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For those who refuse to acknowledge that Telstra are anything but absolutely perfect and are too biased to see any analogy, this clearly demonstrates the us/them, master/servant attitude of Telstra's management.
Management refuse to meet with their unionised employees representatives, to thrash out say a 5% increase, so $2000 per year for someone on $40,000, but at the same time are reportedly flying first class of course, and staying in luxury hotels at a cost of already $10,000 per person and counting.
Wonder if they took the spouses and kids? :-(
I think Sydney Lawrence need to come out of the closet and admit he is a Troll who's bait everyone has taken all this time - There cannot be any other logical reason for his comments.
But why would the whole board need to go to a Trade show? Surely Telstra being the great techno & telecommunications company could send one person who reports by video conferance..or even....Email?
The cost for for a flight to Las Vegas first class is around: 13000 per person...
For the cheapest room in the Bellagio Hotel: AU 1835 for 5 nights for the one person.
$148350 dollars for accommodation and flights not bad. I bet they don't have 50$ a day expense budgets like I did when I worked for Telstra either.
BS Baffles brains with these guys.
But good on em I say, they continue to get over paid, and live the good life!
i've been away but now returned and i see little has changed.
theres still the economic downturn, people everywhere losing their jobs, sharemarkets tumbling, telstra still fighting with accc, government, employees, unions.
so what do telstras management do in reponse to it all, go on a junket. that's the spirit, *&^% em all.
this is the sort of irrational and unforgiveable selfish behaviour which started this credit crunch in the first place. disgraceful.
Your observations are correct Ned. The Amigos are doing pretty much the same thing as the execs from GM, Ford and Chrysler. It made me laugh that they all fell at the feet of President Bush begging for $50bn to bail out their ailing empires by flying to Washington in private jets and booking rooms at the most lavish hotels in the country.
Telstra isn't broke yet and probably won't be in the near future but the rank hypocrisy of the Amigos is none-the-less unnecessary and flies in the face of their claims that a decent pay rise for frontline staff is unaffordable.
thanks mel. happy new year to you, sydney and the rest of the combatants, bwaahaha.
yes pretty shameful. i think anonymous, comment 3, says it all. they could have sent one or two reps over and then video conferenced.
or even better, early last year, they were bragging about live 3D holograms they could send of a person, delivered over their next ip network. why not use this and actually demonstrate how technologically advanced they can be and how they can save their shareholders and customers money?
management are just showing the insignificant little people whos the boss - we'll do as we wish and you'll do as we say - plus even 3D technology, wouldn't be half as much fun as a good old fashioned, wasteful junket.
how silly of us even thinking it..
You know, I'm still absolutely flabbergasted that these problems still exist! I've been looking at some blogs and quotes from 2003/04 regarding this very same issue with Telstra!
Swiftdsl.com.au has several postings from that era, which are alarming considering that the current spate of problems are in the very same vain and this just seems to be happening on a continuous loop for the last 15 or so years!
I've been talking with A Current Affair via email regarding their recent stories on this subject, and having been recently employed by UCMS, a partner company, (Which I resigned from earlier this month), have a great deal of experience, current experience, with this ongoing situation that does not seem to have an end in sight.
I've worked for Telstra or any number of partner companies several times in the past 15 or so years and it's always the same.
Telstra couldn't give a flying f*ck about their customers or their problems, as long as they can keep shoving inferior products down their throats and making no apologies or attempts at restitution when they pack up or simply do not work from the outset!
This has never been more painfully apparent than whilst on this last stint with UCMS. Products were/are being sold to people that just do not work; period. Or, customers are being promised "Free" modems and "Half price" internet and being CHARGED for the modems AND being CHARGED FULL PRICE for their Broadband from the outset!
It just boggles the mind!
To that end, I have decided that one way or the other, I'm going to put a stop to this irresponsible, frankly morally bankrupt and possibly illegal practice/s, once and for all.
And that, as they say, is that!
