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Thodey: NBN speeds a hard sell

Telstra chief executive David Thodey today said that realism was needed on how many people would take up high speed services offered by the National Broadband Network (NBN) given that only 5 per cent of the telco's home customers had taken up its fast ADSL2+ service.

David Thodey at the Symposium
(Credit: Suzanne Tindal/ZDNet.com.au)

"Let's be clear," he said to an audience today at the annual Gartner Symposium in Sydney, "the demand is still latent."

"We offer quite a large number of high speed access technologies today and I think we would be lucky to have even at the home, with ADSL2+, 5 per cent of our customers maybe on 20Mbps," he continued. "I think you've got to be realistic about what the demand is."

He seemed to discount that enterprise would be the saviour of the network's viability. He believed the network was "primarily a consumer home solution", saying only that there would be "some spin off to small business and to some enterprise customers in terms of faster access speeds".

Analysts have in the past questioned the viability of the NBN in the case that users do not take up services, saying that it could mean very high monthly prices. Thodey said cost was a pivotal issue. "Critical to creating value is at what cost you get access to fibre to the home," he said.

Yet after his pessimism, he also said that the NBN would create opportunities for education and would feed the demand for increased network traffic on wireless and IP networks.

"Anyone who says this industry is not exciting is looking at different data," he said.

Thodey also spoke at length about Telstra's core business. "We will never become an IT services company," he said. "We are a managed network services company."

"I think you have to understand what you do and do it well," he said. "We are a network provider. Are we an ERP vendor? Absolutely not."

The two skill sets were different, he said, no matter what people believed. Competitors didn't want one vendor to manage their IT and network end-to-end, he believed. "I think the complexity of networks is far beyond what those people understand. IT companies are not six nines capability," Thodey said.

When questioned about other vendors such as the US's AT&T and Spain's Telefonica, which had gone down the IT path, Thodey was unmoved. "Show me a communications services provider that makes money out of IT services," he asked. "We have been there."

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Talkback 72 comments

    Telstra and their customers ADSL2+ uptake Anonymous -- 17/11/09

    So Telstra only has 5% of their customers using 20Mbps... could that have something to do with their marketing or their base pricing or extras pricing that squeezes out extra dollars for every little feature that is turned on? Does anyone have any percentage figures on the ADSL2+ uptake from the other ISP's?

    Thodey: NBN speeds a hard sell Anonymous -- 17/11/09

    at the prices Telstra charge for ADSL2+, is it any wonder only 5% of their customers are on it ??
    $59.95 per month 600MB ADSL2+ for Bigpond.... what a joke

    @anonymous Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391853)

    agreed, no one is willing to pay telstras ridiculous costs.

    NBN=WHITE ELEPHANT !!! Anonymous -- 17/11/09

    Wireless is the future! I cannot believe $43 000 000 000 Billion dollars of Taxpayer money will be wasted!

    $43 000 000 000 Billion? Anonymous -- 17/11/09 (in reply to #320391855)

    That must be $43 000 000 000 000 000 000,
    or 43 pentillion dollars.

    $43 billion billion, ha Anonymous -- 17/11/09 (in reply to #320391896)

    and sol was worth every cent of that $43bb. he only lost me half my share value, love ya sol.

    Unfair on Sol. Helen O'Connor -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391898)

    Anon,

    I think you'll find that Telstra pretty much tracked the market through the GFC, as a defensive stock will.

    The main impacts to Telstra's share price have come after Gov't announcements, firstly by banishing Telstra from the FTTN tender (which the Minister arguably knew was already a corpse) when the share price was $4.24, and secondly with it's recent release of the draft legislation.

    I think Sol has been unfairly tarnished by the effect of these Gov't announcements.

    Ummm Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391855)

    Wireless is good yes, but if u want high speeds you will always need wire. Just like wireless wired WAN is increasing in speeds all the time and will always be faster.

    Are you sure about that? Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391942)

    There are many options out there for great wireless and it's only getting better. 100mbps will be around soon in the wireless arena but it will take years for fibre to the home to do this. Yes businesses NEED fibre. but homes... I don't really think so. Wireless would be able to deal with most homes... It all comes down to density of towers. If that mix is right it's a much better option for both Supplier and consumer.

    Re: Are you sure about that? RL -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391960)

    Wireless = high latency and shared connection: the more users on the network, the slower the speeds. And don't even think about using wireless for online gaming.

    100Mbps / 10 users = 10Mbps

    Fibre to the home doesn't have this problem, so long as the government builds this network using the right technology.

    You actually understand how wireless work Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391975)

    There are people out there who say "Wireless is the future! " these people are clueless and don't understand why we need FTTH internet.
    But you understand about wireless latency and 100Mbps / 10 users = 10Mbps on wireless.

