ISPs forced to abet “Orwellian creep”

Civil liberties group Electronic Frontiers Australia has spoken out against recommendations that could see Internet service providers forced to put their customers under constant surveillance.

The group retaliated to a report by the Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Crime Authority, which looks to combat the problem of law enforcement agencies falling behind the wave of crimes committed using new technology.

The recommendation that triggered the most concern would force ISPs to record customers’ online activities, according to EFA’s Greg Taylor.

“They’re very cautious with words but they’re basically saying they want ISPs to be forced to keep records of the activities of their customers,” Taylor said. According to Taylor the report wasn’t “very specific” about what information should be recorded, “but reading between the lines they’re looking for as much information as they can get”.

Currently, the interception of telephone communication can only be legally carried out in Australia if a serious crime has been committed, and even then a warrant is required, according to Taylor. The report is saying that ISPs should intercept and record that communication in case it is ever needed for future law enforcement enquiries, which would encourage “fishing expeditions”, Taylor said.

An equivalent real-life scenario would be the installation and use of listening devices in public bars around the country that capture private conversations, Taylor said. “There would be a huge outcry, this is the equivalent scenario in an electronic medium,” he added. “Eventually one has to call a stop.”

The EFA was also concerned to find that the report seemed to recommend the reduction in the level of offence that required law enforcement agencies to use their surveillance powers, and that the report recommends that what were once Federal Government powers be devolved to the States “who don’t have a very good track record of putting privacy protection in place,” Taylor said.

The EFA believes the report’s recommendations would be a dangerous step for society.

“Regrettably we are becoming a surveillance society. Every day we hear of new proposals to increase surveillance, with little evidence of the overall benefits to society. Every time we accept one more form of mass surveillance we are helping to create an Orwellian society for the future - what we might call "Orwellian creep". We need to question such developments rather than meekly accepting them,” Taylor said.

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Talkback 8 comments

  1. "We're form the Government, here you to help you." or something, was that not what the Gestapo used to say? Anonymous -- 29/08/01

    "We're form the Government, here you to help you." or something, was that not what the Gestapo used to say?

  2. The Gestapo used to say "If you aren't doing anything illegal you hide." Did you know, it was illegal to hide Jews in your attic back then! Anonymous -- 30/08/01

    The Gestapo used to say "If you aren't doing anything illegal you hide."

    Did you know, it was illegal to hide Jews in your attic back then!

  3. The Gestapo used to say "If you aren't doing anything illegal THEN you HAVE nothing TO hide." Did you know, it was illegal to hide Jews in your attic back then! (Sorry about the repost - butterfingers) Henrik Ericcson -- 30/08/01

    The Gestapo used to say "If you aren't doing anything illegal THEN you HAVE nothing TO hide."

    Did you know, it was illegal to hide Jews in your attic back then!

    (Sorry about the repost - butterfingers)

  4. Oh you foolish Individualists! It's time you accept what I have learnt in Room 101: Whatever Big Brother says is the Truth, IS. Let us then enjoy unity of purpose as we happily queue like that most well-mannered of animals, the sheep, to be Anonymous -- 30/08/01

    Oh you foolish Individualists! It's time you accept what I have learnt in Room 101:
    Whatever Big Brother says is the Truth, IS.

    Let us then enjoy unity of purpose as we happily queue like that most well-mannered of animals, the sheep, to be microchipped. Oh, a military-grade GPS implant would be nice too, so we can never get lost. Bar code tattoos are a wonderful artistic statement - I believe we may even be eventually allowed to express our individuality by being able to choose our own colour (as long as it's black). Record my phone calls, monitor my net use, hey- read my diary - I wouldn't want to be harbouring any wrong thoughts. Who needs cash anymore, either - there's no record of where you've been or what you're doing, and the inspectors will be inconveniencd by finding it harder to reconcile your personal possessions against your card statement: so inconvenient. And of course another reason we wouldn't want to make cash transactions is that we could inadvertently omit to pay GST, or somehow hide the money we made from our weekend lawn-mowing job (not that that would be possible anyway, due to the security cameras to be installed on every residence -I hope they don't forget to bill me, national video surveillance is a project we should all support). Maybe if I'm really good at spying on my neighbours, and watching shows like Big Brother (wasn't it nice they named it after him), I could prove I have what it takes to get a government surveillance job, spending my life watching the lives of others. Maybe one day I could even become (oh, the glorious post) a Censor at Gattaca, the proposed World Capital city.

    Oh brave new world, to have such people in it.

  5. Wow the previous poster hit the nail on the head. Who knows, he might be able to apply for a job at one of Australia's ISPs. Then again, he might already work for them. Anonymous -- 30/08/01

    Wow the previous poster hit the nail on the head.

    Who knows, he might be able to apply for a job at one of Australia's ISPs.

    Then again, he might already work for them.

  6. I think when you look at who are the ones pushing this "Orwellian creep" it comes only to one impersonal institution. This impersonal Institution doesn't have rules that are governed by compassion, human sympathy or dignity. It lives for money & Anonymous -- 30/08/01

    I think when you look at who are the ones pushing this "Orwellian creep" it comes only to one impersonal institution. This impersonal Institution doesn't have rules that are governed by compassion, human sympathy or dignity. It lives for money & rewards unwonton greed. People pose a threat in their rebelion to this creed. It has to be enforced or this Institution will lose it lawful right to have it's money at any cost, no matter what the cost is to human society in general. What is this Institution that would be so horrid & uncaring? Why, it's your local friendly Corporation! You know, the one that you support!

  7. I'm imprest by the concern the australian people are showing about there right to privecy. Now in the us so much of our rights to be left alone is being lost in the name of law and order or to use the phrase "Its for the good of childern" Its be Anonymous -- 31/08/01

    I'm imprest by the concern the australian people are showing about there right to privecy. Now in the us so much of our rights to be left alone is being lost in the name of law and order or to use the phrase "Its for the good of childern" Its been said and it is true "people who give up there some of there freedon for more security in the end loss both.

  8. Make your vote count! Why would anyone need to know what activities I am involved in? It is my business when I download a crack and get virus infected. Lets vote the bastards out of office at the upcomming election! Anonymous -- 12/09/01

    Make your vote count! Why would anyone need to know what activities I am involved in? It is my business when I download a crack and get virus infected. Lets vote the bastards out of office at the upcomming election!

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