Deiter Kunze
deiterk@bigpond.com
(Not my acct by the way).
eat my **** lawrence.. it has plenty to do with the unions when management are behaving the way they are at the moment.. ian is spot on with his comments
Your comments don't help. Whilst I am also disappointed with Telstra's management splurging on a junket that achieves nothing whilst their employees are doing it tough, swearing won't do anything but turn them into martyrs.
Our Amigos are certainly having fun though, aren't they...
You aren't disappointed about the Telstra management splurging whilst their employess doing it tough at all. Only a few days ago here's what you said:
Mel Sommersberg 6/1 - 'I am on Telstra's side as far as this pay dispute goes'.
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra-strike-could-hit-this-weekend/0,130061791,339294014,00.htm
I am aware of what I said but that has got nothing to do with the Amigos getting on a plane and living it up in the US for no real reason.
You are a far bigger troll than anyone else here could ever hope to be, ahhh and a liar.
Mel 'Mr Predictable' Sommersberg. You have become all too easy. Asolutely no effort required.
I just have to bait that hook and wham, I get you every time, don't I.
And I thought you'd be a worthy adversary? Hehe.
You sound like you've accomplished some life-long achievment but you are fooling only yourself and in doing so you are grossly underestimating the intelligence of everyone else.
Yep, looks like I was right, you are just a weenor from the dying and almost dead Bigpond chat server. So how's Fatso, Herle and Smeg these days? Do satisfy my curiosity...
Like I said 'Mr Predictable', all I have to do is bait the hook and wham, I get you everytime. Even when you said you weren't going to reply to me anymore (more lies).
Oh look, wham AGAIN, rofl.
You keep saying you got me. What exactly at? All you've done in the last six weeks is tell lies, abuse people, impersonate people whilst spinelessly remaining anonymous.
What a miraculous moment in your life. You must feel so proud.
When I said I wouldn't reply to you any further I was talking about the thread that I mentioned it in. I don't recall uttering the words "never ever" in the same sentence.
So Mr anonymous Telstra fanboy... how's them apples? Do I get another boring nonsensical reply soon or do you need Sammee's permission?
Oh Mel, again you are a disappointment. I will need to choose my adversaries a little more carefully in future.
So let me spell it out s-l-o-w-l-y for you.
I bait the hook, throw it into the hole where the big mouthed, empty headed groper (you) lives, and no matter what bait I use, you swallow it hook, line and sinker, rofl.
Funny though, when you said you were no longer going to correspond with me and disappeared from our frivolity for a few days, a magical fairy godmother, who commented almost identically to you, appeared and corresponded with me, in your defence, lmao. Now she has disappeared and you have magically returned. Haha, what a goose.
Speaking of fishing, nice fishing expedition you are on though. Herle, Smeg, Sammee. Your bait is of no interest to me, sorry. So you try the fanboy bait next. Fanboy no, yes, maybe, lol. Oh groper, I am not as uncontrollably lured by the bait as you.
It is really annoying you not knowing who I am isn't it? Especially when I know so much about you. But don't be alarmed, it's just a game and I am simply ***king with you because you honestly believe you and your opinions are superior. So I am simply proving otherwise and finding it furstratingly easy to do so.
As you see, I've just thrown another line into the hole, so cya in about 5 minutes. Roflmfao.
Speaking of superiority, I know you are trying to get some quick infamy by hoping that I carry this over to the all-conquering iServ. That's one thing that won't happen and you can bank that at Barclays peon.
You are just a Telstra fanboy and the airtime on that realm ain't worth the effort. It is interesting that you only talk to me when I highlight how inferior Telstra is. That alone proves you are a patsy to Sammee and the other gronks on Bigpond Chat. Your overuse of IRC acronyms proves that you have links to an IRC network and Bigpond could be the only one. No other would let you on. :-p
Quick grab the net, I just got another bite. What a surprise.