    Here we have an aged population where most of them don't even use the internet for banking and thinks 200MB/month is enough for download. These aged people are the one that taking this country backward.

    Narrow-minded Anonymous -- 17/11/09

    Does Thodey not realise that most Telstra home customers have ADSL2+ with a better value provider? Or is he treating the Australian public as fools?

    Silly Telstra Bashing Clowns Anonymous -- 17/11/09

    Whatever the "expensive" price is that Telstra charges for 20mb/s ADSL 2+, the point is you may get better speed for your money (ie 100mb/s) from the NBN if & when its gets built but with absolute certainty YOU WILL PAY MORE for the fibre service than Telstra's copper based service today.

    ie. its the price point not the transmission speed that is the key. increasing value will lift take up rate at the margin but it will not change its affordability or necessity for the vast majority.

    Thodey's remarks are in no way diminished.
    5% is sweet f.a.
    And ALL the other isp's who offer it have similar results. 3/5 of f.a.

    Put it another way, I along with the rest of the country would take up fibre but not I had to pay a single dollar more.

    Build it & they will come? Anonymous -- 17/11/09 (in reply to #320391860)

    Bull#$^ et what cost are we ALL going to be slugged for thie WHITE ELEPHANT?

    We will pay a prmium for the NBN!!!

    This is one thing Paul Budde and the Buddites neglect to divulge in their little KRUDD lobby group!!

    ha Anonymous -- 17/11/09 (in reply to #320391865)

    keep stewing telstra moron.

    ha Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391969)

    what drives me is the humour i get, from seeing all that money you have lost in telstra f**kwit. ha.

    i'll leave out my bin so you can get christmas dinner, ha

    ha Anonymous -- 19/11/09 (in reply to #320392019)

    Come to mine after you finish with his.

    5% is a skewed statistic Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391860)

    Only 5% can possibly get 20Mbs as you have to be within 1km of the exchange. I have ADSL2+ but can only get 6Mbs because I am 4km away.

    Besides who can forget the RIM disaster committed by Telstra - poor suckers stuck behind these could barely get 9600 baud on dialup. Some foresight there by the brains at Telstra.

    zing Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391963)

    RIM disaster, thats right.

    Cheap **** telstra using sub standard setups, way to look to the future!

    RIMs were the first step to BB!! Rob -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391987)

    FYI. RIM's (being a narrowband Fibre to the Node) were the first step of an evolution path to provide Broadband Fibre to the Node. If the government gave Telstra the regulatory certainty it required to invest 4 Billion Dollars four years ago all those people connected to a RIM would by now be connected to a VDSL2 Broadband Node.(ie pull out RIM Cabinet - put in ISAM Cabinet!)
    As one of the design parameters for the installation of a RIM was to keep the copper as short as possible (Planning for BB) nearly all customers connected to this DA once upgraded to BB would be able to achieve excellent BB speeds.

    Thodey - NBN Uptake Bill Caelli -- 17/11/09

    Just an open request to a CEO who supposedly is interested in customer service - and doubts the NBN concept - just remember, Mr Thodey, that you have totally unhappy customers ( really Telstra "victims") out there who are stuck on your - yes, your - RIM/MUX/Pair Gain "disasters" with no chance at all of decent, cost effective broadband of any nature from your - yes, your - company. And - to quote my Telstra shop on the Queensland Golod Coast - "we couldn't care less - tough! Find someone else!"
    That's Thodey's "customer service"!

    Small - large business Anonymous -- 17/11/09

    I believe the businesses will take it up for three main reasons.

    Number one, if they have multiple offices and stuff like that why would they want to pay for expensive leased lines and dedicated fibre when a VPN link over the internet at simillar speeds could be achieved. allowing them to simply link offices. of course some businesses will still need dedicated lines, but it will see alot of people be able to reduce costs.

    it also increases the viablity of online backups to the enterprise level. one of the main hurdles at the moment is the speed associated with restoring a large amount of files. when quicker backup and restore times can be achieved online backup will be more popular for enterprise users. of course backups will still be local for acidental deletes, etc. but in terms of disaster recover the data can be safe in a datacenter.

    thirdly, it allows business to outsource servers (at least some) to data centers if required. for example they could have a spare backup domain controller sitting in a data centre allowing them to quickly get online following a complete server failure at the office.

