Telstra's Next G range a knockout?

commentary Just how good will the reception be on Telstra's Next G mobile network?

Renai LeMay, ZDNet Australia That's the question many Australians have been asking since the infrastructure was launched with a record level of fanfare in October.

The question is particularly troubling for those living in rural areas, because Next G is slated to replace Telstra's CDMA network, a bush favourite due to its extended coverage range that lets isolated residents stay in touch.

Concerns have also rested on the relatively unpopular 850MHz spectrum Telstra chose for its new network.

This week, Telstra went some way to placating Next G critics by unveiling an upgrade that it claimed had delivered broadband-capable speeds (2.3Mbps) at distances of 200km from the base station. Next G's limit was previously 50km.

Dubbed "Extended Reach" by Ericsson's extremely creative marketing department, the upgrade has already been installed in some of Telstra's rural sites, boosting the maximum range and delivering higher speeds (up to a potential 14.4Mbps, from 3.6Mbps) close up.

Now all this sounds fantastic on paper.

But doubts have already been raised as to whether these great sounding statistics can be replicated in real life.

"When you do the path loss calculations, considering the antenna systems and power levels at each end, the 2.3Mbps at 200km claim is clearly impossible," one reader wrote yesterday, taking Telstra and Ericsson to task for their claims.

"Telstra is the master of spin -- you can be sure that it wasn't a standard hand-held phone working over that distance," wrote another reader. "When installing 899-900 MHz systems years ago, we were lucky to get 70-100km with high-gain aerials on 30 metre towers on the top of line of site hills."

But Robin Simpson, a research director covering the mobile and wireless space for analyst group Gartner, poured cold water over the scepticism. "The whole Telstra thing is actually eminently do-able and there's good technological reasons how they can do it," he told your writer this morning.

The analyst noted mobile base stations could be configured to focus on providing two of the following: greater range, greater bandwidth, or greater capacity (number of concurrent connections).

Telstra, Simpson surmised, had likely tweaked some of its base stations in rural areas for better range, while also taking advantage of new data encoding techniques available through new versions of the high speed downlink packet access (HSDPA) protocol.

In metropolitan areas where there were more base stations, he said, it made sense to focus on greater capacity and bandwidth, at the cost of extended range.

Simpson also noted that the 850MHz frequency being used by Telstra provided better range overall than the 2100MHz frequency historically popular for third-generation (3G) mobile networks.

"I think the scepticism is unfounded," he concluded.

When queried on the issue, a Telstra spokesperson pointed out his company wouldn't be announcing the speed upgrade to the Australian Stock Exchange if it couldn't prove its claims. Ericsson didn't respond to a request for comment at press time.

Will you be taking Telstra's 200km extended range claim with a grain of salt? Or do you agree with Gartner that Telstra and Ericsson are on the level? Drop your writer a line directly at renai.lemay@zdnet.com.au or post your thoughts below this article.

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Talkback 64 comments

    200km range from a hand held device? Anonymous -- 14/02/07

    I certainly wouldn't want to be buying real estate from both Telstra and Ericsson.

    Maybe these conditions can be acheived with the wind blowing in favourable direction, a waxing moon phase and a cow producing methane upwind.

    Telstra NextG range or lack thereof Anonymous -- 14/02/07

    Seems the only way to test this is a Road Trip.
    Which one of you lad wants to go bush?

