Video: Telstra's Milne backs iiNet

By Suzanne Tindal, ZDNet.com.au
27 November 2008 05:13 PM
Tags: milne, telstra, iinet, piracy, isp, film, responsible, court

In a YouTube video posted today, Telstra Media and former BigPond head Justin Milne has broadly backed iiNet's views on policing copyright violations, saying that ISPs should not be held responsible for what their users chose to do.



iiNet has become embroiled in court action started by film studios, which are seeking court orders to stop the ISP from allowing its users to download pirated films over its network.

"I think networks shouldn't be responsible for the use of their networks when it comes to illegal things, for exactly the same reason that we don't hold Australia Post responsible for delivering a defamatory letter," Milne said.

Despite this view, he said that Telstra did not support illegal downloading and in fact had invested tens of millions in a legal download platform, BigPond Movies. "We'd much prefer them to buy it from us of course," he said.

Milne believed there were remedies within the law to deal with such infringements, but that if the government felt changes were needed, it should go through the process under the "full glare of democracy".

Thes court case instigated by the film industry was trying to "bypass democracy and just get a sort of a sweep out deal done with ISPs" the executive said, which he did not condone.

Milne said that Telstra hadn't been contacted by the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft in its crackdown on ISPs whose customers were infringing copyright, but said that it did receive many notifications, which it forwarded on to the law.

Talkback 10 comments

    I agree Mel Sommersberg -- 27/11/08

    It's rare that I ever agree with Justin Milne or Telstra but I also support iiNet. ISPs are no more responsible for copyright infringements by their subscribers than petrol companies are responsible for people doing burnouts and drag racing.

    People have to go back to taking responsibility for their own actions but at the same time record companies need to have definite proof that their music is being ripped by Internet users. At the moment they want to be judge, jury, executioner and grave digger all rolled into one. Additionally they should be going after the people serving the software, not the ones downloading - the crimes the distributing parties are committing are far greater in weight.

    Guilty as sin Anonymous -- 27/11/08

    Justin, why don't you do the socially responsible thing and block access to BitTorrent sites?

    Banning bittorrent?? Anonymous -- 27/11/08 (in reply to #320117337)

    That is a little bit silly, there is plenty of legal stuff you can download via BitTorrent. WoW patches come to mind.. (That is what WoW software uses to update itself.)

    I agree with Justin and iiNet. It is not the ISP's responsibility what the customer downloads. Obviously it is a good idea to pass it on to either the customer or the police to chase up.

    Because it doesn't work Anonymous -- 27/11/08 (in reply to #320117337)

    Why do you think the ISP Filtering won't work?

    People can bypass it by using services like VPN.

    Because that's not their job, or socially responsible. Anonymous -- 27/11/08 (in reply to #320117337)

    Because the ISP taking a position on content is not the right thing to do. There's plenty of legit stuff on BitTorrent as well - Linux ISOs, WOW patches etc etc.

    Not to mention that their customers would not like this. In the highly competitive world of ISPs, good luck pulling a move like this.

    You, sir, are a fool Anonymous -- 27/11/08 (in reply to #320117337)

    If that's the case, how about Telstra be held responsible for not blocking obscene phone callers? Every time an obscene phone caller makes their call, let's not punish the caller but instead the carrier for allowing that call to be completed.

    How? Dean -- 28/11/08 (in reply to #320117337)

    Just for a second, let's ignore the legitimate uses for BitTorrent. That's what everybody likes to do, right?

    So, ignoring that, how do you "block" BitTorrent? A minor change to the protocol, and everybody's back on again. It's a cat-and-mouse game that an ISP can't win.

    Way off the mark Anonymous -- 28/11/08

    Industry and Government are looking at this the completely wrong way.
    There needs to be a change in attitude towards how people pay for media. It's a huge part of our lives now and people dont want to pay through the nose for it anymore, it's that simple.

    Content filtering is a waste of time and money and Australia needs to speak up against it before it's too late.

    Behind the scenes Anonymous -- 01/12/08

    Google "against intellectual monopoly" to see what's really going on folks.

    lol Anonymous -- 01/12/08

    Funny how theres a pirate on the tv behind him.

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