    Britto

    telstra's revenge Anonymous -- 17/11/09

    Testra should announce tommorow that it is starting to build a fibre to the node network to compete with the NBN. Could you imagine the ACCC could be asked to investigate the government for trying to stifle competition if it went through with any of it's threats to break the company up. Mr Conroy I think just wet his pants and the financial backers of the NBN are running for the nearest exist.
    Come On telstra board start to have some fun with the government you'll find your shareholders will back you!

    yes please Anonymous -- 17/11/09 (in reply to #320391903)

    bs.

    you do not know what you are talking about.

    fttn is simply an extension onto the current network, as it just goes to the node, so those big bad, competitors would still be allowed to access it.

    so go for it telstra, do as patriot number 1 here says and build your filthy fttn, ha

    Excellent Idea, Just Brilliant. Reality Check -- 17/11/09 (in reply to #320391903)

    This idea now works perfectly.
    Why it didnt before was because A/ Telstra pulled its offer to spend $5B. because it couldnt get the accc to agree to the wholesale access price and B/ because everyone incl. Telstra's DSLAM investments would be stranded and redundant.

    If Telstra strategically rollout fttn everywhere the NBNco is rolling out fibre. (as per HFC rollout) Telstra wont have to give access to competitors at a price the ACCC sets and the ACCC will have nothing to argue if Telstra offer prices equal to or juuust a little below the NBNco.

    Also just roll it out to the 10 or 20% of the most lucrative market. It will cost less than $2 B. (ie save Telstra $3 B)

    GUARANTEE no one will put anything into the white elephant NBNco from the outset.
    And ABSOLUTELY doom the NBN.

    A little dicey but nice and bold and a poetic response to Conroy / Rudd blackmail.

    Much more to be said about this new option.

    Just Excellent idea "telstra's revenge"

    FTTN??? Are you serious?? TelstraSpinMakesMeDizzy -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391925)

    My goodness. I am glad you guys arent running my business. Fund an FTTN build to go against a govt funded NBN. Are you serious? How would you get shareholders to agree to spend billions to build a second rate solution (FTTN is NOT upgradable to FTTH), when they could use a govt funded solution that will provide better outcomes. There is no way as a TLS shareholder I would vote for the company to make such a ludicrous investment.
    Telstras best outcome would be to vend in its fixed line network and divest itself of all the maintenance, regulation, etc that is involved, and utilise the govt funded NBN, and spend the money received from vending its assets to provide value added services on the NBN and reducing prices to consumers.
    The game is changing, and its time that some realise the future is going to be very very different for Telstra. Telstra can choose to make a positive outcome for the company and its shareholders or it can continue in its recalcitrant ways and further devalue the shareholders holdings.

    FREE WILL, FREE SOCIETY, Reality Check -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391968)

    Yes completely serious.
    Thats right Telstra should be free to choose.

    Telstra should be free to succeed or fail.

    Let the Govt build NBN without Telstra.

    Let Telstra compete or buy when and where it suits them.

    Let Telstra charge what the market will bare. Just like Ferrari or Hyundai.

    OR BUY TELSTRA BACK AT A FAIR PRICE IF THE GOVT NEEDS TELSTRA ASSETS AND CUSTOMERS.

    I wish I could be a cabbie that picks up Conroy /Rudd for a fare just once. And give them a taste of their own blackmail medicine

    HFC 100 Mb/s to be announced very soon? Reality Check -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391980)

    HFC upgraded in melb to 100 Mb/s by Xmas 2009.

    Has almost the same effect as rolling out FTTN.

    Spoiling the NBNco viability further is just a happy bonus.

    Although stranding dslams and forcing competitors who WANT the NBN could also be a win-win-win.

    p.s The dizzy optus moron is now so dizzy he dress's up his comments as helping Telstra.

    ie. The best thing for Telstra is to join the NBN !

    How lucky is Telstra to have such competitors who only want whats best for Telstra, who charge consumers too much and would to see Telstra charge less like they do !!

    are you f***ing kidding me?? Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391990)

    are u serious?? if that "plan" would work then why is Hel$tra's take up on ADSL2+ so low?? because they are with the competitors.

    Sure they may go with telstra initially as it is what is available but they will 'see the light' like so many mums and dads out there that have been ripped off for the last time.

    i must admit, when/if telstra do this i will not be changing any of my sites in the company i administer over to telstra, i will stay on my 4mb/4mb fiber leased line until the NBNco gets theirs out and go with a much cheaper 'rival'

    you all say telstra could do it cheaper etc etc. well lets review: NBNco will charge a cheaper WHOLESALE price than telstra's retail. otherwise telstra would be loosing money, how is that good for all you telstra lovers loosing money on their shares??

    oh and alot of you may not be aware of this but the government does have the right to seaze assets that are crutial to the country if they are being mis-managed. so no the government is not blackmailing telstra they are giving them an ultimatem split or be split. telstra has had too many years to fix things and have stuffed it up time and time again.

    Bring on the 100mbit fibre (upgradable past 1gb with future specs btw.... lets see FTTN deliver 1gb to end homes... pfft)

    one last thing. telstra have 5% of customers sucking on 20mbit... right so only 5% of its customers are close enough to get 20mbit. what about all the customers that are connecting (regardless of speed) on an ADSL2+ connection, as you pay for the connection not the speed (remember the "upto advertising scandals??)

    media machines such as telstra will alwyas put a spin on things, its what they are meant to do. make it look like the sun is shining out their a**

    BORN OUT OF INJUSTICE IT WILL ALWAYS BE CRIMINAL Reality Check -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391991)

    Sounds like your a little upset if Telstra gets to compete against the NBN.