    Next G replacing CDMA Stan Harrison -- 30/10/07 (in reply to #320074631)

    I have a property in Taggerty, Vic. My wife has had a Telstra CDMA phone for some years and it has performed satisfactorily but not as good as my Optus mobile in the same area. My daughter has upgraded to a Next G phone and has nil to minimal reception. How on earth, after shutting down the analogue system which worked well in the area and replacing it with CDMA which did not give the performance of the analogue network, can Telstra expect us to change again. It seems to me that rural customers service is being ignored in a lot of sparsely populated areas. Forget Next G and Telstra's promises of better service, we will be changing to Optus

    Uh huh Anonymous -- 14/02/07

    If Telstras claims are true then there's only one thing faster than NextG, and that's the money that disapears from your wallet while using it.

    hmm Anonymous -- 14/02/07 (in reply to #320074632)

    has any other carrier tried to do it....CAN any other carrier do it. For all its faults, at least there is now an option (and yes it does cost money!!!!!)
    I notice Optus isnt exactly putting up its hand in developing this sort of thing

    Precisely Anonymous -- 14/02/07 (in reply to #320074636)

    and Optus have their hand out for taxpayer funding to do it

    Hot or Cold Pizza Anonymous -- 14/02/07 (in reply to #320074640)

    I would rater pay more for a hot pizza now then get a free one after I've eaten.

    Telstra = now and was built with their money so I expect to pay for it, drOptus = 3 years away and will cost $10 from the government for every man, woman and child in the country to build it.

    Let's not forget.. Anonymous -- 14/02/07 (in reply to #320074643)

    Before you all get carried away with how innovative tel$ra is, it took them 70 years of taxpayer money to built the wired network, and a further 6 years to turn it on to only HALF of it's full ADSL2+ potential.

    This is basically a new, needless mobile phone network. The prices are way to high for it to be used for any data transfer.

    Selective Memory Anonymous -- 14/02/07 (in reply to #320074650)

    Since the implementation of selective deregulation Telstra has taken time to become a world beater and I am sure they will continue this progress. Higher prices is due to competition and shareholder return, I am sure if there were two or three truly comparable networks the price would drop tomorrow but guess what THERE ISN'T.

    Telstra has best network but competition is a necessity Greg Alexander -- 15/02/07 (in reply to #320074652)

    Telstra does have the best network, but competition is a necessity. Telstra charges the highest prices it can (as a private company should) and the ADSL rollout and speeds are an example of milking customers as much as they can through artificial speeds & pricing.

    Back to 3G - We need to encourage competition rurally and I believe it's in the country's best interest for the government to encourage the build out of Optus's competitive 3G network (Telstra has also had PLENTY of government support in its rural phone builds!!!)

    Competition is a must! Anonymous -- 15/02/07 (in reply to #320074662)

    Spot on. Telstra's overpricing stems more from supporting internal empires and outmoded ways of working rather than the implementation of technology. And because of this a lot of smart people and good ideas within Telstra get beaten and trashed so that the old monopolistic boat doesn't get rocked.

    A visit outside Australia will scare you with just how advanced most other countries are with their telecommunications networks. As someone who has worked in these industries I can tell you that sponging leaches are rife in our uncompetitive telco industries.

    We simply pay too much for what is being offered.

    Oh dear! Ihatecorruption -- 16/02/07 (in reply to #320074674)

    A little birdie tells me their is corruption afoot by Ericsson which also inlvoves Telstra in the provision of the 3G services that live behind this NextG network. Apparently all the beans are not fully accountable/justifyable.

    HALF of it's full ADSL Anonymous -- 15/02/07 (in reply to #320074650)

    how innovative is tel$ra
    Very as they have the ablility to extend the reach of ADSL and yet they don't want to let people know about it -see link
    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=678007&p=1
    Why should they when they can con more money by pushing wireless
    Very innovative indeed

    You seem to forget... Anonymous -- 15/02/07 (in reply to #320074643)

    Optus is asking for $200m out of a possible $600m. Telstra is asking for nothing short of the whole lot. Telstra has the hide to claim that its competitors shouldn't be allowed to touch tax payer funds, yet they do exactly the same thing themselves...repeatedly.

    Aussie Rules. Anonymous -- 15/02/07 (in reply to #320074676)

    Telstra as an Australian company can justifiably be given money for investment by the Australian Government. I would not vote for any Government that gave Australian taxpayer money to a company owned by a foreign Government.

