Telstra pays $5m FTTN bond, network details included

Telstra CEO Sol Trujillo announced this morning that the company has lodged its AU$5 million tender bond for the national fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) network.

Speaking at the Macquarie Australian Equities conference in Melbourne this morning, the telco chief told attendants that an AU$5 million bank guarantee, along with much anticipated documentation detailing Australia's network infrastructure, had been handed over to the Federal government in Canberra this morning, after Communications Minister Stephen Conroy wrote to Telstra and other carriers in February, insisting that they provide details on their network infrastructure.

The information was handed over to the government by senior Telstra executives today on the condition that it only be passed on to third parties after the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy (DBCDE) agrees to the carrier's confidentiality agreement, or when DBCDE's own confidentiality agreement is provided and agreed to by Telstra.

According to Telstra, the company sees "no reason why this cannot happen immediately".

Along with details of its physical network infrastructure, Telstra also included a mathematical costs estimation model — or TEA model &mdash for the government to issue to other tenderers.

"With the combination of the network information and the TEA model, Telstra's competitors will have access to data that is reasonably required to put together their bids," said wholesale group managing director, Kate McKenzie.

"Anyone who now spends time complaining, rather than getting on with the job, cannot be taken seriously," she said.

Telstra boss Trujillo claimed that construction of the FTTN network could end up costing as much as AU$10 billion, and said that "over time it is bigger than fixing the nation's water problem".

"Telstra's bid team is now fine-tuning the company's plans, and we look forward to the government making decisions in time to allow construction to begin by the end of the year as the Minister has stated," said Telstra's McKenzie, in a statement.

"Today's actions ... put us a step closer to starting work, and put the onus on others to quit complaining and put up their money," she said.

Today's announcement follows Optus CEO Paul O'Sullivan's claim on Monday that it would withdraw from the bid race if the official deadline for tender proposals was not extended past its 25 July cut-off, after Communications Minister Stephen Conroy declared that the government would not provide an extension for prospective bidders.

Conroy's refusal, coupled with Optus's threat to step out of the race, prompted Opposition communications spokesperson Bruce Billson, to urge the Commonwealth Auditor General to launch an investigation into the tender process for the network.

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Talkback 54 comments

  1. What a complete joke Jeremy -- 09/05/08

    "Today's actions ... put us a step closer to starting work, and put the onus on others to quit complaining and put up their money,"

    Kate sounds like a typical spokeswoman - it sounds like she is spending her own money but the reality is very different. Looks like we are gunna be stuck with paying more than $100 per month for Internet access in future.

  2. "Optus Pretenders" asdfh -- 09/05/08

    Yeh...lets see what sort of excuse "Droptus" comes up with now!!!

  3. Great news Anonymous -- 09/05/08

    Telstra has once again allowed their actions to speak for themselves. They have delivered the infrastructure information requested before anyone else, provided the financial guarantee first and even provided the DBCDE with some more food for thought without making unnecessary demands.

    Now we can sit back and wait for Optus/G9 to make a media release promising something wonderful in a couple of years. Lucky Telstra is around, if we had to wait for Optus to actualy do anything we would spend so much time reading news reports that we wouldn't notice we have no phones or other services.

    1. LOL Anonymous -- 16/05/08

      ....oh, you're not kidding...?

  4. Labor and Telstra rolling in the hay again Lord Watchdog -- 09/05/08

    It will be a case of Telstra owning a national copper network, paid for by the taxpayer and then also a national fibre network, extended to neighbourhood nodes and spliced into the copper network at strategic points, also funded at least partly by the taxpayer.

    In fact the taxpayer loses out three times even before this fiasco begins. We all paid for the network(s) to be installed, then had to pay to use the bloody things and then Telstra was privatised with the taxpayer-owned family silver being flogged off to mums and dads that live in places like Hunters Hill, Davidson and Wollahra.

