't have the correct antivirus software installed. THANK YOU SYMANTEC.

    i asked if they could make an exception or allow avg, but they won't/ can't do that for one kid out of thousands at the college. instead they told me to call one phone number who told me it was a problem with the school's network. so i called the school network guys, who said it was a problem with the login program, and sent me back to the first people, who, when i called them a second time, sent me back to the network guys at my college.

    whatever, at least it works now. i can deal with logging on every once in a while if it means my computer functions correctly.

    Norton Antivirus Anonymous -- 26/07/09

    To answer your question "NO" I have honestly found that Norton was the biggest waste of time and money of any software I have ever purchased.

    I would however suggest it to my enemies LOL

    Norton Antivirus Stinks Anonymous -- 09/09/09

    I purchased Norton Antivirus and installed on my computer. The box said use on 3 computers. So I tried to use it on the other 2 computers and said invalid. So I called them and they said you can use it on 1 computer only, I told the box said 3 computers. So I returned the product to the store and swore never to use a norton porduct again...

    Got rid of Norton, much happier and better protected now Anonymous -- 05/11/09

    I used to use Norton. It was slow, buggy, unreliable, and inefficient at removing the more invasive, higher-risk infections. Had to reformat / reinstall Windows TWICE in order to rid myself of malware that Norton was unable to block or remove on its own.

    Switched to Webroot AV and Spy Sweeper, and have been problem free ever since. Most malware gets blocked before it even touches my machine, and the stuff that gets through is easily removed with the software, even some of the more invasive worms and trojans that would have completely locked me out of Norton. Recommend also downloading Malwarebytes Anti-Malware because it does seem to occasionally pick up stuff that Webroot doesn't catch for some reason, though in fairness, it picked up a lot more of what Norton missed on a regular basis.

    I've used both AVG and Norton in the past and both have left me disappointed and unable to rid my comp of some nasty infections. So far Webroot is batting 1000 when it comes to stopping malware in its tracks and repairing my computer back to its original state, compared to only about a 75% success rate with Norton products.

    Norton is adequately mediocre AV software that will protect you from the wimpiest amateur bunny-fluff infections while slowing down your computer and sucking away your money in the process. But if you need to get something truly nasty off of your computer, I would recommend looking for something more effective. Shouldn't be too hard to find something more effective than Norton.

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