    Wake up. Anonymous -- 16/02/07 (in reply to #320074692)

    So how do you feel about the Australian company paying it's 3 american boss' huge bonus' while at the same time these boss' ditch Aussie dealers for american owned dealers ie.. Brightstar?

    Why should we be giving our tax money again to fix up the half arsed network Telstra built with our tax money in the first place?

    Buy Australian Anonymous -- 16/02/07 (in reply to #320074692)

    Buying Australian is a myth as more often the top brass convert it to Mercs or BMWs. So what's the point, unless jingoism is real Aussie culture.

    A better solution would be to free up the markets to more competition.

    Your kidding...RIGHT? Keith Styles -- 07/03/07 (in reply to #320074692)

    The company is run by Yanks for Yanks. Most of it's share portfolio is now OFF SHORE......

    Local share holdings are a joke.

    The Share registry might have lots of Aussies in it, but the big holdings aren't owned by them.

    Get over it. Buy Australian.

    re shareholdings. mike smith -- 15/03/07 (in reply to #320075853)

    Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

    The Telstra Corporation Act restricts foreign ownership in Telstra. It provides that foreign persons cannot control more than 35 percent of the non-Commonwealth owned Telstra shares and individual foreign persons cannot control more than 5 percent of them.

    This is *after* T3

    Cell breathing strikes again Anonymous -- 14/02/07

    compare the bottom of Table 2-1 and 2-2 respectively

    http://www.umtschips.com/download_library/pdf/hsdpa_downlink_wp_12-04.pdf

    Lets get up to date Anonymous -- 14/02/07 (in reply to #320074637)

    Show me a report like this that is not 3 years old and I might read it carefully. This 2004 report may as well have been written by Charles Darwin.

    Next G vs CDMA Anonymous -- 14/02/07

    I head up to site 50km sout of Port Hedland and get exactly the same coverage with my new Next G phone as with my old CDMA. Looking forward to the "extended reach" being installed in Port Hedland but not holding my breath.

    TKO Anonymous -- 14/02/07 (in reply to #320074638)

    Knock em dead Telstra show em your might.

    Overblown claims Anonymous -- 15/02/07 (in reply to #320074642)

    The problem is that a series of individual whole-system performance limits are being presented in a way that leads consumers to believe that these limits can be acheived concurrently by individual users.

    Apprently is true! William Ramsay -- 15/02/07

    Last month had a convo with a guy install this new tech, didn't make sense at the time but after reading this what he said makes since and seems true that 200k can be reached, not sure of data through put but seems cool. Lucky i just ditched my CDMA

    Tweaked HSDPA means new handset? Greg Alexander -- 15/02/07

    The extended range is great. And I don't expect a standard NextG phone to have the transmission distances touted (that's standard marketing - but any improvements are welcome.

    So the articles say the recent upgrade will require a different phone to get 14.4Mbps at close range, and that at a long distance the speeds will be slower (regular speeds). What it doesn't say is whether the long distance connections actually use a different transmission method and hence REQUIRE a new phone too for the regular speeds. Any ideas?

    maximum speed = new handset Anonymous -- 15/02/07 (in reply to #320074664)

    the 14.4 would only be reached by 14.4 capable devices and at present there are none that I have seen. The real benefit is the increased capacity and reduction in cell fading to allow people with 1.8, 3.6, 7.2 or higher being able to access the network in more areas.

    Cell fading happens on all networks and effects the usable range when the network is heavily loaded so 200km will be available normally but in really heavy periods this would decline but would still be well above traditional ranges.

    Engineered dropouts Anonymous -- 15/02/07 (in reply to #320074670)

    So as more people tune into the 200Km capable base station, those on the periphery will start dropping off.

    This doesn't seem to be that convenient for those out in the bush.

    Give me back my CDMA Anonymous -- 15/02/07

    Regional Telstra user. I got suckered into a NextG phone, and now I'm virtually isolated. I want my CDMA phone back.