    I know, we all know thats why the govt not only must take the network off Telstra but must ensure Telstra has an interest in the NBN so going forward it supports not works against it.

    So much for competition ay!

    If you not let Telstra fail on its own, YOU COMMUNIST MORON.

    LET THE GOVT BUY THE PSTN ASSETS FOR A FAIR PRICE. NOT THE CUSTOMERS AND LET TELSTRA COMPETE WITH THE HFC AND WIRELESS.

    OH AND LET SEE IF OPTUS THEN INVESTS IN THE NBN.

    p.s Yes the govt has the right to break up any company but it must ensure current fair value is redeemed. NOT DESTROY VALUE.
    NOT SELL A COMPANY AND BEFORE THE LAST INSTALLMENT OF THE MONEY IS PAID CREATE A COMPANY TO COMPETE AGAINST IT.

    THAT IS CRIMINAL.

    Govt's make laws but not all laws are justice.

    CRIMINAL.

    Learn your history you MORON.

    Sydney's evil twin, haha. Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391999)

    We've been joined by Sydney's evil twin.

    Isn't it ironic and typical of the disgustingness of Telstra. Not just the disgusting manner of the above comment, but the double standards always expected by them.

    In the 90's,Telstra followed Optus up the street to duplicate their HFC network, simply to dissuade Optus form investing and to wipe out competition.

    $1b each, in write downs later, Optus abandoned and Telstra then decided they didn't need more HFC after all and also abandoned. So much for invest and compete aye?

    But back to irony, when the 800lb gorilla was wiping out competition like referred to above, doing so was quite ok according to these Telstra groupies. But now that the government are seen as the 800lb gorilla, who dwarf Telstra, as Telstra did their competition previously, all the same groupies are now calling it blackmail and wanting competition!

    Some are even asking for the ACCC, the same ACCC they called corrupt, Telstra haters, to ensure competition.

    Isn't karma great.

    So to speak to you in your terms Wet Check. Learn your history MORON and ***k Telstra!

    @FTTN???Are you serious?? RS -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391968)

    Hear hear, TelstraSpinMakesmeDizzy, I concur fully. And..

    Thanks too Reality Check for that typically, Telstra selfish and repressive plan. Gee what a surprise though, Telstra stakeholders promoting the use of guerrilla tactics, rather than see Australia progress!

    This "again" shows that the maniacal Sol/Telstra approach in dealing with our comms problems is alive and UNwell. Also proving, what sort of company some selfishly and desperately, want Telstra to "REMAIN".

    Fortunately though, this time Telstra do not have the upper hand, like in the past. No matter how much Telstra huff and puff, the government can do a Telstra, to Telstra, at any time! Plus, the government makes the rules and can move the goal posts back and forward at will. Take that, lol.

    But you keep on dreaming that Telstra can seriously stare down "this government"... I'd really love to see them try!

    Been Reamed Lately ! Dont Worry You Soon Will Reality Check -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320392024)

    I'd love to see them too.

    I'd also love to know, since you criminals are advocates of theft and blackmail, when life through karma gives you what you deserve and bends you over and has you grabing your ankles.

    telstra's revenge - tactically sound. Anton -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391903)

    BRILLIANT!!!

    With the, err, brainstrust pre-occupied with Copenhagen the sooner the better to make such an announcement.

    I truly hope TLS Snr. Mgmt sees this and realise that they cannot separate Telstra to greatness.

    5% adsl2+ uptake Bob -- 17/11/09

    As said above all Telstra need to do is flick the switch for lower pricing and I'm sure users would be very quick in upgrading.

    ? Anonymous -- 17/11/09 (in reply to #320391904)

    as you said above where bob?

    if they can upgrade now why don't they. oh that's right they are as normal, holding us all back!

    NBN = more broadband options Anonymous -- 17/11/09

    There are a lot of Australians out there with limited broadband options today. If I could get ADSL2+ at 20 MBps, I'd grab it immediately. I live on the central coast - no cable, no ADSL (not even 512k) - so I'm 3G all the way at an incredible $90 / month for 5GB... Bring on the NBN! I'll pay whatever they ask - and I'll lap the damn thing up!!!