    Now it is going to happen all over again though this time we'll be rorted a fourth time when Scrooge McSwan dips his hand into the Future Fund to bankroll a network that Telstra wants to own but can't be bothered paying for themselves. It would thus be stupid to assume that the Future Fund will get a proportionate return on THEIR investment as Sol will make sure Telstra does...

    1. IT'S TIME. Sydney Lawrence -- 09/05/08

      Lord Watchdog you continue with the very untruthful and self defeating disingenuous dogma that has caused your argument to be disregarded by most observers.

      The time has come for Telstra opponents to put up or shut-up. Unfortunately for them they do not have the ability to construct the network or the desire to invest the huge sums of capital required for this exercise.

      It would seem that the Australia Government would be taking a gigantic risk to allow the G8 to embark on the NFN build as in all probability to do so would end in disastrous consequence for the Australian taxpayer.

    2. I could think of better ways to spend $4.7 billion Anonymous -- 09/05/08

      I'd rather the government spend $4.7 billion of taypayer money on a giant pineapple than give it to a company that's only going to screw us over with higher pricing as they always do. The only people who'll benefit will be the Mexican bandit and his amigos. Once the deal is signed and they cash in on their bonuses they'll disappear in a flash and leave us with one gigantic mess. I vote for the pineapple.

    3. Too late Anonymous -- 09/05/08

      Too late, the stupid giant pineopel plan has already been scrapped.

    4. WTF? An Non Y Mous -- 10/05/08

      Shows the stupidity of some of the people here.

      Just because his name is not Smith or Bush he becomes a Mexican. He may have zero personality buy he is not from Mexico or Victoria, he is from the US.

      I am more then happy for that company or any other to take my $223 share of the $4.7B, this works out to be 3c per day for the 20 year life span of the infrastructure, if it will provide a 0.01% improvement in my day to day life.

    5. What would the true price be though? Anonymous -- 10/05/08

      If it were going to cost you significantly more each month to improve your day to day life by 0.01% would you still be more than happy?

      I'm for one am quite content with what I'm getting now, and if this network means I'm going to have to pay more while still retaining the same download limits then I'm not interested

    6. 3c a day? Really Anonymous -- 10/05/08

      Never thought of it that way.

      By proving the country with better data services I am sure that even if many of us didn't use (and therefore pay extra for) the FTTN network we would still benefit. More people would be willing to work from home and reduce the number of cars on the roads, video conferencing allowing doctors to resume house calls even if they are virtual. I don't care who gets it let's just make sure it is built and built soon.

    7. Benefits yes, hooray! SJT -- 11/05/08

      People are finally starting to realize the benefits of upgraded telecoms infrastructure. Hooray.

      Pity more didn't do so (or weren't gullibly hoodwinked by the hidden agenda of Telstra's leeching competitors, hiding behind the buzzword, competition) in 2005 when Telstra first offered to build and fully fund FTTN (in metro areas). Surely had Telstra been given the green light back then, rural areas would have followed? I.e. there would then have been no reason to then can OPEL, once the cities were ticked off? But now it's simply considered more prudent to build one complete network! So ironically, in a round-a-bout sort of way, those who vehemently opposed Telstra's initial FTTN proposal, may have inadvertently had a hand in helping the government's recent decision to can OPEL? So well done - lol!

      But why was Telstra's initial FTTN proposal denied? Following a typical negative campaign run by those who despise Telstra and/or who currently gain cheap access to Telstra's copper network, the ACCC vetoed Telstra's initial FTTN proposal because it was deemed too expensive! Yes great forward thinking - let's do without out because of a whopping 3c per day (according to those here) - brilliant! Had this 3 year delaying tactic not been successful, we would now be enjoying, or almost enjoying, all the technological benefits outlined above (by Anon, 3c a day really -10/5). But no...

      Strangely, even after 3 years of nothingness, what do the G9 now want? To win and get stuck into it right? Wrong. The want another 5 months of delay! So are we going to fall for it again? Looking at Anon (what would be the true price though - 10/5) where he says "I'm ok, **** you jack", the answer again is probably - yes!