Yes iServ, oh no, my secret is out, aIRCah. Look I just created a new acronym.
Keep trying, dab.
he got u off the subject you raised u tool stfu
What a tool you are. No wonder you remain anonymous, cos Mel gets the better of you everytime.
Wow even Sydney Mike is on Mel's side with this one.. haha what a funny bunch we are. By the way, that 'magical fairy godmother' you mentioned - I think that might be me. As in not mel. I think he came back when I left for holidays... but I can see the coincidence there.
I think I have left all 2/3 of you in suspense for long enough, so I'll put you out of your misery.
It just keeps getting better and better, doesn't it? How short sighted, are you lot? But at last, that's the spirit finally, you have grown a backbone and have some resolve, well done ladies.
Before I was just dealing with a clown, now I have the whole freak show waiting on my every/next, word/move.
But Sydney Mike, again another 2 comments, 1 anonymously but both almost worded identically. stfu, why not try, na na nana na, that works too.
Since you guys have no morals and change sides and your opinions more than your undies, seems the old saying is correct, 'there's no honour among thieves'.
Telstra/Sol hater Mel, sticks up for the evil Telstra??? Yes the same Telstra he has been warning us about for years and now sides 'with the greedy, amigo management', against everday Australians.
Bitter Telstra shareholder Sydney Mike, ignores years of anti Telstra campaigning by Mel, jumps to his defence and becomes his fairy godmother (2), because for once Mel didn't say Telstra sux.
Now most conveniently, fairy godmother 1, who magically appears when Mel disappears and visa versa, again magically reappears.
You guys really are something aren't you. Good thing I'm here or you'd have no one to play with, since you are all now pals, lol.
But can't you fight your own battles Mel? Why do you always need a fairy godmother or 2, to cut in for you when you get 'out of your depth'? But I agree with fairy godmother 1, you have reached the depths of disgracefulness, now even desperately relying upon the mortal enemy, a Telstra shareholder, to be godmother 2 and visa versa, ylb's.
But let's look at the big picture again. What's going to happen when this union issue blows over and you are again sworn enemies? What happens when Mel again accuses precious Telstra of being greedy, and evil? Or racistly tells the 'Amigos to go home Mexicans'? What about when Sydney Mike again calls Mel a racist Telstra hating ***khead? Will you still be kissy, cuddly then?
Oh, the good old days.
Sammee said to say g'day too (whoever he is)?
well i spose at least the argument that Mel's a 1-sided telstra hater is a moot point from now on??
And has any1 else noticed all the flame wars now involve essays instead of the tidy little bite sized remarks they used to be??
Anonymous - you are a fool. Here you stand, all alone, in your bitter hatred of Mel. If you'd kept your plight against Mel a little more factual and a little less personal you might have managed to garner some support from other users. Shame (for you) that you went about it the way you did. You are just a sucker mate.
Ricky Nelson wrote a song that describes you - Poor Little Fool.
Anonymous, you are just a bag of vitriolic wind. Mel and the others are right about you. You have never said anything constructive. Instead you have just posted for the sole purpose of hurling insults. Using this thread as an example, Mel gets one little matter of fact incorrect and you come along and call him a liar. It is possible to be wrong without lying. I've also noticed some other threads where you have impersonated Mel and Joe and then accused them of writing the posts you did. Work it out. People are awake to your petty hate campaign and I can't help but to have noticed that you have never once had someone support you with any claim you've made. Perhaps your hate campaign simply is not important to them. Then again perhaps you just fabricated the whole shebang based on your hate of Mel and want to capitalise on that by drumming up some support on a forum that Mel has no control over.
Yep, we are awake to your scam Anonymous and you are the one that has been caught - hook, line and sinker. In fact you are that foolish that you look like you've been snagged on the bum by your own backcast.
TheMaster???? You forgot the 'bater' off the end.
If you aren't Mel and you truly believe what you say about trolling, why are here right now trolling? You are nothing more than a troll yourself. Having a fictitious name doesn't make you any less anonymous, troll. So whatever you say to me goes for you too.