    My 2c Anonymous -- 17/11/09

    As a Telstra shareholder i think Telstra should not take any equity in the NBN it should vend its assetts for cash. Optus and the others, as a indication of good faith, should have to vend their assetts for equity.

    in eight years time, after the NBN build, i predict Telstra mobile will offer 100MBs and will compete with the NBN very successfully.

    yes 2c in cash Anonymous -- 17/11/09 (in reply to #320391908)

    so optus and others who actually paid for their assets should take on equity but good old telstra who receieved a freebie want cash, what a surprise telstra shareholder, ha

    ...........yes 2c in cash Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391919)

    Another idiotic response from the serial goose. Are you ever going to surprise with even a modicum of positive thought. (I doubt it) ha.

    ha Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391971)

    can't even flame someone with an original name, gotta steal someone elses, hey c***head, ha

    in 8 years... Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391908)

    in 8 years time i would expect to see the speed of the NBN to have improved past 100Mb/s

    That's the best part of the NBN is that once you've got past the initial price tag you are talking about a minor cost to then increase that speed again

    Fibre is a future-proof technology! it will always be the fastest and best technology available (unless you know how to make something move faster than the speed of light?)

    Aussie internet worse than third world Anonymous -- 17/11/09

    Was with Telstra internet for 15 years and have changed to TPG cause it was cheaper. Telstra $70 for 12Gb , TPG $50 for 50Gb. Only thing is no matter who you are with you are still running through copper lines that are more than 40 years old. Where I live in the west of Melbourne they are expecting the population to double but there is only one exchange that supplies connection to about 8 -10 suburbs.Seeing as most of the population is more than 5 kms from exchange you aren't really any better off than adsl. But if I lived in the east nearly every suburb has an exchange. I think what everyone has missed is the fact that why would you take up adsl2+ when so few are actually covered by any decent type of speed. I am on adsl2+ and I have continual drop outs, speeds lower than1500kbps and I am told because I live more than 5kms from the exchange I will never do any better. Why would you take up a service that is second rate and will never get any better.

    re Aussie internet worse than third world Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391972)

    If you move will it be any better ?I think you have missed the point by telling them to move. By what has been said by everyone answering is the fact you cannot acheive anywhere near the speed promised that you pay extra for due to living too far away from exchanges. Why is it that most people in the USA have better internet speeds than nearly all of Australia and the US covers more area. Why is there such a speed difference in such a short distance? Is this due to poor equipment being used or no government has ever taken the internet serious enough to upgrade? The NBN while being a great idea may also be too expensive for people to purchase. And maybe the 5% of people who have taken up ADSL2+ maybe alot more than the peole who are going to take up the NBN. Unless of course you have no option.

    Er, 'cos the market is allowed to run itself. Darren W -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391984)

    You ask; "Why is there such a speed difference in such a short distance?"

    Read my lips, it's the regulation, stoopid.

    Pull the wool over someone elses eyes Thodey, NOT OURS Anonymous -- 17/11/09

    Im an ex telstra sales rep, David Thodey needs to wakeup somewhat
    the reason why they only have 5% of their broadband customers on adsl2+ is quite simple
    look at the rest of the market, companies offering 50gb for $80 a month

    who in their right mind wants to pay $89.95 per month for 12gb ?
    would you pay $150 a month for an adsl2+ service for 60gb? heck no!

    Majority of the plans that i myself sold, aswell as other reps in my team were basic liberty 256k services, why? cos they are the cheapest bang for buck for the elderly

    saying that, majority of the broadband connections were for the elderly who didnt require huge amounts of data or lightning fast speeds

    This story by Mr Thodey is just a publicity stunt in my opinion

    get with the times Thodey, release some plans which will compete with other service providers and just maybe, just maybe, you might edge past that 5% of adsl2+ mark

    Pull the wool over someone elses eyes Thodey, NOT OURS Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391916)

    It is blatantly obvious why you are an ex telstra sales rep. With due respect to the elderly, if you present only to the poor, you will only end up with poor results.

    What about me? Anonymous -- 17/11/09

    I think the vast majority of your comments are from people in large cities with access to at least a couple providers!
    I live in Broken Hill, one of the first towns listed for the NBN upgrade. I currently pay $90 p/m for a 8mbit connection and would love ADSL2 - however as Telsta has the only equipment and backhaul, unless I want to pay $120 upwards per month I have no other options!
    Fine a couple ISP's offer ADSL2 on Telstra equipment, but it's at least twice the price of companies with their own DSLAMS.
    We are hoping that the NBN will allow other ISP's to setup their own equipment independant of Telstra. It would be pretty hard for the NBN to wholesale dearer than Telsra!

    Overpriced unavailability Hande Communications -- 17/11/09 (in reply to #320391917)

    As a small ISP based in the Far West of NSW, we can forget about ADSL2+, it's just not available to the 'bush' at present.

    The 8Mbps that is available is only affordable to businesses and a select few who can afford the exorbitant pricing. Most use the 256/64 or 512/128kbps services and even these are still overpriced. Remember too that speeds are only theoretical and depend on the proximity to an exchange.