    8. Telstra's history of proposals Anonymous -- 11/05/08

      I think the refusal of Telstra's previous proposals wasn't due to negative campaigning. They were declined because they were all sh*t proposals to be frank.

      1st Request: Telstra's very first proposal was a request from the government for a $4.7 billion handout, but this was rejected.

      2nd Request: Their second request was to build an FTTN in key capital cities and fund it themselves, but this was on the provision they could have the ability to charge whatever they wanted retail while completely blocking out wholesale access. That would have been a great outcome - NOT!

      3rd Request: Telstra's third request is probably the one which received the most publicity as this was on a federal election year and foghorn Phil was let out of his cage. They also had some "competition (i.e. G9)" come into the game. This time Telstra proposed to build a network in capital cities where wholesale access would be available, but the proposed access rates were never made public. The ACCC bound by a confidentiality gag has called for Telstra to release this data to the public to give everyone a true picture of what they had proposed,but naturally Telstra never did this (I wonder why?), but some rates seem to have been leaked highlighting all consumers would be paying a lot more for broadband access than today

      Today: Today Telstra is still not releasing details of the rates they propose to charge for access; however based on calculations analysts have made using the stated minimum return rate of 18%, many expect this to result in $100 or more in monthly access for a standard internet connection.

      "Competition" isn't a "buzz word" as you like to put it. It is the key word in ensuring we don't get screwed over. There's no point in having the infrastructure if it's going to hold us back for the next decade in price and download allowances.

    9. History indeed! SJT -- 11/05/08

      Thank you for such a detailed reply "anonymous". However you needn't have bothered, because whilst the proposal(s)Telstra have put forward may not have been to your liking, they were and are actual! As opposed to the G9, who are yet to prove anything (don't forget they scrapped their first wonder proposal and haven't submitted another as yet). Also all of your rhetoric doesn't change the fact that we have lost 3 years and the G9 now want yet another 5 months (so far)! So still we wait!

      Also, competition per se` is a good thing, obviously I want the best prices too. However if you don't believe the telecoms version of competition, i.e. regulated competition, as opposed to true competition, is nothing but a politically correct buzz word, then I believe you are one of the naive, gullible ones. For example, during Paul O'Sullivans (CEO of Optus) recent spiel, where he was meant to talk up the G9, but could only manage a childish rant aimed at Telstra, he only mentioned the G9 a handful of times, said the word Optus about 20 times, the dreaded T word (Telstra) over 50 times and guess which word was thrown around even more than the T word - yes competition - just under 60 times. But no it's not a buzz word, is it?

      Heres Mr. O'Sullivan's "conclusion"! Note the
      "buzz word" (oh sorry, non-buzz word) in each line, priceless! : -

      "In this talk I have shown you that:
      * Market structure is a critical determinant of COMPETITION in telecoms.
      * When it has market dominance - especially when it controls infrastructure, Telstra reacts with high prices and blocks the intended effect of regulation designed to improve COMPETITION.
      * Structural separation is a key ingredient to ensure sustainable COMPETITION and innovation in high speed broadband.
      * The NBN process announced by the government is deficient and will not deliver a COMPETITIVE market unless it is changed.
      * Optus and the G9 are ready and willing to invest to deliver a structurally separated broadband network under a fair and pro-COMPETITIVE tender process.
      And above all, I have shown you that Australia cannot take COMPETITION in Broadband for granted."

      So some 15 years or so, after Optus began cushy subsidization of Telstra, so as to give us "regulated competition" (and were given every helping hand imaginable, at Telstra"s expense to do so, which some to seem to conveniently overlook) in this speech, Paul O'Sullivan may as well simply said - like Optus before, "the G9 can't really offer you anything BUT (the buzz word) competition".

      Wow, what a mission statement and goal!

