SA govt to rig buses for free internet

The South Australian Government is planning to offer free internet on the state's public transport system to make it more appealing to use — but it needs to find a hardware vendor and ISP willing to install the technology first.

The chief information officer of South Australia's Department for Transport, Energy and Infrastructure, John Maunder, told ZDNet.com.au that the government would approach the industry in the next fortnight to gauge its interest in supplying technology to give commuters free internet on public transport.

"We're getting together with a number of interested parties in two weeks and will be assessing their willingness to participate in that trial. We're trying to understand what they would want," he said.

"We're looking for a free service for the period of the trial," he added.

Maunder said he was hoping South Australia could provide something on par with a trial in San Francisco. Switch and router giant Cisco recently rigged up the city's buses with wireless internet, allowing commuters to check email, surf the Web and get bus timetable information.

Other cities Cisco is equipping public transport systems with wireless internet include Seoul, Lisbon, Madrid, and Hamburg.

According to Maunder there would be four major advantages of rolling out wireless on public transport, and not just for commuters. At least 1,000 bus drivers stand to gain from the service.

"It should provide real-time security," said Maunder. "That means there is a camera in the vehicle transmitting information to a control centre where staff can monitor if there is an incident, and from there allow them to connect to the police to investigate."

Passengers stand to gain by being able to access on-board entertainment, public transport and general location information, while bus drivers should be able to avoid congestion caused, for example, by a road accident by being fed alternative routes through the system. A major bonus for commuters would be the ability to tell how far a bus is away from arriving, or whether it has already left.


"In areas less frequently serviced, missing the bus by five minutes means a wait of another hour. To know if it's just passed or is close to arriving is very important," he said.

As for the cost of making such a system available, Maunder says he hasn't got estimates yet. "We don't know what the cost per vehicle will be until we do the trial," he said.

He would not disclose which vendors or ISPs would be approached.

Whether Wi-fi or WiMax would be used to deliver the service is not known. In fact, Maunder said: "We don't really care about the technology. We just want to provide something that works, which will be whatever the ISP that works for us decides."

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  1. Great idea! Steven Collins -- 11/07/08

    I live in Adelaide and use public transport a lot. However, there is no WiMax in SA and I can't see WiFi working beyond the CBD. So that leaves 3G which would definitely work as I have already used it extensively on my bus rides to listen to Internet radio on my N95 via Hutchison 3.

    I hope this initiative comes to fruitition.

    1. good idea, longivity short. Anonymous -- 12/07/08

      great idea but some idiots will ruin it, vandalism would hurt the publictransport system more then ever if people vandalise a bus like this, you would need a ride on security each bus

    2. Slight Alteration Anonymous -- 14/07/08

      Steve Collins, you left a little bit out in your opening sentence. No WiMax THAT YOU KNOW OF in SA.

      Internode has WiMax running for a while in the Yorke Peninsula, and i know others are closer to WiMax than you think. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it isn't happening.

      how about a little research,

      http://www.internode.on.net/about/regional/yorke_peninsula/

      or

      http://whirlpool.net.au/news/?id=1774

  2. wireless on buses Anonymous -- 12/07/08

    What a brilliant idea. It would really put adelaide on the map (which is something they've wanted for ever) It would certainly encourage business. Jesus you could imagine the appeal of business starting up in cities - Sydney/Melbourne expensive rent - Public transport sux (yes trams are good but not at peak hour). Brisbane - expensive rent. Adeliade - relatively cheap rent, and their public transport to work means you can work on the way to work (or just download porn or whatever).
    SOLD - Gr8 idea!

  3. Internet on buses Anonymous -- 12/07/08

    Give us a break.

    Can't people just sit and reflect during the short bus trip. Must this technology intrude on every minute of our lives.Imagine furious key punching and elbows jarring into elbows as a person with just nano seconds to spare must
    search for something.

    What's wrong with pleasant piped music to create a more relaxed society.

    1. short? Anonymous -- 14/07/08

      what do you call a short bus trip? My bus takes an hour and takes the longest possibly route. I wouldn't call an hour short.

  4. let them eat cake. Anonymous -- 12/07/08

    I've tried using adelaide's public transport. and ive given up in disgust.
    free internet would be nice, but I would prefer train windows I can actually see out of. Trains that didnt break down, Trains that went faster than 60KMH. Timetables that provided a convenient service after rush hour, and a system where I didnt have to sit next to bogans.

    1. Not functional. Sydney Lawrence -- 12/07/08

      Too silly to even comment on.

  5. Priorities Warren M -- 12/07/08

    Let see some clean buses and trains for a starter before spending money on internet that will be used by 20% max.

    I'm yet to see a clean/vandal free carriage or bus window in 5 years.

  6. Wrong Anonymous -- 12/07/08

    Steven Collins, what do you mean there is no WiMAX in SA? What is that great network sitting over on Yorke Peninsular, rolled-out by Internode, chopped liver?