On the other hand, if you are him (and seems most obvious) well it proves what I have been saying all along.
Either way I do agree with you, you truly are TheMaster (bater).
I can't add anything to what TheMaster said. I think it has all been summed up perfectly. Anonymous, when will you learn? You've been peer-reviewed by at least half a dozen people yet you have the gall to think you can justify the way you behave. The fact that you reply by saying that you can do wrong because you believe other people are is more evidence of your failings as a human being.
That doesn't matter to me, but it should to you. I will admit one thing. On this occasion I did send someone here to have a look at what you have been up to. The Master is a mate of mine. :-)
Can I hand you a warm steamy towel for all that egg on your face?
What a surprise the Master (bater) is a mate of yours, thanks for admitting it. And you have others who support you too (are they you or more friends?).
You iServ 'supremists' (check your names) certainly stick together hey?
Interesting that he who normally must have the last word is unusually silent.
Seems he's fallen on his sword by admitting that he (and his mates) come here and 'do exactly as I have been saying all along'. roflmfao
You mel haters are a bunch of idiots. I can't speak for everyone but I don't appreciate your input. ALTHOUGH, it does mean I can stop calling myself anonymous, I rather like the name he gave me....
Another 'induced' moron.
Having the final say doesn't make you the winner. It may come as a complete surprise to you but I have better things to do with my time than reply to every post you make.
I note that you have not received any support for your little charade and this is a fact that has been explained to you by other people. All you do seem to be doing is getting offside with the entire ZDNet establishment.
Please do crawl back under your rock and cut your losses. It would re-establish these forums as a place where intelligent people discuss relevant matters and reduce by about 100% the amount of flaming that has been going on over the past four weeks.
Whatever mission you once hoped to accomplish has obviously never come to fruition and the cause of that is your lack of foresight, tact and ability to communicate effectively.
Dearest Mel
1. You have and are still replying to EVERY comment, I have ever and do make, rofl.
2. Unlike you I do not need a friend or mummy to stick up for me. But you are wrong, as usual, I have had support. For example right here now, Anonymous Troll 2 above isn't me, mummy or a friend (yes I know, I don't have any friends, very droll).
3. Crawl under my rock? Is that an invite to join your basic, childlike, little online amateur hour? A place where all 4 members are right wing extremists, who go there to tell each other how wonderful Mr.Garrison was as PM. No thank you.
4. Not on a mission at all, just asking you to stop the lies and promote actual discussion, as then will I. You don't like what I do and I don't like what you do. So ease up and I will too, simple.
Cya soon when you once again 'don't reply to me', lmao.
get back under your rock you brainless ****
Refer number 3 above, brainiac.
I reckon Sydney Mike is the anonimous troll.
He loves Telstra and hates Mel, because Mel has said lots a stuff about Telstra, so hes just sayin stuff like this to cover his tracks.
James, if I have anything to say, I identify myself, that way I hope to know who is continually throwing crap at me. I don't love or hate anybody on this blog, but I must admit I find some of the comments made by the anonymous posters, so bloody stupid and nasty, I realize why they stay anonymous, and so I tend to throw it back in similar fashion. But that said, I do at least let them know, where it is coming from, unlike these gutless turds that remain anonymous.
Sydney Mike that is all fine, but you only have to look at these threads right here to see you have already called people eggheads, tools and ratbags. I was only making an observation, using my name too.
I am aware of a 2 or 3 people that refuse to correspond decently here and who immediately start name calling. You are one of them and the anonimous troll is another.
Coincidence, maybe or maybe not?
You win James ! You are far too smart and intelligent for me. So over and out.
Congratulations Sydney Troll, you finally got something right. Well done.
As for over and out from you, maybe or maybe not?
"has told US investors", Oh what, you mean some of telstra's profits are flowing overseas, just like optus?
Telstra Supporters, care to comment on how this is different from optus?
