AU Internet scam leader sentenced to detention

By AAP
13 January 2005 09:20 AM
Tags: derek, cheng, internet, scam, aap

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    A fraud is defined as "th ...Anonymous -- 13/01/05

    A fraud is defined as "the use of false representations to gain an unjust advantage",
    and if scammed consumers where not physically aware, who misrepresented what?

    Was it the bank who encouraged them to use Internet Banking rather than physical branches, the Anti-Virus vendor claiming 100% safety, while searching for and missing the system monitor downloaded without consumer-user consent, or the ISP for allowing such internet traffic to be charged to my account, and included in my download usage metering. Hopefully it is not millions.

    As one who initially lost $10, ...Anonymous -- 13/01/05

    As one who initially lost $10,000 from his bank account through one of these viruses, I think the sentence was far from adequate. Rather than periodic detention it should have been a full 18 months with hard labour.

    I totally agree. The fine cou ...Anonymous -- 14/01/05

    I totally agree. The fine could relate to the amount stolen. Periodic detetion will work as well as the SAY NO campaign. Fines should start at $50,000.

    There is no current legislation for the issue of keylogging. Recent changes to the Surveillance Devices Act simply added spyware to wire tapping after search warrant. DCITA are currently writing new legislation for spyware, and it is unlikely that key logging software will be banned.

    Hackers will continue to embed such system monitors inside new trojan variations from here to eternity, and anti-virus companies are reluctant to scan for legitimate software for fear of being sued. Most of the system monitors currently go undetected.

    Most of the major banks are looking for better systems. Bendigo Bank recently offerred an eftpos style card reader with pin access, to connect via usb. It was not free though.

    One site providing key logging software is http://www.benutec.com/ The software has been known to download without user consent in several ways. Do not load a game called Axy Snake from http://absolutist.com/games.html unless researching anti-spyware.

    We do need the semantic web now.

    15 months for AUD600K! He got ...Anonymous -- 14/01/05

    15 months for AUD600K! He got off lightly. Many others among the community might think he should serve more time, and make some token of financial reparation, for his thievery.

    Keyloggers are legitimate soft ...Anonymous -- 20/01/05

    Keyloggers are legitimate software? Here is an example:

    Spyware Name: 'Spy My PC' (Pro)

    Type: System Monitor downloaded without my express consent in company network

    Developer: http://www.benutec.com/

    Purported Use: employee monitoring - software code hacked and then shared on internet with expressive purpose of key-logging via trojan

    How Discovered:

    • Webroot Spysweeper detected exact during daily scan on company laptop;
    • Spybot Search&Destroy (latest version) failed to detect it
    • Lavasoft Ad-Aware SE Plus failed to detect
    • SOPHOS also failed to detect this or even scan for it

    Highlights:

    • There are many differences in anti-virus and anti-spyware definition lists
    • some anti-virus firms are not distinguishing any difference between a virus and a monitor by releasing virus definitions, without re-branding the definition as spyware, to save their market share after advising consumers, who have paid for products at the shopfront, AV protects them completely eg current open flaw in Norton Anti-Virus relating to scanning for viruses)
    • lack of national and international nomenclature standard – same as for virus naming
    • abilities of spyware writers to use software modules may also lead to false names being applied to legitimate system monitors
    • spyware writers are now effectively hiding system monitors within Trojan variations
    • major deficiencies in ‘100% safe’ claims from anti-virus companies, adding to confusion on subject of anti-spyware

    Webroot Description:

    SpyMyPC PRO is award-winning, highly flexible, all-round desktop security monitoring solution, the best choice if you want to know what others are doing on your own computer. Spy My PC PRO Logs all keystrokes, applications, windows, websites, Internet connections, p****words and chats.”

    Additional Example Loading from Game:

    Note: The following is a blog from a gamer who was protected by Webroot SpySweeper

    http://absolutist.com/games.html - Axy Snake game downloaded with System Monitor attached –

    I wanted to let you know what happened to me at this site. I downloaded the Axy Snake game [trial version] last night. OH, Its a fun game alright...but when I ran Spysweeper..
    it put up I had[ AxySnake Spy My PC Pro]..
    all in the same box and was considered spyware.!!!
    I cant beleive they would do this...Spy My PC is a download you can buy to watch every move that happens in YOUR pc. Any one here think I need to do system restore? I AM SO UPSET THAT THEY CAN NOW SEE AND KNOW EVERY KEY STROKE AND ALL MY PERSONAL STUFF.!! Any advice?..Apparently you get that Spy tool installed along with the game.
    Isnt this the lowest thing you can

    Ok, so who should be suing who?

    Reference Information on Keylogging: http://www.netadmintools.com/part215.html

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