    10. SJT you seem to really love Telstra Graham -- 11/05/08

      I've noticed in many of your posts you seem to enjoy bashing Optus, but never really explain why. Then you spend the rest of your time trying to convince people how great Telstra is. Why do you go to so much effort sticking up for a company whihc uses the "premium products at premium prices" line as an excuse to rip everyone off? Quite interesting...

    11. No as usual you Hel$tra haters are wrong! SJT -- 11/05/08

      Wrong - I don't enjoy bashing Optus, I spend my time simply sticking up for Telstra in the face of imbicilic Telstra bashing comments - big difference!

      So what's your excuse for imbicilic Telstra bashing Graham? Quite interesting!

    12. SJT seems to hate free speech Lord Watchdog -- 12/05/08

      Who cares about who enjoys what SJT? The issue here is who deserves to be criticised and in this thread the gold medal goes to Telstra.

      Why? Because they are greedy bloody pigs ruled by more greedy bloody pigs.

      "I spend my time simply sticking up for Telstra in the face of imbicilic Telstra bashing comments"

      If that is your destiny then I feel so sorry for you. You'll go to your grave defending a company that simply doesn't give a stuff.

      Fact number one is that Telstra doesn't care whether you defend them any more than they care if you give them some well-earned stick.

      So do yourself a favour and use your energy on a more worthwhile purpose.

    13. Greedy bloody pigs? SJT -- 12/05/08

      Firstly, yes I enjoy answering imbicilic Telstra bashing comments. Oh look, Im actually doing it again, right now - lol!

      Instead of carrying on and crying over your well publicised IRC dispute with Telstra, why don't you actually do a little research and you will find quite the contrary to your ridiculous comments. I.e. Telstra being greedy. Here's just two to get you started!

      http://www.telstrafoundation.com.au
      http://www.childflight.com.au/html/youcanhelp.html

      FYI - and because you "can't handle the truth", from Child Flight..."OUR PRIMARY SPONSOR TELSTRA ASSURES THAT THESE SERIOUSLY ILL AND INJURED CHILDREN WILL RECEIVE THE INTENSIVE CARE ATTENTION THAT THEY REQUIRE FOR THEIR BEST CHANCE OF SURVIVAL AND RECOVERY"...

      Yes you're right your Lordship, what a terribly "greedy" bunch Telstra are - fancy helping save sick and/or possibly dying children"!

      Ta ta for now.

    14. Blah Blah Lord Watchdog -- 15/05/08

      I donate to Childflight too, and a few other worthwhile causes, but that doesn't make me Moses. The Childflight chopper also has Telstra's brand all over it too so their contribution, whilst large, is hardly munificent. It is a sponsorship (read: tax deduction) and not from the heart, no more or less than their sponsorship of the Olympic Stadium in Sydney or Docklands Stadium in Melbourne.

    15. Never any credit. SJT -- 15/05/08

      Yeah whatever Einstein!

    16. Do you mean ANZ stadium in Sydney? Anonymous -- 15/05/08

      Keeping up to date I see.

      It seems like it's true ... you can't teach an old dog anything new.

    17. What is so interesting Anna Watts -- 11/05/08

      SJT has her/his opinion
      Sydney Lawrence has his
      Lord Watchdog has his
      James Bell has his
      I assume from your tone you have an opinion Graham
      ZDNet writers have opinions
      and I have an opinion

      The way you end your comment makes it seem like you are insinuating something, from the way you have written and ended it I can only assume that your comment is making an accusation. I think your comment in itself is ... Quite interesting ...

    18. Thanks SJT -- 12/05/08

      Thanks Anna, nice commonsense response - well put!

      Funny isn't it, seems in their minds it's ok for the Hel$tra haters to say whatever they wish, factual or not. E.g. Anon /History - above, actually claiming Telstra's proposal(s) sh*t! Maybe in his/her opinion but not mine, hence my reply to him/her.

      But they don't like it when the boots on the other foot, do they?