    I got my CDMA back Anonymous -- 15/02/07 (in reply to #320074673)

    Data tx is one thing, but if basic phone calls become unreliable, continuous drop outs the norm, I don't want to know about nextG. It took 3 weeks, but I got a CMDA phone back, and its reliable, here in a rural but nominal 'good' next G coverage area. I recall analogue to CDMA took a while to get right, and maybe we just have to wait again.

    I got my CDMA back Anonymous -- 20/02/07 (in reply to #320074684)

    CDMA just works.
    I live in Hornsby NSW 2077 & Telstra NextG & GSM reception is crap.
    I had Orange CDMA that would roam to Telstra CDMA & it just worked. Rarely had a problem.

    Next G is a substandard network Anonymous -- 04/03/07 (in reply to #320074673)

    Almost every phone I make or receive drops out. It is very frustrating as my CDMA phone worked perfectly and my husbands GSM phone works fine around our property. I need the CDMA coverage for my work as a single response paramedic in a semi rural community and Telstra has put many lifes at risk by not assisting me. All I want is to go back to CDMA but they refuse to put me back.

    TO G OR NOT TO G peter hall -- 15/02/07

    TO G OR NOT TO G

    There has been a spate of unsolicited phone calls in the valley (Limpinwood Nth NSW) offering trials of Telstra Next G Broadband (Bigpond) wireless modems. The Limpinwood Peoples Liberation Aunty (LPLA) has done some market research on the matter and has the following to report:

    The salesperson may not have been actively masquerading as a Telstra representative but at no stage in our entire conversation did she reveal that she was acting for a private company (Mercury Blue). She enquired after our existing service, lavishly praised Telstra's Bigpond delivered over Next G and, despite our repeated advice that we could barely receive even CDMA phone coverage, offered to send a Telstra Next G Broadband modem for a 10 day free trial.

    It didn't work, we knew it wouldn't, we can't work out why we bothered to try it.

    Amusingly, when no coverage existed during the installation process, the software suggested that we may be in a reception blindspot and kindly suggested that we move to another room, as if ! another room in the township maybe ! (This advise must be a great solace to punters or small businesses with a home office.)

    LPLA Conclusions:

    If you don't get clear CDMA coverage in Limpinwood then Next G probably won't work either.

    The gadget ONLY lets you access the net through Telstra's Bigpond Network (also known as puss)

    It ONLY interfaces with your PC via USB. Totally forget about plugging it in to your home or office network router via a WAN port.

    AND, just for fun, we negotiated the menus on the help line and were advised that an unusually large number of calls were logged on the system and that the wait would be considerable.................

    This information bought to you by the LPLA via dial-up.

    Bigpond False Perception Vivek Sharma -- 15/02/07

    Hi,

    We moved from Hawthorn (VIC) to Caroline Springs (VIC) last December (2006). Caroline Springs is just 21 kms from the CBD and one of the fastest growing estates in the North West - and with a perception of quality lifestyle.

    We were shocked when we applied for ADSL at our new place. BigPond said that we could not get ADSL because although ADSL was available at our exchange (9363xxxx) our line did not meet the requirements. Whose fault is it? We placed four orders with BigPond between Dec 06 to Feb 07 and all were rejected.

    Which era are we living in? On one hand Telstra claims to be reaching to the "Next G" revolution but on the other, its existing systems are so inadequate that they cannot provide simple ADSL through an existing phone line!! To think that people have to pay a lot of money ($299) to get the new phone lines connected, to realise that those lines may not be ADSL capable is a shame.

    We feel like we have been disadvantaged by moving into our new house - and in the area. BigPond very conveniently say that their "wireless" broadband is available. But at what cost? Does it compare to ADSL? No. It is three times or more as much expensive. Then, we are told that the internet is indeed available but we are not willing to take it. How audacious.