Certainly Joe.
The TELSTRA CORPORATION ACT 1991 - SECT 8BG, will only allow foreign ownership of 35% (including 5% for individuals), so '65% of Telstra will always remain fully Australian owned', unless these laws are altered.
In contrast, Optus parent company SingTel (via Temasek, the business arm of the Singaporen Government) already holds a controlling interest of 54.11% of Optus. This leaves both 'Australian and foreign investors' with just 45.89% listed on the ASX, to divvy amongst themselves.
So 45.89% of Optus is up for grabs for all investors, anywhere, whereas 65% of Telstra, is just for Aussies.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/tca1991242/s8bg.html
Look at market share. You'll soon see that Telstra's 35% becomes a far larger figure in real terms than Optus' 55%, assuming that the local/foreign share quotas of both companies are at their maximum thresholds.
As both were once 100% Australian taxpayer owned government utilities the country has since lost a lot of money via profits going to foreign shareholders.
Since when? It started life as owned by Bell South, then was bought by Cable and Wireless, and is now owned by Singtel.
Don't bother anonymous. Take no notice of Mel, he lies daily, to suit his agenda.
In months to come when quizzed he will even flattly deny he ever said this anyway and blame someone else for using his name.
He's as low as you can get in this situation. apart from me of course, just ask Mel, Mel , Sydney Mike, Sydney Mike and Mel above.
Optus was once a government owned utility called AUSSAT and all they did was look after the Commonwealth Government's satellite operations. Just before privatisation the entity's structure was changed to allow it to become Telstra's first major competitor. When it was first privatised it had a number of corporate shareholders including Consolidated Press Holdings and Mayne Nickless. You may also be right about BellSouth. As you mentioned, it was later the subject of a takeover by C&W and then again later by Singapore Telecom.
Ignore the Anonymous git below, he is the village idiot, AKA local flamebaiter and it is a shame he wasn't dropped down a floorwaste when he was born. He spends his life hikacking threads here on ZDNet probably because he is unemployable.
"Ignore the Anonymous git"
Make that above... Gotta love forums in threaded mode ;-)
Yes you are right for the first time.
But it's now the above 2 gits. rofl
Telstra Mel.
Oh look too, you were right again with your above blithering @100%, it was the directly below git too.
How about that 35 years of getting it always wrong and two rights in a matter of minutes
See what happens when you mutiny and join the evil monopolists Telstra. You can then see and admit what a complete git you actually are, well done son, Sol would be proud of you.
Mel, sorry but you are dead wrong. Optus had to *buy* AUSSAT - they were not AUSSAT itself. AUSSAT was a government owned white elephant they wanted to dump, so a condition of buying their way into Australia was to pay the government of the day a bucket of money for that flying garbage can.
Chronologically, you are quite right. Optus was formed before Aussat was sold to them but at the time Aussat was the largest part of Optus' operations so the argument about who was first isn't relevant to the substance of the now off-topic discussion.
However your argument also requires clarification. Aussat wasn't given to Optus via a good arm-twisting as you imply but was sold to the Optus consortium for $504 million which was hardly chicken feed in 1991 when the transaction took place. Mel Sommersberg was correct to a degree - aside from satellite operations Optus didn't trade until 1992.
Those cans, as you put it, were hardly garbage either. The three A-series birds brought you live television for years until they were replaced with the improved B-series.
Quoting from 'lowdown.com.au':
"Aussat (now Optus Communications Pty. Ltd.) provides a wide range of domestic services to the entire continent and its offshore islands. Services include direct television broadcast to homesteads and remote communities, high-quality television relays between major cities, and voice applications for urban and remote areas."
To the anonymous troll that keeps heckling other users here - dry up you ignorant tard. It is one thing to discuss facts but another to see a moron just bag everything they see without contributing anything worthwhile to the discussion. Get a haircut and a new life.
To Kevin.