      Cheers, SJT (he)

    19. re Telstra's history of proposals Chris Rutta -- 11/05/08

      1 and 2 are the same thing. Telstra proposed a capital city FTTN network using their own funds under the condition it would be run and managed in their own way including price setting within ACCC guidelines. This would have covered about 70% of the population, they advised the cost to reach 98% of the population would be $4.7B extra. They did not ask for this money, they simply provided the government & opposition with the deign details and the cost model.

      3 was based on a post Opel scenario and was also based on the announcements by the then opposition regarding building this network. Their information was confidential as it was based on costly research and industry knowledge that should not simply be made available to companies who would prefer to wait for handouts or be handed information rather then invest in their own research.

      The proposed solution must have had some merit as the current government, the ones that were elected by popular vote with this topic as one of their main platforms, is using much of the information to establish the tender.

      I would rather have Telstra target 18% with a 20 year commitment then G9, G8 or G1 targeting 10% with no certainty that they will not increase the price above inflation every year for the next 20 years.

      Competition is here, it has been here for close to 2 decades now. The issue is that none of the competition have wanted to invest any money into any areas where they could not get a good return, most of these will not leave the major cities and only target 25% or higher profit margins.

      The history books are normally written by the winners and from your comments you seem to think that you have won and can re-write history any way you like.

      I have faith in the intelligence of those in power today, I also believe that the majority of the country who voted for them actually have a brain and knew what they were voting for.

    20. An idea Earl Anal Probe -- 10/05/08

      Give it to Lord Watchdog, he could use it to upgrade is own internet connections that seem to change carrier every time he talks about them (can't even keep track of his own lies), upgrade his IRC network and possibly have an operation to place the eye of his **** on the top of his head that way reality will match what we already know about him.

    21. Wow... Lord Watchdog -- 12/05/08

      Jealousy is a curse Earl.

  5. Looney left. Sydney Lawrence -- 10/05/08

    If the remarks by the Telstra haters is an indication of the ability of their foreign friends to build an NBN them the sooner Senator Conroy gives Telstra the green light the better.

    1. The sooner Sydney can cash in Anonymous -- 11/05/08

      Yes Sydney, the sooner Conroy gives Telstra the green light the sooner you can cash in and move to Dubai. The Mexian bandit will also run away with his fat bonus after the deal has been signed and attempt to raze another unaware country.

    2. Dubai? Mexican? Anna Watts -- 11/05/08

      What makes you think Sydney would want to move to a place like that, I have never seen him write anything that would give anyone that impression.

      Sol is from the USA, you ignorance is astonishing. No wonder you have no courage to show your name.

    3. Mexican according to Wipedia Anonymous -- 11/05/08

      If he's not Mexican then perhaps he ought to get the Mexican flag removed from his nationality in Wikipedia. Anyway I don't care where he's from, but I'll be very shocked if he sticks around once the deal is done and he gets his bonus.

    4. And I quote from Wikipedia Anna Watts -- 11/05/08

      "Solomon Dennis "Sol" Trujillo (born November 17, 1951 in Cheyenne, Wyoming is an American businessman. He is the Chief Executive Officer of Telstra, Australia's major telecommunications company.

      Career

      Trujillo holds a Bachelor of Business degree and an MBA from the University of Wyoming . He began his business career as a business forecaster for Mountain Bell in 1975. He worked as President, chairman and CEO of U S WEST Communications, Inc. from 1995 to 2000. He served as chairman and CEO of Graviton before its closure. His next position was as CEO of Orange SA in 2003, a company on which he had been a board member since 2001. He held that position until Orange was acquired by France Telecom. He was appointed Telstra's Chief Executive Officer on 1 July 2005."

      Born in the USA and is Mexican? Possibly his ancestors were from there but then again if we look far enough back I am sure I could call you a monkey.

      Only reference to Mexico is an image of their flag.

      Once again an idiot that will rather look at pictures instead of reading the content to learn something.

    5. I can see clearly now. Sydney Lawrence -- 12/05/08

      Anna, how wonderful and encouraging to read you excellent and intelligent response to the Telstra haters.

