Seagate to pay refund over gigabyte definition

By Peter Judge, ZDNet UK
29 October 2007 08:36 AM
Tags: civil, court, gb, gigabyte, kb, seagate, suit, class action

Seagate Technology, the world's largest hard-drive maker, is offering customers a five percent refund on drives bought during the last six years following a lawsuit over the definition of a "gigabyte". As an alternative, customers can choose to receive free backup software.

Four people sued the company, saying they expected its drives to offer greater capacity than that actually provided. Seagate manufactures its drives based on powers of ten, with 1KB equalling 1,000 bytes. The claimants argued that 1KB of storage should compromise 1,024 bytes.

On a 1GB drive, this would make the difference between one billion bytes of storage, and 1,073,741,824 bytes. Other manufacturers, such as Samsung and Hitachi, also measure hard-drive capacity with 1KB equalling 1,000 bytes, whereas all operating systems are based on 1KB equalling 1,024 bytes.

Because the lawsuit is a "class action", the settlement is available to all Seagate customers.

Seagate denies any fault, but it has offered to pay the refund for any drive which was bought between 22 March, 2001 and 26 September, 2007. The offer is awaiting approval by the presiding judge.

To claim a refund, buyers have to fill in a form quoting their product's serial number. If they wish to claim the software, they have to use a different online form.

The lawsuit is the latest in a series of similar cases involving the definition of a gigabyte. In 2003, Apple, Dell, Gateway, HP, IBM, Sharp, Sony and Toshiba were sued over hard-disk sizes by a group of users. That case has not yet been resolved.

A suit against Amazon.com over the capacity of an MP3 player bought on the site was also filed in 2003, but was dismissed in 2005.

All the major flash memory card makers, including SanDisk and Kingston, were sued in 2004, but there has been no result in that case yet.

Another hard-disk giant, Western Digital, settled a similar suit in 2005, but it escaped having to pay refunds. The company offered a free download of backup software valued at US$30 and paid half a million dollars in legal fees, while denying liability.

Peter Judge from ZDNet UK reported from London.

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Talkback 9 comments

    When is a GB not a GB? Ian Bond -- 29/10/07

    'Bout bloody time, too. Probably one of the better examples of blatant false advertising. Deceptive advertising at best.
    Then there is the problem of the stated cappacity being un-formatted (and as far as I know, very few people can use an hdd unformatted), so the real-world capacity is even less again.
    Storage media should be labelled to include their EFFECTIVE usable capacity, just as some digital cameras state megapixels and effective megapixels.

    When is a GB not a GB Anonymous -- 29/10/07 (in reply to #320088767)

    And I bet you have used the equivalent in allegedly lost capacity with your petty complaint! Suppose you car has 1996cc, not 2 litre as well!!
    Get a life!!

    Only US buyers though Anonymous -- 29/10/07

    The settlement is only available to people who bought their hard disks in the US. Probably not really relevant to 99% of zdnet.com.au readers...

    Long and Short Kilo Anonymous -- 29/10/07

    What a Joke. Who has got it wrong. Is there anyone that has not heard of a Kilo-Metre, Kilo-Litre, Mega-Volt, Mega-Litre, Giga-Litre, Giga-Volts, etc, etc. The list goes on ad nauseum.

    These are simply international standard prefixes for quantities. It would appear that the original deciever is Microsoft with the false representation that a KiloByte is 1024 Bytes as opposed to the internationally accepted standard for Kilo.

    Next time you are cooking consider a KiloGram as 1,024 Grams and the next time you take a drive will you also consider the Kilo-Metre as 1,024 Metres???

    This debate has lasted for many years and will continue akin to the issues related to TV size some 20 odd years ago - some TV manufacturer's measured across the TV, and others diagonally.

    Not all kilo's are created equal... Anonymous -- 29/10/07 (in reply to #320088772)

    Kilo in computer terms has always been 1024 (2 to the 10th power), Mega has always been 1024*1024, etc...

    By reducing these terms (incorrectly) to the metric usage, companies like Seagate have advertised their drives to appear larger than they really are, and IMO deserve what happened.

    And no, their tiny fineprint that says their kilo=1000 does not allow them to get away with it any more than (for example) Coca Cola putting 900ml in a bottle labelled 1 litre, and explaining in the fineprint that "their" litre is 900ml.

    You don't know what you're talking about Anonymous -- 14/11/07 (in reply to #320088772)

    Kilo is 1000 in most senses, but has never been so in the IT world (at least not regarding kilobytes). It is not a Microsoft issue. I don't know how you got their name involved. You'll notice in the article that it says "all operating systems". So that's Linux, Unix, Mac, and a billion others including Windows.
    Just try not to blame EVERYTHING on Microsoft.

    How do I get the refund??? Anonymous -- 29/10/07

    What is the URL to get the refund? We got a fleet of 2,000 machines and predominantly they are Seagate drives. 5% means like $10k - I'll hunt down all the serial numbers and send to them!
    Hold on, is Australia covered? Can someone clarified?

    Australians are not Eligible Suzanne Tindal -- 31/10/07 (in reply to #320088777)

    A spokesperson has told ZDNet Australia that Australians will not be included in the rebates. See updated story: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/hardware/soa/Australians-miss-out-on-Seagate-kilobyte-refunds/0,130061702,339283363,00.htm

    They have always done that! Gnoo nix -- 05/11/07

    I used to repair Seagate & before that was Control Data disk drives. The size that was quoted is always the unformatted size, which bigger than when it is formatted. E.g. a Seagate 500GB FreeAgent usb drive part number ST305004FDE1E1-RK on linux it shows 466GB on WindowsXP it shows 465GB then it says 500,105,216...

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