You may not condone my whistleblowing (so called trolling) methods and to be honest it has become a little juvenile on both sides. So fair enough.
But without pointing the finger at anybody whatsoever and asking a few strictly generic questions.
Do you condone a person who comes here using multiple alias' and who also comments anonymously as well?
Condone those who answer and support their own comments under another alias'?
Condone those who use mutiple alias' to (seemingly) multiply attack others?
Condone those who blatantly lie to suit their immediate agenda?
Condone those who say one thing, then later deny saying it or blame someone else?
Condone those with all of the above?
Perhaps we should all line up at the Barber Shop?
My whisleblowing process may be unrefined or even distasteful to some. But it is not deceitful or dishonest, like these other methods.
My intention was not to Union bash, in fact I understand and promote the necessity of employee representation in all things concerning health, safety and conditions on the shop floor.
However, Unions and Employees must understand that their role is not to run the Company ( as to demand for no Vegas trips) but to attain the best working conditions possible for the employees they speak for.
i notice here in the U.S. much is being written about the Unions that are taking a pay cut to assure their Members jobs are maintained during the present financial turmoil.
Australia has not felt the result of the problem as yet but as the unemployment rises in Australia perhaps the Unions need to be mindful of the fact that employment is not guaranteed in this shakey world.
You are correct in that it is none of the Unions' business, but the shareholders should be furious. Boards don't decide what products will or will not be sold, it the operational side of a company that does. The board would sign off any large business cases, but that is as far as it would go.
Telstra would get far mode value from its product managers and engineers going. In fact, the product managers and engineers would probably end up staying at the far cheaper Hilton which is next door to the LV convention centre rather than at the very expensive Bellagio, so not only would they save money on accomodation, but could walk to the convention rather than take a taxi or limo - I doubt the board members who went would have used the monorail to get to the convention.
No matter which way you look at it, this was a junket.
The shareholders may be furious but who cares? The board did not listen to the shareholders in regards executive remuneration so why would they listen to them whinging about extravagant entertainment for the board?
Yeah, why don't we send that egg-head Joe. He would probably pitch a tent on the outskirts of Vegas, and ride into town on a hired bicycle.
I'm pretty sure that Joe would only have the bicycle, if it was thrown in free of charge, with the hire of the tent.
WTF? Egg head? Are you 3 years old?
You are trying to belittle Joe, but your childish, imbecilic comments make you look 10 times more foolish than the man you have in your sights.
hello, are we talking about me joe?? cause I seriously dont think I've said anything to gain 'egg-head' status (whether derogatory or not) but lol, no no, if i was in charge of a company that whinging about how its soo expensive to run business nowadays, i would go for a cheaper option, to avoid a news article like this, if nothing else, and lol, I actually enjoy tenting, but ugh at biking, I would actually prefer to walk, so your right their anon Number 3
Not a bad reply Joe, but I also think you are an 'egghead', mainly because of the way you continually whinge about Telstra (your employer). Why bite the hand that feeds you ? In my opinion, you should be thankful that you even have a job with them.
egghead... its slang for a brainy scientist, so ummm thank you for your compliment? and sydney I quit, me and 3 others when telstra released their 'revised' incentives, emailed our respective TL's/Agency, stood up, and walked out, and i have no idea how many more would of done the same come monday morning (telstra released the incentives 630Pm Perth Time Fri night, so big bad case of mondayitis coming up)
So no, not really i shouldnt be thankful i have a job with them... it got to the point where i didnt care where my rent n food monies are coming from and i just walked out... Telstra is an evil place to work, unless your in middle management or above and have a heart as black as coal to enforce policy on the lower echelons
Can I ask Sydney - do you, or have you ever worked for Telstra?
I am under the assumption that it is no, along with all the other Telstra supporters who believe they have an intimate knowledge of what it is like to work for the company.
I will tell you Sydney - working for Telstra can be a very rewarding experience. You are lucky enough to work along side some excellent people, and work with the latest technologies.