    They should first look at fixing their existing networks and provide a satisfactory service to their customers before going any further. Hope they are listening!

    Good luck to all who could be in our situation.

    Other Options Tim Joseph -- 15/02/07 (in reply to #320074687)

    If you are having issues with Bigpond, I would suggest you have a look at whirlpool.net.au. Try the plan search and you should be able to find a Broadband ISP via wireless for around the same amount as ADSL (Chariot 512/128 for $50 for example)

    Your missing the point ! Keith Styles -- 07/03/07 (in reply to #320074688)

    Tel$tra COULD provide BB,... but wont.

    Wouldn't mind betting he's on an Estate which only has phones on RIM or Pair gain.

    I'd be insisting on those options being removed, so a copper pair is available to the subscribers home.

    Tel$tra is required to provide BB capable copper pairs to it's subscribers. NO IF's or BUT's about it.

    Load of rubbish Anonymous -- 15/02/07

    The cell, 13Klms from where I live in mountainous country has been upgraded BUT to use NextG Telstra's promises of better cover was incorrect and it is also useless compared to CDMA, I CAN USE CDMA at the moment but no NectG, I fear I will have no service when they switch of CDMA somtime in 2008 - this is just to make a simple mobile phone call nothing else!

    Really sad!

    Telstra garbage Anonymous -- 15/02/07

    I used to feel sorry for people who mindlessly believed every bit of that came out of the mouths of Telstra people. I don't any more. There is more than enough evidence everywhere you look to show that Telstra fails in every single thing they do and say and their charges are way in excess of everyone else. I worked for them for 21 years and finally walked out one day because I could no longer stand the crap and having to treat customers so badly. I remained loyal to them for another 15 odd years when I finally changed last year. Since then, I have had dozens of calls wanting me to come back. Not once has anyone at Telstra offered me a compelling deal cheaper than my current offering to entice me back. Says it all doesn't it. My advice, don't be suckered into anything Telstra says. They are desperate like Little Johnny and will say anything to get your signature on the dotted line. Nothing else matters, certainly not ethics or the truth

    Telstra Getting it right! Anonymous -- 01/03/07 (in reply to #320074706)

    I have worked for Telstra for about 4 & bit years, before and after Sol started. Since the three amigos started the culture of Telstra has significantly improved. Sol’s mandate to Team Telstra was and is “Do it once, do it right for the customer”. Most people I work with whole heartedly support his mandate, and are diligent at delivering on it.

    There is a genuine atmosphere of excitement within Telstra.

    I am fortunate enough to work across a number of internal business units where I see and feel the “Do it once, do it right for the customer” attitude at work.

    I see that our people’s desire to deliver better services our customers, both city and country, is now built and delivered. The tempo of the change is increasing.

    We are not perfect, probably never will be! But we are good and we are getting better!

    I am proud of what I do, and who I work for!

    Oops, 36% gaff! Anonymous -- 19/02/07

    Sol T quoted on TV that the range of the enhanced NextG basestations will be 160km rather than this articles 200km postulation. If you do the math, that's a 36% reduction in coverage area - which is quite significant. I think Ericsson marketting is giving him airey-fairy figures to chew on (and I thought the dot-com bust got rid of those out of touch with reality).

    However, I'm still having trouble believing that a domestic handset with it's little antenna and tiny power supply, designed for the city, by people living in a non-Australian city, by people who are unaware of what the Australian outback is, can be a fully functional handset when used in such a large distance from the basestation.

    Next G not even within 15 km of Adelaide CBD Anonymous -- 19/02/07

    Although Telstra's Next G coverage map shows decent metropolitan Adelaide coverage, I haven't been able to get coverage near the Blackwood exchange.

    Blackwood coverage Anonymous -- 21/12/07 (in reply to #320074961)

    I have heard that Next G coverage is improving. Do you get coverage now with Next G? I live in your area and am thinking of changing over.