    Ask the many potential clients in many parts of Broken Hill and other remote regional areas how they like their broadband internet. So many still can't get connected via wire and I'm sure this is a Telstra ploy to get them onto 3G/NextG.

    Telstra's NextG takeup has grown mainly because of the coverage but not because of price or data allowance mind you.

    NBN stirs up a lot of emotive spin about pricing. Pricing is just another word for profit. It's time to constrain profit and think about the future of our "internetwork".

    As our dependence on the internet grows like banking, emails (personal and business), VoIP, social networking, conferencing and so on, the powers that be by delay the NBN are just holding all of us to ransom, this delay is a form of blackmail so that we all capitulate and pay whatever the going rate will be, if and when this NBN arrives.

    We've been hearing far too much talk about this NBN in one form or another for far too long, little has come of it. It's about time ALL parties get their act together and connect this great country up to a fast, cheap and reliable network with generous data allowances!

    Flick that switch and the sooner the better.

    No wonder it's only 5% Mark Lerno -- 17/11/09

    As others have said, is it any surprise the uptake of Telstra ADSL2+ is only 5% at the prices Telstra charge? They charge an arm and a leg and then have the gall to come out and say there is no demand.

    Where we live, there is no alternative to Telstra ADSL2+ due to the high backhaul costs Telstra charge their competitors. I would love to enjoy the faster speeds, but I'm damned if I'm going to pay their superinflated prices.

    The demand is there, but few can afford the outrageous prices Telstra charge.

    I'm sold already ! Anonymous -- 18/11/09

    Hey Mr Thodey, I'm one of the few who (according to you) are on ADSL2+. But not yours though, you are too expensive. Even so, at less than 2km from the centre of Aust's second largest city, I can only get 4mbps, due to your crappy copper.

    I could get faster if I used your HFC cable, but again, your are too expensive and besides, your customer service sucks.

    Oh dear, I shouldn't have mentioned HFC cable, should I. I mean that changes the whole context of your carefully worded claim that there was only a 5% take up of Telstra ADSL2+, indicating that there would need to be a hard sell on the speed capabilities of the NBN. What happens to your figures if you include all those customers who are on cable Mr Thodey ?? Not as impressive ??? No, didn't think so.

    Nice try but sorry, -- FAIL!

    IS he really that stupid? Jusitn -- 18/11/09

    For a CEO of Australia's largest telco, surely he can see why no one wants to use their ADSL2+ netowrk. It's just not cost effective enough. Not when they charge an extra $20+ over the competition for the PORT. Not to mention their horrible quota's.

    High Speed - Who needs it? Anonymous -- 18/11/09

    With Conroy's "Great Firewall of Australia" (read, no-PORN) and AFACT's "ISP's support criminals case" (read, No more free Movies and Songs) there will be NO NEED for 100Mbps for most internet users (or the 100's of Gbytes allowances that these speeds would need - for "illegal activities")!! What's left - email, gaming and web browsing - all perfectly good on ADSL1. Everyone who wants ADSL broadband for legitimate reasons has it now and if they have half a brain (which half of the population does not - read, Telstra Customers), then they would be buying it from Telstra's infrastructure based competitors (or their re-sellers) or from Telstra Wholesale re-sellers. Additionally, with TPG buying Pipe, there will (over time) be less competition in the upstream bandwidth supply market - so even if you had the 100Mbps NBN, your PORN/MOVIES usage demands would mean the price of the high usage plans would be exorbitant in price. Then there is the “business users argumentâ€, this too is flawed, if a business can see the benefit now of having broadband (transact with customers/suppliers or building networks to link offices for data sharing or free VoIP calls etc) they would already have it!! The NBN is a complete waste of taxpayers’ money (along with the ETS/CTS), just another symptom of a stupid high spending socialist government desperate for self aggrandising opportunities to assure another term…. All we need now is for those Telstra Shareholders (and their friends and families) and the stoopid Telstra Customers to do what they should have done at the last election and vote these morons out!!

    High speed of a narrow mind... Wakie -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391943)

    It's narrow-minded thinking like this which makes all of us laugh at the mindset of a Telstra shareholder.

    Have you not considered the innovation that will come with the NBN? Teleconferencing, cloud commuting, etc.

    Or is the term "innovation" a foreign concept for everyone associated with Telstra?

    Electricity - Who needs it? RL -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391943)

    <sarcasm> I wouldn't need electricity. I'm better off with candlelight and reading books. I don't need computers, televisions, and all that other crap. </sarcasm>

    Telephones - Who needs it? RL -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391943)

    <sarcasm> I wouldn't need a telephone. I can always use tin cans with string, or smoke signals, or carrier pidgeons, seeing as how they're faster than Telstra's network. </sarcasm>

    Okay, I'm gonna stop now. This is getting silly. I think you understand my point.