You can also expect your head to be on the chopping block each day you go to work, watch as Telstra advertises Internet plans that are purely profit driven to 'hook' customers (200mb plan anyone? First 6 months free over 36 months on next g anyone?). Whatever happened to providing a great service to compel customers?
As an employee, you really do want to be part of a great company, an Australian company, but it seems that Upper management will do anything to make employees feel otherwise.
I think if anyone is complaining, it is born out of frustration. Share holder equity reigns supreme, whilst customer service and employee satisfaction rates up their with what type of highlighters should be bought.
Apply for a job there Sydney, get on the phones and help out. Come back in 6 months, tell us what you have learned.
Fair call Thomas, and you are right, I have never worked for Telstra, and probably never will............but I will certainly give it due consideration, now that ratbag Joe has left them.
couldnt of said it better myself, and go ahead sydney, they'll need anyone they can get the way there numbers are falling, i wasnt the only 1 who quit that day
I have not read many of Joe's comments, although I have read many of yours.
You seem to think that anyone that questions the motives of the the Amigos is somehow anti-Australian and therefore should be disregarded.
Not true.
As a former employee I can tell you that most people work their guts out - and new employees often come in excited working for a such a large established enterprise, but soon leave disheartened.
I think everyone has a right to question the decisions of upper management. Especially when you invest your time and knowledge into a company only to be met with frustration.
In my humble opinion, Telstras primary focus on shareholder wealth, disregard for employee satisfaction and hook \ bait tactics will be its ultimate downfall.
I think keeping customers - maybe building a relationship with your customer, and making sure the people that keep the wheels in motion (employees) happy is a return on investment that will see your shares multiply.
you sound like you've been through exactly what I've been through there Thomas, what department of telstra were you working in??
Thomas, my main beef with Joe was the fact that he continually bagged the company that he worked for, which happened to be Telstra. With an attitude like his, towards a company that actually payed him, was in my opinion the pits. Now that he has left them I don't give a rat's where he works, as long as it is not a company that I have any interest in !
Mr Mike... when i was actually still with telstra, what do you think my work ethic was like there? (just out of curiosity) because from the way your going on it sounds like you thought i would sit there on the phones throwing things at the nearest telstra logo and swearing at customers?? is that what you think i did there?? Cause i did my work, I did it well, I've got some certificates and a personal congrats letter from Brian O'Keefe (head of SA/Call centres) that i can scan and send if you really like...as you say, they paid me to work, so i gave the customers my best cust serv, cause its not there fault there with telstra and i was been paid by the hr to do exactly that, what got me was telstra saying officially "give your best cust serv" something i agree with, then having so many policies countering that objective.. i mean come on, 2 minutes per customer?? Telstra was paying me to man the phones Sydney mike, not to go home, turn to the missus and go "hey hun, telstra is super lets buy next g and get all our friends to as well"
I can't comment on Joes previous posts, sorry.
He does however paint a picture that is very familiar to my own Telstra experience.
The original issue here is the exuberant costs of the boards expedition stated originally by me in comment 3.
With regards to your comments against Joe, I get frustrated. To me it looks like he is accounting his experience, and really, you can take it or leave it.
But when the heads of the a company that YOU have interests in spend up big in Vegas on a Junket that they 'say' needs them all to attend, you defend it?
I know your no dumb bum, all it shows me is that again, BS baffles brains.
Thomas, I do not recall in any of my comments, defending Telstra's "Vegas junket", because I don't. I have simply time and again, berated Joe for is never ending Anti Telstra hooha. Now that I have read his last post, maybe he had a right to hate them, but I don't think he should consistently bagged them like he did, while he was still working there. (Did Brian O'Keefe also give him congrats and references to show to his next employer, in appreciation for all the **** he was throwing at Telstra on this blog.
I think that itis none of the union's business as to what trips Telstra management do. The unions have no stakes (read financial) in the company so they should keep out of operational matters
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