Australians voice anger over online spying

Only three percent of surveyed ZDNet readers believe Internet Service Providers should monitor all user activity, following a parliamentary report that recommends user logs should be kept on customers' online activities.

The diminutive support for tighter online monitoring was transcended by a resounding 60 percent of polled readers who said they would kick up a fuss until the law was changed, if ISPs were forced to maintain access logs.

The report by the Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Crime Authority (NCA) has spurred a barrage of criticism from both civil liberties groups and consumers, whilst ISPs have responded cautiously as to what their stance would be if maintaining access logs - which could be used as evidence by law enforcement agencies - was to become part of their daily grind.

"I'm not entirely sure what the Government, in conjunction with the NCA, is attempting to achieve. I mean, if this is all to try and stop crime in general, then why target the Internet? Why not monitor our driving destinations, our phone calls and our snail mail? If the short answer is 'because it's not possible' and not 'because it's improper' then that is scary indeed," Anthony Abrami, an IT systems officer from Tasmania, told ZDNet Australia.

-If the aim is to target pornography and illegal software then surely the focus should be to target the offending sites, shouldn't it? I think stiffer penalties for offenders would also serve as a better deterrent -- maybe this is what the Government and the NCA should be lobbying for. At present, it appears all that they're lobbying for is giving us a taste of what paroled prisoners must experience." he added.

Another ZDNet reader suggested that the more users who stop using the Internet altogether, the easier the job for ISPs where monitoring is concerned. However, whilst this would surely hurt the bottom line of the service providers, only 17 percent of polled ZDNet readers said they would consider giving up using the Internet if the online monitoring was enforced.

In an earlier interview with ZDNet, security specialist Glenn Miller described the retention of access logs by ISPs as -covert spying" -- engaging people who are not law enforcers and do not therefore have the necessary skills or the right to access personal information in this way.

There is the general belief that if you've got nothing to hide, then there's nothing to worry about, but there's no guarantee that the people who have access to the information (ISPs) will use it properly, Miller said.

Customers are also of the belief that online activity logs could be accessed and used by the wrong people for the wrong reasons. -Commercial data mining under the pretence of observing the activities of the customers for the benefit of society might be one way the acquired information could be misused," another ZDNet reader suggested.

Whatever the outcome, from the majority of the responses ZDNet has received it is widely believed that that government will be over-stepping the line if it enforces such an invasion of privacy.

-Hitler never had it this good," ZDNet reader Gavin Cooper, said. -Bring on the Mind Police. Trotting out the old 'nothing to hide' argument just won't wash. I trust those who use these services are ready to stand up for their democratic rights...there are those in government that will push this line, if for no other reason than their own twisted power trips, as Hitlers' fanatics did."

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Talkback 8 comments

    It is more sinister than the a ...Anonymous -- 07/09/01

    It is more sinister than the article's description.

    Have a look at Echelon the spy network of which Australia is part of.

    http://www.echelonwatch.org/

    Gee. If the Government feels s ...Anonymous -- 07/09/01

    Gee. If the Government feels so strongly about this, let them use it as their platform for re-election. After all, if they've done nothing wrong, what have they to worry about.

    Australians are being monitore ...Anonymous -- 07/09/01

    Australians are being monitored illegally by Echelon, now they want to make it legal!

    www.theage.com.au/daily/990523/news/news3.html

    Below is the just released report on Echelon by the European Parliament.

    Each member of Echelon has access to the other members data. Australia is part of Echelon. They already monitor our electronic and voice communications illegally, see the report.

    http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/OM-Europarl?PROG=REPORT&L=EN&PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A5-2001-0264+0+NOT+SGML+V0//EN&LEVEL=2

    More links:
    www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm
    www.ncoic.com/echelon.htm
    http://www.echelonwatch.org
    antimedia.net/echelon/
    www.webaxs.net/~noel/brother.htm

    Glen Miller is right on the mo ...Anonymous -- 09/09/01

    Glen Miller is right on the money. The line "if you've got nothing to hide then why worry" smacks of Orwelianism.

    Turn it around, if you have no reason to suspsect me of illegal activity, why are you spying on me?

    Why leave it up to some government sponsored agency to troll through user logs, inventing scenarios based on the URLs you may have logged?

    Why do government agencies insist on "commercial in confidence" clauses, then want to spy on my private net surfing?

    Let's see the Govenment put this in their election platform.

    The goverment is pretty stupid ...Anonymous -- 09/09/01

    The goverment is pretty stupid, anybody who wants to avoid being monitored can used proxy servers with encryption software or simply use encryptions to prevent prying eyes. The internet will evolve into everything being encrypted in the end, and at extra expense.

    Anybody who wants to do criminal activity can use really strong encryption anyway. It just creating work and expense to create a Stalinist state.

    I think this is a good time fo ...Anonymous -- 10/09/01

    I think this is a good time for all "fence sitters" like myself to become involved. If this law passes, we are going to seriuosly regret the outcome.
    Make no mistake, this ISNT the thin end of the wedge, its the pointy end of the spear.

    Australia employs Stalinistic ...Anonymous -- 10/09/01

    Australia employs Stalinistic practices.

    Spying on its own citizens is disgusting, it also shows what kind of opinion they must have of their own populace.

    This should receive more puplicity as many, perhaps most citizens, are not aware about the spying activities which are being conducted illegally at least for the time being.

    It would only be fair if the g ...Raph -- 29/10/01

    It would only be fair if the government were monitored for dodgy dealings on the same basis just like anonymous suggests. Otherwise, it's as stupid as allowing someone to set up a shop selling illegal goods but policing the pedestrians to make sure they don't go into that shop. I mean, why allow a brothel in the neighbourhood when you only prosecute those who patronise it?

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