    If the spectrum is economically viable and available, I don't see any issues with metro-Adelaide being blanketed by the stuff.

    1. free chopped liver from internode? Anonymous -- 13/07/08

      i'm sure simon would just love this free internet-chopped liver

      maybe it could be supplied by internode, bought from internode by the government and then delivered for free by the government.

      as usual golden boy hackett will take the credit when he is doing nothing more than running his business to make money for himself. but he'll then, again as usual, come up smelling like roses, for supplying free internet, when he isn't.

      for all those on hackettpool, simon is purely a businessman out to make every dollar he can, just like telstra, optus etc.

      that's business and i wish him well, but take off the rose coloured glasses, he isn't jc, he's more like that big bad yank sol than you might think.

    2. . Anonymous -- 13/07/08

      I don't know that what you're saying is entirely true. The way the Internode Hotspots work at the moment is the distributor, lets say Cibo, uses an existing broadband service (which they pay money for) which is hooked up to some Internode supplied hardware to create value for their customers. This provides marketing for Internode and value to Cibo customers.

      If Internode or any other carrier were to become the provider for this, there will be many beneficiaries: users, the supplier (i.e. Internode) and the Government. And then you have all the periphery beneficiaries such as other road users, i.e. less congestion on the roads if, in fact, this initiative increases p/transport usage and the environment.

  7. Free Internet for public. Sydney Lawrence -- 13/07/08

    A suggestion for all Australian airports (major) would be to copy China and Dubai and install banks of free Internet access computers for the travelling public.

  8. Broadband and Petrol Dave -- 13/07/08

    I've said for a while that the telco's in Australia (& the rest of the world) have a great opportunity to limit the impact of petrol prices by providing infrastructure to allow people working from home - telecommuting.

    The benefits that I can think of are as follows:
    1. The world would be greener.
    2. There would be less traffic.
    3. People would be less stressed.
    4. Travel times would be shorter & therefore cheaper for everyone including food carriers.
    5. Essentials would be less impacted.
    6. There would be more jobs creating new applications.
    7. There would be less pressure on the cities as people & therefore move out of the cities to areas where there is broadband.

    I work for one of Australia's largest Telco and wounder why those who are paid to see the overall picture haven't reacted to this opportunity long ago! They must be concentrating on that $100Million dollar payout record - shame they didn't remember Sam Chisholm's comment of " I have enough".

    1. I support this... Anonymous -- 13/07/08

      And it's better for the companies as they don't have to rent office space, technology, etc

  9. Brilliant tnetech -- 13/07/08

    I think this is a great idea, also needed for train and planes!

    http://tnetech.net

  10. Weird Anonymous -- 13/07/08

    Weird idea really. Adelaide is a small city and bus trips aren't generally that long. I think this is more aimed at driver safety and general route feedback to the control centre than giving free internet to the public.

    1. short? Anonymous -- 14/07/08

      what do you call a short bus trip? My bus takes an hour and takes the longest possibly route. I wouldn't call an hour short in peak hour traffic.

  11. Interesting John -- 14/07/08

    This is a interesting idea. It takes me an hour to get to work every day on bus so I would use it. But with 3G networks is it really useful?
    Also, will people be encouraged to use free wireless if the busses and trains are still late and unreliable?
    I think the money would be better spent on fixing the public transport system first before going and adding things like this.
    Also, its Adelaide. We are the city of all talk and no action. This plan will never happen anyway.

  12. Population density Anonymous -- 14/07/08

    Start with the trams. They must have the highest ratio of people per square metre in all Australia.

  13. So easy, but still not Robert Hart -- 15/07/08

    The technology is the easy part, G3 dongle to a small low-power 12-48v emedded computer running linux/squid and a wireless card, bingo wireless internet access on buss/train/tram...

    I estimate equipment cost $550 per unit, much less if commercially made in large quantities.

    The issue is who pays for the Internet access in the first place?

    Remember in Australia the telecommunications act. does not allow non-carriers (eg public/business/gov) to share the cost of Internet or supply internet over a property boundary.

    Unlike many overseas, who don't have these constraints ie San Francisco used in this news, so the economics makes it unlikely, as some many other uninformed politicians plans like this.

  14. Pointless Exercise Anonymous -- 15/07/08

    "We just want to provide something that works" -
    Hmm, is that the Transport or the Technology?
    Get real John.

    It won't get me on a sliver limo!

  15. Interconnectedness and choices Anonymous -- 16/07/08

    I think this is a great idea.

    Society is changing and interconnectedness is becomming ever more important..not to everyone, but certainly more so in younger generations. Personally, I prefer choice...both train/bus windows I can look out of, and the idea of free Internet on Public Transport.

  16. Morons Anonymous -- 20/07/08

    What use is Wifi if the bus doesn't stop to let you on because it's too full? Or the train is so late you need to take a taxi instead? And when you do manage to get on to these elusive services, what use is wifi when you can't sit down?

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