    500km Anonymous -- 22/02/07

    I welcome and support all listed debates. On my opinion answer will be even simpler – IT WILL BE OUTRAGEOUSLY EXPENSIVE (actually it is already). Even if Telstra gets 500km coverage from the cell – is that really matters? BigT has never been competitive in the pricing and has never adopted principles to deliver price competitive products for Australians. Dinosaur behaviour and mentality still there – people buy Telstra products because they loyal to Telstra and Australia – GIVE ME YOUR MONEY!

    Next G is just advanced CDMA EricDog -- 22/02/07

    I was wondering how the next g system can be on 850MHz.. Its not, its on BTX 885 BRX 839, the same band as CDMA... I was wondering how they rolled it out so quickly, well, its just like a CDMA add-on, same frequency, just in a 9.4MHz channel, not 7.5MHz. This explains why it works "similarly" to CDMA, however, there is no way possible, in my 20 years of RF experience, that they are going to get an 884MHz phone to work over 200Km from a BTS. Its just not physically possible. Just the free-air-space loss over that distance at 884MHz with a BTS doing 25w into an 18dBi antenna doesnt make sense. I certainly hope that the pollies didnt believe the 200Km story..

    Next G - CDMA on steroids !

    Smoke and Mirrors Anonymous -- 26/02/07 (in reply to #320075177)

    NextG cost hundreds of millions of dollars to rollout. Now I'm hearing it was really just a minor upgrade to existing CDMA equipment.

    Something smells fishy, I wonder where all those millions went. Ericsson and Telstra can you please explain.

    No its not EricDog -- 22/02/07

    Sorry, but you cant go 200km on 884MHz/839MHz with a phone and its BTS..

    Free air space loss, which is how much the signal is "lost" over distance:

    32.4+20logFREQ+20logDISTANCE

    =32.4+20log884+20log200
    =32.4+20x2.946+20x2.301
    =32.4+58.92+46.01
    =137.33dB

    Now, thats a lot of loss, and then, at 200Km, we need to consider the curvature of the earth and topographical loss, add another 30dB, which makes over 165dB (gee, Im being considerate here !), they must be using transmitters that do enough power to fry your eggs for breakfast.

    Ok, lets say an "OK" signal on a phone is at -90dBm, add the 165dB of loss to the BTS, we have a BTS transmit output of +75dBm, which is about 30000 watts (yes thirty thousand watts)... yeah right, as if they will run 30000 watts on a phone tower. The other thing to consider is the path back to the BTS. Most phones only do a fraction of a watt of transmit power - how is that going to do the return path to the BTS over 200Km???? Imagine your phone having to do 30000watts to go 200Km - 1.3 seconds of talk time ! And we would need a signal of better than -90dBm to get a decent data rate.

    Sorry guys, but this one has got me, its not not not possible.

    Oh, and we havent even began to consider the latency effects at 200Km !!

    I will believe it when I see it - you show me someone standing 200Km (or 100 for that matter) away from a phone BTS making a call through that BTS and I will eat my words, otherwise, I'll keep eating chicken.

    One good thing is, if telly$tra put in more sites, it will improve the "Next CDMA" system to make it better. For now, I'll keep my trusty old nokia 6385 CDMA 2.6395G phone with its net monitor mode and good performance !

    If they bring out a Nokia "next CDMA" phone with net monitor mode, I might think about it.

    Who gives a shxt about video calls etc Stephen L -- 23/02/07

    Keep net access and phone access separate. Why is it so important to have net access on phones?

    Who cares about video calls and net browsing on a phone? Who cares about 200 wiz bang features on a phones?. I just want a phone that works to make calls and doesn't drop out. I spend most of my time in rural areas when driving than anywhere. If only they pumped the money into the actual geographical coverage and not population coverage. It's when you are in the most remote areas that you need it the most.