    If you don't want high speed then why don't you go back to dial-up then?

    Exactly my point Anonymous -- 19/11/09 (in reply to #320391982)

    If there is no real need for 100Mbps (read - maybe 1.5 to 5Mbps would be ok), then why spend $43B of our money on it?!?!?
    use the money to fix the roads and public transport....

    Thodey on ADSL2+ / NBN Anonymous -- 18/11/09

    Either this guy is really dumb or is putting a low value on the NBN to somehow take advantage of it down the track.

    Reasons for low uptake on the ADSL2+ is for one, to get decent bandwidth at those speeds the plans are a rip off, and secondly, most will not realise the advertised speed due to various limitations. So why pay ADSL2+ rates if you're only going to end up getting ADSL1 speeds at peak times. Thirdly, there are many in new and growing suburbs who still can't even get ADSL ONE !!!. Customer service and value goes without saying, I left Telstra long ago.

    What about me... yeah right! Anonymous -- 18/11/09 (in reply to #320391949)

    "Thirdly, there are many in new and growing suburbs who still can't even get ADSL ONE !!!."
    That about sums it up, I love when people whine about their adsl 1 connections/8mbs and not having adsl 2 (ie Mr Broken Hill...) Try moving into a brand new estate only 30 kms from Melbourne and not even having access to wired broadband...

    As all have said, Thodey is talking down the uptake for reasons that defy actual public sentiment. My guess is he is trying to lesson the value of the NBN, but at the right time/price he'll be on board.

    I read that comment differently Anonymous -- 18/11/09

    "5 per cent of our customers maybe on 20Mbps"

    Doesn't anyone else read that to mean, only 5% of customers on ADSL2+ attain 20Mbps?
    I'd be surprised if it were that high even!
    Let me rephrase what he said..
    Q: Who has ADSL2+ and doesn't get over 15Mbps?
    A: Pretty much everyone..

    Q: Who gets over 15Mbps but under 20Mbps?
    A: the majority of the rest

    Q: Who gets over 20Mbps on their "24Mbps" service?
    A: Bugger all..

    By the way Mr Thodey, I'd love to have access to ADSL2+ but your company wont supply it to me or anyone else on my RIM!
    Convenient for your argument if indeed you're trying to argue that there is no demand for ADSL2+ speeds..
    My RIM is also throttled.. I pay for 8Mbps, sync at 8Mbps, but attain 3Mbps at the best of times and 1Mbps at the worst of times.
    Even if the RIM were upgraded to ADSL2+ along with a RIM backhaul upgrade I'd likely still not even attain 8Mbps, thereby still upholding your argument.

    Thodey: NBN speeds a hard sell Anonymous -- 18/11/09

    let's not forget that if you are on a bandwidth constrained Telstra CMUX, your ADSL2+ connection may be artificially slowed to 3Mbit..... at least the 600MB Bigpond allowance will be chewed up a little slower....

    great work Telstra.....

    Thodey is Wrong, it is not 5% Broadband user -- 18/11/09

    The blindingly obvious reason only 5% of people have taken up Telstra's ADSL2+ is the absolutely outrageous price they charge for it!
    I & many other broadband users have ADSL2+ through an different ISP simply because Tesltra's pricing is totally unaffordable & their contract conditions punitive.
    Unfortunately, I am on an exchange which only has a Telstra DSLAM so I am still paying $20/mth more than I would if some-one else had a DSLAM there.
    After all the BS since the federal election, still nothing has been done about Telstra's anti-competitive wholesale pricing.

    Perspective Needed Anonymous -- 18/11/09

    Clearly, self interested distorted statements articulated by Telstra point urgently to the need for structural separation, the demise of monopolistic Telecommunications in Australia and the emergence of competition in this sector. It wasnt long ago that Telstra were making the same claims about higher speed ADSL1 let alone ADSL versus dialup. This is a lead in to the NBN as a new target. Pricing ADSL2+ out of the home and small business markets isnt particularly clever unless you can milk more out of the old infrastructure (ADSL1). These short term profit strategies have placed Telstra in the poor position they are in today. No long term profit strategy built on advanced technology as a market leader. Sound familiar?

    Telstra Strikes Again tuffguy -- 18/11/09

    How much do they pay this guy again, can he really be that stupid? I bet he does not even know his company are responsible for Australia being the technological backwater it is today and would willingly keep it that way forever more.

    +1 Anonymous -- 18/11/09

    i agree 100%.

    in my network we strive to do new intuitive things. not just stay with that is known and stable. hell just earlier i finished up the migration plan to exchange 2010. most companies are still on 2000/2003, why? because they are afraid of the new, they cant see the benefits of the new.

    Telstra is like AFACT in so many ways. just old dinosaurs that like their little hunting grounds and dont want to look any further.

