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"What Australian would take seriously a Union that backs the Prime Minister to increase the retirement age to 67."
I haven't read the individual union reports but I know in general most were against the increase of working age to 67. But, is it really going to make that much of a difference anyway, the average lifespan is increasing and by the time many of us hit 67 (for me it's 35 years away) those extra 2 years of super gaining interest could make all the difference.
Plus have a little backbone, 2 more years won't kill you.
"Lets hear from Unions on something serious that will wreck the lives of many Australians."
I was reading the other day on the front of the Financial Review that Telstra is now working with the unions, something they haven't done in recent times under Sol's management, is it upsetting to you that Telstra is now working with the unions you so love to hate?
I'm sure you'd feel differently if you were about to turn 65 Terry. Many people are just plain worn out well before 65 but will now have to work another two years before being elligable for the old age pension.
Luckily, most hard working people (ie construction workers) die at around 65, so maybe its not much of an issue..
Maybe Telstra will take something away from this and hopefully find a local replacement next time, instead of paying ridiculous salaries to foreigners who cause havoc then bail out pointing the finger at everyone else.
so you agree with sol and not ed, you think aussies are all racist.
give it up little yes man.
You have one hell of a chip on your shoulders.
well most australians are racist.. ask anyone who looks vaguely aboriginal/asian/black/islander...
Racism is being discriminated against on the basis of your race. People don't dislike Sol because he's Hispanic, they dislike him because he's an arrogant, ineffective **** who got paid for too much and delivered far too little.
(Although I agree Australians are generally racist - ask any Aborigine, Muslim or refugee and they'll agree, too - just that nobody gave a crap that Sol was Hispanic)
So you're saying that Aboriginals, Muslims and refugees are not Australian?
Australias are all the people who live in Australia - sounds like it's you who's racist if you thinking Australia's are only people outside this group.
'Australian' isn't a race, it's a nationality. Australians are many races. If you believe that Aborigines, Muslims, etc. are not discriminated against because of their race, you are either lying to yourself, or an idiot.
On Rove Live the beat a pinata with Sol's picture on it. I found this disgusting and offensive to anyone of Mexican American heritage and it would cause outrage in the US, but not here where minorities are few in numbers.
Whether you liked Sol or not or agreed with him, I can understand why he was sick of the racist references to his ethnic background.
"He also reminded the nation of its convict origins, declaring living in Australia for four years had been like stepping back in time."
Just thought I'd bring up black slavery, completely irrelevant to the discussions, but since this is now a history lesson.
Terry please do not display your total ignorance by telling me that I have a disrespect for the Union Movement in Australia.
As a Union Member for probably longer that you have lived, having served on the Committee of Management of one of Australias largest Unions and having travelled to Dorset in the U.K. to study the Tolpuddle Martrys who, as you may not know, were the founders of world Unionism I do know, and respect, the aspects of Unionism in Australia.
I do, and would expect, considering the sacrifices made and years of effort spent by Unionists to reduce the working hours of the Australian worker that those in control of Unions would react to stop the Rudd Government from implementation of this shocking application of increased working hours on the Australian people.
Sydney you are a disgrace. You long since left your union background when you started advocating for the worst Industrial management team in Australian history. When did you shareholder advocates speak up about the unlimited overtime in the AWAs (without overtime rates) and new "ECAs" (that have simmilar provisions). Or the culture of bullying within telstra? No that wouldn't be in your interest being a shareholder.
Sydney - your leader is gone and disgraced himself once again. Perhaps it is time for you to eat your humble pie and stop pretending to give a tincus cuss about working people
Davoe I think the worst Industrial management team is on both sides. For the unions to allow the ACTU into the negotiations and then to mandate side agreements as pert of the EBA was not a good idea.
If you read the side agreements you will find they were all about increasing union membership and Telstra to pay for it. I do not think this was in the members best interest.
Hopefully with the new discusions, the ACTU will not be involved and the side agreements are relegated to the waste paper bin, good faith bargaining may actually occur.
"As a Union Member for probably longer that you have lived"
To save you doing the maths, I said above I was 35 years off hitting the new retirement age of 67. 67-35=32, that means I'm 32 years old.
"having served on the Committee of Management of one of Australias largest Unions and having travelled to Dorset in the U.K. to study the Tolpuddle Martrys who, as you may not know, were the founders of world Unionism I do know, and respect, the aspects of Unionism in Australia."
From a historical point of view that's great, but the Tolpuddle Martyrs (note the spelling) and what they were seeking for workplace standards wouldn't even be in the ballpark for today's workplace standards.
You're actually getting more more entertaining all the time now Sydney, still protecting Sol even though everyone else has acknowledged what he did (or didn't do) resulted in a downturn for Telstra, defending Sol for calling Australians racist due to Rudd's comments, attacking Rudd for increasing the retirement age which due to increased lifespan and a lowering or flatting number in the workforce (all those baby boomers starting to retire) is something that is really needed for the long term viability of the country.
I can't think of anything else to say, so I guess the only thing to say is, Adios Sydney.
Terry thank you for the spelling correction. However, it is noted that you made no mention of the increase in working hours for the Australian public.
Terry do you support the increase in working hours for Australian people and if so why do you not support your Union Members and in fact abandon them to the advantage of your Labor Party mates?
"Terry do you support the increase in working hours for Australian people and if so why do you not support your Union Members and in fact abandon them to the advantage of your Labor Party mates?"
What increase in working hours? I don't believe the 38hr week is changing just the 2 years extra to retirement age.
Why do I not support my union members? Because I'm not in a union.
And I voted Liberal at the last federal election (though I'm a swinging voter, Liberal was in my opinion the best option last time).
by my count two extra years on someones career before they can retire, at a rate of 7.35 hours per average day, with a rough amount of 20 working days in a month, equates to 3528 more hours for the working mans career? :P
Thats an increase in working hours :P
What Greg Rose the Holden designer may not understand is that while there are talented people in Australia as there are in the USA, the business culture in Australia is not as progressive and innovative ideas often fail to be commercialised. I would hardly describe Holden's as the most innovative car on the market. Australia also has stronger unions which means companies like GM are less competitive than non union automobile companies.
Very true. The racism was subliminal, but racist nontheless. They constantly made referances to his hispanic background, using words like "Amigos" and "Adios". That is racist. Things like this would get crushed if it occured in the US.
Australia is racist. There are many individuals that are not, but as a whole, it is.
i think the fact that the ABC editorial board allowed him to be called a "Mexican swine" on the Chaser a couple of weeks ago says something about the standards in Australia. I'm no fan of Trujillo, and I AM a fan of the ABC, but I think he has a point.
I competely agree with the previous anonymous comment re: "Mexican swine" on Chaser's episode 2 this year. It was an appalling thing to say, no matter the context, since it normalizes disparaging people on the basis of their ethnic background. (And we don't need to be reminded that ST is not Mexican, except by descent - and that's beside the point anyway.) The fact that that reference to Trujillo passed the editorial process at the ABC speaks volumes, as does the almost complete absence of reaction / response to this.
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What Australian would take seriously a Union that backs the Prime Minister to increase the retirement age to 67.
Lets hear from Unions on something serious that will wreck the lives of many Australians.