    I was offered a great deal to upgrade to NextG from CDMA. But the closer I looked at it the more I said NO. Telstra said it would have better coverage than CDMA and the coverage maps looked like it would. But when I spoke to a local Telstra dealer he said stick with CDMA and high gain 9db aerial and car kit. It wont get any better than that yet. I am not changing until they can prove it is better.

    The whole thing is a scam to get us all to upgrade to new phones.

    Viewbank has good NextG reception BrianC -- 04/03/07

    I live in a Melbourne outer suburb, Viewbank, and I have been using imate JASJAM on the Telstra Next G network. Call quality is great. I also set it up as a USB wireless modem for my laptop to test the download speed with the zdnet.com.au speed check and it delivers over 1 mbps consistently. Quite impressive. Overall I am very satisfy with the NextG performance.

    CDMA customers - You don't have to be forced onto Next G Anonymous -- 06/03/07

    If you look around, there are Telstra CDMA wholesalers still provisioning new postpaid CDMA activations at retail level (and cheaper) - no problems.

    You do have a CHOICE

    $1.3M per month excess usage???? Anonymous -- 09/03/07

    Telstra's new service is so amazingly fast you can download their largest plan's limit in 10 minutes.

    Based on the posted rates, it would cost A$100 month for the 1GB plan and if downloading at full tilt for the entire month at the $300/GB excess rate, it would cost A$1,399,680 per month for download fees! Please tell me my math is wrong!

    Am I the only person in the world that thinks this is ridiculous? I wonder if they would refund the cost of the card if you went over the $1.4M mark?

    I see they have just released a 3GB plan for A$199.95 a month!!! Give me a break! My US users pay US$88/mth for unlimited download, anywhere in the country and have done so for 3 years!

    "Telstra Garbage" Anonymous -- 12/03/07

    Thank God we lost you & all those just like you. Suppose you're still stuck in the mud on everything else. Truth is you have no idea what you're talking about and don't seem to mind blurting out 'facts' without knowledge. Good loss for the company - no doubt

    CDMA/NEXTG CHANGEOVER Alan Westerman -- 14/03/07 (in reply to #320076156)

    You want FACTS.Here's a FACT:The Govt says TEL$tra WILL NOT be allowed to SHUT DOWN CDMA until NEXTG is AS GOOD or dare I say BETTER.Well until they can PROVE it IS I'm keeping my CDMA,& that's another FACT.I live remote(gulf of carpentaria NT) CDMA only JUST WORKS,NEXTG , DOES NOT & that's another FACT.I should know I live here in the BUSH & NOT in THE CITY.Wasn't CDMA developed for RURAL AREA'S ,so why REPLACE it with something that DOES NOT?

    200KM? Anonymous -- 14/03/07

    I have no problem believing a base station with a tower-mounted transmitter/receiver, hanging off a healthy supply of a few kw, is capable of transmitting over 200km. But for a handheld to be able to send the signal back.... there's all sorts of atmospheric and geographic factors to take into consideration, not to mention power consumption on the device in question.

    I think Telstra are playing the old spin-game.

    next G range is rubbish Anonymous -- 01/06/07

    As an employee in a rural computer store that acts as a Telstra dealer I can tell you we are loosing a lot of business due to the lack of coverage provided by the Next G network. People are holding on tight to their old CDMA phones until they absolutely must switch over simply because they actually work.

    We have also sold a number of the Next G wireless modems only to have them returned due to poor signal strength in areas where the CDMA network works perfectly. So if I'm sorry if I am extremely cynical about Telstra's claims.

    Having The Exact Same Problem Anonymous -- 01/06/07 (in reply to #320080290)

    I also run a rural computer store that acts as a Telstra dealer , and now trying to sell NextG Mobile Phones and NextG Wireless Modems to my regional customers. The coverage maps show that voice and data reception is crap. I had a customer who purchased the NextG Wireless Modem $249.00 and had to spend another $350.00 on an external antenna, had to make two trips to get the cable length extended, only to boost the signal by 1-2 bars and he still cannot connect. He brought all the goods back to me today, I have to now sell this $249.00 Modem and $299.00 antenna to someone else who might be able to connect....

