Unions continue Telstra Siebel attack

The Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) today used the release of a report containing complaint statistics and a staff survey to accuse Telstra of turning a blind eye to the problems of its IT transformation.

The report contained statistics released yesterday by the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman (TIO) for the July to September quarter, which have Telstra's complaints rising 23 per cent over the quarter. This is much higher than the previous quarters which have been 14, 17 and 16 per cent.

Telstra's total complaint numbers
(Credit: ACTU)

The ACTU has said that problems with the Siebel-based "one click" customer service system rolled out to the bulk of call centres in the second half of this year, were at fault, backing its assumption with a survey of 250 call centre workers. The system is believed to have been implemented with help from IT services giant Accenture over the past several years. Siebel is now owned by former rival Oracle.

The workers claimed that the system had been poorly implemented, leading to a diminished customer service level. They said that they did not receive adequate training in the system and feel that the blame had been pushed onto them for system glitches.

Almost 100 per cent of the workers surveyed felt that the average handling time for calls and customer dissatisfaction levels had gone up. They also felt that the company was losing business due to the system.

"The level of client dissatisfaction and aggression is overwhelming as is the feeling of not being able to do my work effectively; at any time Siebel will freeze or error out," one interviewee said.

Staff have been losing money, according to the survey, because they have not been able to meet their targets and are receiving "bullying" pressure from up high to perform. "I'm stressed, depressed and worried about losing my job on top of it all, because we are being threatened daily that our jobs are on the line if we don't get our sales back to how they used to be, pre-Siebel," one respondent said.

We are being threatened daily that our jobs are on the line if we don't get out sales back to how they used to be, pre-Siebel

Anonymous unionised Telstra worker

The Community and Public Sector Union has requested federal agency ComCare investigate Telstra's working conditions, the ACTU said. The CPSU had already approached Telstra about the problems and had been rebuffed by David Moffatt, Telstra group managing director of consumer marketing and channels.

"Telstra is unconcerned by this latest union attempt to undermine the success of the IT transformation. The results outlined in detail at Telstra's investor day last week demonstrate beyond doubt that the IT transformation is on track," Moffat said at the time. Telstra spokespeople were not able to comment on the issue at the time of publication today.

This quarter has not been the first rise in complaint statistics for Telstra, with the statistics for the year to June 2008 before Siebel was even introduced showing its complaints rising by 81 per cent, compared to an industry average of 58 per cent.

When questioned on these numbers at the Telstra investor day in November, Moffatt blamed one-off events such as the floods in Queensland and the CDMA network switch-off, as well as industry-wide problems such as premium SMS services.

"When I isolate the one-off factors to your questions and get to the specifics, we are not seeing a material shift as a result of anything we've done to ourself so far, all through this process, which is remarkable," Moffatt said, absolving the IT transformation of blame.

The ACTU questioned why, if the CDMA switch-off were one cause, the landline complaints had risen by 90 per cent year-on-year and why, if the floods and premium SMSes were a cause, that the increase of average industry complaints was so much lower than Telstra's.

It also questioned Telstra CEO Sol Trujillo's assurances at the Telstra investor day that customers were happy with the changes. "We do our own research ... what we are seeing with all of our research is customer satisfaction going up," Trujillo had said.

"Either Telstra's assurances that customers are more satisfied than ever is correct or the reports of staff and the figures from the TIO are correct. They cannot both be accurate," the unions said.

The report followed news yesterday that unionised Telstra workers had voted in favour of strike action.

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Talkback 18 comments

    Siebel Anonymous -- 10/12/08

    Siebel = Terrible system...

    Siebel Anonymous -- 10/12/08 (in reply to #320118532)

    Don't you mean "TERRORBLE!"

    Dealer mobile provisioning is taking up to 2 weeks and has been like this for over a month!

    Siebel Kryptonite Adam Neira -- 11/12/08 (in reply to #320118532)

    Siebel is to sales and customer service what kryptonite is to Superman !

    Implementation Partner Anonymous -- 10/12/08

    Moral of the story, choose your implementation partner carefully. Any system implemented badly will be a terrible system...

    not the implementation joe -- 10/12/08 (in reply to #320118552)

    Seriously i dont know if any of you are in telstra, but a program called questus has been the bane of many's an existence, it was the standard joke, the, "what, bad day, yeah well i had to log a questus so shush"... and then telstra chose them to create a new program to cover an entire arm of telstra's running, our jaws dropped when we heard that... its a terrible, overbureacratic, burdensome system, just badely designed for human use

    Questus Anonymous -- 24/12/08 (in reply to #320118558)

    aaaaaah good old Questus. I thought by now that Telstra's left and right hands would be talking to each other but it seems to have got worse there. It deterioirated back in about 2002 to 2003 when Switkowski came in. They should have just left Telstra as it was, a government run entity

    Tried and failed. Anonymous -- 10/12/08

    Apparently, U.S. telecom's companies have already been using Siebel based systems for quite a while - and they are looking to the future of putting Siebel out with the trash and upgrading to something newer. Tried and tested technology for Telstra to take on... sure thing....