      We must realize that no rational person would speak with such venom and hatred without financial interest. Those who so speak probably(almost certainly) have business interests that oppose Telstra. Hence their fear.

      As the tide turns against them, and their cunning regulation tricks are exposed, they become desperate and hostile. Anna did you notice that without freeload on Next G, Optus was forced to invest and compete, interesting.

      Also today's Australian Financial Review. Quote " Court cofirms anti-monopoly stance. An Indonesian court has ordered Singapore investor Tamasek Holdings and it's affiliates to sell one of two Indonesian telecoms units, upholding a ruling by the country's anti-trust bodies".

      We all know that Optus, that upholder of all virtues concerning monopolies is owned by Tamasek Holdings which in turn is owned by the Singapore Government. Food for thought.

    6. Diverting from the point James Bell -- 12/05/08

      Sydney and SJT must be happy Anna.. they've welcomed you as new member to their little club. Perhaps they now have enough numbers to consider starting those monthly Telstra fanclub meetings where everyone can sit around drinking red cordial and deluding themselves about how great Telstra is.

      Putting aside anonymous' error with Sol's nationality (despite NWAT actually referring to him as being Mexican-American, so technically he may not be wrong afterall) you divert from the point he was trying to make. If I were a betting man I'd be very surprised if Sol & sidekick Phil are still around this time next year.

    7. "Telstra Transformation" Tony -- 12/05/08

      Why would Sol leave?? Anyway the good work he has started in transforming Telstra is unstoppable.

      I am sure Mc Gauchie & Board members would like to retain him after the stirling work he has done.

      Keep up the good work!!!

    8. Good what? Lord Watchdog -- 12/05/08

      "Anyway the good work he has started in transforming Telstra is unstoppable."

      If turning a utility that provided a reasonable, maybe even good, service into a licence to print money is regarded as good work then I suppose Telstra is doing just that - good work.

    9. We just didn't qualify! SJT -- 12/05/08

      Yes, we were hoping to start a "special one (I know more than anyone else in the cosmos about telecoms)" club, but obviously there's already one and it's very exclusive - as it only has one member. Plus obviously, we didn't qualify as we are way too humble!

      To join the "special one" club, you need to be : -

      1) Conceited beyond belief.
      2) Have no commonsense.
      3) Contradict yourself - like stating that competition which is to Telstra's detriment is the be all and end all, but ask for banning of all competition when not Telstra.
      4) Totally disregard anyone else's opinions if contrary to your's.
      5) Demand proof from others but never supply it yourself.
      6) When provided with proof, simply dismiss it anyway.
      7) Be unwilling to admit, even the possibility of ever being wrong and continue to argue the same old disproved BS over and over (even when given overwhelming proof otherwise)
      8) Close-minded and pig-headed
      9) And basically, thick as 2 planks.
      10) Most importantly, you also of course need to be 100% biased against Telstra at all times and for no apparent reason.

      So I'm afraid you're still on your lonesome, James!

      As for Sol and Phil not being here next year, perhaps they are leaving on the OPEL express - lol!

    10. Still awaiting the day James Bell -- 12/05/08

      STJ,

      The day you actually provide a full and factual argument will be the day I eat my hat. You excel at leaving out important information or only providing half-truths in a desperate attempt to strengthen your statements and then try to pass them off as fact.

      If we use this very article as an example you've implied that if Telstra were to have somehow had things their way from day one then we'd all be a lot better off while deliberately omitting to mention the severe repercussions if their proposal had actually been delivered. Then you continue your typical tirade about how the ACCC (an independent body that exists to protect nobody else BUT consumers) is the devil and other parties wishing to participate in the process are simply calling for more time as a means of trickery to continue getting their "cheap" copper access (despite the ACT, the ACCC and the High Court of Australia disagreeing with you).