    Telstra, here I am trying to give you a good wrap and to sell your products, but you are making my life difficult at the moment because of your false advertising.

    Get this service upto scratch or forget it.......

    next G Anonymous -- 11/06/07 (in reply to #320080296)

    I too am a Telstra Dealer in semi rural Australia, over the last 3 months Next G Coverage has improved considerably. In the last month we are now getting reports of Next G out performing CDMA in about as many places as CDMA performs better than Next G.
    NextG does work differently to CDMA so in theory it can out perform CDMA coverage considerably. Give it another 6-12 months and the Next G network will out perform CDMA

    Swap the car for a pushbike anyone? Anonymous -- 14/06/07

    Well so far everyone I have talked to that have changed to the NextG from CDMA have said they have LESS range on their phones than before, Now that might be because they have gone from Nokia phones on CDMA to Sagem or Erricson or Kyocera on NextG, But it just seems that telstra are taking away the keys to my car and giving me a pushbike to use.....Give me one good reason why I should be HAPPY about that? apart from doing my bit for global warming :)

    what?? Anonymous -- 16/06/07 (in reply to #320081008)

    I work at a dealer and there ain't no Sagem Ericcson or Kyocera on next g buddy. Get your facts straight or dont bother to commment and look like a fool.
    Next G is getting better, it isn't the golden egg yet, but is performing better.
    What did all you people do in the 1980's when it was a given that you couldn't get a fixed line in remote areas? Get over it and think to your self how do people in third world countries exist without a mobile and for that fact do they even care! Gee!

    Next G is very disappointing after CDMA Anonymous -- 16/06/07

    My new Next G mobile gets absolutely no signal in several rural areas where my old CDMA worked fine. Also in my light aircraft, digital and CDMA work just about anywhere at 5000 feet, but "Next G" has little coverage even when large towns or cities are in sight. I think I was conned!!

    printing money whatever -- 26/01/08 (in reply to #320081113)

    Note the circus of the telstra shares caused..Now its the big tent circus for sure with NEXT G telstra have conned all with the printing press they now operate delivering mega dollars to feed the pockets of the liars they have behind desks ..Look at the out of date tech they use to create the carkits and garbage phones surely after all these years they would know for sure what pleases the customer and What craps them off lol

    your name said it all Anonymous -- 27/01/08 (in reply to #320094370)

    whatever

    Telstra's next G range a knockout ...."crap" Anonymous -- 28/12/07

    Next time those damn Indians ring me trying to sell me a better phone and service provider im going to say yes . Just to spite Telstra , what a pack of liars . "Coverage everywhere you need it" what crap . They should be charged with false advertising . I have a tower 15 k"s from my home , im using the "blue tick" TU500 with car kit and can't make a call . The Analogue system was great , then they scamed us into buying a new Digital phone which was useless , then they forced us to buy a new CDMA phone which was nearly equal to the Analogue now they have forced us to buy a new Next G phone which is useless again . Give me a call you Indians , but make sure you use the landline or you wont get me .

    The phones are lousy too! Anonymous -- 04/02/08

    If you use this network don't buy the Telstra branded phone - flimsy rubbish, certainly not suitable for farmers or tradespeople. You'll also find breakages are all carefully excluded in the fine print!

    Nobody cares about the bush Esteban -- 21/06/08

    ffs, when are you people going to realise that Telstra is no longer government owned and therefore doesn't care about the bush! It's unprofitable, and unprofitable means lower share dividends. I don't hear any of you farmers with shares complaining the dividends are weak!

    So what if they turn of CDMA... citizen band UHF is free, and you've all got it :P You chose your lifestyle, it didn't choose you... If you don't wish to be left behind technologically then perhaps you should consider moving to a region more suited to those ends :P

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