    On the other hand, it's generally not the Siebel system that is to blame. Telstra 'bully' style management promoting things like Average handling times and adherance to schedule times will always be the main problem. You can't even go to the toilet without affecting your call centre average times! It's a disgrace the way Telstra treats their workers based on these meaningless measurements and it's no wonder no-one is happy. Siebel is just a good excuse to complain about it officially.

    You'd be better off working for India Telecom - at least you would be treated with respect as an employee.

    It's not siebel Anonymous -- 11/12/08

    People blame the siebel implementation... Well, they are wrong. The blame can only be Telstra's for putting a system in place that was clearly not ready. Additionally, Telstra's work practices make it one of the most frustrating companies to deal with as a client. They are rubbish.

    Well actually it pretty much is siebel... Anonymous -- 11/12/08 (in reply to #320118632)

    Hi guys. Siebel is a problem, its java based and it tends to crash a hell of a lot. It eats up system resources so anyone using an older computer is ****

    It doesnt interface properly with actual telstra core systems and causes heaps of orders to "Error" leaving customers in a hole where NOONE knows how to help them short of escalating the issue to an IT department.

    I've seen people taking almost a MONTH to get a basic change done because of the extremely average new system.

    Having said that, agreed, it should have been tested a hell of a lot more before being rolled out live, and its made our jobs nightmares

    Siebel Anonymous -- 12/12/08

    I've been a Siebel consultant for a long time now. I can tell you that you can put the blame purely on accenture and telstra management. Firstly 3 days or so of training is simply not enough for any system. Secondly, Accenture are known for really bad IT implementations. They are good managers, but terrible IT implementors. Thats why they always win projects, but then stuff them up.

    Siebel Anonymous -- 12/12/08

    agree with the dude above.........accenture have stuffed up nab and optus siebel implementations in the past as well. Look at vodafone. They use Siebel worldwide (including Aus) and its fine.
    Apparently they brought some in-house customised Siebel implementation from Italy and put it in telstra. hmmm.........i wonder why it didn't work. Maybe the call centre staff should learn italian. Sack them all and setup a call centre in italy telstra.

    Not Siebel Anonymous -- 12/12/08

    i've read a few articles here and on aus IT etc. They all blame siebel, accenture etc etc. But most people don't realise that Siebel is simply used for CRM and front end. The back-end billing system is Comverse Kenan software. THIS IS THE SOFTWARE CAUSING ALL PROBLEMS!!!
    Siebel tries to integrate with this software but it simply doesn't work. These so called reporters don't actually investigate the full story. They simply report onthe surface. Dig deeper guys and find out the real problems. Its not fair to simply blame the easiest target.

    accenture Anonymous -- 12/12/08 (in reply to #320118744)

    Surely, as the integrator and being in charge of rolling out the system, Accenture would be to blame for the shoddy incorrectly working software, and Telstra to blame for not QC'ing the program before rolling it out to the general public.

    So dont pull that moderator/kenan crap, at the end of the day you make a test bed, when it works, you roll it out.

    This wasnt done.

    Thats a problem.

    It kind of IS Siebel Anonymous -- 15/12/08 (in reply to #320118744)

    It's not just Telstra having problems with this. worked in the Australian Taxation Office until June this year. The ATO has been trying to get Siebel to talk to its legacy systems properly for over 18 months in order to transfer all customer service management functions over, and it hasn't managed it yet.

    For example, when a Tax Agent sends in a change of bank details, we used to be able to update in bulk all the clients who have their funds deposited in that agent's account. Siebel doesn't let you do that. Each and every client file now has to be updated one at a time. As one tax agent can have a hundred or more clients, you can imagine what that has done to processing times.

    I agree that Siebel might work well in some circumstances but, like Telstra, the ATO is trying to get it to do things it was never really meant to do and, not surprisingly, it's failing.

    Also like Telstra, the ATO has developed a fingers-in-ears approach towards criticism of the "change program".

    Siebel Anonymous -- 16/12/08

    It's a shocking system. Whoever made up the procedure of selecting a Motorola VE1 to connect a Samsung device must have a few screws loose!

    Complaints increasing before June?? Anonymous -- 16/12/08

    Perhaps that's because whilst Telstra did not introduce Siebel to their own call centres in June they did cut their contractors over in the first half of the year - hence the rise in complaints pre June. Those call centres were actually worse off than the people who rolled out in June. At least the June roll out had the benefit of their experience.

    Siebel Anonymous -- 24/12/08

    So, does that mean now that this ever so efficient system is in and erroring accouints, means that I would be able to connect to Telstra for all of my telecommunications needs, ring up HUGE bills and the system wouldn't know where I was...? AWESOME!!! Where do I sign?????????????????

    lol, if only joe -- 24/12/08 (in reply to #320119862)

    It'd drop your sales order, stop it at stat 72 because it believes you need to provide more ID that you actually live there, then sign you up to a different plan to 1 you wanted or if your lucky will only place you into Temporary Disconnect (what we do for non-payers) so that you have to go through to credit management where you get to play "convince the international subsidary call centre working on behalf of telstra that its impossible to owe any money as you havent even had it working yet" (I say international subsidary, i dont like saying indian call centre...)

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