    Stop telling lies to people that really know ! Anonymous -- 18/11/09

    Copper lines to homes have been develop for human voice 3Khz in the first place. The fact that semiconductor technologies came with DSP and other advencements, on their own, they cannot produce miracles.
    I have had 4 ADSL 2+ suppliers and it never worked. Made me spend 400 dollars in central splitters BUT Telstra NEVER bother to fix the line and the TIO is as useful as a bell in a grave yard. Finally moved to Telstra/Foxtel HFC with 30 megabits and it works perfect all the time.
    Second, how will the user in an NBN situation have real 100Megabits...................if this is an apartment block and they are sold the idea of HDTV................do you know that in MPEG 2 encoding for 1080 progressive you must have 18 megabits per TS (Transport Stream) so if 10 units wants to watch...................even on multicast the agregation.............

    Comon, stop the rubbish and either fix EVERY copper line to be able to comply with ADSL 2 + after all copper at that frequency and self inductance plus other impediments.....it is RF somehow.

    Stop telling lies !

    Telstra and their customers ADSL2+ uptake Mike -- 18/11/09

    THE ONLY REASON ONLY 5% OF TELSTRAS CUSTOMERS HAVE TAKEN UP ADSL2+ IS THE RIP OFF COST THAT TELSTRA CHARGES FOR SUCH SPEED.
    If it was affordable a lot more people would be utilising it.

    Telstra is kidding themselves yet again Anonymous -- 18/11/09

    For a supposedly bright executive, you'd think the Telstra CEO might realise its the BS prices they charge for their ADSL2+ services, as well as the lousy download limits compared to their competitors that is limiting the uptake. One would wonder if the majority of Telstra's competitors ADSL2+ uptake is a far higher percentage.

    I'd for one would have ADSL2+ in a flash if it wasn't for Telstra's cost cutting infrastructure rollout in new estates....installing crappy RIM's or pair-gain etc which restrict services to a average top speed of 1.5MB/s or if you are prepared to pay around $80 a month and there isn't too much congestion for 2-3GB data allowance you may get up to 8MB/s if you are lucky.

    I hope this company doesn't get their hands on the NBN (and I'm a shareholder too).

    Tip for the CEO - chop the cost of all your ADSL plans, ditch the crappy data limits (400MB plans etc are a joke) and maybe you'll see an increased take up.

    I can only imagine the silence when Telstra execs attend overseas telecommunications conferences and talk about the generous plans they offer, the super quick 256k / 512k plans they flog to unsuspecting customers.

    Improve your service Telstra and maybe you'd get some respect back.

    NBN is not just about web browsing James -- 18/11/09

    I think we need to stop thinking of the NBN as offering a single internet web service into the home. Just cos it delivers 100Mb/sec doesn't mean your internet plan needs to be that fast. However, you can also piggy back a Quikflix equivalent to get fast Movie or TV downloads WITH NO ADs. Think of LCD/Plasma TV's with in-built webcams for VCs. Each of these facilities can come from different providers all using the same pipe. You pay each of the providers a different amount and they then pay NBN for delivery. Bit like AusPost delivering letters and parcels from lots of different companies. We don't pay AusPost directly to deliver all the letters to us - it happens indirectly. Same could work with the NBN.

    NBN is not just about web browsing Anonymous -- 19/11/09 (in reply to #320392068)

    James, you are correct. I have been twice to ATUG meetings regarding NBN and it was said many times that THE END USER according to the present NBN draft is not guaranteed at any time to get 100Megabits neither is full duplex.
    The are many points on this, emergency medical help for instance will require full duplex video.
    The fact I mentioned before about stop telling lies relates to the aggregation since HDTV even at H264 in case of a worse sitruation as home units will dry the bandwith coming from the PON (Passive Optical Network which may divide the pipe into 24 outlets) so you can imagine what that will do and does not consider what others are doing..........
    There are lots of things and 100Base T has been history for a long time.
    So the network will be built for a few months? with ancient technology?

    The Internet should be free and open Anonymous -- 19/11/09 (in reply to #320392068)

    The internet should be the platform for innovation and there should be no walled gardens. You should not have to pay for multiple services over the NBN. Take a look at iTunes or iView it is not separate from the internet yet I can download music, watch television shows and download movies all over the internet. Why is this a good thing? Well the internet is an open platform for innovation. Your approach is simply the classic walled garden approach. It is anti competitive, it locks consumers into using one provider. Just look at bigpond.com unmeterted from telstra. Also the internet is not just about everything on HTTP web browsing anyway. You can deliver all these services over the internet. Whether that is tele medicine, video on demand or voice over ip. If our taxes are to be spent properly it should mandate at the very least for ISPS on the NBN not to create walled gardens if not make the internet free as a place to generate services much like the roads we drive on.

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