      If you genuinely did care about this tender achieving the best possible outcome for Australians then you would accept that $4.7billion of government funding, followed by an equally large contribution from the successful bidder(s) is something that should not be rushed under any circumstances. Now we know there are other parties out there in addition to the G9 that are considering participating in the process. By ensuring all prospective bidders have the adequate time, resources and necessary network information to prepare their bids will make the process far more competitive (dare I say it in fear of using what you label a "buzz" word) and it will place the government in a stronger negotiating position. If we have to wait a few extra months (not years) for the outcome then so be it because if Telstra are the only bidder in this process then it's going to look a lot more "hOPELess" than any other tenders you love to ridicule.

    11. And still waiting... Lord Watchdog -- 12/05/08

      "If you genuinely did care about this tender achieving the best possible outcome for Australians then you would accept that $4.7billion of government funding, followed by an equally large contribution from the successful bidder(s) is something that should not be rushed under any circumstances."

      Try telling that to Wayne Swan, who demanded that all parties interested in building the FTTN network submit their expressions of interest in five minutes flat or be left out in the cold.

      Because of this typically Labor move every customer of a future broadband network will also be left out in the cold because if Telstra is allowed to dominate in both copper and glass then the closest thing we'll ever have to real competition in the communications sector will be the artificial intelligence billowing out of the ACCC and bitching about who should own what and who should be allowed access to what will be forever an ongoing exercise.

      It's laughable that all you Telstra fanboys sit here and label all other ISPs freeloaders but when they come forward with a plan to build a competing network you shoot down the mere thought of it, claiming that Telstra is the only company equipped for the job. What a crock of s--- that is. Wake up to yourselves.

    12. We're not worthy oh royal ones- lol! SJT -- 12/05/08

      The "Special One" and the "Lord" together! We should all feel so privileged in the presence of such esteemed, self confessed royalty. Were not worthy - lol!

      No you guys don't think highly of yourselves!

      JB, the severe repercussions.? What like "actually having FTTN", as opposed to waiting infinitum, as you wish to do to save 3c per day (as claimed by others above) - lol! And..

      Only one bidder, heaven forbid - you mean like when Optus were the only bidder for the initial licence to print money, by having sudsidized leeching from Telstra? 1991/2, I believe?

      (Praise the) Lord. As for "when they put forward a plan to build a competing network" - which plan are you referring to? Optus' plan to roll out a "small" network to compete with Next G - great, this is what we need, true unregulated competition, bring it on! That's what we've been saying all along! Or are you referring to the G9's delaying plan which was canned by their own hand - lol, to continue their cosy leeching. A plan which now no longer exists until if/when they present another?

      But good news James, seems the "special one club" finally has two members!

      Gotta love it when the circus comes to town!

    13. James - You went silent Anonymous -- 12/05/08

      I noticed that you quickly ran away from another series of posts when you were proven to be wrong and now you are here persevering with your stupid attacks as always.

    14. No point flogging a dead horse James Bell -- 12/05/08

      Anonymous I don't run away from anything, but I'm sure as even Sydney and SJT will agree there comes a time when you have to let go and move on. If there's many of these posts you speak of where I haven't responded it's either because I haven't seen the post or the discussion was going nowhere.

      If there's anything you'd like me to respond to please enlighten me and I'll endeavour to do my best to address your concerns, but if I may point out I do my best to keep discussions on the topic at hand and do not believe I am largely responsible for these "stupid attacks" you speak of.

    15. The last word Lord Watchdog -- 13/05/08

      Anonymous, when someone gives in it usually means they have lost patience with the stupidity of the person they were talking to. Just because you get the last word in doesn't make you right.

      So don't go popping the champaign corks just yet squire. :-p

    16. Not quite the last word The Lord of the Rings of your Anus -- 13/05/08

      Lord and James, you seem to have plenty of vigour and venom and have been known to return for weeks to the same story but at the same time you have both been seen to run pretty quickly when your arguments are proven full of errors or are shown to be full of lies. It is not about losing patients, it is about realising you can post anything of value and running away. We are not talking about SJT, it is about several other very detailed and logical responses that you ran away from but still posted stupid comments to other people in the same story.

    17. To the anonymous person James Bell -- 14/05/08

      Whoever you or "we" supposedly are I would be very interested for you to point out examples where I'm "running away" by not responding to "detailed and logical" responses. The reason I quote you is because your opinion of "detailed and logical" is not necessarily the same as everyone else's.

      If Lord, I and others were to continue responding to every single post directed at us then some of these discussions (if you can call them that) would never end. Obviously we're not going to reply to every single post out there, but at least we've got the gonads to make ourselves identifiable rather than remaining anonymous.

      Rather than accusing us of "running away" I suggest you focus on posting your own "detailed and logical" responses.

    18. The last word Lord Watchdog -- 14/05/08

      Anus,

      I am not in the habit of telling lies and you have no basis for making that accusation.

      In reply I will simply say that you have an obvious problem with your own self-esteem. You seem to have an underlying fascination with sphincters.

      "and have been known to return for weeks to the same story"

      If those of your ilk kept your comments to the topic instead of resorting to petulantism then the final 60% of the comments in each thread would certainly be more meaningful.

  6. biggest cojones Reggie "the king" Crooner -- 12/05/08

    The amount of comments from so many members insinuating that everyone here is of little to no intellect is amazing.

    Get a grip!

    All these little personal battles... I call 2 PPV events to settle this

    SJT vs James Bell
    Sydney vs Lord Watchdog

    With who has the biggest cojones out the way we can rationally discuss the FTTN tender

    P.S I love all carriers.
    Mobile - Optus
    Landline - Telstra
    ISP - Internode

    1. Touche` SJT -- 12/05/08

      Touche` my friend.

    2. Gotta hand it to "the King" James Bell -- 12/05/08

      It's amusing to look back at the number of posts back and forth we all often end up in.

      SJT you certainly persevere.. even if you are always wrong ;)

    3. Touche` revisited! SJT -- 12/05/08

      Lol - Touche` yet again, my friend!

    4. James - You went silent Anonymous -- 12/05/08

      I noticed that you quickly ran away from another series of posts when you were proven to be wrong and now you are here persevering with your stupid attacks as always.

    5. Lol @ "The King" Brock Stevens -- 12/05/08

      Gold.

      I must say I think Sydney would have plenty of fight in him and would be in his corner.

      On another note this is way off topic.

      If Telstra can put forward a proposal that uses the least tax payer money with decent price schemes I'm all for them to build it. The sooner it is built the sooner I can utilize the benefits.

      I live in a Telstra SMART area so it should be easily intergrated into the new FTTN network I do hope.

      Its all underground cabling too so the benefit in my area would be the nature strip and roads wouldnt need to be ripped up :)

    6. Everything is GOOD. Sydney Lawrence -- 13/05/08

      To every person who contributes to this debate you are to be congratulated for, at times, fierce, enthusiastic discussion and good entertainment.

      True at times we may stray from topic but on a deeper level are making suggestions that could help with a better understanding for the future of the tele-communication system of Australia.

      It is a fact that the demise of the "Telstra die" or the "Telstra scum" sentiment is a good result of sensible debate. The bad news for the ATB is that to date we the TCS have simply been on the offensive.

      Soon we intend to go on the attack. ATB(anti-Telstra brigade). TCS (Telstra cheer squad). LOL. All keep well and in good health.

  7. To Anna Anonymous -- 21/05/08

    Did you see the expose on dear old Sol T on 4 corners I guess not otherwise the dribble you came out with would not of been written,you moron.
    Sol T drove the now known US west (it changed it name) into the same apathetic service we have with Telstra and with a UBeut salary as well.So suck eggs please.

    1. To Einstein Anonymous -- 02/06/08

      Very intelligent reply, Einstein.

      Moron, suck eggs? Your parents must be so proud of you!

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